Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

[Guest guest]

That sounds like a lovely school. That would have been wonderful for my son in junior high and high school. We didn't have anything like this, and our local junior high and high schools are very rough. He's a gentle soul. It would have been a good fit.

Hi Jen,

 

They are usually referred to as " Friends " schools.  There are probably some near you - although they are generally more prevalent around areas with a lot of Quakers - mostly PA!  I'm not a Quaker so I'm not sure about their " faith " - they are Christians but their worship services are different from what you see in other Christian chruches - they are called " Meetings for Worship " and there is a lot of silence!  No real " service " .  People speak as they feel lead to speak.  I would actually like to go to a service at some point to check it out.  It is a very introspective religion from what I can tell.

 

As far as the schools/academics.  It really isn't all that different from a traditional school - they learn the basics.  The benefits are the small classes - which allow the kids to get more individual attention and progress at their own pace.  They are also not receiving federal or state monies so they are not obligated to follow the " schedule " in terms of the " no child left behind " stuff, which in my opinion is a nice idea, but does not work in practice.   Kids are all different and will progress at different levels not on an artifiical schedule that someone sets for them (please note that I have no education experience, just talking from the top of my head!).  Tying funding to performance of students makes sense on one level (b/c you really do want the schools to do their jobs!) but not on another b/c I think what happens is they end up pushing some kids along who are not ready for the next step (which is

counterproductive) and I think there ends up being a lot of " teaching to the test " .  For instance, in the school where  is they do administer standardized testing, but it is only for " informational " internal purposes.  One interesting result is that in math calculations, the kids test " average " (on grade level) but in mathematical reasoning the 1st graders tend to score in the 4th grade range - which tells me they are teaching th kids to THINK not to memorize.  When I think of the way I learned multiplication in school it was memorization of the tables, not an understanding of why 3X3 is 9.  That came later.  Here, they seem to teach that first, and then there is no need to really memorize those darned tables!

 

  There is also a very open and accepting atmosphere and the kids are really taught to respect one another.  The atmosphere is mostly what I like (academics can be taught anywhere to some extent)- the kids there are truly all very NICE and RESPECTFUL to adults and to each other.  There is no bullying or " meaness " tolerated, which I think makes the educational experience much better.  In so many schools the academics are overshadowed by a poor atmosphere which allows intolerance of others, disrespect of others, bullying, etc. which tends to make kids hate going to school and then associate the bad experience in school to a dislike of learning.  I would really like to keep my DD there for her whole school " career " but it is pricey.  I hate the thought of her going to middle or high school with all the cliqueness/nastiness.  It was bad when I was a teenager, it is probably worse now.  I do think

she would benefit greatly though from the small classes and open atmosphere.  She has really come a long way in this school both socially and academically.  She loves school, learning and is very confident now with other kids and adults.

 

Take care!  Sorry to ramble.

Donna>Carolyn, we are dying to hear about YOUR new job! C'mon!oh!!! i dont have a new job at the moment, sorry my mentioning that was kind of vague. im thinking of applying for one (i know

the woman who does the interviewing and she said she would hire me). i just have find time to do up my resume and fill out the application, etc. another thing to procrastinate about ::sigh:: if i get something, i will let ya know,

:*carolyn.

[Guest guest]

my jordon had 2 and 1\2 yrs in preschool, loved school gotto kidergarten and suddely hated started peeing his pants suddenly just all kinds of things and after about a month i discovered it's cause he had a yeller for a teacher. the princapal (my boss) wouldn't move him said i was over reacting ect. so i thought maybe i was, 1 st grade started out bad again he got a yeller and a pregnant one at that (she a good friend of mine so i can say this she is not a good preg person she's mean) he was failing hated school she went on maternity leave he started passing and loved school she came back he hated it again the last 2 year i got to pick his teachers he's doing great and loves school. i yell teachers yell we all yell, that's not what i mean by yellers i mean YELLERS, mean cold yellers that make the kids feel like shi*, they are in every building (and yes that even more reason to have ur kids in a quaker school donna yes i

know but..) and it will only get worse as he moves from elem, to jr high to high school and i now the teachers and i truely wory about him when he gets to the high school b\c the princapal there is a DICK yes i said it he knws me well hates that i work in his district has seriously picked on my step daughter since day one and it won't get better but still i feel my kidsand others need to know NOW more then ever that this is how life is it's long, boring, sad and unfair. i pains me to see jordon sad b\c the kids wn't play with him on recess but in the end i know it is building a strong independant individual. (and now i am crying so i will end this) we can't make everyone in the world be nice and it's pointless to hide the meanness of the world from our kids.

Trisha

To: exercisevideos Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 7:34:56 AMSubject: Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

That sounds like a lovely school. That would have been wonderful for my son in junior high and high school. We didn't have anything like this, and our local junior high and high schools are very rough. He's a gentle soul. It would have been a good fit.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Donna M-P <donna112520@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Jen,

They are usually referred to as "Friends" schools. There are probably some near you - although they are generally more prevalent around areas with a lot of Quakers - mostly PA! I'm not a Quaker so I'm not sure about their "faith" - they are Christians but their worship services are different from what you see in other Christian chruches - they are called "Meetings for Worship" and there is a lot of silence! No real "service". People speak as they feel lead to speak. I would actually like to go to a service at some point to check it out. It is a very introspective religion from what I can tell.

As far as the schools/academics. It really isn't all that different from a traditional school - they learn the basics. The benefits are the small classes - which allow the kids to get more individual attention and progress at their own pace. They are also not receiving federal or state monies so they are not obligated to follow the "schedule" in terms of the "no child left behind" stuff, which in my opinion is a nice idea, but does not work in practice. Kids are all different and will progress at different levels not on an artifiical schedule that someone sets for them (please note that I have no education experience, just talking from the top of my head!). Tying funding to performance of students makes sense on one level (b/c you really do want the schools to do their jobs!) but not on another b/c I think what happens is they end up pushing some kids along who are not ready for the next step (which is

counterproductive) and I think there ends up being a lot of "teaching to the test". For instance, in the school where is they do administer standardized testing, but it is only for "informational" internal purposes. One interesting result is that in math calculations, the kids test "average" (on grade level) but in mathematical reasoning the 1st graders tend to score in the 4th grade range - which tells me they are teaching th kids to THINK not to memorize. When I think of the way I learned multiplication in school it was memorization of the tables, not an understanding of why 3X3 is 9. That came later. Here, they seem to teach that first, and then there is no need to really memorize those darned tables!

There is also a very open and accepting atmosphere and the kids are really taught to respect one another. The atmosphere is mostly what I like (academics can be taught anywhere to some extent)- the kids there are truly all very NICE and RESPECTFUL to adults and to each other. There is no bullying or "meaness" tolerated, which I think makes the educational experience much better. In so many schools the academics are overshadowed by a poor atmosphere which allows intolerance of others, disrespect of others, bullying, etc. which tends to make kids hate going to school and then associate the bad experience in school to a dislike of learning. I would really like to keep my DD there for her whole school "career" but it is pricey. I hate the thought of her going to middle or high school with all the cliqueness/nastines s. It was bad when I was a teenager, it is probably worse now. I do think

she would benefit greatly though from the small classes and open atmosphere. She has really come a long way in this school both socially and academically. She loves school, learning and is very confident now with other kids and adults.

Take care! Sorry to ramble.

Donna>Carolyn, we are dying to hear about YOUR new job! C'mon!oh!!! i dont have a new job at the moment, sorry my mentioning that was kind of vague. im thinking of applying for one (i know the woman who does the interviewing and she said she would hire me). i just have find time to do up my resume and fill out the application, etc. another thing to procrastinate about ::sigh:: if i get something, i will let ya know,:*carolyn.

[Guest guest]

I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others.  There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

My son had horrible experiences in Junior High -- a really rotten place. ...and then one day he said he wanted to die. You should have seen his face that day. It was no joke. We took him to therapy, and after several sessions, the therapist said our kid was perfectly sane, but in a very bad situation. Along with the therapist, we tried to work with his school, but they couldn't help. So, we pulled him out.

We homeschooled all through high school, and we provided many socializing opportunities through wonderful activities with other, creative, bright, and good kids through an art and film program. We used a state charter school for the home school. He met with certified teachers regularly.

He had the opportunity to heal during those years. It took a long time after the abuse he suffered. He is now an honors student in college working on his second degree. He's perfectly happy, perfectly sane, and able to cope with crappy people with grace and aplomb. He's hilarious, actually. No victim mentality.

He works, he volunteers, and he is studying psychology. I think that if you plant a seed in poor soil, you hurt its chances to thrive in the long run. If we had found one of those Friends schools nearby, I definitely would have looked closely at it.

Donna,

 

hi 1st i want to say that i commend u for ur choice to use a Quaker school, they do have tremendious scores and learning levels, when joron reached school age i check into EVERYTHING. i didn't want him to go to public schools because of the cliquiness, and the bullying and all of it the school shooting everything it was going to happen to my son. today and since day one he has been n rolled in public school. yes i love love love the idea of small classrooms more one on one time learning vs memorization.

 

please understnd that i am NOT telling u how to raise ur child, that is in NO WAY my place and i know that i am simply curious and wonder if u have thought about this

 

But if i have learned one thing as an adult its that life now as and adult is no diferent than life in JR HIGH. only more responcibilites if ur daughter never has to expirence what people are really like, to never expirence how catty teenage girls are how thugish boys are, how people bullying others, how poor, fat, other races, kids with glasses, kid with the wrong clothes, kids with out myspace, kids without cell phones, the girl with big boobs, tall guys, muscled guys, and what have u all get teased and tormented or like and pedastooled. then i fear she will struggle as an adult when she finally does see these things.

 

i never realized these things until last year when i worked with these 2 girls twins they were 16, their parents died in a car wreck and they were living with an aunt and her two kids on was the same age and the girls. she was active in everything to do with school, student councel, newspaper, yearbook, cubs, cheerleading, vollyeball, softball, u name if there is a girls team for it she does it, she is also relentlessly teased about it she's a bull dyke, a geek, a nerd, a fat girl (by no means is she she has more muscle then i have seen on a kid b4) anyway it would get bad and she never let it bother her she'd smile and nod with her teasers. whent he 2 girls came to live with her it was the 1st tie they had been outside their own private school. the 1st day both girls spend more of their day with the councelors thenin class, that 1st week they spend 3 hours day inclasses the remaining 5 five was with concelors she eventually was forced to withdraw

the girls and pay for private schooling when she couldn't afford it because not only could the girls not handle it when the kids were rude to them the girls could handle to see anyone miss treated.

 

now yes that is a wonderful, big hearted, great things for them to feel that way and if more ppl did it would prob b a better life for us all but it's not life is FULL of mean ppl, u cannot avoid them and if she does start getting used to those thruths now it could really be hard when they are out on their own.

 

again i am NOT telling u what to do with ur child(ren) i just wanted to pass this bit of info to u.

 

trish

 

Donna-MP To: exercisevideos

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 6:38:17 AMSubject: Jen OT: Quaker Schools 

Hi Jen,

 

They are usually referred to as " Friends " schools.  There are probably some near you - although they are generally more prevalent around areas with a lot of Quakers - mostly PA!  I'm not a Quaker so I'm not sure about their " faith " - they are Christians but their worship services are different from what you see in other Christian chruches - they are called " Meetings for Worship " and there is a lot of silence!  No real " service " .  People speak as they feel lead to speak.  I would actually like to go to a service at some point to check it out.  It is a very introspective religion from what I can tell......              

[Guest guest]

I have the exact thoughts as you .  Why not give them the most and best if you can?   Agree 100%.  Sawyer, my oldest son is exceptionally smart.  I was half-tempted to send him to a private school for that reason.  However, his cousins go to the school where he's at, and it's also a great public school.  Really great  I used to work there before I quit to stay home with my boys. 

Anyway, I agree totally.  There will be plenty of opportunity for them to experience the " real world " , and they are still going to have their own tough experiences as well going to a different " sheltered school " .

Darcy

 

I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others.  There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

[Guest guest]

I'm so glad you have a great school, and how cool is it that he has relatives there!! That is a joy. I'm glad for your kids, Darcy. A private school wouldn't necessarily be better. You're right about that.

My son's elementary school was fantastic. So was his preschool. The local junior high was so poorly run at the time. Such a mess. His teachers had lost control. They had given up. Did I want him to accept this as a pattern for life? Did I want him to think that his career would be like this: that he should have low expectations for other people's behavior? Was I going to tell him to suck it up and get used to it? Um, no " learned helplessness " allowed.

I wanted him to grow up knowing that there are places where people care about what they're doing, and where people have high standards and expectations for excellent performance and excellent relationships, and that you can create those environments. You can plant those seeds wherever you go.  You can do this if you have a healthy heart, mind and soul.

I also wanted him to know that you don't leave your loved ones twisting in the wind.

I have the exact thoughts as you .  Why not give them the most and best if you can?   Agree 100%.  Sawyer, my oldest son is exceptionally smart.  I was half-tempted to send him to a private school for that reason.  However, his cousins go to the school where he's at, and it's also a great public school.  Really great  I used to work there before I quit to stay home with my boys. 

Anyway, I agree totally.  There will be plenty of opportunity for them to experience the " real world " , and they are still going to have their own tough experiences as well going to a different " sheltered school " .

Darcy

 

I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others.  There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

[Guest guest]

I think the more confident a child is growing up, the more likely they are to be able to deal effectively with the "mean people" they encounter when they're older. I don't think deliberately exposing them to rotten stuff toughens them at all, it usually has the opposite effect. I don't want to shelter my kids but I also don't want to put them in situations which I don't think will be likely to benefit them just hoping it will. It is a tough call, sometimes, knowing what will benefit them and what might have less helpful effects though. Parenting... not for the weak!

[Guest guest]

That's very interesting. I thought that the Quaker religion disappeared many years ago after the pilgrims arrived.....I have heard of "The Friends" so it makes sense why I wouldn't have heard of the Quaker religion any more. Here in Michigan we have a few Montessori schools (spelled wrong I'm sure) they have a different philosophy of teaching as well but I don't know that much about it. I remember memorizing those darn multiplication tables as well which is never a good way to really "LEARN" something. I hope that you can keep in that school at least through Middle School. Jen>Carolyn, we are dying to hear about YOUR new job! C'mon!oh!!! i dont have a new job at the moment, sorry my mentioning that was kind of vague. im thinking of applying for one (i know the woman who does the interviewing and she said she would hire me). i just have find time to do up my resume and fill out the application, etc. another thing to procrastinate about ::sigh:: if i get something, i will let ya know,:*carolyn.

[Guest guest]

Trish, I disagree with you about people ALWAYS being treated badly from Junior High on because I was one of those kids that was picked on. I was the new kid at an elementary school and I was NEVER accepted not through Junior High or High School. I would have been better off in a school that was nurturing with nice kids like my former elementary school was. SURE some kids in college weren't nice to me but it wasn't as bad as when I was younger. JenSubject: Re: [Exercise

Videos] Jen OT: Quaker SchoolsTo: exercisevideos Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 8:35 PM

Donna,

hi 1st i want to say that i commend u for ur choice to use a Quaker school, they do have tremendious scores and learning levels, when joron reached school age i check into EVERYTHING. i didn't want him to go to public schools because of the cliquiness, and the bullying and all of it the school shooting everything it was going to happen to my son. today and since day one he has been n rolled in public school. yes i love love love the idea of small classrooms more one on one time learning vs memorization.

please understnd that i am NOT telling u how to raise ur child, that is in NO WAY my place and i know that i am simply curious and wonder if u have thought about this

But if i have learned one thing as an adult its that life now as and adult is no diferent than life in JR HIGH. only more responcibilites if ur daughter never has to expirence what people are really like, to never expirence how catty teenage girls are how thugish boys are, how people bullying others, how poor, fat, other races, kids with glasses, kid with the wrong clothes, kids with out myspace, kids without cell phones, the girl with big boobs, tall guys, muscled guys, and what have u all get teased and tormented or like and pedastooled. then i fear she will struggle as an adult when she finally does see these things.

i never realized these things until last year when i worked with these 2 girls twins they were 16, their parents died in a car wreck and they were living with an aunt and her two kids on was the same age and the girls. she was active in everything to do with school, student councel, newspaper, yearbook, cubs, cheerleading, vollyeball, softball, u name if there is a girls team for it she does it, she is also relentlessly teased about it she's a bull dyke, a geek, a nerd, a fat girl (by no means is she she has more muscle then i have seen on a kid b4) anyway it would get bad and she never let it bother her she'd smile and nod with her teasers. whent he 2 girls came to live with her it was the 1st tie they had been outside their own private school. the 1st day both girls spend more of their day with the councelors thenin class, that 1st week they spend 3 hours day inclasses the remaining 5 five was with concelors she eventually was forced to withdraw

the girls and pay for private schooling when she couldn't afford it because not only could the girls not handle it when the kids were rude to them the girls could handle to see anyone miss treated.

now yes that is a wonderful, big hearted, great things for them to feel that way and if more ppl did it would prob b a better life for us all but it's not life is FULL of mean ppl, u cannot avoid them and if she does start getting used to those thruths now it could really be hard when they are out on their own.

again i am NOT telling u what to do with ur child(ren) i just wanted to pass this bit of info to u.

trish

Donna-MP <donna112520@ yahoo.com>To: exercisevideos@ yahoogroups. comSent: Friday, August 7, 2009 6:38:17 AMSubject: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

Hi Jen,

They are usually referred to as "Friends" schools. There are probably some near you - although they are generally more prevalent around areas with a lot of Quakers - mostly PA! I'm not a Quaker so I'm not sure about their "faith" - they are Christians but their worship services are different from what you see in other Christian chruches - they are called "Meetings for Worship" and there is a lot of silence! No real "service". People speak as they feel lead to speak. I would actually like to go to a service at some point to check it out. It is a very introspective religion from what I can tell......

[Guest guest]

Donna M-P wrote:

>When I think of the

> way I learned multiplication in school it was memorization of the

> tables, not an understanding of why 3X3 is 9. That came later. Here,

> they seem to teach that first, and then there is no need to really

> memorize those darned tables!

hi donna - im having this problem with my 10 year old. you see,

the public school skipped him over grade 3, which seems to be the

grade that kids are learning times tables around here. (they

put him into a split 3/4 class and the teacher just taught all of

them grade 4 math... ugh!, long story... but ds didnt do so well,

even after doing the grade 4 material again the next year while

in a proper grade 4 class

he really needs to know the times tables for grade 5 (he is going

into a grade 4/5 split this year which should also help him, but

still he should know this stuff already). the thing is, i never

had luck memorizing the times tables when i was a kid and ive

tried to get ds to memorize them, but he just cant seem to do it.

im no teacher, especially when it comes to math, so im

wondering what the best way is to teach him the times tables.

maybe i should get 8 year old ds, who is going into grade 3 in

september, to teach him.... LOL. no, seriously, do you have

any ideas that might help?

:*carolyn.

[Guest guest]

That's true too, that you had choices. I think we always have some choices but I also know for some families they are terribly limited and that is heartbreaking sometimes. I get very upset with the people who have a lot more options and choose the easiest but not necessarily best way.

Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

I'm so glad you have a great school, and how cool is it that he has relatives there!! That is a joy. I'm glad for your kids, Darcy. A private school wouldn't necessarily be better. You're right about that.My son's elementary school was fantastic. So was his preschool. The local junior high was so poorly run at the time. Such a mess. His teachers had lost control. They had given up. Did I want him to accept this as a pattern for life? Did I want him to think that his career would be like this: that he should have low expectations for other people's behavior? Was I going to tell him to suck it up and get used to it? Um, no "learned helplessness" allowed. I wanted him to grow up knowing that there are places where people care about what they're doing, and where people have high standards and expectations for excellent performance and excellent relationships, and that you can create those environments. You can plant those seeds wherever you go. You can do this if you have a healthy heart, mind and soul.I also wanted him to know that you don't leave your loved ones twisting in the wind.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Darcy Ledman <exercise.junkiegmail> wrote:

I have the exact thoughts as you . Why not give them the most and best if you can? Agree 100%. Sawyer, my oldest son is exceptionally smart. I was half-tempted to send him to a private school for that reason. However, his cousins go to the school where he's at, and it's also a great public school. Really great I used to work there before I quit to stay home with my boys. Anyway, I agree totally. There will be plenty of opportunity for them to experience the "real world", and they are still going to have their own tough experiences as well going to a different "sheltered school".Darcy

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:26 PM, A. M. <plantpoweredgmail> wrote:

I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

[Guest guest]

I'm not a Mom yet, but should that day come (fingers crossed, I hope to home

school. I'm not quite sure how I would do it, as I'm also the bread-winner for

our " family " . However, in the minimum I would tutor for several hours a day as

my mother did with me. I was blessed to have received a wonderful education that

was complimented by my Mother's tutelage.

Parents these days have gotten lazy, school administrators have gotten lazy and

thus kids have gotten lazy. I can't tell you how it irks me so to see people

type online like they are texting with an old school phone. I think challenging

a child's mind and daring them to excel is more important than socialization at

school. There are so many other activities where kids can socialize ie. soccer,

martial arts, community theater.

I could go on a tirade about community involvement in schools, but I best not

;-) Plus, I'm still on a lot of pain killers!

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> I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are

enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from

others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can

provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative

years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy

people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

>

[Guest guest]

There are lots of ways to homeschool now. Some kids are naturally introverted and do fine this way. That's how it was for my son, and as a kid he thrived either in small groups, or by working alone. He has no trouble working with large groups now, BTW. He's 22 now.

Some kids are extroverted, and homeschool would be a difficult fit.  They can excel in traditional schools. You'll have to wait to see what flavor of kid you end up with! You'll do the right thing.

I'm not a Mom yet, but should that day come (fingers crossed, I hope to home school.  I'm not quite sure how I would do it, as I'm also the bread-winner for our " family " . However, in the minimum I would tutor for several hours a day as my mother did with me. I was blessed to have received a wonderful education that was complimented by my Mother's tutelage.

Parents these days have gotten lazy, school administrators have gotten lazy and thus kids have gotten lazy. I can't tell you how it irks me so to see people type online like they are texting with an old school phone. I think challenging a child's mind and daring them to excel is more important than socialization at school. There are so many other activities where kids can socialize ie. soccer, martial arts, community theater.

I could go on a tirade about community involvement in schools, but I best not ;-) Plus, I'm still on a lot of pain killers!

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>           I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others.  There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

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[Guest guest]

What has helped my son is playing math games like Timez Attack. There is a free download version & a paying version that has more features. We never got the paying version. I don't have a website, but if you search on it you should find it. We also did online flash cards too (again, I don't have the website anymore). He liked those better than the real ones. Flash cards, electronic or paper are boring but they do work. Do just 5 or 10 minutes of it every day and he will get it eventually. The kids in my son's 5th grade class were all behind on this for some reason so the teacher assigned them all to use flash cards for at least 5 minutes every night. They also, later in the year, had timed tests each week, just math facts, and they'd get practice sheets to do each night. That helped too and I'm sure you can find things like that on the internet too. It is just a matter of practice, practice. I think seeing the equation written out is a lot easier than the multiplication chart too (it was for me and anyway). Good luck!!!

Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

Donna M-P wrote:>When I think of the > way I learned multiplication in school it was memorization of the > tables, not an understanding of why 3X3 is 9. That came later. Here, > they seem to teach that first, and then there is no need to really > memorize those darned tables!hi donna - im having this problem with my 10 year old. you see, the public school skipped him over grade 3, which seems to be the grade that kids are learning times tables around here. (they put him into a split 3/4 class and the teacher just taught all of them grade 4 math... ugh!, long story... but ds didnt do so well, even after doing the grade 4 material again the next year while in a proper grade 4 class :(he really needs to know the times tables for grade 5 (he is going into a grade 4/5 split this year which should also help him, but still he should know this stuff already). the thing is, i never had luck memorizing the times tables when i was a kid and ive tried to get ds to memorize them, but he just cant seem to do it. im no teacher, especially when it comes to math, so im wondering what the best way is to teach him the times tables. maybe i should get 8 year old ds, who is going into grade 3 in september, to teach him.... LOL. no, seriously, do you have any ideas that might help?:*carolyn.

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I considered home schooling but realized early on that my son and I, especially, do not do well together on things like this. I don't think my daughter and I do either. I take to an amazing tutor who is a retired teacher from our school and she even takes her son to a tutor because she can't teach him. She made me feel so much better when she told me that. The parent-child dynamics make it much more challenging. I applaud anyone who can successfully manage that dynamic and help their child excel. I am so thankful that, so far at least, we've had excellent school experiences with all the staff and so far, he's truly been in the best place for his needs. I'm looking forward to starting middle school with him next month, I hope it goes as well as elementary school did!

Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

I'm not a Mom yet, but should that day come (fingers crossed, I hope to home school. I'm not quite sure how I would do it, as I'm also the bread-winner for our "family". However, in the minimum I would tutor for several hours a day as my mother did with me. I was blessed to have received a wonderful education that was complimented by my Mother's tutelage. Parents these days have gotten lazy, school administrators have gotten lazy and thus kids have gotten lazy. I can't tell you how it irks me so to see people type online like they are texting with an old school phone. I think challenging a child's mind and daring them to excel is more important than socialization at school. There are so many other activities where kids can socialize ie. soccer, martial arts, community theater.I could go on a tirade about community involvement in schools, but I best not ;-) Plus, I'm still on a lot of pain killers!a> > > I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.>

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I do worry about my teaching abilities. I don't want to be like some moms I know

(who shall not be named). They tended to tell their kids they were stupid when

they didn't get something right on the first try. A-hem! I aspire to be like my

own mother who made me hungry for books and look forward to math time (there

were M & Ms involved in my multiplication tables).

Just as a private school may not be better in one area than a public, you have

to analyze each child, each situation - each time. No one size fits all. I'll

see when I get there.

We are as a country falling behind in the area of education which is sad. But a

good portion of that responsibility lies with the parents who assume that kids

learn everything they should at school and don't compliment the school

curriculum with studies at home. A parent who values knowledge is the best role

model. Its nice to see so many folks on this board passionate about it. ;-)

a

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> > I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough

opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from

others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide

a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years,

they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people

just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

> >

>

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paula wrote:

"I'm not a Mom yet, but should that day come (fingers crossed, I hope to home school. I'm not quite sure how I would do it, as I'm also the bread-winner for our "family". However, in the minimum I would tutor for several hours a day as my mother did with me. I was blessed to have received a wonderful education that was complimented by my Mother's tutelage."

u are very lucky to have a well educated mom. who could teach u so much. my mom has the education of a 6th grader, and she had to wrk from dawn to after midnight some nights. i raised my brther and sister. so she could do those things for m. and i not saying this to get o poor u's i say it because like nacy has said not all parents can give their children the extra educational help their children need. luckily for my son i am well educated i work in his school i can asssist him and we spend many hours a day even on vacation learning.

the government has decided kids could memoreize faster then learn. yep that's the case it's faster this way, if they canmemorize thse fast then we can push them on to the next level and before u know it are kids are doing algrbra in 3rd grade. and yea that is exactly where i see things head, i do not agree with it but in my 5 years with just on district this is what i have learned. the kids in my school start cursive writing in 1st grade, and multiplication in 2nd. constitution studys begin in 3rd, 5th and 6th are doing algebra. everygrade in our school switches for classes even early childhood and care, k-6 all switch for math, science, history, and reading. i COMPLETELY DISAGREE with this but i feel these kids are too young for this but our score have gone up so who am i to complain. back to the point (SO SORRY i do that,)

paula wrote:

"...to see people type online like they are texting with an old school phone..." sorry i'm slow tonight spend the enitre day walkingthe fair, ugh, and i don't follow what ur saying.

paula wrote:

"I think challenging a child's mind and daring them to excel is more important than socialization at school. There are so many other activities where kids can socialize ie. soccer, martial arts, community theater."

in our school it irks me cuz they are like never allowed to talk, in the hallways we use a method call "procedure". every child in the school even EC and CARE have to walk mouthed closed one hand holding the other behind their back, faces forward, in a STRAIGHT line. if they are carrying things its held in the front close to the chest both hand holding boks and what. if the rule is broken there is NO warning they are gien what ever punishment the teacher uses and depending on how many times the rule is broken.. bodily contact is forbidden. we have no fights, kids smaking e other, tearing things in the halls the teachers display, books and boxes are not knocked out of hand. it has nearly deminished all hallway issues bt they are forced to walk like little soldiers, they are not allowed talk time in class at lunch only 15 minutes at recess 15 mins. would u like to be forbdden to talk but 15 mins a day. this policy is being adopted by many schools,

more then 100 schools from all ove te country have visited our school to se how it works among other policies and pograms we have in place.i have to say i disagree with u there because outr school and others do not allow much socializing. AND i make LESS then 13,000$ a year teaching. that money is for a family of four my husband cannot work b ut is not elegible for workmans comp or disability or social security. so i do it all there is NO extra money at all none we cannot play sports, we have NEVER been on a vacation, we couldn't evengo camping buecause we couldn't affored 30$ a day camping fees. we went to the fair because my dad got a summer bonus and sent us 100$ totake Jordon to have some fun before school starts. i do not paly for field trips b\c the princial (my boss) knws i cannot afford it and she pays she also has bought his school pictures for us a number of times and not just other

parents too. do u know what it feels like to tell ur child year after year no honey i'mm sorry there will be no new school clothed this year. no honey u can't play soccer this year either, sorry honey we can't go to the movies i do and it HURTS. so no not all children have oppertunities to socialize, around here they all cost money.

i know it sounds like i am against u all but i not really i am not i love u all u all have been great friends, and maybe i am taking this a little too hard to heart i do that to. i agree with u that in all ur situations and honestly in all of homeschool\private school families i know it seems to be best but it's not b\c the public school is bad or the kids are bullys but b\c there is more learning going on more one on one. i wish i could afford to plae jordon somewhere else but that's not realistic not to mention i have a great support group of teachers that are willing to help any child in our district. my message is it's important to remember public school are public school for a reason 73-87% of the families in a city are on soem kind of state assistance which means our public schools are LOW funded (in fact we lose care and ec next year they had to get a grant to keep it open one more year.) not all public schools are

bad, not all kids brought up in public schools are bad. we can succeed too.

i am not mad and i hope no one else is either i amin no ways trying to piss anyone of i am just asking u all to remember that not ALL public school and ps attenders are bad most of us really strive to be the best and succeed. yes there is bad but there is good too. Trisha

To: exercisevideos Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 4:52:30 PMSubject: Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

Parents these days have gotten lazy, school administrators have gotten lazy and thus kids have gotten lazy. I can't tell you how it irks me so. I think challenging a child's mind and daring them to excel is more important than socialization at school. There are so many other activities where kids can socialize ie. soccer, martial arts, community theater.I could go on a tirade about community involvement in schools, but I best not ;-) Plus, I'm still on a lot of pain killers!a> > > I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and

sane.>

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i agree 100%! that's what i am saying i guess! thank u donna!

trish

To: exercisevideos Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 6:49:37 PMSubject: Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

Hi,

Chiming in again - I don't think a private school is necessarily "better" than a public school - there are good and bad examples of each type of school! A lot depends on the school and the kid.Donna

I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

[Guest guest]

Many times parents either have to work or don't have the educational background to help their children. With the economy now days in a lot of families both parents have to work. I never remember my mom or dad helping me with homework but my mom did take me to (I forget the name of the after school program) to help with my math. They also tested my vocabulary level and I tested very high. Anyway, I'm not a parent so I can only tell you my own experiences. JenSubject: Re: Jen OT: Quaker SchoolsTo: exercisevideos Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 12:37 AM

I do worry about my teaching abilities. I don't want to be like some moms I know (who shall not be named). They tended to tell their kids they were stupid when they didn't get something right on the first try. A-hem! I aspire to be like my own mother who made me hungry for books and look forward to math time (there were M & Ms involved in my multiplication tables).

Just as a private school may not be better in one area than a public, you have to analyze each child, each situation - each time. No one size fits all. I'll see when I get there.

We are as a country falling behind in the area of education which is sad. But a good portion of that responsibility lies with the parents who assume that kids learn everything they should at school and don't compliment the school curriculum with studies at home. A parent who values knowledge is the best role model. Its nice to see so many folks on this board passionate about it. ;-)

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> > I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

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i'd like to add here, since i work t jordons school he rides to school wit me it's about a 10 min drive and we alternate spelling word practice and times facts. i pull what ever list he's working on out f his folder and we practice on the way to school, also on the way home, small trips to the store or whatever. i even let him quiz me on them soemtmes he times me on how long it takes me to spell or answer the math fact it makes it fun and it seems to work. y can also make board games really cheap using a cereal box, opened and laid flat this way it folds back up for storage, poster board, i bought a package of pizza boxes from a whole sale paper co. anything really let ur imagination flow. i have TONS of idea and games i have made for jordon and my classes and other teachers i am willing to share them if u wantjust let me know.

Trisha

To: exercisevideos Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 8:53:10 PMSubject: Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

What has helped my son is playing math games like Timez Attack. There is a free download version & a paying version that has more features. We never got the paying version. I don't have a website, but if you search on it you should find it. We also did online flash cards too (again, I don't have the website anymore). He liked those better than the real ones. Flash cards, electronic or paper are boring but they do work. Do just 5 or 10 minutes of it every day and he will get it eventually. The kids in my son's 5th grade class were all behind on this for some reason so the teacher assigned them all to use flash cards for at least 5 minutes every night. They also, later in the year, had timed tests each week, just math facts, and they'd get practice sheets to do each night. That helped too and I'm sure you can find things like that on the internet too. It is just a matter of practice, practice. I think seeing the equation

written out is a lot easier than the multiplication chart too (it was for me and anyway). Good luck!!!

Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

Donna M-P wrote:>When I think of the > way I learned multiplication in school it was memorization of the > tables, not an understanding of why 3X3 is 9. That came later. Here, > they seem to teach that first, and then there is no need to really > memorize those darned tables!hi donna - im having this problem with my 10 year old. you see, the public school skipped him over grade 3, which seems to be the grade that kids are learning times tables around here. (they put him into a split 3/4 class and the teacher just taught all of them grade 4 math... ugh!, long story... but ds didnt do so well, even after doing the grade 4 material again the next year while in a proper grade 4 class :(he really needs to know the times tables for grade 5 (he is going into a grade 4/5 split this year which should also help him, but still he should know this stuff already). the thing is, i never

had luck memorizing the times tables when i was a kid and ive tried to get ds to memorize them, but he just cant seem to do it. im no teacher, especially when it comes to math, so im wondering what the best way is to teach him the times tables. maybe i should get 8 year old ds, who is going into grade 3 in september, to teach him.... LOL. no, seriously, do you have any ideas that might help?:*carolyn.

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i knw what that's like jordon and i can spend alot of time arguing if he hears something then it most be true and sometimes w his issues (and theres alot just ask if u want to know i'll share if someone wants to know trying not ramble) it is impossible to convince him otherwise. so his teachers have to be real specific about assignments and homework or it doesn't get done. here are a couple for instance's:

* one of his cartoons said if u get wat in ur ear it gets on ur brain and u forget stuff and so he would yell at me when i got water in his ears when washing his hair.

*he heard his teacher say that cows were brown, (true) she did say they could be white and black also so when we passed a field full of white and black cows and i said look at all the cows let count them he agrued very adametly that they were not cows they were brown.

so i know the not being able to teach ur kid feeling. the hours we spend daily working are in work books and flash cards where he knows i have the answers somewhere to prove ME wrong when fit.

Trisha

To: exercisevideos Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 9:02:49 PMSubject: Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

I considered home schooling but realized early on that my son and I, especially, do not do well together on things like this. I don't think my daughter and I do either. I take to an amazing tutor who is a retired teacher from our school and she even takes her son to a tutor because she can't teach him. She made me feel so much better when she told me that. The parent-child dynamics make it much more challenging. I applaud anyone who can successfully manage that dynamic and help their child excel. I am so thankful that, so far at least, we've had excellent school experiences with all the staff and so far, he's truly been in the best place for his needs. I'm looking forward to starting middle school with him next month, I hope it goes as well as elementary school did!

Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

I'm not a Mom yet, but should that day come (fingers crossed, I hope to home school. I'm not quite sure how I would do it, as I'm also the bread-winner for our "family". However, in the minimum I would tutor for several hours a day as my mother did with me. I was blessed to have received a wonderful education that was complimented by my Mother's tutelage. Parents these days have gotten lazy, school administrators have gotten lazy and thus kids have gotten lazy. I can't tell you how it irks me so to see people type online like they are texting with an old school phone. I think challenging a child's mind and daring them to excel is more important than socialization at school. There are so many other activities where kids can socialize ie. soccer, martial arts, community theater.I could go on a tirade about community involvement in schools, but I best not ;-) Plus, I'm still on a lot of pain killers!a>

> > I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.>

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a, we homeschooled through a public charter school. My kid had to report to a teacher weekly or biweekly. I felt comfortable helping him with everything through high school except for the pre-calculus. I can do college level algebra, geometry, and statistics, but never did calculus. Thankfully, that's what his teacher was for.  You need patience, love and passion. Your child teaches you how to teach if you possess those qualities.

I do worry about my teaching abilities. I don't want to be like some moms I know (who shall not be named). They tended to tell their kids they were stupid when they didn't get something right on the first try. A-hem! I aspire to be like my own mother who made me hungry for books and look forward to math time (there were M & Ms involved in my multiplication tables).

Just as a private school may not be better in one area than a public, you have to analyze each child, each situation - each time. No one size fits all. I'll see when I get there.

We are as a country falling behind in the area of education which is sad. But a good portion of that responsibility lies with the parents who assume that kids learn everything they should at school and don't compliment the school curriculum with studies at home. A parent who values knowledge is the best role model. Its nice to see so many folks on this board passionate about it. ;-)

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You are absolutely right Trisha. Not every parent has hours to spend with their

educating their child. Its a sad fact that bills have to be paid first. And

believe me, I know that! I was more referencing the people who can spend time

with their kids, but just don't. The self-centered parent, which you are

obviously not ;-)My Mom did work full time and manage a farm, but I'm sure her

schedule would be considered light by many women today.

We all have to try our best and do our best for our kids. When we are

challenged, maybe the best lesson is to show our kids how we can rise above the

challenges life gives us..

I really initially chimed into this conversation, because the issue has been

weighing heavily on my mind as of late. Terry and I, if we are to have kids will

have to have them soon. (I turn 34 next week) Terry has severe learning

disabilities and just isn't book orientated, but he would likely be the primary

caregiver as I work 60 plus hours a week at time. So we're trying to sound out

what will work best for our family. The public schools in our area are

lackluster at best. I work for a non-profit so private school is out of the

question. Obviously we have some important decisions to make over the next few

years. Grrrr

As for your comments about money and socialization. We are in the same boat for

the most part.There are a number of community programs in SOME areas that allow

kids to participate for no fees if the parents are low income. I took part in

those when I was little. I WISH they were more common, but they tend to be up to

the generosity of individual donors. Some areas are so hard hit, well there are

no donors now.

The hall etiquette at your schools seems extremely severe. Have to agree with

that!

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> > I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough

opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from

others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide

a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years,

they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people

just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

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Tricia, I do think you're taking this too hard. I think it has been an interesting discussion.

paula wrote:

" I'm not a Mom yet, but should that day come (fingers crossed, I hope to home school. I'm not quite sure how I would do it, as I'm also the bread-winner for our " family " . However, in the minimum I would tutor for several hours a day as my mother did with me. I was blessed to have received a wonderful education that was complimented by my Mother's tutelage. "

 

 u are very lucky to have a well educated mom. who could teach u so much. my mom has the education of a 6th grader, and she had to wrk from dawn to after midnight some nights. i raised my brther and sister. so she could do those things for m. and i not saying this to get o poor u's i say it because like nacy has said not all parents can give their children the extra educational help their children need. luckily for my son i am well educated i work in his school i can asssist him and we spend many hours a day even on vacation learning.

 

the government has decided kids could memoreize faster then learn. yep that's the case it's faster this way, if they canmemorize thse fast then we can push them on to the next level and before u know it are kids are doing algrbra in 3rd grade. and yea that is exactly where i see things head, i do not agree with it but in my 5 years with just on district this is what i have learned. the kids in my school start cursive writing in 1st grade, and multiplication in 2nd. constitution studys begin in 3rd, 5th and 6th are doing algebra. everygrade in our school switches for classes even early childhood and care, k-6 all switch for math, science, history, and reading. i COMPLETELY DISAGREE with this but i feel these kids are too young for this but our score have gone up so who am i to complain. back to the point (SO SORRY i do that,)

 

paula wrote:

  " ...to see people type online like they are texting with an old school phone... " sorry i'm slow tonight spend the enitre day walkingthe fair, ugh, and i don't follow what ur saying.

 

paula wrote:

" I think challenging a child's mind and daring them to excel is more important than socialization at school. There are so many other activities where kids can socialize ie. soccer, martial arts, community theater. "

 

in our school it irks me cuz they are like never allowed to talk, in the hallways we use a method call " procedure " . every child in the school even EC and CARE have to walk mouthed closed one hand holding the other behind their back, faces forward, in a STRAIGHT line. if they are carrying things its held in the front close to the chest both hand holding boks and what. if the rule is broken there is NO warning they are gien what ever punishment the teacher uses and depending on how many times the rule is broken.. bodily contact is forbidden. we have no fights, kids smaking e other, tearing things in the halls the teachers display, books and boxes are not knocked out of hand. it has nearly deminished all hallway issues bt they are forced to walk like little soldiers, they are not allowed talk time in class at lunch only 15 minutes at recess 15 mins. would u like to be forbdden to talk but 15 mins a day. this policy is being adopted by many schools,

more then 100 schools from all ove te country have visited our school to se how it works among other policies and pograms we have in place.i have to say i disagree with u there because outr school and others do not allow much socializing. AND i make LESS then 13,000$ a year teaching. that money is for a family of four my husband cannot work b   ut is not elegible for workmans comp or disability or social security. so i do it all there is NO extra money at all none we cannot play sports, we have NEVER been on a vacation, we couldn't evengo camping buecause we couldn't affored 30$ a day camping fees. we went to the fair because my dad got a summer bonus and sent us 100$ totake Jordon to have some fun before school starts. i do not paly for field trips b\c the princial (my boss) knws i cannot afford it and she pays she also has bought his school pictures for us a number of times and not just other

parents too. do u know what it feels like to tell ur child year after year no honey i'mm sorry there will be no new school clothed this year. no honey  u can't play soccer this year either, sorry honey we can't go to the movies i do and it HURTS. so no not all children have oppertunities to socialize, around here they all cost money. 

 

i know it sounds like i am against u all but i not really i am not i love u all u all have been great friends, and maybe i am taking this a little too hard to heart i do that to. i agree with u that in all ur situations and honestly in all of homeschool\private school families i know it seems to be best but it's not b\c the public school is bad or the kids are bullys but b\c there is more learning going on more one on one. i wish i could afford to plae jordon somewhere else but that's not realistic not to mention i have a great support group of teachers that are willing to help any child in our district. my message is it's important to remember public school are public school for a reason 73-87% of the families in a city are on soem kind of state assistance which means our public schools are LOW funded (in fact we lose care and ec next year they had to get a grant to keep it open one more year.) not all public schools are

bad, not all kids brought up in public schools are bad. we can succeed too.

 

i am not mad and i hope no one else is either i amin no ways trying to piss anyone of i am just asking u all to remember that not ALL public school and ps attenders are bad most of us really strive to be the best and succeed. yes there is bad but there is good too.

 Trisha

To: exercisevideos

Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 4:52:30 PMSubject: Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

 

Parents these days have gotten lazy, school administrators have gotten lazy and thus kids have gotten lazy. I can't tell you how it irks me so. I think challenging a child's mind and daring them to excel is more important than socialization at school. There are so many other activities where kids can socialize ie. soccer, martial arts, community theater.

I could go on a tirade about community involvement in schools, but I best not ;-) Plus, I'm still on a lot of pain killers!a> > > I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and

sane.>

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I think I would have to hire somebody once we reached Algebra.;-) Too teach us

both! I have completely forgotten anything past basic algebra. But it would be

fun to learn it together. Which is in part what I am hoping for - the day we

become fellow students.

I don't even have kids yet. Stupid biological clock!

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> > can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their

> > formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope

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yes paula wrote:

"We are as a country falling behind in the area of education which is sad. But a good portion of that responsibility lies with the parents who assume that kids learn everything they should at school and don't compliment the school curriculum with studies at home. A parent who values knowledge is the best role model. Its nice to see so many folks on this board passionate about it. ;-)"

that is right and u wouldn't believe, as a parent with a generation of friends with kids in school and a teacher, how many times i have heard, "it's the teachers job to teach my johnny, she gets paid for it not me." it sickens me nd i just want to scream but i can't not at work anyway at home with friend i can and i do. it's time for our country to gow up and take responcibilites for them selves in stead of thinking it's someone elses job and we are owed something.

that is why i am going to try and starte a National Night out program n our area. i found this wesie that basically provides everything for this community wide project where families get together in an area and watch ovies, play games, whatever u plan 1 night a week or month what ever is best for the area. ther is a separate program for schools that i have to run past the principal but i'm sure she'll go for it.

trish

To: exercisevideos Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 11:37:22 PMSubject: Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

I do worry about my teaching abilities. I don't want to be like some moms I know (who shall not be named). They tended to tell their kids they were stupid when they didn't get something right on the first try. A-hem! I aspire to be like my own mother who made me hungry for books and look forward to math time (there were M & Ms involved in my multiplication tables).Just as a private school may not be better in one area than a public, you have to analyze each child, each situation - each time. No one size fits all. I'll see when I get there.We are as a country falling behind in the area of education which is sad. But a good portion of that responsibility lies with the parents who assume that kids learn everything they should at school and don't compliment the school curriculum with studies at home. A parent who values knowledge is the best role model. Its nice to see so many folks on this board passionate about it. ;-)a

> > > > > > I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS

opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.> >>