Guest guest Posted April 30, 2000 Report Share Posted April 30, 2000 That's right! Torticollis involves right SCM muscle, Chin points to LEFT shoulder, Flat spot on LEFT side of head, (That's always the baby's right and left) C./subscribe/Plagiocephaly ----- Original Message ----- From: yeeman Plagiocephalyegroups Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Torticollis Tutorial ok so chin goes away from scm problem side and the head flattens on the other side, right? -----Original Message-----From: C. <crain@...>Plagiocephaly <Plagiocephalyegroups>Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 8:49 AMSubject: Torticollis Tutorial Here's a "rerun" of a little bit of info I posted a while back concerning Torticollis. Hope it helps! I know I'm not , BUT maybe I can help. But, first you have to lay on the floor No, seriously, lay on the floor. Now clench your jaws together. Feel that rope that sticks out of your neck? That's the sternomastoid (or sternocleidomastoid) muscle. It runs from your clavicle to that bump you feel on your skull right behind your ear (the temporal mastoid process). The important thing to remember is, baby's lay down alot. (That's why you are on the floor right now Pretend you have a rubber band going from the end of your left clavicle that's closest to your sternum (or middle of your chest). The other end of the rubber band is attached to that bump right behind your left ear. Now pretend that rubber band is pulling tight. What would happen is your face turns to the right, but your head is tilted to the left. Now what side of your head is resting on the floor? The right side! You can actually feel your sternomastoid muscle stick out when you do this little excersise. I attached a couple of diagrams showing where the muscle is located and where the temporal mastoid process is. I also loaded them in the Files section if you're leary of opening email attachments. Hope this helps! It can be confusing! C./subscribe/Plagiocephaly ----- Original Message ----- From: Usamos@... Plagiocephalyegroups Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 9:35 PM Subject: Re: question We're confused!It seems more logical for the Tort to be on the same side as the flat spot !We have always assumed that the side our son always favors turning to (i.e. the one he can turn most easily towards) is the side affected by the Tort, because this is the side with the shortened SCM. Therefore, it follows that the flat spot occurs on the same side of the head as the Tort.To simplify this explanation:1. Baby has Tort affecting left SCM2. Baby favors left side most of time as this offers least resistance3. Baby develops flat spot on rear of left side of headAre we missing some technical term here?????We can't see how opposites can work! and Amos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2000 Report Share Posted April 30, 2000 ok so chin goes away from scm problem side and the head flattens on the other side, right? -----Original Message-----From: C. <crain@...>Plagiocephaly <Plagiocephalyegroups>Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 8:49 AMSubject: Torticollis Tutorial Here's a " rerun " of a little bit of info I posted a while back concerning Torticollis. Hope it helps! I know I'm not , BUT maybe I can help. But, first you have to lay on the floor No, seriously, lay on the floor. Now clench your jaws together. Feel that rope that sticks out of your neck? That's the sternomastoid (or sternocleidomastoid) muscle. It runs from your clavicle to that bump you feel on your skull right behind your ear (the temporal mastoid process). The important thing to remember is, baby's lay down alot. (That's why you are on the floor right now Pretend you have a rubber band going from the end of your left clavicle that's closest to your sternum (or middle of your chest). The other end of the rubber band is attached to that bump right behind your left ear. Now pretend that rubber band is pulling tight. What would happen is your face turns to the right, but your head is tilted to the left. Now what side of your head is resting on the floor? The right side! You can actually feel your sternomastoid muscle stick out when you do this little excersise. I attached a couple of diagrams showing where the muscle is located and where the temporal mastoid process is. I also loaded them in the Files section if you're leary of opening email attachments. Hope this helps! It can be confusing! C./subscribe/Plagiocephaly ----- Original Message ----- From: Usamos@... Plagiocephalyegroups Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 9:35 PM Subject: Re: question We're confused!It seems more logical for the Tort to be on the same side as the flat spot !We have always assumed that the side our son always favors turning to (i.e. the one he can turn most easily towards) is the side affected by the Tort, because this is the side with the shortened SCM. Therefore, it follows that the flat spot occurs on the same side of the head as the Tort.To simplify this explanation:1. Baby has Tort affecting left SCM2. Baby favors left side most of time as this offers least resistance3. Baby develops flat spot on rear of left side of headAre we missing some technical term here?????We can't see how opposites can work! and Amos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2000 Report Share Posted April 30, 2000 OK, I need to jump in here because now I'm confused and after reading posts from the past week or so I'm wondering if my son has (had, he doesn't tilt much and has range of motion now) the typical tort. His tilt was left, his chin faced the right shoulder, his flat spot is on his left in the back, left forehead is bigger, right eye and cheek are smaller, and (this is where it seems to differ from others) he culd turn his head all the way left but couldn't turn to the right. Does this sound right? Heidi --- " C. " <crain@...> wrote: > That's right! > Torticollis involves right SCM muscle, > Chin points to LEFT shoulder, > Flat spot on LEFT side of head, > > (That's always the baby's right and left) > > > C. > /subscribe/Plagiocephaly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: yeeman > Plagiocephalyegroups > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 2:04 PM > Subject: Re: Torticollis Tutorial > > > ok so chin goes away from scm problem side and the > head flattens on the other side, right? > -----Original Message----- > From: C. <crain@...> > Plagiocephaly <Plagiocephalyegroups> > Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 8:49 AM > Subject: Torticollis Tutorial > > > Here's a " rerun " of a little bit of info I > posted a while back concerning Torticollis. Hope it > helps! > > I know I'm not , BUT maybe I can help. But, > first you have to lay on the floor > > No, seriously, lay on the floor. Now clench > your jaws together. Feel that rope that sticks out > of your neck? That's the sternomastoid (or > sternocleidomastoid) muscle. It runs from your > clavicle to that bump you feel on your skull right > behind your ear (the temporal mastoid process). > > The important thing to remember is, baby's lay > down alot. (That's why you are on the floor right > now > > Pretend you have a rubber band going from the > end of your left clavicle that's closest to your > sternum (or middle of your chest). The other end of > the rubber band is attached to that bump right > behind your left ear. Now pretend that rubber band > is pulling tight. What would happen is your face > turns to the right, but your head is tilted to the > left. Now what side of your head is resting on the > floor? The right side! You can actually feel your > sternomastoid muscle stick out when you do this > little excersise. > > I attached a couple of diagrams showing where > the muscle is located and where the temporal mastoid > process is. I also loaded them in the Files section > if you're leary of opening email attachments. > > Hope this helps! It can be confusing! > > C. > /subscribe/Plagiocephaly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Usamos@... > Plagiocephalyegroups > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 9:35 PM > Subject: Re: question > > > > > We're confused! > > It seems more logical for the Tort to be on > the same side as the flat spot ! > > We have always assumed that the side our son > always favors turning to (i.e. > the one he can turn most easily towards) is > the side affected by the Tort, > because this is the side with the shortened > SCM. Therefore, it follows that > the flat spot occurs on the same side of the > head as the Tort. > > To simplify this explanation: > > 1. Baby has Tort affecting left SCM > 2. Baby favors left side most of time as this > offers least resistance > 3. Baby develops flat spot on rear of left > side of head > > Are we missing some technical term here????? > > We can't see how opposites can work! > > and Amos > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2000 Report Share Posted May 1, 2000 Heidi, now I'm confused! Your son faces the right, but can't turn to the right? I don't understand? The fact his head is flat on the back left side is unusual (given his tendency to face the right, thus putting the right side of the back of his head on the mattress more often. C./subscribe/Plagiocephaly ----- Original Message ----- From: heidi bosinger-waldron Plagiocephalyegroups Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Torticollis Tutorial OK, I need to jump in here because now I'm confusedand after reading posts from the past week or so I'mwondering if my son has (had, he doesn't tilt much andhas range of motion now) the typical tort. His tiltwas left, his chin faced the right shoulder, his flatspot is on his left in the back, left forehead isbigger, right eye and cheek are smaller, and (this iswhere it seems to differ from others) he culd turn hishead all the way left but couldn't turn to the right. Does this sound right?Heidi --- " C." <crain@...> wrote:> That's right!> Torticollis involves right SCM muscle, > Chin points to LEFT shoulder,> Flat spot on LEFT side of head,> > (That's always the baby's right and left)> > > C.> /subscribe/Plagiocephaly> ----- Original Message ----- > From: yeeman > Plagiocephalyegroups > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 2:04 PM> Subject: Re: Torticollis Tutorial> > > ok so chin goes away from scm problem side and the> head flattens on the other side, right?> -----Original Message-----> From: C. <crain@...>> Plagiocephaly <Plagiocephalyegroups>> Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 8:49 AM> Subject: Torticollis Tutorial> > > Here's a "rerun" of a little bit of info I> posted a while back concerning Torticollis. Hope it> helps!> > I know I'm not , BUT maybe I can help. But,> first you have to lay on the floor > > No, seriously, lay on the floor. Now clench> your jaws together. Feel that rope that sticks out> of your neck? That's the sternomastoid (or> sternocleidomastoid) muscle. It runs from your> clavicle to that bump you feel on your skull right> behind your ear (the temporal mastoid process). > > The important thing to remember is, baby's lay> down alot. (That's why you are on the floor right> now > > Pretend you have a rubber band going from the> end of your left clavicle that's closest to your> sternum (or middle of your chest). The other end of> the rubber band is attached to that bump right> behind your left ear. Now pretend that rubber band> is pulling tight. What would happen is your face> turns to the right, but your head is tilted to the> left. Now what side of your head is resting on the> floor? The right side! You can actually feel your> sternomastoid muscle stick out when you do this> little excersise.> > I attached a couple of diagrams showing where> the muscle is located and where the temporal mastoid> process is. I also loaded them in the Files section> if you're leary of opening email attachments.> > Hope this helps! It can be confusing!> > C.> /subscribe/Plagiocephaly> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Usamos@... > Plagiocephalyegroups > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 9:35 PM> Subject: Re: question > > > > > We're confused!> > It seems more logical for the Tort to be on> the same side as the flat spot !> > We have always assumed that the side our son> always favors turning to (i.e. > the one he can turn most easily towards) is> the side affected by the Tort, > because this is the side with the shortened> SCM. Therefore, it follows that > the flat spot occurs on the same side of the> head as the Tort.> > To simplify this explanation:> > 1. Baby has Tort affecting left SCM> 2. Baby favors left side most of time as this> offers least resistance> 3. Baby develops flat spot on rear of left> side of head> > Are we missing some technical term here?????> > We can't see how opposites can work!> > and Amos> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2000 Report Share Posted May 1, 2000 From the kids I usually see in the Craniofacial Clinic , this doesn't seem that far from " the norm " . Glad to hear the SCM has softened with therapy -- kudos to you for your diligence! Shane J s , RN Clinical Coordinator Childrens Hospital of Pittsburgh Pediatric Plastic Surgery ----- Original Message ----- From: C. Plagiocephalyegroups Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 8:40 PM Subject: Re: Torticollis Tutorial Heidi, now I'm confused! Your son faces the right, but can't turn to the right? I don't understand? The fact his head is flat on the back left side is unusual (given his tendency to face the right, thus putting the right side of the back of his head on the mattress more often. C./subscribe/Plagiocephaly ----- Original Message ----- From: heidi bosinger-waldron Plagiocephalyegroups Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Torticollis Tutorial OK, I need to jump in here because now I'm confusedand after reading posts from the past week or so I'mwondering if my son has (had, he doesn't tilt much andhas range of motion now) the typical tort. His tiltwas left, his chin faced the right shoulder, his flatspot is on his left in the back, left forehead isbigger, right eye and cheek are smaller, and (this iswhere it seems to differ from others) he culd turn hishead all the way left but couldn't turn to the right. Does this sound right?Heidi --- " C." <crain@...> wrote:> That's right!> Torticollis involves right SCM muscle, > Chin points to LEFT shoulder,> Flat spot on LEFT side of head,> > (That's always the baby's right and left)> > > C.> /subscribe/Plagiocephaly> ----- Original Message ----- > From: yeeman > Plagiocephalyegroups > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 2:04 PM> Subject: Re: Torticollis Tutorial> > > ok so chin goes away from scm problem side and the> head flattens on the other side, right?> -----Original Message-----> From: C. <crain@...>> Plagiocephaly <Plagiocephalyegroups>> Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 8:49 AM> Subject: Torticollis Tutorial> > > Here's a "rerun" of a little bit of info I> posted a while back concerning Torticollis. Hope it> helps!> > I know I'm not , BUT maybe I can help. But,> first you have to lay on the floor > > No, seriously, lay on the floor. Now clench> your jaws together. Feel that rope that sticks out> of your neck? That's the sternomastoid (or> sternocleidomastoid) muscle. It runs from your> clavicle to that bump you feel on your skull right> behind your ear (the temporal mastoid process). > > The important thing to remember is, baby's lay> down alot. (That's why you are on the floor right> now > > Pretend you have a rubber band going from the> end of your left clavicle that's closest to your> sternum (or middle of your chest). The other end of> the rubber band is attached to that bump right> behind your left ear. Now pretend that rubber band> is pulling tight. What would happen is your face> turns to the right, but your head is tilted to the> left. Now what side of your head is resting on the> floor? The right side! You can actually feel your> sternomastoid muscle stick out when you do this> little excersise.> > I attached a couple of diagrams showing where> the muscle is located and where the temporal mastoid> process is. I also loaded them in the Files section> if you're leary of opening email attachments.> > Hope this helps! It can be confusing!> > C.> /subscribe/Plagiocephaly> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Usamos@... > Plagiocephalyegroups > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 9:35 PM> Subject: Re: question > > > > > We're confused!> > It seems more logical for the Tort to be on> the same side as the flat spot !> > We have always assumed that the side our son> always favors turning to (i.e. > the one he can turn most easily towards) is> the side affected by the Tort, > because this is the side with the shortened> SCM. Therefore, it follows that > the flat spot occurs on the same side of the> head as the Tort.> > To simplify this explanation:> > 1. Baby has Tort affecting left SCM> 2. Baby favors left side most of time as this> offers least resistance> 3. Baby develops flat spot on rear of left> side of head> > Are we missing some technical term here?????> > We can't see how opposites can work!> > and Amos> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2000 Report Share Posted May 1, 2000 Hi Shane- I was just confused a bit. If the RIGHT SCM muscle is tight, forcing the head to face LEFT; wouldn't that place the LEFT side of the head toward the mattress/floor/whatever? How would a tight RIGHT SCM cause a RIGHT occipital flattening? Given your experience, I really respect your input! :) C./subscribe/Plagiocephaly ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane & Jill Plagiocephalyegroups Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Torticollis Tutorial From the kids I usually see in the Craniofacial Clinic , this doesn't seem that far from " the norm " . Glad to hear the SCM has softened with therapy -- kudos to you for your diligence! Shane J s , RN Clinical Coordinator Childrens Hospital of Pittsburgh Pediatric Plastic Surgery ----- Original Message ----- From: C. Plagiocephalyegroups Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 8:40 PM Subject: Re: Torticollis Tutorial Heidi, now I'm confused! Your son faces the right, but can't turn to the right? I don't understand? The fact his head is flat on the back left side is unusual (given his tendency to face the right, thus putting the right side of the back of his head on the mattress more often. C./subscribe/Plagiocephaly ----- Original Message ----- From: heidi bosinger-waldron Plagiocephalyegroups Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Torticollis Tutorial OK, I need to jump in here because now I'm confusedand after reading posts from the past week or so I'mwondering if my son has (had, he doesn't tilt much andhas range of motion now) the typical tort. His tiltwas left, his chin faced the right shoulder, his flatspot is on his left in the back, left forehead isbigger, right eye and cheek are smaller, and (this iswhere it seems to differ from others) he culd turn hishead all the way left but couldn't turn to the right. Does this sound right?Heidi --- " C." <crain@...> wrote:> That's right!> Torticollis involves right SCM muscle, > Chin points to LEFT shoulder,> Flat spot on LEFT side of head,> > (That's always the baby's right and left)> > > C.> /subscribe/Plagiocephaly> ----- Original Message ----- > From: yeeman > Plagiocephalyegroups > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 2:04 PM> Subject: Re: Torticollis Tutorial> > > ok so chin goes away from scm problem side and the> head flattens on the other side, right?> -----Original Message-----> From: C. <crain@...>> Plagiocephaly <Plagiocephalyegroups>> Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 8:49 AM> Subject: Torticollis Tutorial> > > Here's a "rerun" of a little bit of info I> posted a while back concerning Torticollis. Hope it> helps!> > I know I'm not , BUT maybe I can help. But,> first you have to lay on the floor > > No, seriously, lay on the floor. Now clench> your jaws together. Feel that rope that sticks out> of your neck? That's the sternomastoid (or> sternocleidomastoid) muscle. It runs from your> clavicle to that bump you feel on your skull right> behind your ear (the temporal mastoid process). > > The important thing to remember is, baby's lay> down alot. (That's why you are on the floor right> now > > Pretend you have a rubber band going from the> end of your left clavicle that's closest to your> sternum (or middle of your chest). The other end of> the rubber band is attached to that bump right> behind your left ear. Now pretend that rubber band> is pulling tight. What would happen is your face> turns to the right, but your head is tilted to the> left. Now what side of your head is resting on the> floor? The right side! You can actually feel your> sternomastoid muscle stick out when you do this> little excersise.> > I attached a couple of diagrams showing where> the muscle is located and where the temporal mastoid> process is. I also loaded them in the Files section> if you're leary of opening email attachments.> > Hope this helps! It can be confusing!> > C.> /subscribe/Plagiocephaly> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Usamos@... > Plagiocephalyegroups > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 9:35 PM> Subject: Re: question > > > > > We're confused!> > It seems more logical for the Tort to be on> the same side as the flat spot !> > We have always assumed that the side our son> always favors turning to (i.e. > the one he can turn most easily towards) is> the side affected by the Tort, > because this is the side with the shortened> SCM. Therefore, it follows that > the flat spot occurs on the same side of the> head as the Tort.> > To simplify this explanation:> > 1. Baby has Tort affecting left SCM> 2. Baby favors left side most of time as this> offers least resistance> 3. Baby develops flat spot on rear of left> side of head> > Are we missing some technical term here?????> > We can't see how opposites can work!> > and Amos> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2000 Report Share Posted May 1, 2000 , He tilts left ear to left shoulder and his chin facing the right. His face doesn't actually face the right just his chin. Sounds right so far right? But he was only able to turn to the left. He now has motion to turn to the right after going to the chiro. He could only look to the left and roll to the left for a long time. He still favors rolling that way, but it seems like the left side of body is the weak side? Sometimes when he rolls on his stomach he has a hard time pulling his left arm out from under him. I'm confused now on which neck muscle is the weak one. The one he tilts toward or the opposite? Heidi --- " C. " <crain@...> wrote: > Heidi, now I'm confused! > > Your son faces the right, but can't turn to the > right? I don't understand? The fact his head is > flat on the back left side is unusual (given his > tendency to face the right, thus putting the right > side of the back of his head on the mattress more > often. > > C. > /subscribe/Plagiocephaly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: heidi bosinger-waldron > Plagiocephalyegroups > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: Torticollis Tutorial > > > OK, I need to jump in here because now I'm > confused > and after reading posts from the past week or so > I'm > wondering if my son has (had, he doesn't tilt much > and > has range of motion now) the typical tort. His > tilt > was left, his chin faced the right shoulder, his > flat > spot is on his left in the back, left forehead is > bigger, right eye and cheek are smaller, and (this > is > where it seems to differ from others) he culd turn > his > head all the way left but couldn't turn to the > right. > Does this sound right? > > Heidi > > --- " C. " <crain@...> wrote: > > That's right! > > Torticollis involves right SCM muscle, > > Chin points to LEFT shoulder, > > Flat spot on LEFT side of head, > > > > (That's always the baby's right and left) > > > > > > C. > > /subscribe/Plagiocephaly > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: yeeman > > Plagiocephalyegroups > > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 2:04 PM > > Subject: Re: Torticollis Tutorial > > > > > > ok so chin goes away from scm problem side and > the > > head flattens on the other side, right? > > -----Original Message----- > > From: C. <crain@...> > > Plagiocephaly > <Plagiocephalyegroups> > > Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 8:49 AM > > Subject: Torticollis Tutorial > > > > > > Here's a " rerun " of a little bit of info I > > posted a while back concerning Torticollis. > Hope it > > helps! > > > > I know I'm not , BUT maybe I can help. > But, > > first you have to lay on the floor > > > > No, seriously, lay on the floor. Now clench > > your jaws together. Feel that rope that sticks > out > > of your neck? That's the sternomastoid (or > > sternocleidomastoid) muscle. It runs from your > > clavicle to that bump you feel on your skull > right > > behind your ear (the temporal mastoid process). > > > > > The important thing to remember is, baby's > lay > > down alot. (That's why you are on the floor > right > > now > > > > Pretend you have a rubber band going from > the > > end of your left clavicle that's closest to your > > sternum (or middle of your chest). The other > end of > > the rubber band is attached to that bump right > > behind your left ear. Now pretend that rubber > band > > is pulling tight. What would happen is your > face > > turns to the right, but your head is tilted to > the > > left. Now what side of your head is resting on > the > > floor? The right side! You can actually feel > your > > sternomastoid muscle stick out when you do this > > little excersise. > > > > I attached a couple of diagrams showing > where > > the muscle is located and where the temporal > mastoid > > process is. I also loaded them in the Files > section > > if you're leary of opening email attachments. > > > > Hope this helps! It can be confusing! > > > > C. > > > /subscribe/Plagiocephaly > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Usamos@... > > Plagiocephalyegroups > > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 9:35 PM > > Subject: Re: question > > > > > > > > > > We're confused! > > > > It seems more logical for the Tort to be > on > > the same side as the flat spot ! > > > > We have always assumed that the side our > son > > always favors turning to (i.e. > > the one he can turn most easily towards) > is > > the side affected by the Tort, > > because this is the side with the > shortened > > SCM. Therefore, it follows that > > the flat spot occurs on the same side of > the > > head as the Tort. > > > > To simplify this explanation: > > > > 1. Baby has Tort affecting left SCM > > 2. Baby favors left side most of time as > this > > offers least resistance > > 3. Baby develops flat spot on rear of > left > > side of head > > > > Are we missing some technical term > here????? > > > > We can't see how opposites can work! > > > > and Amos > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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