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Pam - do you think kale will grow in a container garden and is it a year

round plant or only summer into fall? Are you starting from the seeds or

small plants? I need to eat more of it myself plus I'm feeding guinea pigs

and birds! The more I can grow all this stuff myself, the better, LOL!!

From: sproutpeople [mailto:sproutpeople ] On

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Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 1:03 PM

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Subject: Re: Veganism and sprouts - a bit for n

as well

When I started my garden this year, after lying fallow last year, I had an

entire bed FULL of kale. Boy, that stuff is prolific! I was actually able

to move over 50 plants!

Pam

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Thea,

As a Master Gardener, let me jump in here. Kale is a cold season crop like

cabbage and broccoli. Yes you can grow it in continers, but you need big ones.

Kale roots actually grow quite large. You can cut leaves off, and it will keep

growing new leaves. This is called: Cut and come again. Tell me where you live

and I'll tell you when to plant, or contact the Master Gardeners in your County.

ew

RE: Growing Kale - Pam

Pam - do you think kale will grow in a container garden and is it a year

round plant or only summer into fall? Are you starting from the seeds or

small plants? I need to eat more of it myself plus I'm feeding guinea pigs

and birds! The more I can grow all this stuff myself, the better, LOL!!

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Hello ew,

 

I hope you don't mind my sending this privately, as you addressed your post to

Thea.

 

When is the kale planting time for 91942? I plan to grow heirloom, organic,

open-pollinated Siberian Kale in a grow box (either one of my Earth Boxes or one

of the City Pickers from Home Depot). I'm wondering how best to keep the

munching critters away from it. A couple of summers ago I tried collards and

every morning there were huge holes where something had had a healthy snack! I

have some Earth-Tone insecticidal soap for organic gardeing that may be used up

to day of harvest. Hoping that will do the trick.

 

Also, another question: the instructions with the City Picker said not to use

planting soil containing forest products as those don't wick well, and that's

the principle behind these boxes - wicking of the water from the bottom up

through the soil. I got a very good deal on some Miracle-Gro Organic Choice (In

California and Texas, regionally formulated from forest products, compost,

sphagnum peat, composted manure and pasteurized, pelleted poultry litter.) and

have an amendment that has worm castings plus some other things. If I mix the

two together, do you think I would get results good enough to expect a nice crop

in the growing boxes?

 

I appreciate your expert input. Feel free to re-post this on the list if you

feel it would benefit others.

 

Thanks so much!

 

Peggy

 

 

To: sproutpeople

Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:41 PM

Subject: RE: Growing Kale - Pam

 

Thea,

As a Master Gardener, let me jump in here. Kale is a cold season crop like

cabbage and broccoli. Yes you can grow it in continers, but you need big ones.

Kale roots actually grow quite large. You can cut leaves off, and it will keep

growing new leaves. This is called: Cut and come again. Tell me where you live

and I'll tell you when to plant, or contact the Master Gardeners in your County.

ew

RE: Growing Kale - Pam

Pam - do you think kale will grow in a container garden and is it a year

round plant or only summer into fall? Are you starting from the seeds or

small plants? I need to eat more of it myself plus I'm feeding guinea pigs

and birds! The more I can grow all this stuff myself, the better, LOL!!

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I see I didn't send this privately, so...

I just looked up the MiracleGro Organic Choice and it doesn't get good reviews.

Darn!

Am I correct that you have recommended Dr. Earth products? I see that I can get

that at a store only a mile from where I live.

 

Thanks again.

 

To: " sproutpeople " <sproutpeople >

Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 11:16 PM

Subject: Re: Growing Kale - Pam

 

Hello ew,

 

I hope you don't mind my sending this privately, as you addressed your post to

Thea.

 

When is the kale planting time for 91942? I plan to grow heirloom, organic,

open-pollinated Siberian Kale in a grow box (either one of my Earth Boxes or one

of the City Pickers from Home Depot). I'm wondering how best to keep the

munching critters away from it. A couple of summers ago I tried collards and

every morning there were huge holes where something had had a healthy snack! I

have some Earth-Tone insecticidal soap for organic gardeing that may be used up

to day of harvest. Hoping that will do the trick.

 

Also, another question: the instructions with the City Picker said not to use

planting soil containing forest products as those don't wick well, and that's

the principle behind these boxes - wicking of the water from the bottom up

through the soil. I got a very good deal on some Miracle-Gro Organic Choice (In

California and Texas, regionally formulated from forest products, compost,

sphagnum peat, composted manure and pasteurized, pelleted poultry litter.) and

have an amendment that has worm castings plus some other things. If I mix the

two together, do you think I would get results good enough to expect a nice crop

in the growing boxes?

 

I appreciate your expert input. Feel free to re-post this on the list if you

feel it would benefit others.

 

Thanks so much!

 

Peggy

 

 

To: sproutpeople

Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:41 PM

Subject: RE: Growing Kale - Pam

 

Thea,

As a Master Gardener, let me jump in here. Kale is a cold season crop like

cabbage and broccoli. Yes you can grow it in continers, but you need big ones.

Kale roots actually grow quite large. You can cut leaves off, and it will keep

growing new leaves. This is called: Cut and come again. Tell me where you live

and I'll tell you when to plant, or contact the Master Gardeners in your County.

ew

RE: Growing Kale - Pam

Pam - do you think kale will grow in a container garden and is it a year

round plant or only summer into fall? Are you starting from the seeds or

small plants? I need to eat more of it myself plus I'm feeding guinea pigs

and birds! The more I can grow all this stuff myself, the better, LOL!!

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I am not Pam, nor do I have the expertise of EW, but I am very enthusiastic

about kale!

Kale sprouts, raw kale, steamed kale, ANY kale!

Our flock loves it too. I put a bunch in the aviary and it is gone by the end of

the day.

I made some brown rice the other day and towards the end of the cooking time I

put a few handfuls of chopped kale into the pot.

I am planning on having kale sprouts this week too.

I am going to juice some with my apples today. It is fantastic in smoothies, a

summer staple for me.

I wish you much success with your kale crop. Enjoy!

n

Wondering why she hasn't turned green from all the kale!

Dr. Rollings

NJ Licensed Psychologist #4686

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> Pam - do you think kale will grow in a container garden and is it a year

> round plant or only summer into fall? Are you starting from the seeds or

> small plants? I need to eat more of it myself plus I'm feeding guinea pigs

> and birds! The more I can grow all this stuff myself, the better, LOL!!

>

> From: sproutpeople [mailto:sproutpeople ] On

> Behalf Of Pam Gotcher

> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 1:03 PM

> To: sproutpeople

> Subject: Re: Veganism and sprouts - a bit for n

> as well

>

> When I started my garden this year, after lying fallow last year, I had an

> entire bed FULL of kale. Boy, that stuff is prolific! I was actually able

> to move over 50 plants!

> Pam

>

>

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Hi Peggy,

Yes indeed, I am a big fan of Dr. Earth products for people who can't make

their own compost. If you have a nursery nearby that sells the product, they

will probably have a free copy of their magazine also.

Dr. Earth is not sold in big box stores. Its only sold in places where people

can tell you all about it.

ew

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I see I didn't send this privately, so...

I just looked up the MiracleGro Organic Choice and it doesn't get good reviews.

Darn!

Am I correct that you have recommended Dr. Earth products? I see that I can get

that at a store only a mile from where I live.

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I would like to throw my 2¢ in here.

I have been growing vegetables in self-watering containers for eleven years now

using the ones from Gardener's Supply. The ones I have measure 30 " X 20 " .

http://www.gardeners.com/

I have grown the following successfully; tomatoes, green beans, beets,

cucumbers, chard, lettuce and baby bok choi.

I'm living in an apartment now and have a much smaller patio so for the past

three years I have only grown cherry tomatoes (Sweet Baby Girl - Burpee) and

cucumbers (Little Leaf - ny's).

I also grow basil, dill, mint and chives in round self-watering containers that

measure 15 " in diameter.

Over the years I have found that the best soil to use (at least, for me) is

ferti-lome Ultimate Potting Mix.

Womack

> Hello ew,

>

> I hope you don't mind my sending this privately, as you addressed your post to

Thea.

>

> When is the kale planting time for 91942? I plan to grow heirloom, organic,

open-pollinated Siberian Kale in a grow box (either one of my Earth Boxes or one

of the City Pickers from Home Depot). I'm wondering how best to keep the

munching critters away from it. A couple of summers ago I tried collards and

every morning there were huge holes where something had had a healthy snack! I

have some Earth-Tone insecticidal soap for organic gardeing that may be used up

to day of harvest. Hoping that will do the trick.

>

> Also, another question: the instructions with the City Picker said not to use

planting soil containing forest products as those don't wick well, and that's

the principle behind these boxes - wicking of the water from the bottom up

through the soil. I got a very good deal on some Miracle-Gro Organic Choice (In

California and Texas, regionally formulated from forest products, compost,

sphagnum peat, composted manure and pasteurized, pelleted poultry litter.) and

have an amendment that has worm castings plus some other things. If I mix the

two together, do you think I would get results good enough to expect a nice crop

in the growing boxes?

>

> I appreciate your expert input. Feel free to re-post this on the list if you

feel it would benefit others.

>

> Thanks so much!

>

> Peggy

>

>

>

>

> To: sproutpeople

> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:41 PM

> Subject: RE: Growing Kale - Pam

>

>

> Thea,

> As a Master Gardener, let me jump in here. Kale is a cold season crop like

cabbage and broccoli. Yes you can grow it in continers, but you need big ones.

Kale roots actually grow quite large. You can cut leaves off, and it will keep

growing new leaves. This is called: Cut and come again. Tell me where you live

and I'll tell you when to plant, or contact the Master Gardeners in your County.

> ew

>

> RE: Growing Kale - Pam

>

> Pam - do you think kale will grow in a container garden and is it a year

> round plant or only summer into fall? Are you starting from the seeds or

> small plants? I need to eat more of it myself plus I'm feeding guinea pigs

> and birds! The more I can grow all this stuff myself, the better, LOL!!

>

>

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Peggy,

If I remember correctly, you area is quite hot in the summer. You are too far

from the ocean to get much of the cooling breeze. Average rain fall is about 10

inches. You can plant kale seeds towards the middle of Sept. and put in

transplants from the nursery in Oct. You should be able to continue to harvest

outer leaves through March. If you want a lot of kale, don't plant all your

seeds at once. Make smaller plantings every 6 weeks.

Cabbage moths love to lay their eggs on collards. Their larva will eat holes in

the leaves, also grasshoppers will make holes. But none of the insects that feed

on your plants will make them inedible for humans.

Forrest products on the label can mean anything that was once a tree. Whether

it was ever in a Forrest or not. During my Master Gardener training, we visited

a place where compost was made. Landscapers and city trucks brought stuff to be

shredded for compost. I saw a lot of old wooden fence pieces and a lot of horse

manure. The cheaper the bag of compost, the more of these item that are in it.

The reason that your City Picker said not to use mix with forrest products is

that wood needs nitrogen to decompose. And it robs that needed nitrogen from the

roots of your plants. After the wood has completely decomposed, the nitrogen

becomes available for the plants. That is why composting of Forrest products

should be done away from your plants.

I have not taken a look at Miracle-Gro Organic products yet. I have always been

against the use of Miracle-Gro because their products were synthetic. I guess

now they seed the writing on the well about people demanding healthier oraganic

foods. Hope this helps.

ew

Re: Growing Kale - Pam

Hello ew,

I hope you don't mind my sending this privately, as you addressed your post to

Thea.

When is the kale planting time for 91942? I plan to grow heirloom, organic,

open-pollinated Siberian Kale in a grow box (either one of my Earth Boxes or one

of the City Pickers from Home Depot). I'm wondering how best to keep the

munching critters away from it. A couple of summers ago I tried collards and

every morning there were huge holes where something had had a healthy snack! I

have some Earth-Tone insecticidal soap for organic gardeing that may be used up

to day of harvest. Hoping that will do the trick.

Also, another question: the instructions with the City Picker said not to use

planting soil containing forest products as those don't wick well, and that's

the principle behind these boxes - wicking of the water from the bottom up

through the soil. I got a very good deal on some Miracle-Gro Organic Choice (In

California and Texas, regionally formulated from forest products, compost,

sphagnum peat, composted manure and pasteurized, pelleted poultry litter.) and

have an amendment that has worm castings plus some other things. If I mix the

two together, do you think I would get results good enough to expect a nice crop

in the growing boxes?

I appreciate your expert input. Feel free to re-post this on the list if you

feel it would benefit others.

Thanks so much!

Peggy

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Kale is one of the most nutrient dense plant foods and pretty easy to grow!

We grow hydroponically and here in Florida can grow year round (under shade

in the summer). In the north, you can grow in a greenhouse type shelter.

Bugs and fungus will be kale's worst enemies---keep a good air flow to help

with both problems, but there are some good organic methods to help, too.

Any of the cabbage type plants (kale, cabbage, etc) can be used as " trap

plants " as bugs will run for them before many other varieties.

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>

>

> Pam - do you think kale will grow in a container garden and is it a year

> round plant or only summer into fall? Are you starting from the seeds or

> small plants? I need to eat more of it myself plus I'm feeding guinea pigs

> and birds! The more I can grow all this stuff myself, the better, LOL!!

>

> From: sproutpeople [mailto:sproutpeople ]

> On

> Behalf Of Pam Gotcher

> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 1:03 PM

> To: sproutpeople

> Subject: Re: Veganism and sprouts - a bit for n

> as well

>

> When I started my garden this year, after lying fallow last year, I had an

> entire bed FULL of kale. Boy, that stuff is prolific! I was actually able

> to move over 50 plants!

> Pam

>

>

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Just so you are aware, Miracle Grow organic choice is NOT organic. The poultry

liter and manure come from battery chicken farms and that is as far from organic

as you can get, since hens are fed antibiotics, growth hormones, steroids,

medications, etc. Soil is not regulated for organic labeling, so they can get

away with calling it whatever they wish-they are allowed to call it organic

simply because it contains some forest matter that may have come " from the

wild " . I have some more detailed info somewhere-as I researched this topic

heavily when I was trying to work out my own soil needs when I started gardening

years ago. Just a heads up-I really despise when we are so easily duped by

companies-pay more for a product that is EXACTLY the same as its off labeled

counterpart (am hunting for my soapbox-can't remember where I stored the darn

thing, but this issue is worth dragging it out for)

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Thanks for that ,

LA County Master Gardeners are very much against all Miracle Gro products.

ew

Re: Growing Kale - Pam

Just so you are aware, Miracle Grow organic choice is NOT organic. The poultry

liter and manure come from battery chicken farms and that is as far from organic

as you can get, since hens are fed antibiotics, growth hormones, steroids,

medications, etc. Soil is not regulated for organic labeling, so they can get

away with calling it whatever they wish-they are allowed to call it organic

simply because it contains some forest matter that may have come " from the

wild " . I have some more detailed info somewhere-as I researched this topic

heavily when I was trying to work out my own soil needs when I started gardening

years ago. Just a heads up-I really despise when we are so easily duped by

companies-pay more for a product that is EXACTLY the same as its off labeled

counterpart (am hunting for my soapbox-can't remember where I stored the darn

thing, but this issue is worth dragging it out for)

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This is good info. I'll revisit it later on when I'm not at work. I really

would like to be successful at container gardening all year round. My first try

has resulted in wimpy, non-producing plants so I know they're not getting the

TLC they need. I'm a bad plant mom, LOL! I don't think I started with the best

soil (it is gardening soil though) and probably need to fertilize them too. Ack

- time is at such a premium, but I'm determined to make a successful go of it!!!

Thea

---- Womack wrote:

> I would like to throw my 2¢ in here.

> I have been growing vegetables in self-watering containers for eleven years

now using the ones from Gardener's Supply. The ones I have measure 30 " X 20 " .

> http://www.gardeners.com/

> I have grown the following successfully; tomatoes, green beans, beets,

cucumbers, chard, lettuce and baby bok choi.

>

> I'm living in an apartment now and have a much smaller patio so for the past

three years I have only grown cherry tomatoes (Sweet Baby Girl - Burpee) and

cucumbers (Little Leaf - ny's).

> I also grow basil, dill, mint and chives in round self-watering containers

that measure 15 " in diameter.

> Over the years I have found that the best soil to use (at least, for me) is

ferti-lome Ultimate Potting Mix.

> Womack

>

>

>

>

>

> > Hello ew,

> >

> > I hope you don't mind my sending this privately, as you addressed your post

to Thea.

> >

> > When is the kale planting time for 91942? I plan to grow heirloom, organic,

open-pollinated Siberian Kale in a grow box (either one of my Earth Boxes or one

of the City Pickers from Home Depot). I'm wondering how best to keep the

munching critters away from it. A couple of summers ago I tried collards and

every morning there were huge holes where something had had a healthy snack! I

have some Earth-Tone insecticidal soap for organic gardeing that may be used up

to day of harvest. Hoping that will do the trick.

> >

> > Also, another question: the instructions with the City Picker said not to

use planting soil containing forest products as those don't wick well, and

that's the principle behind these boxes - wicking of the water from the bottom

up through the soil. I got a very good deal on some Miracle-Gro Organic Choice

(In California and Texas, regionally formulated from forest products, compost,

sphagnum peat, composted manure and pasteurized, pelleted poultry litter.) and

have an amendment that has worm castings plus some other things. If I mix the

two together, do you think I would get results good enough to expect a nice crop

in the growing boxes?

> >

> > I appreciate your expert input. Feel free to re-post this on the list if you

feel it would benefit others.

> >

> > Thanks so much!

> >

> > Peggy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To: sproutpeople

> > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:41 PM

> > Subject: RE: Growing Kale - Pam

> >

> >

> > Thea,

> > As a Master Gardener, let me jump in here. Kale is a cold season crop like

cabbage and broccoli. Yes you can grow it in continers, but you need big ones.

Kale roots actually grow quite large. You can cut leaves off, and it will keep

growing new leaves. This is called: Cut and come again. Tell me where you live

and I'll tell you when to plant, or contact the Master Gardeners in your County.

> > ew

> >

> > RE: Growing Kale - Pam

> >

> > Pam - do you think kale will grow in a container garden and is it a year

> > round plant or only summer into fall? Are you starting from the seeds or

> > small plants? I need to eat more of it myself plus I'm feeding guinea pigs

> > and birds! The more I can grow all this stuff myself, the better, LOL!!

> >

> >

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Thank you for this information, ew. You are correct that our area gets pretty

hot in summer. However, we are on top of a hill and our backyard looks out on a

view to the ocean (about 12 miles west). There is nothing to impede the breeze,

and sometimes it gets quite breezy! The only time that is a problem is during

our infamous " Santa Ana " winds. Those will dry out anything in an afternoon.

 

I plan to check out the Dr. Earth products and will purchase if not too pricey.

I don't have a green thumb, but I keep trying, and your expertise is so welcome

and appreciated.

 

Thanks for your wisdom!

 

Peggy

 

You should see the lemon cucumber I planted in my Aerogarden on June 8. It is

already 4 " tall with 4 sets of true leaves! That's why I need to get the grow

boxes set up - I'll need to transplant the cukes soon.

To: sproutpeople

Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:22 AM

Subject: Re: Growing Kale - Pam

 

Peggy,

If I remember correctly, you area is quite hot in the summer. You are too far

from the ocean to get much of the cooling breeze. Average rain fall is about 10

inches. You can plant kale seeds towards the middle of Sept. and put in

transplants from the nursery in Oct. You should be able to continue to harvest

outer leaves through March. If you want a lot of kale, don't plant all your

seeds at once. Make smaller plantings every 6 weeks.

Cabbage moths love to lay their eggs on collards. Their larva will eat holes in

the leaves, also grasshoppers will make holes. But none of the insects that feed

on your plants will make them inedible for humans.

Forrest products on the label can mean anything that was once a tree. Whether it

was ever in a Forrest or not. During my Master Gardener training, we visited a

place where compost was made. Landscapers and city trucks brought stuff to be

shredded for compost. I saw a lot of old wooden fence pieces and a lot of horse

manure. The cheaper the bag of compost, the more of these item that are in it.

The reason that your City Picker said not to use mix with forrest products is

that wood needs nitrogen to decompose. And it robs that needed nitrogen from the

roots of your plants. After the wood has completely decomposed, the nitrogen

becomes available for the plants. That is why composting of Forrest products

should be done away from your plants.

I have not taken a look at Miracle-Gro Organic products yet. I have always been

against the use of Miracle-Gro because their products were synthetic. I guess

now they seed the writing on the well about people demanding healthier oraganic

foods. Hope this helps.

ew

Re: Growing Kale - Pam

Hello ew,

I hope you don't mind my sending this privately, as you addressed your post to

Thea.

When is the kale planting time for 91942? I plan to grow heirloom, organic,

open-pollinated Siberian Kale in a grow box (either one of my Earth Boxes or one

of the City Pickers from Home Depot). I'm wondering how best to keep the

munching critters away from it. A couple of summers ago I tried collards and

every morning there were huge holes where something had had a healthy snack! I

have some Earth-Tone insecticidal soap for organic gardeing that may be used up

to day of harvest. Hoping that will do the trick.

Also, another question: the instructions with the City Picker said not to use

planting soil containing forest products as those don't wick well, and that's

the principle behind these boxes - wicking of the water from the bottom up

through the soil. I got a very good deal on some Miracle-Gro Organic Choice (In

California and Texas, regionally formulated from forest products, compost,

sphagnum peat, composted manure and pasteurized, pelleted poultry litter.) and

have an amendment that has worm castings plus some other things. If I mix the

two together, do you think I would get results good enough to expect a nice crop

in the growing boxes?

I appreciate your expert input. Feel free to re-post this on the list if you

feel it would benefit others.

Thanks so much!

Peggy

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Thanks for that info, . I believe I purchased my Earth boxes from

Gardener's supply some years ago. The 20x30 " size sounds about right. Do you get

the ferti-lome potting mix from Gardener's Supply, too? I always get their

catalog and love drooling my way through it!

 

Peggy

 

 

To: sproutpeople

Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 6:53 AM

Subject: Re: Growing Kale - Pam

I would like to throw my 2¢ in here.

I have been growing vegetables in self-watering containers for eleven years now

using the ones from Gardener's Supply. The ones I have measure 30 " X 20 " .

http://www.gardeners.com/

I have grown the following successfully; tomatoes, green beans, beets,

cucumbers, chard, lettuce and baby bok choi.

I'm living in an apartment now and have a much smaller patio so for the past

three years I have only grown cherry tomatoes (Sweet Baby Girl - Burpee) and

cucumbers (Little Leaf - ny's).

I also grow basil, dill, mint and chives in round self-watering containers that

measure 15 " in diameter.

Over the years I have found that the best soil to use (at least, for me) is

ferti-lome Ultimate Potting Mix.

Womack

> Hello ew,

> I hope you don't mind my sending this privately, as you addressed your post to

Thea.

> When is the kale planting time for 91942? I plan to grow heirloom, organic,

open-pollinated Siberian Kale in a grow box (either one of my Earth Boxes or one

of the City Pickers from Home Depot). I'm wondering how best to keep the

munching critters away from it. A couple of summers ago I tried collards and

every morning there were huge holes where something had had a healthy snack! I

have some Earth-Tone insecticidal soap for organic gardeing that may be used up

to day of harvest. Hoping that will do the trick.

> Also, another question: the instructions with the City Picker said not to use

planting soil containing forest products as those don't wick well, and that's

the principle behind these boxes - wicking of the water from the bottom up

through the soil. I got a very good deal on some Miracle-Gro Organic Choice (In

California and Texas, regionally formulated from forest products, compost,

sphagnum peat, composted manure and pasteurized, pelleted poultry litter.) and

have an amendment that has worm castings plus some other things. If I mix the

two together, do you think I would get results good enough to expect a nice crop

in the growing boxes?

> I appreciate your expert input. Feel free to re-post this on the list if you

feel it would benefit others.

> Thanks so much!

> Peggy

>

>

> To: sproutpeople

> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:41 PM

> Subject: RE: Growing Kale - Pam

>

> Thea,

> As a Master Gardener, let me jump in here. Kale is a cold season crop like

cabbage and broccoli. Yes you can grow it in continers, but you need big ones.

Kale roots actually grow quite large. You can cut leaves off, and it will keep

growing new leaves. This is called: Cut and come again. Tell me where you live

and I'll tell you when to plant, or contact the Master Gardeners in your County.

> ew

>

> RE: Growing Kale - Pam

>

> Pam - do you think kale will grow in a container garden and is it a year

> round plant or only summer into fall? Are you starting from the seeds or

> small plants? I need to eat more of it myself plus I'm feeding guinea pigs

> and birds! The more I can grow all this stuff myself, the better, LOL!!

>

>

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Thank you and EW. I read the label on a miracle gro organic soil bag

while shopping for soil for my sunnies and wheatgrass.

I saw poultry litter in the contents and put it right back.

Glad I did the right thing

:) n

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wrote:

> Thanks for that ,

> LA County Master Gardeners are very much against all Miracle Gro products.

> ew

>

> Re: Growing Kale - Pam

>

> Just so you are aware, Miracle Grow organic choice is NOT organic. The poultry

liter and manure come from battery chicken farms and that is as far from organic

as you can get, since hens are fed antibiotics, growth hormones, steroids,

medications, etc. Soil is not regulated for organic labeling, so they can get

away with calling it whatever they wish-they are allowed to call it organic

simply because it contains some forest matter that may have come " from the

wild " . I have some more detailed info somewhere-as I researched this topic

heavily when I was trying to work out my own soil needs when I started gardening

years ago. Just a heads up-I really despise when we are so easily duped by

companies-pay more for a product that is EXACTLY the same as its off labeled

counterpart (am hunting for my soapbox-can't remember where I stored the darn

thing, but this issue is worth dragging it out for)

>

>

>

>

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Yes, I've gathered this much from the reading I've been doing (post-purchase -

:<(). Fortunately I didn't spend too much on the two bags I have. I hope to

check out Dr. Earth today. I want to feel good about the medium I'm using to

grow these beautiful heirloom seeds!

 

Is there room on that soapbox for me?

 

Peggy

To: sproutpeople

Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 8:49 AM

Subject: Re: Growing Kale - Pam

 

Just so you are aware, Miracle Grow organic choice is NOT organic. The poultry

liter and manure come from battery chicken farms and that is as far from organic

as you can get, since hens are fed antibiotics, growth hormones, steroids,

medications, etc. Soil is not regulated for organic labeling, so they can get

away with calling it whatever they wish-they are allowed to call it organic

simply because it contains some forest matter that may have come " from the

wild " . I have some more detailed info somewhere-as I researched this topic

heavily when I was trying to work out my own soil needs when I started gardening

years ago. Just a heads up-I really despise when we are so easily duped by

companies-pay more for a product that is EXACTLY the same as its off labeled

counterpart (am hunting for my soapbox-can't remember where I stored the darn

thing, but this issue is worth dragging it out for)

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Thea ­ I'm late getting back to the list and see that lots of posts are

about Kale, so maybe someone has answered. I put in a small plant mesculin

salad mix which had kale in it, as well as red chard. That was in 2009,

spring. It went to seed, and I didn't garden last year, and this year, when

the weeds were pulled so I could raise my beds to 12 " height, I had all

these kale plants. I also had a ton of red chard, LOL. A definite case of

benign neglect. I'm not much of a gardener, and can't seem to figure when

to harvest, so am not much help.

P

Reply-To: <sproutpeople >

Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:40:43 -0400

To: <sproutpeople >

Subject: RE: Growing Kale - Pam

>

>

>

>

>

> Pam - do you think kale will grow in a container garden and is it a year

> round plant or only summer into fall? Are you starting from the seeds or

> small plants? I need to eat more of it myself plus I'm feeding guinea pigs

> and birds! The more I can grow all this stuff myself, the better, LOL!!

>

> From: sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com>

> [mailto:sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> ]

> On

> Behalf Of Pam Gotcher

> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 1:03 PM

> To: sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: Veganism and sprouts - a bit for n

> as well

>

> When I started my garden this year, after lying fallow last year, I had an

> entire bed FULL of kale. Boy, that stuff is prolific! I was actually able

> to move over 50 plants!

> Pam

>

>

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> Yes, I've gathered this much from the reading I've been doing (post-purchase -

:<(). Fortunately I didn't spend too much on the two bags I have. I hope to

check out Dr. Earth today. I want to feel good about the medium I'm using to

grow these beautiful heirloom seeds!

>  

> Is there room on that soapbox for me?

>  

> Peggy

Climb on up here, Peggy! I bet we would make a great team!

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;>)

 

Move on over, !

To: sproutpeople

Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 11:29 AM

Subject: Re: Growing Kale - Pam

 

>

> Yes, I've gathered this much from the reading I've been doing (post-purchase -

:<(). Fortunately I didn't spend too much on the two bags I have. I hope to

check out Dr. Earth today. I want to feel good about the medium I'm using to

grow these beautiful heirloom seeds!

>  

> Is there room on that soapbox for me?

>  

> Peggy

Climb on up here, Peggy! I bet we would make a great team!

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I use azomite powder. It is natural but i

doubt if it is organic. Does anyone know about this?

I just saw it at the farmers' market and bought a small bag.

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Azomite is a mined product, it can be used on organic crops. It's OMRI listed as

allowed in certified organic production or food processing and handling

according to the USDA National Organic Program Rule.

Lee

> I use azomite powder. It is natural but i

> doubt if it is organic. Does anyone know about this?

> I just saw it at the farmers' market and bought a small bag.

>

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