Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 newbie question > Well, I just started ozone and have questions... > > I read the series on too much ozone, but I don't think this question > was answered. If I do vaginal insufflation and hold the gas for 40 > minutes while I'm then doing my ears and funneling is this a problem > since I'm essentially doing two areas at once? > > Is there any opinion on sauna vs vaginal insufflation for > effectiveness or is it totally dependent on what you are treating? I > guess this could also be answered by preferred method of maintenance > when that stage is reached. > > thanks to all who answer... I don't have an answer directly to your question, but I do have something to say about vaginal insufflation. It has been mentioned on this list before that for women, it's very handy to be able to administer ozone in this manner (sorry guys, you don't know what you're missing At about the end of last year, I discovered the " down " side to this method, when treating myself for a vaginal infection. At first the infection would clear up a bit, and then, as I would continue to insufflate ozone, the infection would get worse again. I was very puzzled (and distressed) about this situationn until I came across some information I was researching for my Rife Handbook: the proteus bacterium, commonly found in the vagina, is ADAPTABLE, and can switch from being anaerobic to aerobic. Based on other symptoms I had, I realized that this was the critter that had taken up unwelcome residence, and its adaptability had made insufflating with ozone no longer an option. So, women on this list -- and the men who have partners, family and friends who are women -- be aware of this, the next time you use ozone for a vaginal infection. I would guess that for the few adaptable microbes INSIDE the body, using ozone would still be beneficial because the body in general benefits from increased oxygen. But a local vaginal infection can be a bit trickier to manage, and one may have to look into other modalities. Best, Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 Dear Barbie, You don't say what you are going after, so my answer will be more general. First of all, you don't 'hold' the gas when you are doing vaginal insufflation. The gas is absorbed as it enters. If you do insufflation, and ears, and funneling, you are going to start into the healing crisis. This is a good thing from the point of view of cleansing, but may interfere with your job, etc. The ozone sauna does a thorough job of cleansing the whole body. The draw back is the expense. Vaginal insufflation can do a very excellent job of cleansing, but is a bit more specific in focus. For cervical dysplasia, uterine cancer, etc., it would be treatment of choice. Or, better yet, vaginal insufflation while in the sauna. I could be more useful if you would say what your goal is. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH http://www.plasmafire.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: oxyplus To: oxyplus Subject: newbie question Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:03:25 -0000 Well, I just started ozone and have questions... I read the series on too much ozone, but I don't think this question was answered. If I do vaginal insufflation and hold the gas for 40 minutes while I'm then doing my ears and funneling is this a problem since I'm essentially doing two areas at once? Is there any opinion on sauna vs vaginal insufflation for effectiveness or is it totally dependent on what you are treating? I guess this could also be answered by preferred method of maintenance when that stage is reached. thanks to all who answer... .. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2002 Report Share Posted November 18, 2002 Dear Nina, I would respectfully beg to differ. Rather than an adaptation of a bacteria, you are actually seeing the healing crisis. If you continue the process, you will go through many ups and downs, as you retrace back through time in the healing journey, and stored toxins from years gone by are released in order. Try it and you will see. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH http://www.plasmafire.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: oxyplus To: <oxyplus > Subject: Re: newbie question Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:16:20 -0500 newbie question > Well, I just started ozone and have questions... > > I read the series on too much ozone, but I don't think this question > was answered. If I do vaginal insufflation and hold the gas for 40 > minutes while I'm then doing my ears and funneling is this a problem > since I'm essentially doing two areas at once? > > Is there any opinion on sauna vs vaginal insufflation for > effectiveness or is it totally dependent on what you are treating? I > guess this could also be answered by preferred method of maintenance > when that stage is reached. > > thanks to all who answer... I don't have an answer directly to your question, but I do have something to say about vaginal insufflation. It has been mentioned on this list before that for women, it's very handy to be able to administer ozone in this manner (sorry guys, you don't know what you're missing At about the end of last year, I discovered the " down " side to this method, when treating myself for a vaginal infection. At first the infection would clear up a bit, and then, as I would continue to insufflate ozone, the infection would get worse again. I was very puzzled (and distressed) about this situationn until I came across some information I was researching for my Rife Handbook: the proteus bacterium, commonly found in the vagina, is ADAPTABLE, and can switch from being anaerobic to aerobic. Based on other symptoms I had, I realized that this was the critter that had taken up unwelcome residence, and its adaptability had made insufflating with ozone no longer an option. So, women on this list -- and the men who have partners, family and friends who are women -- be aware of this, the next time you use ozone for a vaginal infection. I would guess that for the few adaptable microbes INSIDE the body, using ozone would still be beneficial because the body in general benefits from increased oxygen. But a local vaginal infection can be a bit trickier to manage, and one may have to look into other modalities. Best, Nina _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2002 Report Share Posted November 18, 2002 Re: newbie question > Dear Nina, > > I would respectfully beg to differ. > > Rather than an adaptation of a bacteria, you are actually seeing the healing > crisis. If you continue the process, you will go through many > ups and downs, as you retrace back through time in the healing journey, > and stored toxins from years gone by are released in order. > > Try it and you will see. > > Best of health! > Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH Saul, I would agree with you that the increase in symptoms could be a healing crisis -- except for the fact that the proteus microbe can switch from being aerobic to anaerobic. (And the diagnosis of proteus was correct; in fact it was confirmed by an F-Scan test.) So can you please explain why an adaptable pathogen would be knocked out by ozone insufflation nonetheless? I'd LOVE you to be correct about this, because it would make this condition a lot easier to treat. Thanks. Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2002 Report Share Posted November 18, 2002 Dear Nina, An adaptable pathogen can produce a certain amount of antioxidant enzymes to block the action of ozone. The question is, can it produce enough to withstand the daily 'assault' on its outer layer that vaginal insufflation provides? My guess is that it cannot. It does not have the resources that a healthy cell has, where outputs of glutathione peroxidase and superoxide dismutase will shoot up many times. So it is a question of battering down its defenses every day, until ozone can blow a hole through its outer layer. My guess is that this would be a good time to use higher concentrations of ozone, 50 - 60 ug/ml, if this pest has set up shop. Even strong bacteria like Staph. aureus, which live in air, can be destroyed by ozone, if the concentration is higher, and exposure time is longer. Otherwise, we would not be able to stop MRSA, which we can. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH http://www.plasmafire.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: oxyplus To: <oxyplus > Subject: Re: newbie question Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:46:51 -0500 Re: newbie question > Dear Nina, > > I would respectfully beg to differ. > > Rather than an adaptation of a bacteria, you are actually seeing the healing > crisis. If you continue the process, you will go through many > ups and downs, as you retrace back through time in the healing journey, > and stored toxins from years gone by are released in order. > > Try it and you will see. > > Best of health! > Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH Saul, I would agree with you that the increase in symptoms could be a healing crisis -- except for the fact that the proteus microbe can switch from being aerobic to anaerobic. (And the diagnosis of proteus was correct; in fact it was confirmed by an F-Scan test.) So can you please explain why an adaptable pathogen would be knocked out by ozone insufflation nonetheless? I'd LOVE you to be correct about this, because it would make this condition a lot easier to treat. Thanks. Nina _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2002 Report Share Posted November 18, 2002 > Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:46:51 -0500 > > >> I would respectfully beg to differ. >> >> Rather than an adaptation of a bacteria, you are actually seeing the healing >> crisis. If you continue the process, you will go through many >> ups and downs, as you retrace back through time in the healing journey, >> and stored toxins from years gone by are released in order. >> >> Try it and you will see. >> >> Best of health! >> Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH > Saul, > I would agree with you that the increase in symptoms could be a healing > crisis -- except for the fact that the proteus microbe can switch from being > aerobic to anaerobic. (And the diagnosis of proteus was correct; in fact it was > confirmed by an F-Scan test.) > > So can you please explain why an adaptable pathogen would be knocked out by > ozone insufflation nonetheless? I'd LOVE you to be correct about this, because > it would make this condition a lot easier to treat. > > Thanks. > Nina Hi Nina, I'll take a shot at this one, and I am sure Saul will correct me if I'm wrong... Ozone is far diffeent than oxygen. An aerobic microbe can still be killed by ozone, as it is the extra O1 molecule that oxideizes the microbe, not the O2. Saul? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2002 Report Share Posted November 18, 2002 In a message dated 11/18/02 1:42:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, ruthful@... writes: > I was very puzzled (and distressed) about this situationn until I came across > some information I was researching for my Rife Handbook: the proteus > bacterium, > commonly found in the vagina, is ADAPTABLE, and can switch from being > anaerobic > to aerobic. Based on other symptoms I had, I realized that this was the > critter > that had taken up unwelcome residence, and its adaptability had made > insufflating with ozone no longer an option. > > Best, > Nina Are bacteria's in the gut and the blood stream able to switch from anerobic to aerobic? K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2002 Report Share Posted November 18, 2002 Re: newbie question > Dear Nina, > > An adaptable pathogen can produce a certain amount of antioxidant > enzymes to block the action of ozone. > > The question is, can it produce enough to withstand the daily 'assault' on > its outer layer that vaginal insufflation provides? > > My guess is that it cannot. It does not have the resources that a healthy > cell has, where outputs of glutathione peroxidase and superoxide dismutase > will shoot up many times. > > So it is a question of battering down its defenses every day, until > ozone can blow a hole through its outer layer. My guess is that this > would be a good time to use higher concentrations of ozone, 50 - 60 ug/ml, > if this pest has set up shop. > > Even strong bacteria like Staph. aureus, which live in air, can be destroyed > by ozone, if the concentration is higher, and exposure time is longer. > Otherwise, we would not be able to stop MRSA, which we can. > > Best of health! > Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH Okay, Saul, what you say makes sense. Unfortunately, my ozone generator is a cheap unit (bought many years ago before I knew much about ozone at all), and there's no way to regulate the flow. My guess is that there is not enough pressure to kill the proteus. (After a day or two of insufflation when I'd feel better, the area would swell up and hurt dreadfully.) So unless someone gifts me with a decent generator, I'll have to investigate other options. Thanks. Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2002 Report Share Posted November 19, 2002 Hi Nina. I had a similar experience with vitamin O. Since then I don't use oxygen products vaginally. Donna Re: newbie question At about the end of last year, I discovered the " down " side to this method, when treating myself for a vaginal infection. At first the infection would clear up a bit, and then, as I would continue to insufflate ozone, the infection would get worse again. I was very puzzled (and distressed) about this situationn until I came across some information I was researching for my Rife Handbook: the proteus bacterium, commonly found in the vagina, is ADAPTABLE, and can switch from being anaerobic to aerobic. Based on other symptoms I had, I realized that this was the critter that had taken up unwelcome residence, and its adaptability had made insufflating with ozone no longer an option. Best, Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2002 Report Share Posted November 19, 2002 Re: newbie question > Are bacteria's in the gut and the blood stream able to switch from anerobic > to aerobic? K It depends on the microbe. Each one is different. A good medical book or database on pathogens should tell you. Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2002 Report Share Posted November 19, 2002 Dear , There are different levels of resistance to ozone from different bacteria, depending on their ability to manufacture protective enzymes. But even bacteria that are 'surface' occupants are susceptible, if the concentration and/or length of time is sufficient to overcome their ability to produce protection. The most powerful 'superbugs' are MRSA (methycillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus) and VRE (vancomycin-resistant enterococcus). They live in air. They are present in half of all hospital rooms. They laugh at antibiotics. They kill people every day. Yet, they can be killed with ozone, if there is sufficient concentration and time. So it is not simply an aerobic/anerobic question. It is a 'protective enzyme' question. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH http://www.plasmafire.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: oxyplus To: oxyplus Subject: Re: newbie question Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:22:17 -0500 > Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:46:51 -0500 > > >> I would respectfully beg to differ. >> >> Rather than an adaptation of a bacteria, you are actually seeing the healing >> crisis. If you continue the process, you will go through many >> ups and downs, as you retrace back through time in the healing journey, >> and stored toxins from years gone by are released in order. >> >> Try it and you will see. >> >> Best of health! >> Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH > Saul, > I would agree with you that the increase in symptoms could be a healing > crisis -- except for the fact that the proteus microbe can switch from being > aerobic to anaerobic. (And the diagnosis of proteus was correct; in fact it was > confirmed by an F-Scan test.) > > So can you please explain why an adaptable pathogen would be knocked out by > ozone insufflation nonetheless? I'd LOVE you to be correct about this, because > it would make this condition a lot easier to treat. > > Thanks. > Nina Hi Nina, I'll take a shot at this one, and I am sure Saul will correct me if I'm wrong... Ozone is far diffeent than oxygen. An aerobic microbe can still be killed by ozone, as it is the extra O1 molecule that oxideizes the microbe, not the O2. Saul? _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Hi welcome , since you have yet to be diagnosed there is a good chance it may just be from the alcoholism . And though you have ceased drinking the damage may already be there . I wouldn't worry to much yet , notice that I said yet because that doesn't mean that there will be nothing to worry about . At this point its to early to say if you have cirrhosis of liver , fatty liver disease , or hepatitis c . Your doctor will want to run other tests of course and these tests are necessary to rule out which problem you may be having . As far as protein is conerned you should get your daily amount as normal unless you have cirrhosis and then the doctor is the one to tell you what your protein intake should be every day. Newbie Question Hello Everyone - I am new here, trying to sort out the meaning and the best plan for a recent abnormal ALT and AST levels I received during a routine blood lab. I hope you can help me with a couple of questions. I have yet to be officially diagnosed with anything. My family doc has scheduled an ultrasound, but I am putting that off until after the new year. I have some insurance issues to contend with and also I am trying to keep this under wraps from my family in hope I can improve and solve the issue without the need to worry them. I have had a very rough couple of years following the loss of my young daughter who died from a brain tumor. During many years of stress fighting for her, I did not take very good care of myself. After she died I took even worse care and ate fast food, drank too much – not everyday, but too much - and became about 50 pounds overweight. Now I have these elevated LFT’s and I am worried terribly that my wife will be even more traumatized. About two months ago, immediately when the labs first appeared, I ceased all alcohol and went on a health crusade. Six weeks later my AST went down, but my ALT went up by ten to 83. I am now eating a nutritious, low fat diet – only some fish, no other meat. Also taking milk thistle, SAMe, and a couple of other vitamins. I definitely feel some fatigue, fog and occasional dizziness – other than that, no problems. My first question is about colonics. I feel as if I need to detoxify big time, but I have read that colonics can further damage a distressed liver. Most of what I read is that colonics help the liver. So, which is correct? Has anyone else done homework on this, or have any direct experiences to share? Next question is about protein intake. I have read contradicting information on this too. Some have said to eat more protein because the liver is not processing it properly. Others say to avoid protein because it is putting a strain on the liver. Any input? How about any success stories? Are there people here who have improved AST ALT levels? Any who reversed damage, fatty liver, inflammation? I could use a little uplift if it is there to be had! Thanks in advance and best wishes to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 Hi there. Input?? You want Input?? Boy, are you gonna love me. I actually built my own cooling system and made a video. Here you go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIm14eNzy0k Melody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 That's cool Melody. Those are the sprouters I am interested in buying thanks to your other video, I have looked at several and those look like just what I want. I have a nice ice chest here that I can use, so the sprouts don't need air to grow? Sorry if that is a dumb question, I haven't actually started yet. LOL > To: sproutpeople > From: eliz7212@... > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:58:23 +0000 > Subject: Re: Newbie question > > Hi there. > > Input?? You want Input?? Boy, are you gonna love me. > > I actually built my own cooling system and made a video. > > Here you go. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIm14eNzy0k > > Melody > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 > > Well, I think they need a certain amount of air ciculation (that's why in my cooling system, there is SOME AIR around the sprouters), but sprouts generate their own heat. And if you just keep the sprouts stacked in a very hot kitchen, I believe they will all get moldy (I learned by experience). So I've been using this system (I just improved it by making it larger so I could stack more trays) and I have NEVER LOST A SPROUT YET. So when it's hot, use your cooling thing and you'll be in sprout heaven. lol Melody > That's cool Melody. Those are the sprouters I am interested in buying thanks to your other video, I have looked at several and those look like just what I want. I have a nice ice chest here that I can use, so the sprouts don't need air to grow? Sorry if that is a dumb question, I haven't actually started yet. LOL > > > > > > > To: sproutpeople > > From: eliz7212@... > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:58:23 +0000 > > Subject: Re: Newbie question > > > > Hi there. > > > > Input?? You want Input?? Boy, are you gonna love me. > > > > I actually built my own cooling system and made a video. > > > > Here you go. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIm14eNzy0k > > > > Melody > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 I remember reading some where not to put them in an enclosed cabinet because they needed air circulation. R. > > > > > > > > Well, I think they need a certain amount of air ciculation (that's why in > my cooling system, there is SOME AIR around the sprouters), but sprouts > generate their own heat. And if you just keep the sprouts stacked in a very > hot kitchen, I believe they will all get moldy (I learned by experience). > So I've been using this system (I just improved it by making it larger so I > could stack more trays) and I have NEVER LOST A SPROUT YET. > > So when it's hot, use your cooling thing and you'll be in sprout heaven. > > lol > > Melody > > > > That's cool Melody. Those are the sprouters I am interested in buying > thanks to your other video, I have looked at several and those look like > just what I want. I have a nice ice chest here that I can use, so the > sprouts don't need air to grow? Sorry if that is a dumb question, I > haven't actually started yet. LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: sproutpeople > > > From: eliz7212@... > > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:58:23 +0000 > > > Subject: Re: Newbie question > > > > > > Hi there. > > > > > > Input?? You want Input?? Boy, are you gonna love me. > > > > > > I actually built my own cooling system and made a video. > > > > > > Here you go. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIm14eNzy0k > > > > > > Melody > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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