Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 In a message dated 10/25/01 8:38:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, keverett@... writes: > My symptoms are more muscular than joint, numbness and fuzzy feelings in the > muscles, pain in the outside of my hips and other tender areas all over, > mostly its the muscle fatigue that killing me. Hi , Most of the symptoms you are describing sound very much like Fibro. I do have Fibro and can relate to the muscular pain, tender areas all over and the fatigue. I can't say that I get a numbness or fuzzy feeling, but I do get knots in my muscles especially in my neck and shoulder area that make me look like " The Hunch Back of Notre Dam's " wife. LOL. It can be very debilitating. My docs put me on Flexeril to help with the muscle problems and it has been effective in reducing some of my symptoms. I'm sorry that your doc is having a negative attitude. Unfortunately, there is still a lot of debate amongst the Demigods of the medical profession. Some doctors don't believe Fibro is real. I sometimes believe that some of the docs today have gotten their degrees from Cracker Jack boxes. LOLOLOL. See if your primary will give you a referral to a rheumy who can make the diagnosis. That will at least quiet your primary doctor. Maybe he will learn a lesson in humility. Good luck. Much love, Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 In a message dated 10/25/01 8:38:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, keverett@... writes: > My symptoms are more muscular than joint, numbness and fuzzy feelings in the > muscles, pain in the outside of my hips and other tender areas all over, > mostly its the muscle fatigue that killing me. Hi , Most of the symptoms you are describing sound very much like Fibro. I do have Fibro and can relate to the muscular pain, tender areas all over and the fatigue. I can't say that I get a numbness or fuzzy feeling, but I do get knots in my muscles especially in my neck and shoulder area that make me look like " The Hunch Back of Notre Dam's " wife. LOL. It can be very debilitating. My docs put me on Flexeril to help with the muscle problems and it has been effective in reducing some of my symptoms. I'm sorry that your doc is having a negative attitude. Unfortunately, there is still a lot of debate amongst the Demigods of the medical profession. Some doctors don't believe Fibro is real. I sometimes believe that some of the docs today have gotten their degrees from Cracker Jack boxes. LOLOLOL. See if your primary will give you a referral to a rheumy who can make the diagnosis. That will at least quiet your primary doctor. Maybe he will learn a lesson in humility. Good luck. Much love, Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2001 Report Share Posted October 26, 2001 Hi Elly, Your description of the flu like symptoms and the pain you have when you get your blood pressure taken sound so familiar. There are many aspects to this dragon! Hope today is a better one for you, Louise. eandbc wrote: > > Dear and others, > I have had Fibro for many many years and I honestly think I have more pain > from that than I do from the Stills, with the exception of a flare and my > neck.To me it feels like a bad case of the flu,everything aches,my muscles > are very heavy and there are many pressure points all over my body that > NOBODY touches. I actually cry when I have my blood pressure taken. My left > side arms,legs etc. are very weak,I can't stand on my left leg more than a > second or two without losing my balance.I have already lost the muscle in my > right thumb,why there I don't know.I hope this gives you a little info, if > you have any more questions,please ask. By the way, a Rheumatologist > diagnosed me about 12 years ago, before I got Stills. > Love Elly > > > Visit the Still's Disease Message Board > http://disc.server.com/Indices/148599.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2001 Report Share Posted October 27, 2001 Dear , I was diagnosed with Fibro a few years ago. I find the tiredness, muscle pain and weakness that bothers me the most. A lot of my pressure points are very tender. I think the combo of these diseases makes the pain worse. I have different sensations that are more bothersome more than anything. I am sensitive to smells, tastes etc... I also get tingling and numbness I don't know if this is part of the disease. I am not as up on Fibro as I am on Stills. I hope you will find some relief soon for these symptoms. I find with each secondary condition that I have ended up with seems to make everything worse. Your in my thoughts and prayers. Keep us posted. Love, jatw@... Fibromyalgia > Help!!! I know there are some of you who have also been diagnosed with Fibro. Could you please reply and give me a brief picture of the symptoms. I have been having some really strange (not seemingly stills related ) problems and a close friend said it really sounded like fibro but my primary care doc says he doesnt really consider that a disease. (Iknow dont jump down my throat, i'm sure you all have heard it before) My symptoms are more muscular than joint, numbness and fuzzy feelings in the muscles, pain in the outside of my hips and other tender areas all over, mostly its the muscle fatigue that killing me. Any help or input would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks so much... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2001 Report Share Posted October 27, 2001 Dear , I was diagnosed with Fibro a few years ago. I find the tiredness, muscle pain and weakness that bothers me the most. A lot of my pressure points are very tender. I think the combo of these diseases makes the pain worse. I have different sensations that are more bothersome more than anything. I am sensitive to smells, tastes etc... I also get tingling and numbness I don't know if this is part of the disease. I am not as up on Fibro as I am on Stills. I hope you will find some relief soon for these symptoms. I find with each secondary condition that I have ended up with seems to make everything worse. Your in my thoughts and prayers. Keep us posted. Love, jatw@... Fibromyalgia > Help!!! I know there are some of you who have also been diagnosed with Fibro. Could you please reply and give me a brief picture of the symptoms. I have been having some really strange (not seemingly stills related ) problems and a close friend said it really sounded like fibro but my primary care doc says he doesnt really consider that a disease. (Iknow dont jump down my throat, i'm sure you all have heard it before) My symptoms are more muscular than joint, numbness and fuzzy feelings in the muscles, pain in the outside of my hips and other tender areas all over, mostly its the muscle fatigue that killing me. Any help or input would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks so much... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Hi Carmen, Unfortunately I do not have AOL so am unable to help you with that matter but perhaps other AOL users on this list might be able to come to your rescue. What I did to come up with all those links was to go to the " address " line at the top of the screen and type in " go Fibromyalgia Support Group " and then press enter. It then proceeded to the msn search engine page which produced all of these links. Perhaps you could try it and then have better luck at sending it that way. If not then send an email or perhaps forwarded this one to her and she could follow these instructions so she could bring up the links herself. Just a thought. I don't take any specific drug for my Fibro but I guess the doc thinks that the meds I take for my Rheumatoid Arthritis would help with the Fibro as well. So you are going to be a Grandmother are you, you must be very excited..Congratulations. It sounds like they might have a tall/long baby. Take care, Marilyn mhogg69@... pscarmen@... wrote: Hi Marilyn, Thank you for taking the time to list ALL those sites. I started writing down the first few and then realized that it would take me a year to do so. I am now forwarding them, hopefully if I can figure out how to do it as AOL put this Digest in a Notepad and there is no send or forward anywhere. I'll have to give their tech help a jingle. I'm sure Barb will be so pleased to check them out. She mentioned that Prednisone does no good at all for Fibromyalgia patients. Is that true? One of her doctor's had put her on a very high dose of it and she thought at the time that is was not doing her any good. Maybe she was right. --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Hi Carmen, Unfortunately I do not have AOL so am unable to help you with that matter but perhaps other AOL users on this list might be able to come to your rescue. What I did to come up with all those links was to go to the " address " line at the top of the screen and type in " go Fibromyalgia Support Group " and then press enter. It then proceeded to the msn search engine page which produced all of these links. Perhaps you could try it and then have better luck at sending it that way. If not then send an email or perhaps forwarded this one to her and she could follow these instructions so she could bring up the links herself. Just a thought. I don't take any specific drug for my Fibro but I guess the doc thinks that the meds I take for my Rheumatoid Arthritis would help with the Fibro as well. So you are going to be a Grandmother are you, you must be very excited..Congratulations. It sounds like they might have a tall/long baby. Take care, Marilyn mhogg69@... pscarmen@... wrote: Hi Marilyn, Thank you for taking the time to list ALL those sites. I started writing down the first few and then realized that it would take me a year to do so. I am now forwarding them, hopefully if I can figure out how to do it as AOL put this Digest in a Notepad and there is no send or forward anywhere. I'll have to give their tech help a jingle. I'm sure Barb will be so pleased to check them out. She mentioned that Prednisone does no good at all for Fibromyalgia patients. Is that true? One of her doctor's had put her on a very high dose of it and she thought at the time that is was not doing her any good. Maybe she was right. --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Cooling Painful Hot Spots in Fibromyalgia By: Haran Printer Friendly Version RELATED ARTICLES Magnet Therapy for Pain: What's the Attraction? Read Article >> Going Under: Self-Hypnosis for Pain Relief Read Article >> Pot-pourri: Cannabis Preparations for Pain Read Article >> It's Not All in Your Head: Difficulty Diagnosing Headache Read Article >> Most people try to steer clear of pain if they can. But for people with fibromyalgia, pain is unavoidable. This syndrome, like other chronic pain syndromes such as chronic fatigue syndrome or irritable bowel syndrome, lowers people's pain thresholds, so that they have severe pain when others might not even feel discomfort. " There is almost universal agreement that these illnesses occur because of some disturbance in the way that the central nervous system is processing pain, " says Clauw, MD, director of the University of Michigan Chronic Pain and Fatigue Research Center and a spokesperson for the American Academy of Rheumatology. " It's almost as if the volume control is turned up too loud on the nerves in the body. " The American Academy of Rheumatology estimates that between 3 and 6 million Americans suffer from fibromyalgia. The pain, fatigue and anxiety these people suffer from can drive them from doctor to doctor in search of a diagnosis, and prevent them from participating in life as fully as they would like to. While fibromyalgia was once dismissed by most doctors, hundreds of studies have looked at the diagnosis and treatment of this condition over the past 25 years. Even though the precise cause is still unclear, a review published recently in the New England Journal of Medicine confirms that many people with fibromyalgia will find relief if they try a combination of medication and non-drug therapies. Figuring Out Fibromyalgia Fibromyalgia, which is much more common in women than men, cannot be diagnosed with standard lab tests. So doctors will first need to rule out other conditions that cause pain and/or fatigue such as rheumatoid arthritis or hypothyroidism. A diagnosis is then based on whether someone has pain throughout their body and whether they feel tenderness when pressure is applied to 11 to 18 hot spots in the body where muscle and tendons meet, such as certain areas on the neck and shoulders. Complicating matters, fibromyalgia can also involve related conditions, such as tension headaches and irritable bowel syndrome. Another confusing point is that fibromyalgia shares many symptoms with chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), which causes persistent fatigue and muscle and joint pain. Fortunately, chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia tend to respond to the same treatments. Stress Overload Why do certain people become so sensitive to pain? Some doctors suggest that, as odd as it sounds, fibromyalgia is a self-protective measure on the part of the body. " In your home you have a fuse box, and if you plug too many things in, you blow a fuse that will protect your home from harm, " explains Teitelbaum, MD, director of the polis Center for Effective CFS/Fibromyalgia in land. " Similarly, the hypothalamus in the brain is a major control center for sleep, blood pressure and blood flow and other factors. It's energy dependant, so if you overdraw your energy, then it's the area that goes offline first. " When the hypothalamus goes offline, Dr. Teitelbaum says, the body loses energy and the muscles become short and stiff, causing pain that ultimately leads to pain in other parts of the body as you try to compensate for the discomfort. In other words, the hypothalamus is forcing the body to shut down. Stress is believed to trigger the blown fuse in many cases. That stress can be emotional, such job or relationship stress, or physical, such as trauma from an infection or from sleep deprivation. Both types of stress lead to the " fight or flight " reaction in the brain that involves the release of certain chemicals and hormones. " There are two ways that stress seems to be involved in this illness, " Dr. Clauw says. " One is that certain types of stress, such as a motor vehicle accident or mononucleosis, seem to be capable of triggering this illness. The other thing that stress can do is exacerbate symptoms if someone already has this condition. " Treatment Tips Besides minimizing their exposure to stress, there are a number of treatments available to people with fibromyalgia. Some people, however, may opt not to treat their fibromyalgia. According to Dr. Clauw, these men and women just " want to make sure there is nothing 'bad' going on. " Most patients, however, will opt for treatment. And according to the New England Journal of Medicine review, the ideal approach involves a combination of therapies that in some way or another get the brain chemistry charged. Manipulating Pain Centers with Medication While the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has not approved any drugs specifically for fibromyalgia, tricyclic antidepressants such as Elavil (amitriptyline), and muscle relaxants such as Flexeril (cyclobenzaprine), have been well studied. Other, newer forms of antidepressants, including dual serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors (SNRIs) such as Effexor (venlafaxine) and a drug that's awaiting FDA approval for fibromyalgia called milnacipran, have also been shown to be helpful. Exorcizing Pain with Exercise Exercise, particularly aerobic exercise such as biking, dance or walking, can also improve pain and energy levels, as well as sleep. Dr. Clauw explains that exercise raises levels of serotonin and norpinephrine just as medication does, " so the way I explain the value of exercise to my patient is that exercise is, in fact, a drug that you get your body to produce. " " Just like with drugs, " he continues, " I tell people to start at a low dose and go up slowly. " But patients shouldn't worry that exercise will simply cause more pain. A study conducted by Dr. Clauw that was published in January in Arthritis and Rheumatism showed that increased physical activity in people with fibromyalgia was not necessarily associated with more pain. According to Dr. Clauw, about 15 to 25 minutes of exercise every day is probably more valuable to people with fibromyalgia than 45-minute periods of exercise three days a week. Controlling Pain with Cognitive Behavioral Therapy Studies have shown that cognitive behavioral therapy, which involves psychological and behavioral therapy, can also be used to lessen pain and improve function. Such techniques can help people feel like they are have more control over their illness and help them how to cope with pain by teaching relaxation skills, distraction strategies, better scheduling and goal setting. People can get cognitive therapy through a trained counselor, and research groups are working on developing Web-based programs so people can work on these techniques on their own time. You Don't Have to Feel Sick Other approaches, including meditation, acupuncture, hypnotherapy, better sleep habits, improved nutrition and better regulation of hormone levels may also help improve symptoms. If you think you may have fibromyalgia, it's best to find a physician who is familiar with its treatment. That doctor may be an internist or family physician or a rheumatologist, though Dr. Teitelbaum recommends seeking out a pain specialist through the American Academy of Pain Specialists. " If you are exhausted and you hurt all over, the good news is that fibromyalgia is a very treatable disease, " Dr. Teitelbaum says. " You don't have to feel sick anymore. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Roland, You were indeed fortunate if you were successful in remediating fibromyalgia in 20 sessions. In most cases I have found the fibromyalgia, chronic pain and chronic fatigue seem to be related to unexpressed emotional pain that has been buried for many years. Often alpha is the medium for anesthetizing the brain against the emotional pain. As alpha begins to slow--and often moves forward as well--the somatic effects begin to be felt. I think that training to reduce the alpha can have a positive effect on the pain, but I have always felt that it is important to deal with the underlying issue as well. It is very common that I will see a " scooped out " area at 6-8 Hz, related to memory and visualization. This may suggest that the brain is trying very hard to stay away from subconscious material (alpha theta training centers on 7 Hz and commonly allow subconscious material to come to the surface). Probably working on the temporals will help. Speeding up the alpha that is present usually helps as well. Pete Hello dear people, I trained 1 person in the past succesfully on fibromyalgia. In 20 sessions she had full relive of physical symptoms. At the moment I'm training a woman on it. She had frontal alpha which was resolved in 20 sessions, cognitively she feels much more focussed and no tiredness anymore. Physically though there has not been a change... She has some temporal alpha on which I train, beta and theta is in normal range, alpha is high. Is it normal to take this long for fibromyalgia ? When can I expect relieve in physical symptoms? Hope somebody can help, thanks, greetings, Roland. ..-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com 305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Roland, You were indeed fortunate if you were successful in remediating fibromyalgia in 20 sessions. In most cases I have found the fibromyalgia, chronic pain and chronic fatigue seem to be related to unexpressed emotional pain that has been buried for many years. Often alpha is the medium for anesthetizing the brain against the emotional pain. As alpha begins to slow--and often moves forward as well--the somatic effects begin to be felt. I think that training to reduce the alpha can have a positive effect on the pain, but I have always felt that it is important to deal with the underlying issue as well. It is very common that I will see a " scooped out " area at 6-8 Hz, related to memory and visualization. This may suggest that the brain is trying very hard to stay away from subconscious material (alpha theta training centers on 7 Hz and commonly allow subconscious material to come to the surface). Probably working on the temporals will help. Speeding up the alpha that is present usually helps as well. Pete Hello dear people, I trained 1 person in the past succesfully on fibromyalgia. In 20 sessions she had full relive of physical symptoms. At the moment I'm training a woman on it. She had frontal alpha which was resolved in 20 sessions, cognitively she feels much more focussed and no tiredness anymore. Physically though there has not been a change... She has some temporal alpha on which I train, beta and theta is in normal range, alpha is high. Is it normal to take this long for fibromyalgia ? When can I expect relieve in physical symptoms? Hope somebody can help, thanks, greetings, Roland. ..-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com 305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Roland, You were indeed fortunate if you were successful in remediating fibromyalgia in 20 sessions. In most cases I have found the fibromyalgia, chronic pain and chronic fatigue seem to be related to unexpressed emotional pain that has been buried for many years. Often alpha is the medium for anesthetizing the brain against the emotional pain. As alpha begins to slow--and often moves forward as well--the somatic effects begin to be felt. I think that training to reduce the alpha can have a positive effect on the pain, but I have always felt that it is important to deal with the underlying issue as well. It is very common that I will see a " scooped out " area at 6-8 Hz, related to memory and visualization. This may suggest that the brain is trying very hard to stay away from subconscious material (alpha theta training centers on 7 Hz and commonly allow subconscious material to come to the surface). Probably working on the temporals will help. Speeding up the alpha that is present usually helps as well. Pete Hello dear people, I trained 1 person in the past succesfully on fibromyalgia. In 20 sessions she had full relive of physical symptoms. At the moment I'm training a woman on it. She had frontal alpha which was resolved in 20 sessions, cognitively she feels much more focussed and no tiredness anymore. Physically though there has not been a change... She has some temporal alpha on which I train, beta and theta is in normal range, alpha is high. Is it normal to take this long for fibromyalgia ? When can I expect relieve in physical symptoms? Hope somebody can help, thanks, greetings, Roland. ..-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com 305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Hi, I trained SMR and high alpha on the back of the head. It's not normal to have really sinusoidal alpha at the temporals, this is what I meant. Sinusoidal alpha is normally only seen o the back. The person I treated succesfully had no such thing as this alpha by the way. Greetings, Roland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Hi, I trained SMR and high alpha on the back of the head. It's not normal to have really sinusoidal alpha at the temporals, this is what I meant. Sinusoidal alpha is normally only seen o the back. The person I treated succesfully had no such thing as this alpha by the way. Greetings, Roland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Hi, I trained SMR and high alpha on the back of the head. It's not normal to have really sinusoidal alpha at the temporals, this is what I meant. Sinusoidal alpha is normally only seen o the back. The person I treated succesfully had no such thing as this alpha by the way. Greetings, Roland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Hello Pete you were right... She has this scoop in her EEG at 6 to 8 hz, I will train this. Greetings, Roland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Pete, how many does it take you on average to resolve fobromyalgia, or at least to get huge gains ? Greetings, Roland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Roland, It depends on the client and the EEG pattern. It usually takes a decade or two for someone to reach the level of somatic involvement involved in chronic pain or fatigue or fibromyalgia. They have often become very controlling but have lost all sense of ability to control themselves. They may have developed significant secondary gains: benefits that they actually get from having fibromyalgia, which they can't admit easily to themselves but which they resist giving up. If you can identify the underlying tone strategy(ies) and find one that the brain will give up fairly easily, and if you can help the client to decide that they DO have control in their lives and choose to exercise it, then I'd say 30-50 sessions is pretty reasonable to result in changes in the pain and greater ongoing contact with the emotional material and current feelings that are the pathway to healthy living. I usually put a lot on the line right up front to try to separate those who truly can/will change from those who who can't/won't (and these people are absolutely sure that they DO!) That saves a lot of time and improves success rates with what can be a very draining (and very rewarding) population. Pete Pete, how many does it take you on average to resolve fobromyalgia, or at least to get huge gains ? Greetings, Roland. ..-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com 305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Roland, It depends on the client and the EEG pattern. It usually takes a decade or two for someone to reach the level of somatic involvement involved in chronic pain or fatigue or fibromyalgia. They have often become very controlling but have lost all sense of ability to control themselves. They may have developed significant secondary gains: benefits that they actually get from having fibromyalgia, which they can't admit easily to themselves but which they resist giving up. If you can identify the underlying tone strategy(ies) and find one that the brain will give up fairly easily, and if you can help the client to decide that they DO have control in their lives and choose to exercise it, then I'd say 30-50 sessions is pretty reasonable to result in changes in the pain and greater ongoing contact with the emotional material and current feelings that are the pathway to healthy living. I usually put a lot on the line right up front to try to separate those who truly can/will change from those who who can't/won't (and these people are absolutely sure that they DO!) That saves a lot of time and improves success rates with what can be a very draining (and very rewarding) population. Pete Pete, how many does it take you on average to resolve fobromyalgia, or at least to get huge gains ? Greetings, Roland. ..-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com 305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Ok, thank you. I'm now down to 20, much effect on concentration, but nothing yet on pain. Greetings, Roland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Ok, thank you. I'm now down to 20, much effect on concentration, but nothing yet on pain. Greetings, Roland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Roland, Alpha problems (slow peak, very high amplitudes, poor blocking, frontal alpha) are often the things that unwind the pain. I don't know what protocol you are using, but identifying the main tone strategies and training to quiet the temporals, shift the balance of alpha and beta side-to-side or front-to-back are the keys to releasing the emotional material underneath it all. Training in the central strip may help with attention, but that's usually WAY down on the list of problems the client wants to resolve. pete Ok, thank you. I'm now down to 20, much effect on concentration, but nothing yet on pain. Greetings, Roland. ..._,___ -- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com 305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Roland, Alpha problems (slow peak, very high amplitudes, poor blocking, frontal alpha) are often the things that unwind the pain. I don't know what protocol you are using, but identifying the main tone strategies and training to quiet the temporals, shift the balance of alpha and beta side-to-side or front-to-back are the keys to releasing the emotional material underneath it all. Training in the central strip may help with attention, but that's usually WAY down on the list of problems the client wants to resolve. pete Ok, thank you. I'm now down to 20, much effect on concentration, but nothing yet on pain. Greetings, Roland. ..._,___ -- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com 305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Hi, I trained frontal alpha away mainly first, also a little SMR on central strip. At the moment I train on the temporals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Hi, I trained frontal alpha away mainly first, also a little SMR on central strip. At the moment I train on the temporals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Hi there.. For some reason I did not see the reply from Pete on your question regarding Fibromyalgia. Could you forward to me his replies, my wife suffers with FM and we are considering treatment. Thanks! Joe --- ronaway7 wrote: > Pete, how many does it take you on average to > resolve fobromyalgia, or > at least to get huge gains ? Greetings, Roland. > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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