Re: Supporting Priests who Preach about Contraception from the Pulpit

[Guest guest]

,You raise a good question about what to say to priests at an information night.  I can't help but think that most priests would show some discomfort at hearing about the details of the various NFP methods (does he really need to hear about the various signs of ovulation or ecological breastfeeding?).  Rather, as you say below, Catholics in the pews would do well to hear what it means to be a practicing Catholic.  The morality of marital sexuality, why the Church is opposed to contraception, what is Humanae Vitae?  These are in line with the priest's function.  Contacts for information on various NFP methods can be included in the church bulletin.  Dates and times for classes for parish couples can be announced from the pulpit and in the bulletin.

As Fr. says, it can take 1-2 years to build relationships with the priests.  Once these relationships are in place the priest may become more courageous in " preaching doctrine on sexuality " .  He could promote classes in the parish by the laity on the various methods of family planning that are accepted by the Church.

Peggy

 

Presuming that you had this information night, who would do the instructing and what would be taught?  Would the evening end with the priests thinking that NaproTechnology is what his parish needs, or Billings, or STM, or the ClearBlu system, or ecological breastfeeding, or the two-day method, or the bead method? 

 

I suggest that what priests need to do from the pulpit is to teach those who are still coming to Church what it means to be a believing and practicing Catholic.  Why should someone believe the teaching of Humanae Vitae unless s/he first believes that the same Holy Spirit who guided the apostles at the proto-council of Jerusalem and the bishops at Nicea still guides the Church?

 

I suggest that almost every priest in almost every parish can lead his parishioners to a greater level of faith simply by preaching on what Jesus did and said at the last Supper.  For example, confirming as the leader who has the responsibility to strengthening his brethren in the faith.  And how can anyone who understands the Great Commandment think that s/he knows all about married love just because s/he knows how to take care of concupiscence?  My point is that what is really lacking is not NFP information but faith.  In the context of faith, HV with its sometimes daily cross makes Christian common sense.  Without faith, we have our current situation. 

 

And as to objections about celibate priests etc., the priest who expects to lead people to believe HV needs to let people know that it was presumably celibate priests who led the dissent movement and that the dissent movement has demonstrated that it cannot say a firm NO to any imaginable behavior by consenting persons who have reached the age of consent.  (The Scandal of 2002 was utterly no surprise to those who knew what was being taught in most of our seminaries since the mid-Sixties.)  And it needs to be brought out that the NFP movement has been led by married men and women, not by celibate priests. 

 

If  bishops and priests want to have some appreciation dinners, why not start with volunteer NFP teachers who continue to persevere in the face of massive indifference?

 

Kippley

www.battle-scarred.info

 

 

 

RE: Supporting Priests who Preach about Contraception from the Pulpit

 

To The priests: If we gave a priest appeciation dinner, or information night for prieststo eductae them on pro-life, NFP, etc. How would we structure the evening sio busy priests would be enthusiatic to come?  Paddy Jim Baggot MD 

[Guest guest]

Another important factor to include for the priests is the effectiveness of NFP, and the Church's teaching on medical problems dealing with infertility, female reproductive problems, etc.  Most priests are faced with the statement " but my doctor told me that I had to use birth control "   because 1) it is for a medical problem, or 2) I need a treatment that requires an effective method because of possible birth defects.  Most priests I know are not i formed enough to feel like they can counter the argument of what a physician has said it must be done.  Priests need to be able to tell parishioners not only what Church teaching is, but  the importance of following Church teaching in these areas and that there are in fact licit alternatives that are effective when pregnancy needs to be avoided, or female reproductive issues need to be addressed.  I know of many priests who, simply because they did not have enough information, told parishioners that they supposed it was okay to use birth control or get sterilized if the doctor said that they needed to do it. 

Pam in El Paso

 

,You raise a good question about what to say to priests at an information night.  I can't help but think that most priests would show some discomfort at hearing about the details of the various NFP methods (does he really need to hear about the various signs of ovulation or ecological breastfeeding?).  Rather, as you say below, Catholics in the pews would do well to hear what it means to be a practicing Catholic.  The morality of marital sexuality, why the Church is opposed to contraception, what is Humanae Vitae?  These are in line with the priest's function.  Contacts for information on various NFP methods can be included in the church bulletin.  Dates and times for classes for parish couples can be announced from the pulpit and in the bulletin.

As Fr. says, it can take 1-2 years to build relationships with the priests.  Once these relationships are in place the priest may become more courageous in " preaching doctrine on sexuality " .  He could promote classes in the parish by the laity on the various methods of family planning that are accepted by the Church.

Peggy

 

Presuming that you had this information night, who would do the instructing and what would be taught?  Would the evening end with the priests thinking that NaproTechnology is what his parish needs, or Billings, or STM, or the ClearBlu system, or ecological breastfeeding, or the two-day method, or the bead method? 

 

I suggest that what priests need to do from the pulpit is to teach those who are still coming to Church what it means to be a believing and practicing Catholic.  Why should someone believe the teaching of Humanae Vitae unless s/he first believes that the same Holy Spirit who guided the apostles at the proto-council of Jerusalem and the bishops at Nicea still guides the Church?

 

I suggest that almost every priest in almost every parish can lead his parishioners to a greater level of faith simply by preaching on what Jesus did and said at the last Supper.  For example, confirming as the leader who has the responsibility to strengthening his brethren in the faith.  And how can anyone who understands the Great Commandment think that s/he knows all about married love just because s/he knows how to take care of concupiscence?  My point is that what is really lacking is not NFP information but faith.  In the context of faith, HV with its sometimes daily cross makes Christian common sense.  Without faith, we have our current situation. 

 

And as to objections about celibate priests etc., the priest who expects to lead people to believe HV needs to let people know that it was presumably celibate priests who led the dissent movement and that the dissent movement has demonstrated that it cannot say a firm NO to any imaginable behavior by consenting persons who have reached the age of consent.  (The Scandal of 2002 was utterly no surprise to those who knew what was being taught in most of our seminaries since the mid-Sixties.)  And it needs to be brought out that the NFP movement has been led by married men and women, not by celibate priests. 

 

If  bishops and priests want to have some appreciation dinners, why not start with volunteer NFP teachers who continue to persevere in the face of massive indifference?

 

Kippley

www.battle-scarred.info

 

 

 

RE: Supporting Priests who Preach about Contraception from the Pulpit

 

To The priests: If we gave a priest appeciation dinner, or information night for prieststo eductae them on pro-life, NFP, etc. How would we structure the evening sio busy priests would be enthusiatic to come?  Paddy Jim Baggot MD 

[Guest guest]

Right Pam it is a whole corrupt culture or web of folks involved the at the level of the contracepting woman, which is why I have always thought evangelical or apostolic teams, involving priest, doctor, NFP teacher, nurse, etc., all faith-filled but informed too, must be deployed. That's also what Fr. Dan McCaffrey does at his missions in the parishes, i.e., holds an advertised medical seminar right after all the Masses. He announces the seminar while preaching at the masses, so that all who might satisfy themselves that the "Church is scientifically and medically behind the times and living in the stone ages" will have their confidence in this false rationalization scheme shattered, for their own good.

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Re: Supporting Priests who Preach about Contraception from the Pulpit

Another important factor to include for the priests is the effectiveness of NFP, and the Church's teaching on medical problems dealing with infertility, female reproductive problems, etc. Most priests are faced with the statement "but my doctor told me that I had to use birth control" because 1) it is for a medical problem, or 2) I need a treatment that requires an effective method because of possible birth defects. Most priests I know are not i formed enough to feel like they can counter the argument of what a physician has said it must be done. Priests need to be able to tell parishioners not only what Church teaching is, but the importance of following Church teaching in these areas and that there are in fact licit alternatives that are effective when pregnancy needs to be avoided, or female reproductive issues need to be addressed. I know of many priests who, simply because they did not have enough information, told parishioners that they supposed it was okay to use birth control or get sterilized if the doctor said that they needed to do it.

Pam in El Paso

,

You raise a good question about what to say to priests at an information night. I can't help but think that most priests would show some discomfort at hearing about the details of the various NFP methods (does he really need to hear about the various signs of ovulation or ecological breastfeeding?). Rather, as you say below, Catholics in the pews would do well to hear what it means to be a practicing Catholic. The morality of marital sexuality, why the Church is opposed to contraception, what is Humanae Vitae? These are in line with the priest's function. Contacts for information on various NFP methods can be included in the church bulletin. Dates and times for classes for parish couples can be announced from the pulpit and in the bulletin.

As Fr. says, it can take 1-2 years to build relationships with the priests. Once these relationships are in place the priest may become more courageous in "preaching doctrine on sexuality". He could promote classes in the parish by the laity on the various methods of family planning that are accepted by the Church.

Peggy

Presuming that you had this information night, who would do the instructing and what would be taught? Would the evening end with the priests thinking that NaproTechnology is what his parish needs, or Billings, or STM, or the ClearBlu system, or ecological breastfeeding, or the two-day method, or the bead method?

I suggest that what priests need to do from the pulpit is to teach those who are still coming to Church what it means to be a believing and practicing Catholic. Why should someone believe the teaching of Humanae Vitae unless s/he first believes that the same Holy Spirit who guided the apostles at the proto-council of Jerusalem and the bishops at Nicea still guides the Church?

I suggest that almost every priest in almost every parish can lead his parishioners to a greater level of faith simply by preaching on what Jesus did and said at the last Supper. For example, confirming as the leader who has the responsibility to strengthening his brethren in the faith. And how can anyone who understands the Great Commandment think that s/he knows all about married love just because s/he knows how to take care of concupiscence? My point is that what is really lacking is not NFP information but faith. In the context of faith, HV with its sometimes daily cross makes Christian common sense. Without faith, we have our current situation.

And as to objections about celibate priests etc., the priest who expects to lead people to believe HV needs to let people know that it was presumably celibate priests who led the dissent movement and that the dissent movement has demonstrated that it cannot say a firm NO to any imaginable behavior by consenting persons who have reached the age of consent. (The Scandal of 2002 was utterly no surprise to those who knew what was being taught in most of our seminaries since the mid-Sixties.) And it needs to be brought out that the NFP movement has been led by married men and women, not by celibate priests.

If bishops and priests want to have some appreciation dinners, why not start with volunteer NFP teachers who continue to persevere in the face of massive indifference?

Kippley

www.battle-scarred.info

RE: Supporting Priests who Preach about Contraception from the Pulpit

To The priests:

If we gave a priest appeciation dinner, or information night for priests

to eductae them on pro-life, NFP, etc.

How would we structure the evening sio busy priests would be enthusiatic to come?

Paddy Jim Baggot MD

[Guest guest]

Am I wrong in thinking that we should not expect the typical priest to be the medical expert, but only the morality expert? This is just the scenario where he should have resources at his fingertips like listings of NFP doctors and providers. You are right; I think this is where priests start to grant "permission" for the "tough" cases, because he hasn't been taught all of these matters of expertise and shouldn't be pushed into the corner of having to know. That is an added burden to him and exactly the time when educated and fervent laity should get involved. If he is convicted of the Church's message and mission then he would trust that there would be answer available. This conviction and trust is where I pray the Holy Spirit is working and will work.Penny on

Another important factor to include for the priests is the effectiveness of NFP, and the Church's teaching on medical problems dealing with infertility, female reproductive problems, etc. Most priests are faced with the statement "but my doctor told me that I had to use birth control" because 1) it is for a medical problem, or 2) I need a treatment that requires an effective method because of possible birth defects. Most priests I know are not i formed enough to feel like they can counter the argument of what a physician has said it must be done. Priests need to be able to tell parishioners not only what Church teaching is, but the importance of following Church teaching in these areas and that there are in fact licit alternatives that are effective when pregnancy needs to be avoided, or female reproductive issues need to be addressed. I know of many priests who, simply because they did not have enough information, told parishioners that they supposed it was okay to use birth control or get sterilized if the doctor said that they needed to do it.

Pam in El Paso

,You raise a good question about what to say to priests at an information night. I can't help but think that most priests would show some discomfort at hearing about the details of the various NFP methods (does he really need to hear about the various signs of ovulation or ecological breastfeeding?). Rather, as you say below, Catholics in the pews would do well to hear what it means to be a practicing Catholic. The morality of marital sexuality, why the Church is opposed to contraception, what is Humanae Vitae? These are in line with the priest's function. Contacts for information on various NFP methods can be included in the church bulletin. Dates and times for classes for parish couples can be announced from the pulpit and in the bulletin.

As Fr. says, it can take 1-2 years to build relationships with the priests. Once these relationships are in place the priest may become more courageous in "preaching doctrine on sexuality". He could promote classes in the parish by the laity on the various methods of family planning that are accepted by the Church.

Peggy

Presuming that you had this information night, who would do the instructing and what would be taught? Would the evening end with the priests thinking that NaproTechnology is what his parish needs, or Billings, or STM, or the ClearBlu system, or ecological breastfeeding, or the two-day method, or the bead method?

I suggest that what priests need to do from the pulpit is to teach those who are still coming to Church what it means to be a believing and practicing Catholic. Why should someone believe the teaching of Humanae Vitae unless s/he first believes that the same Holy Spirit who guided the apostles at the proto-council of Jerusalem and the bishops at Nicea still guides the Church?

I suggest that almost every priest in almost every parish can lead his parishioners to a greater level of faith simply by preaching on what Jesus did and said at the last Supper. For example, confirming as the leader who has the responsibility to strengthening his brethren in the faith. And how can anyone who understands the Great Commandment think that s/he knows all about married love just because s/he knows how to take care of concupiscence? My point is that what is really lacking is not NFP information but faith. In the context of faith, HV with its sometimes daily cross makes Christian common sense. Without faith, we have our current situation.

And as to objections about celibate priests etc., the priest who expects to lead people to believe HV needs to let people know that it was presumably celibate priests who led the dissent movement and that the dissent movement has demonstrated that it cannot say a firm NO to any imaginable behavior by consenting persons who have reached the age of consent. (The Scandal of 2002 was utterly no surprise to those who knew what was being taught in most of our seminaries since the mid-Sixties.) And it needs to be brought out that the NFP movement has been led by married men and women, not by celibate priests.

If bishops and priests want to have some appreciation dinners, why not start with volunteer NFP teachers who continue to persevere in the face of massive indifference?

Kippley

www.battle-scarred.info

RE: Supporting Priests who Preach about Contraception from the Pulpit

To The priests: If we gave a priest appeciation dinner, or information night for prieststo eductae them on pro-life, NFP, etc. How would we structure the evening sio busy priests would be enthusiatic to come? Paddy Jim Baggot MD