Re: not adding our own opinions and TWO other items

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Please forgive a very late newcomer adding a comment here about persevering with Eco-BF; I find my situation fascinating medically. I Eco-BFed my first w/o knowing what was going on. We were in the military, and isolated, so I just did what came naturally, napping included. I later learned about the science behind it with Sheila Kippley's books, and went on to Eco-BFeed 4 young ones. I remain amazed at the BFeeding amenorrhea., never setting any goals for it, just desiring the closeness at the breast. Babies #6 and #7 sadly had me with low milk supply due to my new low thyroid; their weight losses indicated supplementing and it was not able to be done with my pumped milk. I used formula and a supplementer

(Lact-Aid) at the breast for the entire nursing duration ( somewhat a headache at times ) because I wanted the closeness that I had with the other 4 at the breast. There was something missing for me using a bottle, so I persevered to have this closeness, even using the supplementer @ naps. With the oldest @ 28 years now, and the youngest at 10, I am every bit as close to each of them with the breastfeeding memories. I know this seems extreme, even to me at times, but I have no regrets. My fascination is how I also went w/o cycles for at least 12 months for both, using the supplementer, but was not doing this to get any child spacing. I only would realize it when the cycles returned because that was not any goal. Baby #5 bit me a lot and I used a bottle a lot starting at six months. I only had 6-7 months of amenorrhea for this situation; cycles returned quickly with those

first bottles. Sadly, the nursing memories here are absent and I do grieve for them still! Thanks to all for this exchange and this NFP yahoogroup concept! Ann,RN / NFPIntnl.

[Guest guest]

Ann what a stirring story. Thanks!! Ideally, the amenorrhea is the by-product not the immediate goal, as you have said. The immediate goal is indeed the mother-child closeness, as the Scriptures, Popes, doctors, theologians, and experts in humanity have repeatedly stated. Good things do then come though, because we serve an awesome and merciful God who sees to it in advance, through the somewhat hidden inner workings of nature (the physiology of lactational amenorrhea for instance isn't 100% and precisely understood yet), that there are unexpected rewards in life when we follow his promptings, especially those promptings of nature towards which He has given us strong inclinations.

As an anecdote, I can remember being amazed at my wife having a mini let-down reflex when the babies were very young ("JJ's about to wake up" she would say), every time the baby was about to wake up and need nursing, even though there had been not the slightest peep or sound to detect. Clearly there is some internal sensor, clock, or hidden kind of (mysterious?) communication that takes place here that should inspire our awe and reverence.

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

(office)

(cell)

(FAX)

pedullad@...

"It is an indisputable fact that the Christian faith, from its origins, did not want to be only an idea, that it entered into the world endowed with institutional elements (apostolic function, apostolic succession) and that, therefore, the institutional form of the Church belongs by essence to the faith." (Cardinal ph Ratzinger, December 30, in "La Croix.")

Re: not adding our own opinions and TWO other items

Please forgive a very late newcomer adding a comment here about persevering with Eco-BF; I find my situation fascinating medically. I Eco-BFed my first w/o knowing what was going on. We were in the military, and isolated, so I just did what came naturally, napping included. I later learned about the science behind it with Sheila Kippley's books, and went on to Eco-BFeed 4 young ones. I remain amazed at the BFeeding amenorrhea., never setting any goals for it, just desiring the closeness at the breast.

Babies #6 and #7 sadly had me with low milk supply due to my new low thyroid; their weight losses indicated supplementing and it was not able to be done with my pumped milk. I used formula and a supplementer

(Lact-Aid) at the breast for the entire nursing duration ( somewhat a headache at times ) because I wanted the closeness that I had with the other 4 at the breast. There was something missing for me using a bottle, so I persevered to have this closeness, even using the supplementer @ naps. With the oldest @ 28 years now, and the youngest at 10, I am every bit as close to each of them with the breastfeeding memories. I know this seems extreme, even to me at times, but I have no regrets.

My fascination is how I also went w/o cycles for at least 12 months for both, using the supplementer, but was not doing this to get any child spacing. I only would realize it when the cycles returned because that was not any goal. Baby #5 bit me a lot and I used a bottle a lot starting at six months. I only had 6-7 months of amenorrhea for this situation; cycles returned quickly with those

first bottles. Sadly, the nursing memories here are absent and I do grieve for them still!

Thanks to all for this exchange and this NFP yahoogroup concept! Ann,RN / NFPIntnl.

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I agree this is a moving story.  I know a patient who stopped taking oral contraceptives after uninterrupted use for 9 years.  She and her husband went through private NFP counseling.  However, 11 months post OC cessation, she is anovulatory and without menses.  She is 28 years old and healthy.

What is your experience with young women who are anovulatory secondary to oral contraceptives (she was started on them for PCOS)? What is the average

time for ovulation and menses to return post cessation of oral contraceptives ?What is your experience with the effectiveness of Clomid and subsequent pregnancy in these situations?Peggy, RN

 

Ann what a stirring story. Thanks!! Ideally, the amenorrhea is the by-product not the immediate goal, as you have said. The immediate goal is indeed the mother-child closeness, as the Scriptures, Popes, doctors, theologians, and experts in humanity have repeatedly stated. Good things do then come though, because we serve an awesome and merciful God who sees to it in advance, through the somewhat hidden inner workings of nature (the physiology of lactational amenorrhea for instance isn't 100% and precisely understood yet), that there are unexpected rewards in life when we follow his promptings, especially those promptings of nature towards which He has given us strong inclinations.

As an anecdote, I can remember being amazed at my wife having a mini let-down reflex when the babies were very young ( " JJ's about to wake up " she would say), every time the baby was about to wake up and need nursing, even though there had been not the slightest peep or sound to detect. Clearly there is some internal sensor, clock, or hidden kind of (mysterious?) communication that takes place here that should inspire our awe and reverence. 

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

(office)

(cell)

(FAX)

pedullad@...

" It is an indisputable fact that the Christian faith, from its origins, did not want to be only an idea, that it entered into the world endowed with institutional elements (apostolic function, apostolic succession) and that, therefore, the institutional form of the Church belongs by essence to the faith. " (Cardinal ph Ratzinger, December 30, in " La Croix. " )

Re: not adding our own opinions and TWO other items

 

     Please forgive a very late newcomer adding a comment here about persevering with Eco-BF; I find my situation fascinating medically.  I Eco-BFed my first w/o knowing what was going on.  We were in the military, and isolated, so I just did what came naturally, napping included.  I later learned about the science behind it with Sheila Kippley's books, and went on to Eco-BFeed  4 young ones.  I remain amazed at the BFeeding amenorrhea., never setting any goals for it,  just desiring the closeness at the breast. 

     Babies #6 and #7 sadly had me with low milk supply due to my new low thyroid; their weight losses indicated supplementing and it was not able to be done with my pumped milk.  I used formula and a supplementer

(Lact-Aid) at the breast for the entire nursing duration ( somewhat a headache at times ) because I wanted the closeness that I had with the other 4 at the breast.  There was something missing for me using a bottle, so I persevered to have this closeness, even using the supplementer @ naps.  With the oldest @ 28 years now, and the youngest at 10, I am every bit as close to each of  them with the breastfeeding memories.  I know this seems extreme, even to me at times, but I have no regrets.

      My fascination is how I also went w/o cycles for at least 12 months for both, using the supplementer, but was not doing this to get any child spacing. I only would realize it when the cycles returned because that was not any goal.   Baby #5 bit me a lot and I used a bottle a lot starting at six months.  I only had 6-7 months of amenorrhea for this situation; cycles returned quickly with those

first bottles.  Sadly, the nursing memories here are absent and I do grieve for them still! 

     Thanks to all for this exchange and this NFP yahoogroup concept!                           Ann,RN / NFPIntnl.

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Dominic,Thank you for your rapid response and very useful information.  I think the drugs you mention to lessen ovarian insulin resistance is appropriate, given the PCOS diagnosis and irregular menses prior to the start of OCP.

(I notice that you are a cardiologist.  I used us be a Cardiac Cath nurse, but mostly finished my career recently in IR).  Peggy

 

I can't answer about Clomid Peggy, which is a question better answered by the OB/GYNs, FPs, etc. But as regards failure to regain ovulatory function after cessation of OCPs it is more common, and lasts a bit longer I think, than the literature and medical consensus among OCP dispensing physicians would have us believe (they usually say around 3 months or less for the OCPs, and for Depo " up to " 18 months, but usually downplaying even this sad fact), and would be expected to be worse the older the woman is. So even when normal ovulatory function was established before starting the pill, the relatively powerful anabolic hormones in the pill can disrupt the hypothalamic-pituitary-ovarian axis for unpredictable and varying lengths of time. 

But all of this goes ditto if ovarian function and metabolism was abnormal to begin with.  PCOS is one of those conditions, and it is entirely possible that ovulatory function may not resume at all following OCP cessation in that case unless a medical intervention aimed at restoring normal ovarian function is given (like metformin or actos or some other drug to lessen ovarian insulin resistance).

I think might have some valuable info to add to this.

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

(office)

(cell)

(FAX)

pedullad@...

" It is an indisputable fact that the Christian faith, from its origins, did not want to be only an idea, that it entered into the world endowed with institutional elements (apostolic function, apostolic succession) and that, therefore, the institutional form of the Church belongs by essence to the faith. " (Cardinal ph Ratzinger, December 30, in " La Croix. " )

Re: not adding our own opinions and TWO other items

 

     Please forgive a very late newcomer adding a comment here about persevering with Eco-BF; I find my situation fascinating medically.  I Eco-BFed my first w/o knowing what was going on.  We were in the military, and isolated, so I just did what came naturally, napping included.  I later learned about the science behind it with Sheila Kippley's books, and went on to Eco-BFeed  4 young ones.  I remain amazed at the BFeeding amenorrhea., never setting any goals for it,  just desiring the closeness at the breast. 

     Babies #6 and #7 sadly had me with low milk supply due to my new low thyroid; their weight losses indicated supplementing and it was not able to be done with my pumped milk.  I used formula and a supplementer

(Lact-Aid) at the breast for the entire nursing duration ( somewhat a headache at times ) because I wanted the closeness that I had with the other 4 at the breast.  There was something missing for me using a bottle, so I persevered to have this closeness, even using the supplementer @ naps.  With the oldest @ 28 years now, and the youngest at 10, I am every bit as close to each of  them with the breastfeeding memories.  I know this seems extreme, even to me at times, but I have no regrets.

      My fascination is how I also went w/o cycles for at least 12 months for both, using the supplementer, but was not doing this to get any child spacing. I only would realize it when the cycles returned because that was not any goal.   Baby #5 bit me a lot and I used a bottle a lot starting at six months.  I only had 6-7 months of amenorrhea for this situation; cycles returned quickly with those

first bottles.  Sadly, the nursing memories here are absent and I do grieve for them still! 

     Thanks to all for this exchange and this NFP yahoogroup concept!                           Ann,RN / NFPIntnl.