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March 14, 2006

I was told that my side effects (muscle pain, memory deficits, hand

tremor, cataract worsening, possibly gum disease) were very unusual,

and was told to go to a heart-patient educational session. I had gone

once and got into a discussion with the presenter (a young

cardiologist) about the whole subject of cholesterol and statins, and

left him a copy of a Lipitor ad with the disclaimer that it didn't

prevent heart attacks. I don't know if he paid any attention or not, I

haven't been back. I can't afford the time to spend listening to stuff

I either already know or don't believe.

Linden

melissa@... wrote:

> Our 499th member to join the group was approved

> this morning. And... as she requested to join

> she made this statement.

>

> "I'm supposed to be taking Lipitor but discontinued

> it because of side effects. My doctor does not

> agree that Lipitor is the cause of the problems."

>

> How many others have heard the same thing from

> their doctors when complaining of the side effects

> that they were feeling?

>

> Would anyone like to comment on this statement

> or tell us the story of what your doctor told

> you when complained of the side effects of

> HIS/HER statin of choice.

>

Yes, they usually just shrug, but never suggest that the statin might

be the problem.

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March 15, 2006

When my husband had dreadful side effects from zocor in 1999 including a total immune system crash, both our doctors and our son who is a nurse practicioner, told me it just COULDN'T be the statin drug. (nevermind that two weeks after he stopped taking Zocor, he got well again and has not been ill since except minor colds). And at that time, I had no more evidence other than it compromised the cells right next to the immune cells in the liver. I reasoned that in those organs those cells are all inter-dependent on each other so it was logical that if the statin drugs compromised hepatocytes, they likely also compromised the neighboring immune system cells (in the liver). And of course, my logic didn't cut it with the medical profession. So I did a massive research on the studies and found lots of negative stuff but nothing about the immune system.

Until I saw about 4 years later, a major MS funded research USING Zocor as an IMMUNE SUPPRESSANT! That same year, I discovered on www.cancer.gov, the fact that statin drugs depleted the blood of coenzyme Q10, an enzyme which when synthesized, had been shown to kill cancer drugs in the petrie dish!

So today when a doc tells either my hubby or me that we should take a statin drug, I tell him/her about DH's experience and give the doc the following research paper which includes all the info including the MS society research project.... that usually is what is commonly known as "the perfect squelch" and we never hear another word about the statin drugs.

Sue --- research paper follows:

The statin drugs (Lipitor, Zocor et al) caused cancer in the rat studies EVEN WHEN GIVEN IN THE SAME DOSAGE AS USUALLY PRESCRIBED TO HUMANS.The statin drugs are hard on the liver, undermining liver cells for their action. They also can cause muscle weakness and other side effects.Many people who have heart attacks HAVE NORMAL CHOLESTEROL LEVELS.The pharmaceutical companies have detailed profiles on what drugs doctors are prescribing and reward them for prescribing certain medications.

(See: http://suewidemark.com/drugcompaniesprofiles.htm )

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------CoEnzyme Q10 suppressed by statin drugs source www.cancer.gov (Jan 1 2003)----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Coenzyme Q10 is found naturally in the body. Lower blood levels of this coenzyme have been found in individuals with certain types of cancer.

Coenzyme Q10 was first identified in 1957. Its chemical structure was determined in 1958. Interest in coenzyme Q10 as a potential treatment for cancer began in 1961, when a deficiency of the enzyme was noted in the blood of cancer patients. Low blood levels of coenzyme Q10 have been found in patients with myeloma, lymphoma, and cancers of the breast, lung, prostate, pancreas, colon, kidney, and head and neck.

While coenzyme Q10 may show indirect anticancer activity through its effect(s) on the immune system, there is evidence to suggest that analogs of this compound can suppress cancer growth directly. Analogs of coenzyme Q10 have been shown to inhibit the proliferation of cancer cells in vitro and the growth of cancer cells transplanted into rats and mice.

Certain lipid-lowering drugs, such as the "statins" (lovastatin, pravastatin, and simvastatin) and gemfibrozil, as well as oral agents that lower blood sugar, such as glyburide and tolazamide, cause a decrease in serum levels of coenzyme Q10 and reduce the effects of coenzyme Q10 supplementation

The lowered levels of Coenzyme Q10 may be a major factor in the statins being a contributing factor to cancers.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Zocor tested as immuno-suppressant by the MS Society (Jan 10- 03)----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Oral drugs used to lower cholesterol, called statins, were shown in test tubes to INHIBIT IMMUNE RESPONSES of cells taken from individuals with MS. This study was previously reported by Dr Oliver Newhaus (Karl-Franzens-University at Graz, Austria) and colleagues at the April 2002 meeting of the American academy of Neurology, and now has been published in the October 8, 2002 issue of Neurology."

"Although statins were shown capable of INHIBITING SEVERAL DIFFERENT IMMUNE RESPONSES and markers of inflammations typically involved in MS, THEY ALSO STIMULATED THE RELEASE OF SOME PROTEINS KNOWN TO **INCREASE** inflammation."

"Clinical trials will be necessary to determine whether statin drugs may benefit individuals with MS. There is already one small-scale trial of ZOCOR under way in 32 people who have relapsing-remitting MS. This trial is taking place at the Medical University of South Carolina (ton), in Yale University (New Haven, CT) and at the U of Colorado Health Sciences Center (Denver). Other studies are under consideration at this time."

Source: "MS Connection", Fall 2002www.nationalmssociety.org

------------------------------------------------------------------------New trial shows 25 percent higher incidence of cancer in those taking statin drugs (2-2003)---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------A trial which randomized over 5000 at risk elderly patients over a 3 year period (double blind, placebo controlled) showed a 25 percent greater incidence of cancer in those patients taking Pravacol (Pravastatin).

The researcher called this "probably chance" since the statin drugs are "so safe" (?) a conclusion I find it difficult to understand - all the rat trials showed a high incidence of cancer, so this increased incidence in the trial seems a no brainer to me! A physician not a part of the research did say that they should "watch" and see if this shows up again. (Obviously he didn't quite buy the "chance" theory!)

Dr Shephard - study reported at opening session of the American Heart Assoc, 2003source: "Internal Medicine News" - Vol 36, no. 3, Feb 1, 2003 (newspaper for physicians)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------NO DIFFERENCE in mortality rates from heart attacks------------------------------------------------------------------------------JAMA; Chicago; Dec 18, 2002; Curt D Furberg; T Jr; Barry R ; A Cutler; et al;

The Journal of the American Medical Association, Volume: 288, Issue: 23

Conclusions Pravastatin did not reduce either all-cause mortality or CHD significantly when compared with usual care in older participants with well-controlled hypertension and moderately elevated LDL-C. The results may be due to the modest differential in total cholesterol (9.6%) and LDL-C (16.7%) between pravastatin and usual care compared with prior statin trials supporting cardiovascular disease prevention.

This study showed a slightly higher number of cancer deaths in the Prevastatin patients (163) as compared to those not taking the drug. Also, there was a higher incidence of those who came down with cancer in the statin group (but did not die from it).

------------------------------------------Got lung cancer?----------------------------------------- The owner of the following website feels he got lung cancer from lipitor and he also includes a link to an AMA article showing for one thing that ALL the statins caused cancer in the rats, even in doses similar to what is given to humans. The article writer pointed out that since there may be a span of 20 years between starting the drug and the side effect of cancer, it's hard to pinpoint it as a risk. However, seems I've gotten letters from folks who got cancer within months of taking those drugs and of course, these drugs caused a total immune system breakdown in my husband that might have lead to cancer. http://www.captainclark.com/Pages/lipitorhorror.html

Want to comment on this statement?

> Our 499th member to join the group was approved> this morning. And... as she requested to join> she made this statement.> > "I'm supposed to be taking Lipitor but discontinued > it because of side effects. My doctor does not > agree that Lipitor is the cause of the problems."> > How many others have heard the same thing from> their doctors when complaining of the side effects> that they were feeling?> > Would anyone like to comment on this statement> or tell us the story of what your doctor told> you when complained of the side effects of> HIS/HER statin of choice.> > Ed - Owner of the group>

March 15, 2006

Until I saw about 4 years later, a major MS funded research USING Zocor as an IMMUNE SUPPRESSANT! That same year, I discovered on www.cancer.gov, the fact that statin drugs depleted the blood of coenzyme Q10, an enzyme which when synthesized, had been shown to kill cancer drugs in the petrie dish!

This is interesting. I only took Zocor for 6 weeks starting beg. of December, and since having awful side effects and stopping it I've had one virus after another. I have'nt felt well since. Usually I have one or maybe two colds a year, but never one thing after the other like now. I'm feeling so run down and hoping that I'll feel better when the weather gets warmer.

Look at all the side effects of statins on this group alone, we all can't be wrong.

March 15, 2006

http://www.danactive.com/"Helps strengthen the body's defenses", so we can take Rx drugs that could kill us. :-}But seriously, the stuff has been available in the grocery store here, along with the yogurt, and they charge the same price for it.I'm also hoping they can come out with some kind of gluathione product like that in the future, at a regular price. The stuff is prohibitively expensive now.Glutathione is an immune booster and guess where it's found? Raw milk. But when they started pasteurizing the milk, it destroyed it!I asked some milk producers about this awhile back and they said that on the farm they drink raw milk and they and their kids stay really healthy. How amazing, eh?

Thanks for that, . You know, I've often wondered how pasturising may alter milk, especially when it is skimmed or non fat. Most of our food seems to be processed in some way and then have vitamins added, rather than leave it as nature intended it to be:)

susan

March 15, 2006

,

I've read that pasturizing milk started this major epidemic of younger adults with atherosclerosis. They started to notice this when the soldiers were returning deceased from Vietnam. So, guys in their late teens and early 20's!

Pasteurizing kills the enzymes that are in milk, in order to digest the milk. That's one reason there is so much lactose intolerance also. There is a site called rawmilk.com that has good information all about raw milk vs pasteurized. The fact that our foods are actually so calcium enriched..like even orange juice or something has calcium enrichment..leads to a deficiency of magnesium, as the supposed good ratio of cal to mag should be 2:1. Most of us prefer foods that are higher in calcium also, over mag foods.

Magnesium is very important for relaxing the heart and regulating the heart beat, along with potassium and calcium. I've been planning to buy a mag supplement that is separate from calcium, as when I had my bypass in Dec..they had to give me magnesium through an IV, along with potassium.

Lor

Thanks for that, . You know, I've often wondered how pasturising may alter milk, especially when it is skimmed or non fat. Most of our food seems to be processed in some way and then have vitamins added, rather than leave it as nature intended it to be:)

susan

March 15, 2006

> When my husband had dreadful side effects from zocor in 1999 including

> a total immune system crash, both our doctors and our son who is a

> nurse practicioner, told me it just COULDN'T be the statin drug.

You know, I was wondering about that too. For the last few years I've

been getting 3-4 upper respiratory infections per year and they

required me to get expensive antibiotics from the doctor.

They started as a slightly sore throat then moved into the sinuses and the upper

bronchial area from there, coughing up yellow globs. It wouldn't go away without

the antibiotics, until I stared using Danactive, then it did.

Could it be from the statins?!

> (nevermind that two weeks after he stopped taking Zocor, he got well

> again and has not been ill since except minor colds). And at that

> time, I had no more evidence other than it compromised the cells right

> next to the immune cells in the liver. I reasoned that in those organs

> those cells are all inter-dependent on each other so it was logical

> that if the statin drugs compromised hepatocytes, they likely also

> compromised the neighboring immune system cells (in the liver). And of

> course, my logic didn't cut it with the medical profession. So I did

> a massive research on the studies and found lots of negative stuff but

> nothing about the immune system.

>

> Until I saw about 4 years later, a major MS funded research USING

> Zocor as an IMMUNE SUPPRESSANT! That same year, I discovered on

> www.cancer.gov, the fact that statin drugs depleted the blood of

> coenzyme Q10, an enzyme which when synthesized, had been shown to kill

> cancer drugs in the petrie dish!

No kidding? Cool, I just started taking it.

Here's a referenced article that even claims to link statins with

cancer, and it's not the only one on the web:

http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/cardiac/statcanc.html

and

http://www.captainclark.com/Pages/lipitorhorror.html

" The Statin Drugs are the most carcinogenic medications ever approved

for large scale public consumption by the FDA. The subcommittee of the

FDA tasked with review of these drugs back in 1995 voted 9 to 3 AGAINST

approval, due to the carcinogenicity, but the vote was considered

" advisory " and the FDA ignored the recommendation of it's own

subcommittee and approved the statins for mass consumption anyway.

During testimony before the subcommittee, the only witnesses speaking

for or against approval were the drug company representatives - no

public advocates were present and the subcommittee members expressed

strong concerns for the carcinogenic potential of this class of drugs.

Additionally, the carcinogenic potential was presented by the drug

company representatives in a deceptive and confusing manner.

In a " Special Communication " to the American Medical Association (AMA),

as published in the January 1996 issue of the Journal of the American

Medical Association (JAMA), two respected researchers from the

University of California San Francisco (UCSF) exposed this horrific

potential to the membership of the american medical community. After

some difficulty I was able to locate this report and the full text can

be accessed by clicking here.

The UCSF report pointed out, among other things, that:

* Based on rodent studies, which are normally clear indicators of

human carcinogenicity, the Statins are the most carcinogenic drugs ever

approved for wide scale human consumption

* The Statins are proven carcinogenic in rodents at dosage levels

very near those prescribed for humans "

> So today when a doc tells either my hubby or me that we should take a

> statin drug, I tell him/her about DH's experience and give the doc the

> following research paper which includes all the info including the MS

> society research project.... that usually is what is commonly known as

> " the perfect squelch " and we never hear another word about the statin

> drugs.

>

> Sue --- research paper follows:

>

> The statin drugs (Lipitor, Zocor et al) caused cancer in the rat

> studies EVEN WHEN GIVEN IN THE SAME DOSAGE AS USUALLY PRESCRIBED TO

> HUMANS.

> The statin drugs are hard on the liver, undermining liver cells for

> their action. They also can cause muscle weakness and other side

> effects.

> Many people who have heart attacks HAVE NORMAL CHOLESTEROL LEVELS.

> The pharmaceutical companies have detailed profiles on what drugs

> doctors are prescribing and reward them for prescribing certain

> medications.

>

> (See: http://suewidemark.com/drugcompaniesprofiles.htm )

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> ------------------------------------------------

> CoEnzyme Q10 suppressed by statin drugs source www.cancer.gov (Jan 1

> 2003)

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> ------------------------------------------------

>

> Coenzyme Q10 is found naturally in the body. Lower blood levels of

> this coenzyme have been found in individuals with certain types of

> cancer.

>

> Coenzyme Q10 was first identified in 1957. Its chemical structure was

> determined in 1958. Interest in coenzyme Q10 as a potential treatment

> for cancer began in 1961, when a deficiency of the enzyme was noted in

> the blood of cancer patients. Low blood levels of coenzyme Q10 have

> been found in patients with myeloma, lymphoma, and cancers of the

> breast, lung, prostate, pancreas, colon, kidney, and head and neck.

>

> While coenzyme Q10 may show indirect anticancer activity through its

> effect(s) on the immune system, there is evidence to suggest that

> analogs of this compound can suppress cancer growth directly. Analogs

> of coenzyme Q10 have been shown to inhibit the proliferation of cancer

> cells in vitro and the growth of cancer cells transplanted into rats

> and mice.

>

> Certain lipid-lowering drugs, such as the " statins " (lovastatin,

> pravastatin, and simvastatin) and gemfibrozil, as well as oral agents

> that lower blood sugar, such as glyburide and tolazamide, cause a

> decrease in serum levels of coenzyme Q10 and reduce the effects of

> coenzyme Q10 supplementation

>

> http://www.cancer.gov/cancerinfo/pdq/cam/coenzymeQ10

>

> The lowered levels of Coenzyme Q10 may be a major factor in the

> statins being a contributing factor to cancers.

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> ------------------------------

> Zocor tested as immuno-suppressant by the MS Society (Jan 10- 03)

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> ------------------------------

>

> " Oral drugs used to lower cholesterol, called statins, were shown in

> test tubes to INHIBIT IMMUNE RESPONSES of cells taken from individuals

> with MS. This study was previously reported by Dr Oliver Newhaus

> (Karl-Franzens-University at Graz, Austria) and colleagues at the

> April 2002 meeting of the American academy of Neurology, and now has

> been published in the October 8, 2002 issue of Neurology. "

>

> " Although statins were shown capable of INHIBITING SEVERAL DIFFERENT

> IMMUNE RESPONSES and markers of inflammations typically involved in

> MS, THEY ALSO STIMULATED THE RELEASE OF SOME PROTEINS KNOWN TO

> **INCREASE** inflammation. "

>

> " Clinical trials will be necessary to determine whether statin drugs

> may benefit individuals with MS. There is already one small-scale

> trial of ZOCOR under way in 32 people who have relapsing-remitting MS.

> This trial is taking place at the Medical University of South Carolina

> (ton), in Yale University (New Haven, CT) and at the U of

> Colorado Health Sciences Center (Denver). Other studies are under

> consideration at this time. "

>

> Source: " MS Connection " , Fall 2002

> www.nationalmssociety.org

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> --

> New trial shows 25 percent higher incidence of cancer in those taking

> statin drugs (2-2003)

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> -----------------

> A trial which randomized over 5000 at risk elderly patients over a 3

> year period (double blind, placebo controlled) showed a 25 percent

> greater incidence of cancer in those patients taking Pravacol

> (Pravastatin).

>

> The researcher called this " probably chance " since the statin drugs

> are " so safe " (?) a conclusion I find it difficult to understand - all

> the rat trials showed a high incidence of cancer, so this increased

> incidence in the trial seems a no brainer to me! A physician not a

> part of the research did say that they should " watch " and see if this

> shows up again. (Obviously he didn't quite buy the " chance " theory!)

>

> Dr Shephard - study reported at opening session of the American

> Heart Assoc, 2003

> source: " Internal Medicine News " - Vol 36, no. 3, Feb 1, 2003

> (newspaper for physicians)

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> ------

> NO DIFFERENCE in mortality rates from heart attacks

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> --------

> JAMA; Chicago; Dec 18, 2002; Curt D Furberg; T Jr;

> Barry R ; A Cutler; et al;

>

> The Journal of the American Medical Association, Volume: 288, Issue:

> 23

>

> Conclusions Pravastatin did not reduce either all-cause mortality or

> CHD significantly when compared with usual care in older participants

> with well-controlled hypertension and moderately elevated LDL-C. The

> results may be due to the modest differential in total cholesterol

> (9.6%) and LDL-C (16.7%) between pravastatin and usual care compared

> with prior statin trials supporting cardiovascular disease

> prevention.

>

> This study showed a slightly higher number of cancer deaths in the

> Prevastatin patients (163) as compared to those not taking the drug.

> Also, there was a higher incidence of those who came down with cancer

> in the statin group (but did not die from it).

>

> ------------------------------------------

> Got lung cancer?

> -----------------------------------------

>

> The owner of the following website feels he got lung cancer from

> lipitor and he also includes a link to an AMA article showing for one

> thing that ALL the statins caused cancer in the rats, even in doses

> similar to what is given to humans. The article writer pointed out

> that since there may be a span of 20 years between starting the drug

> and the side effect of cancer, it's hard to pinpoint it as a risk.

> However, seems I've gotten letters from folks who got cancer within

> months of taking those drugs and of course, these drugs caused a total

> immune system breakdown in my husband that might have lead to cancer.

>

> http://www.captainclark.com/Pages/lipitorhorror.html

>

> Want to comment on this statement?

>

> > Our 499th member to join the group was approved

> > this morning. And... as she requested to join

> > she made this statement.

> >

> > " I'm supposed to be taking Lipitor but discontinued

> > it because of side effects. My doctor does not

> > agree that Lipitor is the cause of the problems. "

> >

> > How many others have heard the same thing from

> > their doctors when complaining of the side effects

> > that they were feeling?

> >

> > Would anyone like to comment on this statement

> > or tell us the story of what your doctor told

> > you when complained of the side effects of

> > HIS/HER statin of choice.

> >

> > Ed - Owner of the group

> >

>

Yours In Liberty, - Colorado, U.S.A.

Member Libertarian Party USA and LPCO

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March 15, 2006

>

> In a message dated 15/03/2006 09:28:27 GMT Standard Time,

> gswidemark@...

> writes:

>

> Until I saw about 4 years later, a major MS funded research USING

> Zocor as

> an IMMUNE SUPPRESSANT! That same year, I discovered on

> _www.cancer.gov_

> (http://www.cancer.gov/) , the fact that statin drugs depleted the

> blood of

> coenzyme Q10, an enzyme which when synthesized, had been shown to

> kill cancer drugs

> in the petrie dish!

>

> This is interesting. I only took Zocor for 6 weeks starting beg. of

> December, and since having awful side effects and stopping it I've

> had one virus

> after another. I have'nt felt well since. Usually I have one or

> maybe two

> colds a year, but never one thing after the other like now. I'm

> feeling so

> run down and hoping that I'll feel better when the weather gets

> warmer.

> Look at all the side effects of statins on this group alone, we all

> can't be

> wrong.

>

You might try some Danactive, that helped me.

" Helps strengthen the body's defenses " , so we can take Rx drugs that

could kill us. :-}

But seriously, the stuff has been available in the grocery store here,

along with the yogurt, and they charge the same price for it.

I'm also hoping they can come out with some kind of gluathione product

like that in the future, at a regular price. The stuff is prohibitively

expensive now.

Glutathione is an immune booster and guess where it's found? Raw milk.

But when they started pasteurizing the milk, it destroyed it!

I asked some milk producers about this awhile back and they said that

on the farm they drink raw milk and they and their kids stay really

healthy. How amazing, eh?

Yours In Liberty, - Colorado, U.S.A.

Member Libertarian Party USA and LPCO

FREE PLANET EARTH NOW!:

Aerobic Self Defense Clubs of America