[ozband] Re: while I am on a roll! back to honeheke

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HI Honeheke, I am sorry you feel I was trying to stop the thread. It wasn't about stopping the thread, but about not wanting to put ideas into the minds of people who don't understand either the difficulty of fills or the danger of your suggestion. Most, though not all surgeons, bulk bill for fills and so patients don't have out of pocket expenses. It isn't about fees in most instances, though I can't speak for all surgeons here. The correct needle being used is also vital and these needles cost about $10.00 each. Personally, I am not qualified to do fills as a nurse. If there was an emergency for a fill removal, yes, I would be able to do it. However, the risks involved make me very hesitant to even attempt it. Puncturing the tubing or damaging the port would mean that the patient would need to have this part of the prosthesis replaced and

for some, this may even mean a complete new band. I am not prepared to take that risk on another patient. You don't realise the full impact of what you are suggesting, however we will have to agree to disagree on this subject. It is dangerous and we on this site do not condone any person doing their own fills. We actively discourage this and it has nothing to do with cost for us. An infection at your port site can potentially lead to an infected port and an infection travelling to the area of the band and if this happens, it will almost certainly eventuate in the removal of your band. We cannot stop people doing what they choose to do, but we can advise people against behaviour which is risky. This advice is simply advice. Your surgeon would be very much against this practice - whether they bulk bill or not. I am saying it again - we do not condone any patient attempting to fill their own bands. The implications and the potential damage you can do may be irreversible. Beverlee PS... I have consciously left the post at the end of this email While I respect youre opinion and your proported experience,of which I dont doubt! I find it a bit hard to understand why you would to stop the thread.Some maybe agast at the thought of sticking a needle in your self and some are not.I was not jokeing, and am thinking of training myself to do such a proceedure.It seems at this stage straight forward.If one obeys all the basic commonsence things like new correct equipment(paramount).Can feel the device and hold it still, have xrays of its positioning have read and studied all manuals of the device.There is no reason why It cant be done by self admin.I do agree that this shouldnt be taken lightly and

not atempted by just anyone as some maybe dont have the skill, but all skills can be taken up.Yes people develop addiction to weight loss and there are lots of things open to abuse in this day and age,that is the choice of an individuals mind, and all proceedures should not be taken lightly.But with the costs of all the fills andthe 200+ bucks one has to pay a doctor to put a few mils of saline in It would be worth it.I am sure as It (lap banding) evolves in due course it will be common to self admin this situation(and some wont be considering it) at this stage.One also have to take into acount locality ,if it is 3000k's from the nearest medical centre or if one is to busy to make it to one appointment then it is a must to consider doing this.It is put in by a surgeon for sure ,but it is not beyond us thinking of topping it up ourselves, and it has to at some stage be talked about.Or is it about doctors and nurses and the protection of their massive earnings and to

keep the poor paying for pills procedures ect

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Wowwwwww, fancy thinking about putting your own fill in. Gee, I have

a fully qualified general surgeon who does my fill and he still has

major problems getting my fill in. Just the reminder of the needle

head scrapping against the top of the port. ahhhh gives me goose

bumps.

I all into saying money but this is not one of them.

I need both hands to grab onto the bed to steady me..

Cheers

Kerry from Darwin

In SydBand , Beverlee Rhys

wrote:

>

> HI Honeheke,

>

> I am sorry you feel I was trying to stop the thread. It wasn't

about stopping the thread, but about not wanting to put ideas into

the minds of people who don't understand either the difficulty of

fills or the danger of your suggestion.

>

> Most, though not all surgeons, bulk bill for fills and so

patients don't have out of pocket expenses. It isn't about fees in

most instances, though I can't speak for all surgeons here. The

correct needle being used is also vital and these needles cost about

$10.00 each.

>

> Personally, I am not qualified to do fills as a nurse. If there

was an emergency for a fill removal, yes, I would be able to do it.

However, the risks involved make me very hesitant to even attempt

it. Puncturing the tubing or damaging the port would mean that the

patient would need to have this part of the prosthesis replaced and

for some, this may even mean a complete new band. I am not prepared

to take that risk on another patient.

>

> You don't realise the full impact of what you are suggesting,

however we will have to agree to disagree on this subject. It is

dangerous and we on this site do not condone any person doing their

own fills. We actively discourage this and it has nothing to do with

cost for us.

>

> An infection at your port site can potentially lead to an

infected port and an infection travelling to the area of the band and

if this happens, it will almost certainly eventuate in the removal of

your band.

>

> We cannot stop people doing what they choose to do, but we can

advise people against behaviour which is risky. This advice is

simply advice. Your surgeon would be very much against this

practice - whether they bulk bill or not.

>

> I am saying it again - we do not condone any patient attempting

to fill their own bands. The implications and the potential damage

you can do may be irreversible.

>

> Beverlee

> PS... I have consciously left the post at the end of this email

>

> While I respect youre opinion and your proported experience,of

which I dont doubt! I find it a bit hard to understand why you would

to stop the thread.Some maybe agast at the thought of sticking a

needle in your self and some are not.I was not jokeing, and am

thinking of training myself to do such a proceedure.It seems at this

stage straight forward.If one obeys all the basic commonsence things

like new correct equipment(paramount).Can feel the device and hold it

still, have xrays of its positioning have read and studied all

manuals of the device.There is no reason why It cant be done by self

admin.I do agree that this shouldnt be taken lightly and not atempted

by just anyone as some maybe dont have the skill, but all skills can

be taken up.Yes people develop addiction to weight loss and there are

lots of things open to abuse in this day and age,that is the choice

of an individuals mind, and all proceedures should not be taken

lightly.But with the costs of all the fills

> and

> the 200+ bucks one has to pay a doctor to put a few mils of saline

in It would be worth it.I am sure as It (lap banding) evolves in due

course it will be common to self admin this situation(and some wont

be considering it) at this stage.One also have to take into acount

locality ,if it is 3000k's from the nearest medical centre or if one

is to busy to make it to one appointment then it is a must to

consider doing this.It is put in by a surgeon for sure ,but it is not

beyond us thinking of topping it up ourselves, and it has to at some

stage be talked about.Or is it about doctors and nurses and the

protection of their massive earnings and to keep the poor paying for

pills procedures ect

>

>

>

>

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