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After seriously pondering the sitution for two days and a lot research over the

last week or so I have decided to suspend the MCB/DASH method of treatment and

persue AVS/ADx/DASH. Since I have to get off Spironolactone if I want to return

to being a man it seems like a good time to do a wash and see if I am a

candidate.

I called the VA Tele. Advice line yesterday afternoon and told them to let Drs.

Webster nd Bauman know and invite them to call me back if they wanted to

participate in my BP management! BTW Francis, you are right I'm afraid. I have

not heard back from Dr. Bauman since Monday afternoon when he told triage he

would call me back!

I'll be doing a QOL study of 1, stay tuned!

- 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank

pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR 58

BS 123

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and

Metformin 2000.

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If you are going outside the VA could see what Burlington has to offer. I know

you like DHMC but PA doesn't seem one of the top things they do.

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> After seriously pondering the sitution for two days and a lot research over

the last week or so I have decided to suspend the MCB/DASH method of treatment

and persue AVS/ADx/DASH. Since I have to get off Spironolactone if I want to

return to being a man it seems like a good time to do a wash and see if I am a

candidate.

>

> I called the VA Tele. Advice line yesterday afternoon and told them to let

Drs. Webster nd Bauman know and invite them to call me back if they wanted to

participate in my BP management! BTW Francis, you are right I'm afraid. I have

not heard back from Dr. Bauman since Monday afternoon when he told triage he

would call me back!

>

> I'll be doing a QOL study of 1, stay tuned!

>

> - 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt.

flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74

HR 58 BS 123

> Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

> Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and

Metformin 2000.

>

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I got a call from GiGi, team 4 nurse, informing me Elperenone had been approved,

Surprise, SURPRISE! I told her that plans have changed and to cancel the order.

Told her that I needed to know if Dr. Webster or Dr. Bauman needed to order the

AVS. (I also pointed out Dr. Bauman had not called me back in 3 days!)

I gave her a brief summary of PA and treatment options. She was very impressed

with my knowledge and wanted " to hire me " as a doctor at the VA! Told her I had

enough trouble getting thru H.S.! Maybe I should offer to be consultant, they

make more money and don't need a license!

I sent her an e-mail nd it and her response follows: (BTW, she is the nurse Dr.

Grim and I awarded dark chocolate to for taking BP correctly.) Here's i's the

message:

This is one of the best summaries I have seen for Hyper Aldosteronism. Now you

are the EX/SPURT! (Suitable for every doctor at the VA! Please teach them the

correct method of taking BP while you are at it!)

http://www.hormone.org/Resources/upload/primary-aldosteronism-bilingual-070709.p\

df

Regards...

Thank you you made my day. I really love learning new things and I feel if

I don't something new I didn't have an eventful day. This is my something new

that I learned Thank you! Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year or Happy

Holidays! Not sure which would be the correct term. It was a pleasure talking

with you on the phone. Georgina merrill, LPN Team 4 Nurse

- 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank

pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR 58

BS 123

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin,

Metformin 2000MG and Spironolactone 50 MG.

>

> After seriously pondering the sitution for two days and a lot research over

the last week or so I have decided to suspend the MCB/DASH method of treatment

and persue AVS/ADx/DASH. Since I have to get off Spironolactone if I want to

return to being a man it seems like a good time to do a wash and see if I am a

candidate.

>

> I called the VA Tele. Advice line yesterday afternoon and told them to let

Drs. Webster nd Bauman know and invite them to call me back if they wanted to

participate in my BP management! BTW Francis, you are right I'm afraid. I have

not heard back from Dr. Bauman since Monday afternoon when he told triage he

would call me back!

>

> I'll be doing a QOL study of 1, stay tuned!

>

> - 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt.

flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74

HR 58 BS 123

> Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

> Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and

Metformin 2000.

>

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I will persue thru the VA as private insurance went away when I turned 65. I

like DHMH because I was raised in Woodstock and my wife's family, a 5th

generation Vermonter, is from the Woodstock/Quechee area.

Fletcher/, another teaching hospital, in Burlington has transistioned into

another good hospital after they merged two a number of years ago. The local

hospital, Central VT Medical Center, has recently chnged their affiliation to

Fletcher/.

- 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank

pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR 58

BS 123

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin,

Metformin 2000MG and Spironolactone 50 MG.

> >

> > After seriously pondering the sitution for two days and a lot research over

the last week or so I have decided to suspend the MCB/DASH method of treatment

and persue AVS/ADx/DASH. Since I have to get off Spironolactone if I want to

return to being a man it seems like a good time to do a wash and see if I am a

candidate.

> >

> > I called the VA Tele. Advice line yesterday afternoon and told them to let

Drs. Webster nd Bauman know and invite them to call me back if they wanted to

participate in my BP management! BTW Francis, you are right I'm afraid. I have

not heard back from Dr. Bauman since Monday afternoon when he told triage he

would call me back!

> >

> > I'll be doing a QOL study of 1, stay tuned!

> >

> > - 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt.

flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74

HR 58 BS 123

> > Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

> > Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and

Metformin 2000.

> >

>

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Surprise, SURPRISE, I just heard from Dr. Bauman, Chief of Endo, and Inspra has

been approved! He didn't seem surprised when I told him to put it on hold. Do

you think GiGi " spilled the beans " ? He said he would arrange for the AVS. I

reminded him to give me 6 weeks to wash Spiro and his response was he would see

what the lab needed. I assured him it was at least 6 week!

He asked when I stopped Spiro and I told him this morning. He asked wht BP was

this morning. He thought 137/80 w/BS of 83 was " great " and I didn't have the

heart to remind him that was the last reading with the full effect of Spiro!

(See , I'm learning!)

He also wanted to know if I had lost weight. Instead of telling him I had

gained 282 lbs., I was respectful and responded " maybe a pound or two " . God,

I've mellowed!

- 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank

pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR 58

BS 123

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin,

Metformin 2000MG and Spironolactone 50 MG.

> >

> > After seriously pondering the sitution for two days and a lot research over

the last week or so I have decided to suspend the MCB/DASH method of treatment

and persue AVS/ADx/DASH. Since I have to get off Spironolactone if I want to

return to being a man it seems like a good time to do a wash and see if I am a

candidate.

> >

> > I called the VA Tele. Advice line yesterday afternoon and told them to let

Drs. Webster nd Bauman know and invite them to call me back if they wanted to

participate in my BP management! BTW Francis, you are right I'm afraid. I have

not heard back from Dr. Bauman since Monday afternoon when he told triage he

would call me back!

> >

> > I'll be doing a QOL study of 1, stay tuned!

> >

> > - 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt.

flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74

HR 58 BS 123

> > Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

> > Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and

Metformin 2000.

> >

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Keep us posted. It will be an educational experience I am sure. Weigh the risks and benefits of each step. May your pressure be low!CE Grim MS, MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

After seriously pondering the sitution for two days and a lot research over the last week or so I have decided to suspend the MCB/DASH method of treatment and persue AVS/ADx/DASH. Since I have to get off Spironolactone if I want to return to being a man it seems like a good time to do a wash and see if I am a candidate.

I called the VA Tele. Advice line yesterday afternoon and told them to let Drs. Webster nd Bauman know and invite them to call me back if they wanted to participate in my BP management! BTW Francis, you are right I'm afraid. I have not heard back from Dr. Bauman since Monday afternoon when he told triage he would call me back!

I'll be doing a QOL study of 1, stay tuned!

- 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR 58 BS 123

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and Metformin 2000.

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I would recommend a trial of eplerenone first but it is always up to u. May your pressure be low!CE Grim MS, MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

I got a call from GiGi, team 4 nurse, informing me Elperenone had been approved, Surprise, SURPRISE! I told her that plans have changed and to cancel the order. Told her that I needed to know if Dr. Webster or Dr. Bauman needed to order the AVS. (I also pointed out Dr. Bauman had not called me back in 3 days!)

I gave her a brief summary of PA and treatment options. She was very impressed with my knowledge and wanted "to hire me" as a doctor at the VA! Told her I had enough trouble getting thru H.S.! Maybe I should offer to be consultant, they make more money and don't need a license!

I sent her an e-mail nd it and her response follows: (BTW, she is the nurse Dr. Grim and I awarded dark chocolate to for taking BP correctly.) Here's i's the message:

This is one of the best summaries I have seen for Hyper Aldosteronism. Now you are the EX/SPURT! (Suitable for every doctor at the VA! Please teach them the correct method of taking BP while you are at it!)

http://www.hormone.org/Resources/upload/primary-aldosteronism-bilingual-070709.pdf

Regards...

Thank you you made my day. I really love learning new things and I feel if I don't something new I didn't have an eventful day. This is my something new that I learned Thank you! Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year or Happy Holidays! Not sure which would be the correct term. It was a pleasure talking with you on the phone. Georgina merrill, LPN Team 4 Nurse

- 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR 58 BS 123

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin, Metformin 2000MG and Spironolactone 50 MG.

>

> After seriously pondering the sitution for two days and a lot research over the last week or so I have decided to suspend the MCB/DASH method of treatment and persue AVS/ADx/DASH. Since I have to get off Spironolactone if I want to return to being a man it seems like a good time to do a wash and see if I am a candidate.

>

> I called the VA Tele. Advice line yesterday afternoon and told them to let Drs. Webster nd Bauman know and invite them to call me back if they wanted to participate in my BP management! BTW Francis, you are right I'm afraid. I have not heard back from Dr. Bauman since Monday afternoon when he told triage he would call me back!

>

> I'll be doing a QOL study of 1, stay tuned!

>

> - 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR 58 BS 123

> Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

> Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and Metformin 2000.

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I was thinking you could still get "private" insurance after 65. So no one will sell you insurance?May your pressure be low!CE Grim MS, MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

I will persue thru the VA as private insurance went away when I turned 65. I like DHMH because I was raised in Woodstock and my wife's family, a 5th generation Vermonter, is from the Woodstock/Quechee area.

Fletcher/, another teaching hospital, in Burlington has transistioned into another good hospital after they merged two a number of years ago. The local hospital, Central VT Medical Center, has recently chnged their affiliation to Fletcher/.

- 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR 58 BS 123

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin, Metformin 2000MG and Spironolactone 50 MG.

> >

> > After seriously pondering the sitution for two days and a lot research over the last week or so I have decided to suspend the MCB/DASH method of treatment and persue AVS/ADx/DASH. Since I have to get off Spironolactone if I want to return to being a man it seems like a good time to do a wash and see if I am a candidate.

> >

> > I called the VA Tele. Advice line yesterday afternoon and told them to let Drs. Webster nd Bauman know and invite them to call me back if they wanted to participate in my BP management! BTW Francis, you are right I'm afraid. I have not heard back from Dr. Bauman since Monday afternoon when he told triage he would call me back!

> >

> > I'll be doing a QOL study of 1, stay tuned!

> >

> > - 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR 58 BS 123

> > Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

> > Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and Metformin 2000.

> >

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You need to be off some other meds two weeks before AVS.

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> > > After seriously pondering the sitution for two days and a lot research

over the last week or so I have decided to suspend the MCB/DASH method of

treatment and persue AVS/ADx/DASH. Since I have to get off Spironolactone if I

want to return to being a man it seems like a good time to do a wash and see if

I am a candidate.

> > >

> > > I called the VA Tele. Advice line yesterday afternoon and told them to let

Drs. Webster nd Bauman know and invite them to call me back if they wanted to

participate in my BP management! BTW Francis, you are right I'm afraid. I have

not heard back from Dr. Bauman since Monday afternoon when he told triage he

would call me back!

> > >

> > > I'll be doing a QOL study of 1, stay tuned!

> > >

> > > - 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt.

flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74

HR 58 BS 123

> > > Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

> > > Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and

Metformin 2000.

> > >

> >

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You can pay for anything. Most companies or people do drop private insurance when they get medicare because they can't afford both. Medicare still has plenty of costs associated with it. But anyone can buy their own insurance - it's just too expensive anymore.

The only "good" insurance in this day is medicaid - no copay (or a $2 one), all scripts free, all services free like MRI's (not under medicare though) , CT's, treatments, and so on (but like any insurance it is not endless in their coverage - still I never had any trouble getting something approved). And those who qualify do not have to pay a single penny in. Everyone who doesn't qualify pays in to medicaid.

Of course people still complain - even though they are getting it 100% free - that it doesn't cover dental or that the free medicaid taxi won't also take them to the store on the way to their appointments.

All insurance stinks in this age otherwise, in my opinion, at least it's not like it used to be.

I will persue thru the VA as private insurance went away when I turned 65. I like DHMH because I was raised in Woodstock and my wife's family, a 5th generation Vermonter, is from the Woodstock/Quechee area.Fletcher/, another teaching hospital, in Burlington has transistioned into another good hospital after they merged two a number of years ago. The local hospital, Central VT Medical Center, has recently chnged their affiliation to Fletcher/. - 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR 58 BS 123Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin, Metformin 2000MG and Spironolactone 50 MG. > >> > After seriously pondering the sitution for two days and a lot research over the last week or so I have decided to suspend the MCB/DASH method of treatment and persue AVS/ADx/DASH. Since I have to get off Spironolactone if I want to return to being a man it seems like a good time to do a wash and see if I am a candidate.> >

> > I called the VA Tele. Advice line yesterday afternoon and told them to let Drs. Webster nd Bauman know and invite them to call me back if they wanted to participate in my BP management! BTW Francis, you are right I'm afraid. I have not heard back from Dr. Bauman since Monday afternoon when he told triage he would call me back! > > > > I'll be doing a QOL study of 1, stay tuned!> > > > - 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR 58 BS 123> > Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.> > Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and Metformin 2000.> >>

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Oh no, you can. The price goes from $139/Qtr to $756/Mo, a little rich for my

blood since I get all my care at the VA!

> > > >

> > > > After seriously pondering the sitution for two days and a lot research

over the last week or so I have decided to suspend the MCB/DASH method of

treatment and persue AVS/ADx/DASH. Since I have to get off Spironolactone if I

want to return to being a man it seems like a good time to do a wash and see if

I am a candidate.

> > > >

> > > > I called the VA Tele. Advice line yesterday afternoon and told them to

let Drs. Webster nd Bauman know and invite them to call me back if they wanted

to participate in my BP management! BTW Francis, you are right I'm afraid. I

have not heard back from Dr. Bauman since Monday afternoon when he told triage

he would call me back!

> > > >

> > > > I'll be doing a QOL study of 1, stay tuned!

> > > >

> > > > - 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt.

flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR

58 BS 123

> > > > Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

> > > > Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and

Metformin 2000.

> > > >

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I was going to explain that to him but I didn't want to confuse him! 6 weeks

was the longest lead time he needed!

> > > >

> > > > After seriously pondering the sitution for two days and a lot research

over the last week or so I have decided to suspend the MCB/DASH method of

treatment and persue AVS/ADx/DASH. Since I have to get off Spironolactone if I

want to return to being a man it seems like a good time to do a wash and see if

I am a candidate.

> > > >

> > > > I called the VA Tele. Advice line yesterday afternoon and told them to

let Drs. Webster nd Bauman know and invite them to call me back if they wanted

to participate in my BP management! BTW Francis, you are right I'm afraid. I

have not heard back from Dr. Bauman since Monday afternoon when he told triage

he would call me back!

> > > >

> > > > I'll be doing a QOL study of 1, stay tuned!

> > > >

> > > > - 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous

rt. flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave):

133/74 HR 58 BS 123

> > > > Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

> > > > Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin

and Metformin 2000.

> > > >

> > >

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I'm well aware what you recommend and seriously considered it as one of my

options. I even made sure it was avilable to me but when the approval took over

a month I decided I needed to look at all alternatives.

Let me assure you I have approached this decision with my eyes and ears wide

open. I weighed the risk of surgery with a team of experienced professionals

against thousands of miles for numerous appointments (assume 40 trips * 100

miles at ~80 mph!) Yes, my PCP has pointed out I could slow down but I don't

buy a car that rides on air to drive it like Yogo! I also considered the

adverse side effects of years of medicinal therapy.

The decision became clear when I discovered the association of MCBs to the

increase in Cortisol and what that increase may be doing. I also considered

that Eplerenone has not been approved for the treatment of PA nor did I find

many controlled studies. I did find many studies that recommend removal of

unilateral aldosterone producing tumors. IMHO The MCB/DASH trial is too

uncontrolled. Instead of understanding and testing for adverse side effects we

wait until SX appear and then change course and try to fix the problems we

created. Dosing is determined by trial and error. I decided I wasn't ready

psychologically for another year or more of that!

The short list of major input factors, the first two are repeats regarding

Cortisol:

A picture is worth a thousand words:

http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/60/1/24/FIGYOA20492F1

I lifted it from here:

http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/60/1/24

This 2008 article from the UK provides good review. I'm way beyond my comfort

zone explaining it so the only hint I will give is that I understand CYP11B1

converts to Cortisol and CYP11B2 to Aldosterone. Read it twice and draw your

own conclusion!

Source:

http://edrv.endojournals.org/content/29/2/133.full

A Lifetime of Aldosterone Excess: Long-Term Consequences of Altered Regulation

of Aldosterone Production for Cardiovascular Function

M. C. Connell,

M. MacKenzie,

E. Marie Freel,

Fraser and

Eleanor Davies

E. Aldosterone synthase

" The conversion of DOC to aldosterone involves three consecutive reactions

catalyzed by a single enzyme, aldosterone synthase. It performs

11â-hydroxylation of DOC to form corticosterone, an 18-hydroxylation step

providing 18-hydroxycorticosterone and finally 18-methyloxidation to produce

aldosterone. Aldosterone synthase is located on the inner mitochondrial membrane

and is encoded by the CYP11B2 gene. DOC is the preferred substrate of

aldosterone synthase and remains bound to the active site throughout these

reactions, whereas corticosterone and 18-hydroxycorticosterone are only released

as by-products (21). Aldosterone synthase is approximately 93% homologous to

11â-hydroxylase, the product of the CYP11B1 gene, which catalyzes the conversion

of 11-deoxycortisol to the main glucocorticoid, cortisol (in rodents, it

converts DOC to the principal glucocorticoid, corticosterone). The CYP11B1 and

CYP11B2 genes are located in tandem on human chromosome 8q21–22 (22, 23, 24) but

are not coexpressed in the adrenal cortex; CYP11B2 expression is confined to the

ZG, whereas CYP11B1 is expressed in the ZF and ZR. This zonal pattern of

expression is accounted for by major differences in the regulatory regions of

the two genes. CYP11B2 expression is mainly controlled by AngII and potassium,

whereas CYP11B1 is regulated by ACTH. "

IMHO this should be reviewed by all who treat w/MCBs even if they have no

choice. Somebody needs to know the possibilities and the PTN should be aware of

them!

- 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank

pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR 58

BS 123

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and

Metformin 2000MG.

> > >

> > > After seriously pondering the sitution for two days and a lot research

over the last week or so I have decided to suspend the MCB/DASH method of

treatment and persue AVS/ADx/DASH. Since I have to get off Spironolactone if I

want to return to being a man it seems like a good time to do a wash and see if

I am a candidate.

> > >

> > > I called the VA Tele. Advice line yesterday afternoon and told them to let

Drs. Webster nd Bauman know and invite them to call me back if they wanted to

participate in my BP management! BTW Francis, you are right I'm afraid. I have

not heard back from Dr. Bauman since Monday afternoon when he told triage he

would call me back!

> > >

> > > I'll be doing a QOL study of 1, stay tuned!

> > >

> > > - 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt.

flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR

58 BS 123

> > > Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

> > > Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and

Metformin 2000.

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Go to www.ehealthinsurance.com and see how much private insurance you can buy if you're 65. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham You can pay for anything. Most companies or people do drop private insurance when they get medicare because they can't afford both. Medicare still has plenty of costs associated with it. But anyone can buy their own insurance - it's just too expensive anymore. The only " good " insurance in this day is medicaid - no copay (or a $2 one), all scripts free, all services free like MRI's (not under medicare though) , CT's, treatments, and so on (but like any insurance it is not endless in their coverage - still I never had any trouble getting something approved). And those who qualify do not have to pay a single penny in. Everyone who doesn't qualify pays in to medicaid. Of course people still complain - even though they are getting it 100% free - that it doesn't cover dental or that the free medicaid taxi won't also take them to the store on the way to their appointments. All insurance stinks in this age otherwise, in my opinion, at least it's not like it used to be. I was thinking you could still get " private " insurance after 65. So no one will sell you insurance?__

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If we are going to examine insurance we need to look at the whole picture. When

I was growing up and was sick a lot of time the doctor showed up in his big

Pontiac convertible. His assistant was his dog, a big airdale, who often

entertained the kids, sick or well he didn't care! More than once his pay was a

fresh baked strawberry/rhubarb pie. (We had the best rhubarb and Mom was the

best cook in town!) He then dispensed those little black pills (in those

" child proof paper envelopes " and that was it, no trip to the drug store even!

He needed enough money for the car and the dog food! Oh yea, he had an office,

it was his living room! (BTW, he had a convertible because the dog objected to

his smoke, he was a chain smoker!)

How does that compare to running a practice today ?

> > >

> > > After seriously pondering the sitution for two days and a lot research

over the last week or so I have decided to suspend the MCB/DASH method of

treatment and persue AVS/ADx/DASH. Since I have to get off Spironolactone if I

want to return to being a man it seems like a good time to do a wash and see if

I am a candidate.

> > >

> > > I called the VA Tele. Advice line yesterday afternoon and told them to let

Drs. Webster nd Bauman know and invite them to call me back if they wanted to

participate in my BP management! BTW Francis, you are right I'm afraid. I have

not heard back from Dr. Bauman since Monday afternoon when he told triage he

would call me back!

> > >

> > > I'll be doing a QOL study of 1, stay tuned!

> > >

> > > - 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt.

flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR

58 BS 123

> > > Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

> > > Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and

Metformin 2000.

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I still don't envy people on Medicaid providing they are 'TRULY

QUALIFIED FOR MEDICAID"

Phyllis

You can pay for anything. Most companies or

people do drop private insurance when they get

medicare because they can't afford both.

Medicare still has plenty of costs associated

with it. But anyone can buy their own insurance

- it's just too expensive anymore.

The only "good" insurance in this day is

medicaid - no copay (or a $2 one), all scripts

free, all services free like MRI's (not under

medicare though) , CT's, treatments, and so on

(but like any insurance it is not endless in

their coverage - still I never had any trouble

getting something approved). And those who

qualify do not have to pay a single penny in.

Everyone who doesn't qualify pays in to

medicaid.

Of course people still complain - even though

they are getting it 100% free - that it doesn't

cover dental or that the free medicaid taxi

won't also take them to the store on the way to

their appointments.

All insurance stinks in this age otherwise,

in my opinion, at least it's not like it used to

be.

I will persue thru the VA as

private insurance went away when

I turned 65. I like DHMH because

I was raised in Woodstock and my

wife's family, a 5th generation

Vermonter, is from the

Woodstock/Quechee area.

Fletcher/, another teaching

hospital, in Burlington has

transistioned into another good

hospital after they merged two a

number of years ago. The local

hospital, Central VT Medical

Center, has recently chnged

their affiliation to

Fletcher/.

- 65 yo super ob. male -

12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with

previous rt. flank pain.

Treating with Meds. And DASH. .

Current BP(last week ave):

133/74 HR 58 BS 123

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA

w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2,

and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG,

Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg

aspirin, Metformin 2000MG and

Spironolactone 50 MG.

> >

> > After seriously

pondering the sitution for two

days and a lot research over the

last week or so I have decided

to suspend the MCB/DASH method

of treatment and persue

AVS/ADx/DASH. Since I have to

get off Spironolactone if I want

to return to being a man it

seems like a good time to do a

wash and see if I am a

candidate.

> >

> > I called the VA Tele.

Advice line yesterday afternoon

and told them to let Drs.

Webster nd Bauman know and

invite them to call me back if

they wanted to participate in my

BP management! BTW Francis, you

are right I'm afraid. I have not

heard back from Dr. Bauman since

Monday afternoon when he told

triage he would call me back!

> >

> > I'll be doing a QOL

study of 1, stay tuned!

> >

> > - 65 yo super ob.

male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma

with previous rt. flank pain.

Treating with Meds. And DASH. .

Current BP(last week ave):

133/74 HR 58 BS 123

> > Other

Issues/Opportunities: OSA w

Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and

PTSD.

> > Meds: Duloxetine hcl

80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200

MG, 81mg aspirin and Metformin

2000.

> >

>

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Thanks Val, here is a list of the providers in Vermont!

Individual and Family Health Insurance Companies in Vermont

MVP

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>Hyperaldosteronism , " Valarie " wrote:

>

> Go to www.ehealthinsurance.com and see how much private insurance you can buy

if you're 65.

>

> Val

>

> From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham

>

>

> You can pay for anything. Most companies or people do drop private insurance

when they get medicare because they can't afford both. Medicare still has plenty

of costs associated with it. But anyone can buy their own insurance - it's just

too expensive anymore.

>

> The only " good " insurance in this day is medicaid - no copay (or a $2 one),

all scripts free, all services free like MRI's (not under medicare though) ,

CT's, treatments, and so on (but like any insurance it is not endless in their

coverage - still I never had any trouble getting something approved). And those

who qualify do not have to pay a single penny in. Everyone who doesn't qualify

pays in to medicaid.

>

> Of course people still complain - even though they are getting it 100% free -

that it doesn't cover dental or that the free medicaid taxi won't also take them

to the store on the way to their appointments.

>

> All insurance stinks in this age otherwise, in my opinion, at least it's not

like it used to be.

>

>

>

>

> I was thinking you could still get " private " insurance after 65. So no one

will sell you insurance?

> __

>

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Your memory may be starting to let you down (or maybe it's the stress of

moving!) I posted one two dys ago and here it is with your response:

Re: MCB vs Surgery

I would like to see 5 and 10 year results. And they will have them eventually. I

know they do not

Include DASH as part of the MT and have written to Stowasser a out this. They

are " working on it " so we really have the best long ter

DASH MCB data set in the world. If everyone would update their progress every 6

months in our data base we could make a real contribution.

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MS, MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

I came across two recent studies done in Australia. They look beyond only BP

resolution, read for yourself.....

Improved Quality of Life, Blood Pressure, and Biochemical Status Following

Laparoscopic Adrenalectomy for Unilateral Primary Aldosteronism

Norlela Sukor,

Kogovsek,

D. Gordon,

Dianne Robson and

Stowasser

Source: http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/95/3/1360.long

Abstract

Context: In 22 patients with unilateral primary aldosteronism (UPA), unilateral

laparoscopic adrenalectomy (ADX) not only corrected hypokalemia and led to cure

or improvement of hypertension, but also significantly improved quality of life

(QOL).

Conclusion: Unilateral adrenalectomy had positive impacts not only on blood

pressure and biochemical parameters, but also on QOL, which was impaired

preoperatively but significantly improved by 3 months postoperatively.

Quality of Life in Patients with Bilateral Primary Aldosteronism before and

during Treatment with Spironolactone and/or Amiloride, Including a Comparison

with Our Previously Published Results in Those with Unilateral Disease Treated

Surgically

Ashraf H. Ahmed,

D. Gordon,

Norlela Sukor,

Pimenta and

Stowasser

Source: http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/96/9/2904.abstract

Background: Measurement of quality of life (QOL) allows assessment of the impact

of a disease or treatment from the patient's perspective, including need for

social, emotional, or physical support. We are not aware of any published QOL

assessment in patients with bilateral primary aldosteronism (BPA), before or

after commencing medical treatment (MT) with spironolactone and/or amiloride.

Conclusion: Subnormal QOL scores were improved after 6 months of MT in 21

patients with BPA, but more slowly and to a lesser degree than surgical

treatment had previously been shown to improve QOL scores in 22 patients with

UPA.

Address all correspondence and requests for reprints to: Prof.

Stowasser, Endocrine Hypertension Research Centre, University of Queensland

School of Medicine, Princess andra Hospital, Ipswich Road, Woolloongabba,

Brisbane 4102,Australia. E-mail: m.stowasser@....

- 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank

pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 131/76 HR 60

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg asprin, Metformin

2000MG and Spironolactone 50 MG.

> > >

> > > I would recommend a trial of eplerenone first but it is always up to u

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I have not reviewed the Bravo article because I consider it a history lesson

since it is 13 years old. I am more concerned with what they are doing today.

- 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank

pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR 58

BS 123

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and

Metformin 2000MG.

> > >

> > > I would recommend a trial of eplerenone first but it is always up to u

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The surgeon I spoke with, Dr. Lacock, was not the least bit concerned by

my small size. He does ~15 lproscopic adrenal surgeries a year and the rest of

the time it is mostly gastric banding. (Most of those are not done on small

people he assured me!) He actually has a strict diet that you must adhere to

for two weeks to soften your liver so he can get to the right adrenal. He makes

the first incision and validates your compliance before proceeding!

He will probably not be doing the surgery but I will be certainly checking the

one that does once I get it planned.

- 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank

pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR 58

BS 123

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and

Metformin 2000MG.

> > >

> > > I would recommend a trial of eplerenone first but it is always up to u

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You didn't happen to talk with him about what happens to the CYP11B1

when you antagonize the CYP11B2 did you? Did you discuss the extended elevated

cortisol as depicted in the 3 graphs I sent you? Did you you happen to ask how

the pituitary gland likes and reacts when you drastically reduce testosterone in

men?

Here is a couple of items from the Endocrine website that every man who is

taking Spironolactone might want to consider (Sorry ladies, I haven't had time

to research the effects on you):

http://www.hormone.org/Resources/upload/low-testosterone-and-mens-health-bilingu\

al-042710.pdf

http://www.hormone.org/Resources/Patient_Guides/upload/androgen-deficiency-syndr\

omes-in-men-070609.pdf

- 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank

pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR 58

BS 123

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and

Metformin 2000MG.

> > >

> > > I would recommend a trial of eplerenone first but it is always up to u

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What diet softens your liver?

Phyllis

The surgeon I spoke with, Dr. Lacock, was not the

least bit concerned by my small size. He does ~15

lproscopic adrenal surgeries a year and the rest of the

time it is mostly gastric banding. (Most of those are not

done on small people he assured me!) He actually has a

strict diet that you must adhere to for two weeks to

soften your liver so he can get to the right adrenal. He

makes the first incision and validates your compliance

before proceeding!

He will probably not be doing the surgery but I will be

certainly checking the one that does once I get it

planned.

- 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma

with previous rt. flank pain. Treating with Meds. And

DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR 58 BS 123

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19,

DM2, and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG,

81mg aspirin and Metformin 2000MG.

> > >

> > > I would recommend a trial of eplerenone

first but it is always up to u

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It was a very special he had developed or found that allowed the liver to soften

enough to allow him to muniplate it to allow for surgery. I think I still have

it but not looked for it recently.

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> > > > >

> > > > > I would recommend a trial of eplerenone first but it is always

> > up to u

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Good data never goes bad!CE Grim MD I have not reviewed the Bravo article because I consider it a history lesson since it is 13 years old. I am more concerned with what they are doing today. - 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR 58 BS 123 Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD. Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and Metformin 2000MG. > > > > > > I would recommend a trial of eplerenone first but it is always up to u >

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The adrenal is not easy to get to. I have watched perhaps 50 procedures myself. and good to have an experienced person. Why not have him do the surgery? or someone with more experience?CE Grim MD The surgeon I spoke with, Dr. Lacock, was not the least bit concerned by my small size. He does ~15 lproscopic adrenal surgeries a year and the rest of the time it is mostly gastric banding. (Most of those are not done on small people he assured me!) He actually has a strict diet that you must adhere to for two weeks to soften your liver so he can get to the right adrenal. He makes the first incision and validates your compliance before proceeding! He will probably not be doing the surgery but I will be certainly checking the one that does once I get it planned. - 65 yo super ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 133/74 HR 58 BS 123 Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD. Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg aspirin and Metformin 2000MG. > > > > > > I would recommend a trial of eplerenone first but it is always up to u >

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