Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 AMEN, Change Apologies for a post that has nothing to do with neurofeedback.I was up last night at 3am watching Obama's speech in Grant Park. As an American living in southern Brazil, watching his performance, I felt a clear call for a spirit of cooperation, of unity, of willingness to sacrifice, and a direction. Time will tell if my feeling last night--that Obama has the potential to be the great president we need in this moment--will turn out to be true. But it felt like it last night.I've spent most of my life trying to be a change agent (troublemaker, some might say). As a hospital administrator I was sent into failing organizations to turn them around in 18 months or less, (four situations in 7 years). I learned a lot about change and resistance to it. For 10 years I did neurofeedback with hundreds of clients who wanted to make changes in their lives--and did. There too, my job was to be a catalyst, and there too I saw resistance. I learned, and I've been teaching for at least 10 years, that if you would help change happen, you must "create space in the client and the support system into which the change can happen."Even though relatively few Americans are not in favor of fairly significant changes in the US, we have to recognize the possibility that we ourselves will be the resistance.The tone of our national conversation has become more rude and more cynical over the past decade. The level of personal attack and negative projection that has taken place in recent presidential campaigns is so strong that, during Senator McCain's excellent speech, when he mentioned President Obama, the crowd did as it has been trained to do: They booed the NAME! After the grueling, insane media circus we call a presidential race, it is very easy to believe that someone we have opposed is actually anything like the demon we have heard him/her made out to be. Obama is a (I'll just list some of them:) socialist, communist, radical, muslem fundamentalist, antichrist. He's going to raise YOUR taxes, bury small business, redistribute YOUR wealth, open the gates to terrorists, etc. I just read on the internet that he uses "secret NLP and hypnotic techniques", hand movements and cadences based on Milton kson to hypnotize his audience--all very "scientifically" described.I hope each one of us gives this man a chance: to see what he actually proposes, see what the actual effects on us are. We've been fooled before (I voted for W the first time around), but going into each new situation with hope and an open mind is what truly makes us American.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlcgmailhttp://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 AMEN, Change Apologies for a post that has nothing to do with neurofeedback.I was up last night at 3am watching Obama's speech in Grant Park. As an American living in southern Brazil, watching his performance, I felt a clear call for a spirit of cooperation, of unity, of willingness to sacrifice, and a direction. Time will tell if my feeling last night--that Obama has the potential to be the great president we need in this moment--will turn out to be true. But it felt like it last night.I've spent most of my life trying to be a change agent (troublemaker, some might say). As a hospital administrator I was sent into failing organizations to turn them around in 18 months or less, (four situations in 7 years). I learned a lot about change and resistance to it. For 10 years I did neurofeedback with hundreds of clients who wanted to make changes in their lives--and did. There too, my job was to be a catalyst, and there too I saw resistance. I learned, and I've been teaching for at least 10 years, that if you would help change happen, you must "create space in the client and the support system into which the change can happen."Even though relatively few Americans are not in favor of fairly significant changes in the US, we have to recognize the possibility that we ourselves will be the resistance.The tone of our national conversation has become more rude and more cynical over the past decade. The level of personal attack and negative projection that has taken place in recent presidential campaigns is so strong that, during Senator McCain's excellent speech, when he mentioned President Obama, the crowd did as it has been trained to do: They booed the NAME! After the grueling, insane media circus we call a presidential race, it is very easy to believe that someone we have opposed is actually anything like the demon we have heard him/her made out to be. Obama is a (I'll just list some of them:) socialist, communist, radical, muslem fundamentalist, antichrist. He's going to raise YOUR taxes, bury small business, redistribute YOUR wealth, open the gates to terrorists, etc. I just read on the internet that he uses "secret NLP and hypnotic techniques", hand movements and cadences based on Milton kson to hypnotize his audience--all very "scientifically" described.I hope each one of us gives this man a chance: to see what he actually proposes, see what the actual effects on us are. We've been fooled before (I voted for W the first time around), but going into each new situation with hope and an open mind is what truly makes us American.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlcgmailhttp://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 AMEN! Subject: ChangeTo: "braintrainer" <braintrainer >Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 7:35 AM Apologies for a post that has nothing to do with neurofeedback.I was up last night at 3am watching Obama's speech in Grant Park. As an American living in southern Brazil, watching his performance, I felt a clear call for a spirit of cooperation, of unity, of willingness to sacrifice, and a direction. Time will tell if my feeling last night--that Obama has the potential to be the great president we need in this moment--will turn out to be true. But it felt like it last night.I've spent most of my life trying to be a change agent (troublemaker, some might say). As a hospital administrator I was sent into failing organizations to turn them around in 18 months or less, (four situations in 7 years). I learned a lot about change and resistance to it. For 10 years I did neurofeedback with hundreds of clients who wanted to make changes in their lives--and did. There too, my job was to be a catalyst, and there too I saw resistance. I learned, and I've been teaching for at least 10 years, that if you would help change happen, you must "create space in the client and the support system into which the change can happen."Even though relatively few Americans are not in favor of fairly significant changes in the US, we have to recognize the possibility that we ourselves will be the resistance.The tone of our national conversation has become more rude and more cynical over the past decade. The level of personal attack and negative projection that has taken place in recent presidential campaigns is so strong that, during Senator McCain's excellent speech, when he mentioned President Obama, the crowd did as it has been trained to do: They booed the NAME! After the grueling, insane media circus we call a presidential race, it is very easy to believe that someone we have opposed is actually anything like the demon we have heard him/her made out to be. Obama is a (I'll just list some of them:) socialist, communist, radical, muslem fundamentalist, antichrist. He's going to raise YOUR taxes, bury small business, redistribute YOUR wealth, open the gates to terrorists, etc. I just read on the internet that he uses "secret NLP and hypnotic techniques", hand movements and cadences based on Milton kson to hypnotize his audience--all very "scientifically" described.I hope each one of us gives this man a chance: to see what he actually proposes, see what the actual effects on us are. We've been fooled before (I voted for W the first time around), but going into each new situation with hope and an open mind is what truly makes us American.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlcgmail (DOT) comhttp://www.brain- trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 AMEN! Subject: ChangeTo: "braintrainer" <braintrainer >Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 7:35 AM Apologies for a post that has nothing to do with neurofeedback.I was up last night at 3am watching Obama's speech in Grant Park. As an American living in southern Brazil, watching his performance, I felt a clear call for a spirit of cooperation, of unity, of willingness to sacrifice, and a direction. Time will tell if my feeling last night--that Obama has the potential to be the great president we need in this moment--will turn out to be true. But it felt like it last night.I've spent most of my life trying to be a change agent (troublemaker, some might say). As a hospital administrator I was sent into failing organizations to turn them around in 18 months or less, (four situations in 7 years). I learned a lot about change and resistance to it. For 10 years I did neurofeedback with hundreds of clients who wanted to make changes in their lives--and did. There too, my job was to be a catalyst, and there too I saw resistance. I learned, and I've been teaching for at least 10 years, that if you would help change happen, you must "create space in the client and the support system into which the change can happen."Even though relatively few Americans are not in favor of fairly significant changes in the US, we have to recognize the possibility that we ourselves will be the resistance.The tone of our national conversation has become more rude and more cynical over the past decade. The level of personal attack and negative projection that has taken place in recent presidential campaigns is so strong that, during Senator McCain's excellent speech, when he mentioned President Obama, the crowd did as it has been trained to do: They booed the NAME! After the grueling, insane media circus we call a presidential race, it is very easy to believe that someone we have opposed is actually anything like the demon we have heard him/her made out to be. Obama is a (I'll just list some of them:) socialist, communist, radical, muslem fundamentalist, antichrist. He's going to raise YOUR taxes, bury small business, redistribute YOUR wealth, open the gates to terrorists, etc. I just read on the internet that he uses "secret NLP and hypnotic techniques", hand movements and cadences based on Milton kson to hypnotize his audience--all very "scientifically" described.I hope each one of us gives this man a chance: to see what he actually proposes, see what the actual effects on us are. We've been fooled before (I voted for W the first time around), but going into each new situation with hope and an open mind is what truly makes us American.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlcgmail (DOT) comhttp://www.brain- trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Dear Pete and All fellow Neurofeedbackers, Your sentiments are so right on. As my husband and I in the 60’s,70’s and beyond worked for civil rights and sang “ I shall Overcome Someday” we could not have visualized this day so clearly. Let us all go forward with cooperation to change. Warmly, Merlyn Hurd PhD From: braintrainer [mailto:braintrainer ] On Behalf Of Lynda Kirk Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:24 AM To: braintrainer Subject: Re: Change Wow! That previous email took off before I could hit " send. " I want to echo your sentiments, Pete. AMEN, brother. Warm regards, Lynda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lynda Kirk, MA, LPC, BCIA Sr. Fellow, BCIA-EEG Fellow, QEEG-Diplomate Past President - AAPB www.aapb.org, Past President - ISNR www.isnr.org Clinical Director - Austin Biofeedback and EEG Neurotherapy Center www.austinbiofeedback.com 512-794-WELL (9355) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: Van Deusen To: braintrainer Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:35 AM Subject: Change Apologies for a post that has nothing to do with neurofeedback. I was up last night at 3am watching Obama's speech in Grant Park. As an American living in southern Brazil, watching his performance, I felt a clear call for a spirit of cooperation, of unity, of willingness to sacrifice, and a direction. Time will tell if my feeling last night--that Obama has the potential to be the great president we need in this moment--will turn out to be true. But it felt like it last night. I've spent most of my life trying to be a change agent (troublemaker, some might say). As a hospital administrator I was sent into failing organizations to turn them around in 18 months or less, (four situations in 7 years). I learned a lot about change and resistance to it. For 10 years I did neurofeedback with hundreds of clients who wanted to make changes in their lives--and did. There too, my job was to be a catalyst, and there too I saw resistance. I learned, and I've been teaching for at least 10 years, that if you would help change happen, you must " create space in the client and the support system into which the change can happen. " Even though relatively few Americans are not in favor of fairly significant changes in the US, we have to recognize the possibility that we ourselves will be the resistance.The tone of our national conversation has become more rude and more cynical over the past decade. The level of personal attack and negative projection that has taken place in recent presidential campaigns is so strong that, during Senator McCain's excellent speech, when he mentioned President Obama, the crowd did as it has been trained to do: They booed the NAME! After the grueling, insane media circus we call a presidential race, it is very easy to believe that someone we have opposed is actually anything like the demon we have heard him/her made out to be. Obama is a (I'll just list some of them:) socialist, communist, radical, muslem fundamentalist, antichrist. He's going to raise YOUR taxes, bury small business, redistribute YOUR wealth, open the gates to terrorists, etc. I just read on the internet that he uses " secret NLP and hypnotic techniques " , hand movements and cadences based on Milton kson to hypnotize his audience--all very " scientifically " described. I hope each one of us gives this man a chance: to see what he actually proposes, see what the actual effects on us are. We've been fooled before (I voted for W the first time around), but going into each new situation with hope and an open mind is what truly makes us American. Pete -- Van Deusen pvdtlc@... http://www.brain-trainer.com 305/433-3160 The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Dear Pete and All fellow Neurofeedbackers, Your sentiments are so right on. As my husband and I in the 60’s,70’s and beyond worked for civil rights and sang “ I shall Overcome Someday” we could not have visualized this day so clearly. Let us all go forward with cooperation to change. Warmly, Merlyn Hurd PhD From: braintrainer [mailto:braintrainer ] On Behalf Of Lynda Kirk Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:24 AM To: braintrainer Subject: Re: Change Wow! That previous email took off before I could hit " send. " I want to echo your sentiments, Pete. AMEN, brother. Warm regards, Lynda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lynda Kirk, MA, LPC, BCIA Sr. Fellow, BCIA-EEG Fellow, QEEG-Diplomate Past President - AAPB www.aapb.org, Past President - ISNR www.isnr.org Clinical Director - Austin Biofeedback and EEG Neurotherapy Center www.austinbiofeedback.com 512-794-WELL (9355) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: Van Deusen To: braintrainer Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:35 AM Subject: Change Apologies for a post that has nothing to do with neurofeedback. I was up last night at 3am watching Obama's speech in Grant Park. As an American living in southern Brazil, watching his performance, I felt a clear call for a spirit of cooperation, of unity, of willingness to sacrifice, and a direction. Time will tell if my feeling last night--that Obama has the potential to be the great president we need in this moment--will turn out to be true. But it felt like it last night. I've spent most of my life trying to be a change agent (troublemaker, some might say). As a hospital administrator I was sent into failing organizations to turn them around in 18 months or less, (four situations in 7 years). I learned a lot about change and resistance to it. For 10 years I did neurofeedback with hundreds of clients who wanted to make changes in their lives--and did. There too, my job was to be a catalyst, and there too I saw resistance. I learned, and I've been teaching for at least 10 years, that if you would help change happen, you must " create space in the client and the support system into which the change can happen. " Even though relatively few Americans are not in favor of fairly significant changes in the US, we have to recognize the possibility that we ourselves will be the resistance.The tone of our national conversation has become more rude and more cynical over the past decade. The level of personal attack and negative projection that has taken place in recent presidential campaigns is so strong that, during Senator McCain's excellent speech, when he mentioned President Obama, the crowd did as it has been trained to do: They booed the NAME! After the grueling, insane media circus we call a presidential race, it is very easy to believe that someone we have opposed is actually anything like the demon we have heard him/her made out to be. Obama is a (I'll just list some of them:) socialist, communist, radical, muslem fundamentalist, antichrist. He's going to raise YOUR taxes, bury small business, redistribute YOUR wealth, open the gates to terrorists, etc. I just read on the internet that he uses " secret NLP and hypnotic techniques " , hand movements and cadences based on Milton kson to hypnotize his audience--all very " scientifically " described. I hope each one of us gives this man a chance: to see what he actually proposes, see what the actual effects on us are. We've been fooled before (I voted for W the first time around), but going into each new situation with hope and an open mind is what truly makes us American. Pete -- Van Deusen pvdtlc@... http://www.brain-trainer.com 305/433-3160 The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Pete, The big majority of European population is with Obama, more then 80% preference in countries like France, Belgium, Spain. Even in Italy Obama got more then 50% preference, which is not bad when you think that 5 national TV channels out of 6 are controlled by the prime minister Berlusconi (which is the owner of all 3 private TV channels with national cover, the other 3 channels are own by the state fortunately one of them still represents the opposition). We have big expectation here, Europe is too weak and divided to promote our ideas, Bush was not representing European vision, we feel Obama much closer to us. ilario De: Van Deusen Para: braintrainer <braintrainer >Enviado: miércoles, 5 de noviembre, 2008 13:35:14Asunto: Change Apologies for a post that has nothing to do with neurofeedback.I was up last night at 3am watching Obama's speech in Grant Park. As an American living in southern Brazil, watching his performance, I felt a clear call for a spirit of cooperation, of unity, of willingness to sacrifice, and a direction. Time will tell if my feeling last night--that Obama has the potential to be the great president we need in this moment--will turn out to be true. But it felt like it last night. I've spent most of my life trying to be a change agent (troublemaker, some might say). As a hospital administrator I was sent into failing organizations to turn them around in 18 months or less, (four situations in 7 years). I learned a lot about change and resistance to it. For 10 years I did neurofeedback with hundreds of clients who wanted to make changes in their lives--and did. There too, my job was to be a catalyst, and there too I saw resistance. I learned, and I've been teaching for at least 10 years, that if you would help change happen, you must "create space in the client and the support system into which the change can happen." Even though relatively few Americans are not in favor of fairly significant changes in the US, we have to recognize the possibility that we ourselves will be the resistance.The tone of our national conversation has become more rude and more cynical over the past decade. The level of personal attack and negative projection that has taken place in recent presidential campaigns is so strong that, during Senator McCain's excellent speech, when he mentioned President Obama, the crowd did as it has been trained to do: They booed the NAME! After the grueling, insane media circus we call a presidential race, it is very easy to believe that someone we have opposed is actually anything like the demon we have heard him/her made out to be. Obama is a (I'll just list some of them:) socialist, communist, radical, muslem fundamentalist, antichrist. He's going to raise YOUR taxes, bury small business, redistribute YOUR wealth, open the gates to terrorists, etc. I just read on the internet that he uses "secret NLP and hypnotic techniques", hand movements and cadences based on Milton kson to hypnotize his audience--all very "scientifically" described. I hope each one of us gives this man a chance: to see what he actually proposes, see what the actual effects on us are. We've been fooled before (I voted for W the first time around), but going into each new situation with hope and an open mind is what truly makes us American. Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlcgmail (DOT) comhttp://www.brain- trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Pete, The big majority of European population is with Obama, more then 80% preference in countries like France, Belgium, Spain. Even in Italy Obama got more then 50% preference, which is not bad when you think that 5 national TV channels out of 6 are controlled by the prime minister Berlusconi (which is the owner of all 3 private TV channels with national cover, the other 3 channels are own by the state fortunately one of them still represents the opposition). We have big expectation here, Europe is too weak and divided to promote our ideas, Bush was not representing European vision, we feel Obama much closer to us. ilario De: Van Deusen Para: braintrainer <braintrainer >Enviado: miércoles, 5 de noviembre, 2008 13:35:14Asunto: Change Apologies for a post that has nothing to do with neurofeedback.I was up last night at 3am watching Obama's speech in Grant Park. As an American living in southern Brazil, watching his performance, I felt a clear call for a spirit of cooperation, of unity, of willingness to sacrifice, and a direction. Time will tell if my feeling last night--that Obama has the potential to be the great president we need in this moment--will turn out to be true. But it felt like it last night. I've spent most of my life trying to be a change agent (troublemaker, some might say). As a hospital administrator I was sent into failing organizations to turn them around in 18 months or less, (four situations in 7 years). I learned a lot about change and resistance to it. For 10 years I did neurofeedback with hundreds of clients who wanted to make changes in their lives--and did. There too, my job was to be a catalyst, and there too I saw resistance. I learned, and I've been teaching for at least 10 years, that if you would help change happen, you must "create space in the client and the support system into which the change can happen." Even though relatively few Americans are not in favor of fairly significant changes in the US, we have to recognize the possibility that we ourselves will be the resistance.The tone of our national conversation has become more rude and more cynical over the past decade. The level of personal attack and negative projection that has taken place in recent presidential campaigns is so strong that, during Senator McCain's excellent speech, when he mentioned President Obama, the crowd did as it has been trained to do: They booed the NAME! After the grueling, insane media circus we call a presidential race, it is very easy to believe that someone we have opposed is actually anything like the demon we have heard him/her made out to be. Obama is a (I'll just list some of them:) socialist, communist, radical, muslem fundamentalist, antichrist. He's going to raise YOUR taxes, bury small business, redistribute YOUR wealth, open the gates to terrorists, etc. I just read on the internet that he uses "secret NLP and hypnotic techniques", hand movements and cadences based on Milton kson to hypnotize his audience--all very "scientifically" described. I hope each one of us gives this man a chance: to see what he actually proposes, see what the actual effects on us are. We've been fooled before (I voted for W the first time around), but going into each new situation with hope and an open mind is what truly makes us American. Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlcgmail (DOT) comhttp://www.brain- trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Thank you for having the courage to step out and say how you feel. I live in Texas, so I am not in the majority here. I did just as you did with my voting over the last three presidential elections. I believe it's time for change no matter how many Americans are resistant and scared. I think it will be hard for many and there will be plenty of criticism. However, I will keep my eye on the ball down here and do all I can to help with the changes to come. -Nita Subject: ChangeTo: "braintrainer" <braintrainer >Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 6:35 AM Apologies for a post that has nothing to do with neurofeedback.I was up last night at 3am watching Obama's speech in Grant Park. As an American living in southern Brazil, watching his performance, I felt a clear call for a spirit of cooperation, of unity, of willingness to sacrifice, and a direction. Time will tell if my feeling last night--that Obama has the potential to be the great president we need in this moment--will turn out to be true. But it felt like it last night.I've spent most of my life trying to be a change agent (troublemaker, some might say). As a hospital administrator I was sent into failing organizations to turn them around in 18 months or less, (four situations in 7 years). I learned a lot about change and resistance to it. For 10 years I did neurofeedback with hundreds of clients who wanted to make changes in their lives--and did. There too, my job was to be a catalyst, and there too I saw resistance. I learned, and I've been teaching for at least 10 years, that if you would help change happen, you must "create space in the client and the support system into which the change can happen."Even though relatively few Americans are not in favor of fairly significant changes in the US, we have to recognize the possibility that we ourselves will be the resistance.The tone of our national conversation has become more rude and more cynical over the past decade. The level of personal attack and negative projection that has taken place in recent presidential campaigns is so strong that, during Senator McCain's excellent speech, when he mentioned President Obama, the crowd did as it has been trained to do: They booed the NAME! After the grueling, insane media circus we call a presidential race, it is very easy to believe that someone we have opposed is actually anything like the demon we have heard him/her made out to be. Obama is a (I'll just list some of them:) socialist, communist, radical, muslem fundamentalist, antichrist. He's going to raise YOUR taxes, bury small business, redistribute YOUR wealth, open the gates to terrorists, etc. I just read on the internet that he uses "secret NLP and hypnotic techniques", hand movements and cadences based on Milton kson to hypnotize his audience--all very "scientifically" described.I hope each one of us gives this man a chance: to see what he actually proposes, see what the actual effects on us are. We've been fooled before (I voted for W the first time around), but going into each new situation with hope and an open mind is what truly makes us American.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlcgmail (DOT) comhttp://www.brain- trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Thank you for having the courage to step out and say how you feel. I live in Texas, so I am not in the majority here. I did just as you did with my voting over the last three presidential elections. I believe it's time for change no matter how many Americans are resistant and scared. I think it will be hard for many and there will be plenty of criticism. However, I will keep my eye on the ball down here and do all I can to help with the changes to come. -Nita Subject: ChangeTo: "braintrainer" <braintrainer >Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 6:35 AM Apologies for a post that has nothing to do with neurofeedback.I was up last night at 3am watching Obama's speech in Grant Park. As an American living in southern Brazil, watching his performance, I felt a clear call for a spirit of cooperation, of unity, of willingness to sacrifice, and a direction. Time will tell if my feeling last night--that Obama has the potential to be the great president we need in this moment--will turn out to be true. But it felt like it last night.I've spent most of my life trying to be a change agent (troublemaker, some might say). As a hospital administrator I was sent into failing organizations to turn them around in 18 months or less, (four situations in 7 years). I learned a lot about change and resistance to it. For 10 years I did neurofeedback with hundreds of clients who wanted to make changes in their lives--and did. There too, my job was to be a catalyst, and there too I saw resistance. I learned, and I've been teaching for at least 10 years, that if you would help change happen, you must "create space in the client and the support system into which the change can happen."Even though relatively few Americans are not in favor of fairly significant changes in the US, we have to recognize the possibility that we ourselves will be the resistance.The tone of our national conversation has become more rude and more cynical over the past decade. The level of personal attack and negative projection that has taken place in recent presidential campaigns is so strong that, during Senator McCain's excellent speech, when he mentioned President Obama, the crowd did as it has been trained to do: They booed the NAME! After the grueling, insane media circus we call a presidential race, it is very easy to believe that someone we have opposed is actually anything like the demon we have heard him/her made out to be. Obama is a (I'll just list some of them:) socialist, communist, radical, muslem fundamentalist, antichrist. He's going to raise YOUR taxes, bury small business, redistribute YOUR wealth, open the gates to terrorists, etc. I just read on the internet that he uses "secret NLP and hypnotic techniques", hand movements and cadences based on Milton kson to hypnotize his audience--all very "scientifically" described.I hope each one of us gives this man a chance: to see what he actually proposes, see what the actual effects on us are. We've been fooled before (I voted for W the first time around), but going into each new situation with hope and an open mind is what truly makes us American.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlcgmail (DOT) comhttp://www.brain- trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I would have to agree with you on that one foxx, I too was a Hillary Supporter and voted for McCain. Sorry if this upsets anyone...but Obama is way to far left for me...and unfortunately I think America is going to have the worst recession this country has ever seen... Kim Re: Change I cannot agree with Pete here. Hillary was our only chance. Obama is a creature of the corporations, oil companies, and health insurance industry. That's why he won. Foxx On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:35:14 -0200, Van Deusen wrote > Apologies for a post that has nothing to do with neurofeedback. > > I was up last night at 3am watching Obama's speech in Grant Park. As an American living in southern Brazil, watching his performance, I felt a clear call for a spirit of cooperation, of unity, of willingness to sacrifice, and a direction. Time will tell if my feeling last night--that Obama has the potential to be the great president we need in this moment--will turn out to be true. But it felt like it last night. > > I've spent most of my life trying to be a change agent (troublemaker, some might say). As a hospital administrator I was sent into failing organizations to turn them around in 18 months or less, (four situations in 7 years). I learned a lot about change and resistance to it. For 10 years I did neurofeedback with hundreds of clients who wanted to make changes in their lives--and did. There too, my job was to be a catalyst, and there too I saw resistance. I learned, and I've been teaching for at least 10 years, that if you would help change happen, you must "create space in the client and the support system into which the change can happen." > > Even though relatively few Americans are not in favor of fairly significant changes in the US, we have to recognize the possibility that we ourselves will be the resistance.The tone of our national conversation has become more rude and more cynical over the past decade. The level of personal attack and negative projection that has taken place in recent presidential campaigns is so strong that, during Senator McCain's excellent speech, when he mentioned President Obama, the crowd did as it has been trained to do: They booed the NAME! > > After the grueling, insane media circus we call a presidential race, it is very easy to believe that someone we have opposed is actually anything like the demon we have heard him/her made out to be. Obama is a (I'll just list some of them:) socialist, communist, radical, muslem fundamentalist, antichrist. He's going to raise YOUR taxes, bury small business, redistribute YOUR wealth, open the gates to terrorists, etc. I just read on the internet that he uses "secret NLP and hypnotic techniques", hand movements and cadences based on Milton kson to hypnotize his audience--all very "scientifically" described. > > I hope each one of us gives this man a chance: to see what he actually proposes, see what the actual effects on us are. We've been fooled before (I voted for W the first time around), but going into each new situation with hope and an open mind is what truly makes us American. > > Pete > -- > Van Deusen > pvdtlcgmail > http://www.brain-trainer.com > 305/433-3160 > The Learning Curve, Inc. > -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I would have to agree with you on that one foxx, I too was a Hillary Supporter and voted for McCain. Sorry if this upsets anyone...but Obama is way to far left for me...and unfortunately I think America is going to have the worst recession this country has ever seen... Kim Re: Change I cannot agree with Pete here. Hillary was our only chance. Obama is a creature of the corporations, oil companies, and health insurance industry. That's why he won. Foxx On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:35:14 -0200, Van Deusen wrote > Apologies for a post that has nothing to do with neurofeedback. > > I was up last night at 3am watching Obama's speech in Grant Park. As an American living in southern Brazil, watching his performance, I felt a clear call for a spirit of cooperation, of unity, of willingness to sacrifice, and a direction. Time will tell if my feeling last night--that Obama has the potential to be the great president we need in this moment--will turn out to be true. But it felt like it last night. > > I've spent most of my life trying to be a change agent (troublemaker, some might say). As a hospital administrator I was sent into failing organizations to turn them around in 18 months or less, (four situations in 7 years). I learned a lot about change and resistance to it. For 10 years I did neurofeedback with hundreds of clients who wanted to make changes in their lives--and did. There too, my job was to be a catalyst, and there too I saw resistance. I learned, and I've been teaching for at least 10 years, that if you would help change happen, you must "create space in the client and the support system into which the change can happen." > > Even though relatively few Americans are not in favor of fairly significant changes in the US, we have to recognize the possibility that we ourselves will be the resistance.The tone of our national conversation has become more rude and more cynical over the past decade. The level of personal attack and negative projection that has taken place in recent presidential campaigns is so strong that, during Senator McCain's excellent speech, when he mentioned President Obama, the crowd did as it has been trained to do: They booed the NAME! > > After the grueling, insane media circus we call a presidential race, it is very easy to believe that someone we have opposed is actually anything like the demon we have heard him/her made out to be. Obama is a (I'll just list some of them:) socialist, communist, radical, muslem fundamentalist, antichrist. He's going to raise YOUR taxes, bury small business, redistribute YOUR wealth, open the gates to terrorists, etc. I just read on the internet that he uses "secret NLP and hypnotic techniques", hand movements and cadences based on Milton kson to hypnotize his audience--all very "scientifically" described. > > I hope each one of us gives this man a chance: to see what he actually proposes, see what the actual effects on us are. We've been fooled before (I voted for W the first time around), but going into each new situation with hope and an open mind is what truly makes us American. > > Pete > -- > Van Deusen > pvdtlcgmail > http://www.brain-trainer.com > 305/433-3160 > The Learning Curve, Inc. > -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Have no fear, Jill, I'm done! But, it does have 'every' relevance, to neurofeedback as a most viable therapy and training, IMHO. You're welcome /ChuckD.... > > Yo, Pete! > > I couldn't bring myself, to witness that speech, but how many > times did the word FREEDOM pass his lips!? > > When the subject comes up, I've always pointed out that " 's > Dream " died, with him. > > What is the CHARACTER, of Obama's life associates ... his homies? > > /ChuckD... > > > > > -- > Van Deusen > pvdtlc@... > http://www.brain-trainer.com > 305/433-3160 > The Learning Curve, Inc. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Pete and others: There is not much to add to Pete’s discourse but to load on board with the others who see change as a necessary good. Like Pete, I have always been a thorn in the flesh of those who swung on the status quo as though it had some kind of divine baptism. I have always felt that we all have a duty to look at what is and ask couldn’t be better. If we did this daily, with diligence and insistence, we might not have to wait until the big IS rears up and bites us on the ass. I am thrilled to see that we US citizens appear to be seeking a better life for all and see President Obama as the instrumentality to make that happen. For the first time in many years I have a president who gives me pride and not one who makes me feel ashamed. Jim No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1771 - Release Date: 11/6/2008 7:58 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1771 - Release Date: 11/6/2008 7:58 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 I know I'm right there with you, and I'm probably not the only one. I'm sorry to hear you're losing faith, I'm dealing with that at the moment now too. I'm also young, I'll be 19 in about a month and I had to come home from school this weekend because I had a terrible week and was pretty depressed and feeling out of control. I had two weeks of excellent habits and feeling great... followed by a week of just eating and eating and eating... both in public and in private. And definitely it makes me wonder if this pattern and cycle of habits will ever end. There are definite times when I think it won't. And then I remember that there are people here, lots of people, who have thought the same thing and yet found success through their efforts, and the inspiration and support here. If anything it can't hurt, right? In other words, yes it is completely possible for things like this to end. I mean, it has happened. So it's been proven now; it's not impossible. If you ever want to talk, feel free to e-mail me, I mean it! Meg Subject: change To: insideoutweightloss Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 4:35 AM hey everyone. i haven't posted here for a while but i just wanted to reach out because i'm losing faith. i've been dealing with some disordered eating issues for about 5 years and it's gotten increasingly worst in the last 3. i have this pattern where basically i decide i don't want to binge anymore, start to eat and act healthy for 3ish months and then crash. i stay in and just eat, eat, eat. and after every time i binge i feel awful, guilty, pathetic and disgusting. i guess i'm just telling you all this because i'm wondering if things every really change? i mean, i feel like i've been going up and down on this roller coaster and it never seems to get better. its just the same vicious cycle over and over again. and i'm scared because i'm young and fearful that i will never defeat this and am doomed to live my life obsessed with food. i apologize if this depresses anyone. i know as an IOWL listener i'm not supposed to think this, let alone tell anyone. but if theres anyone out there who's older who regretted not seeking help sooner please tell me what i should do now to make it better. or anyone, if anyone has any suggestions, fire away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 It must be the air or something because I am in the same place as both of you. I have pretty much doomed myself to living unhappily with my body for the rest of my (hopefully) long life. I had a bit of a binge on granola last night (my night weakness) and I can outline the exact causes, but I know that one includes an emotional blockage as usual. And I think that emotional aspect is due to the fact that I was at a pretty low weight this summer and guess what? My life didn't change. I still didn't find my prince charming, I wasn't any more popular, I wasn't turning heads everywhere I went... So I guess in my head I am like " Why try so hard? Whether I am 10 lbs lighter or heavier, my life is always the same crap. " So yeah, that's where I am at. I don't know that the podcasts have changed me at all. I really like listening to them, and I find some of 's points interesting to think about, but my letters of amazing success will never be read on her podcast. That's kind of sad, now that I am writing this. Oh well. I always get hope, but then it all just goes back to the same thing. Good luck to both of you Kirsten > > > Subject: change > To: insideoutweightloss > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 4:35 AM > > > > > > > hey everyone. i haven't posted here for a while but i just wanted to reach out because i'm losing faith. i've been dealing with some disordered eating issues for about 5 years and it's gotten increasingly worst in the last 3. i have this pattern where basically i decide i don't want to binge anymore, start to eat and act healthy for 3ish months and then crash. i stay in and just eat, eat, eat. and after every time i binge i feel awful, guilty, pathetic and disgusting. > > i guess i'm just telling you all this because i'm wondering if things every really change? i mean, i feel like i've been going up and down on this roller coaster and it never seems to get better. its just the same vicious cycle over and over again. and i'm scared because i'm young and fearful that i will never defeat this and am doomed to live my life obsessed with food. > > i apologize if this depresses anyone. i know as an IOWL listener i'm not supposed to think this, let alone tell anyone. but if theres anyone out there who's older who regretted not seeking help sooner please tell me what i should do now to make it better. or anyone, if anyone has any suggestions, fire away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Ok, well first of all, IOWL isn't about censoring yourself, or telling yourself that your feelings are wrong or bad, it's about making choices that are easier than the ones your making now. What would be easier for you than binge eating? What's easier than the kind of negative self-talk you are doing? Can you afford to do the once a week phone call with to figure out a way off the spiraling path you are on right now? As ridiculous as it is, I've only recently figured out the importance of taking each day as it comes. It can seem overwhelming to think about losing 30 pounds, stopping binge eating forever, eating healthfully, exercising every day, but think about being healthy today. Forget the weight, just do the best for yourself that you possibly can today and forget about tomorrow or next week or next year even. Whenever you tackle something difficult, you do it a little at a time. Big progress is the sum of small steps. You can do it and we're all here for you. Jenn > > hey everyone. i haven't posted here for a while but i just wanted to reach out because i'm losing faith. i've been dealing with some disordered eating issues for about 5 years and it's gotten increasingly worst in the last 3. i have this pattern where basically i decide i don't want to binge anymore, start to eat and act healthy for 3ish months and then crash. i stay in and just eat, eat, eat. and after every time i binge i feel awful, guilty, pathetic and disgusting. > > i guess i'm just telling you all this because i'm wondering if things every really change? i mean, i feel like i've been going up and down on this roller coaster and it never seems to get better. its just the same vicious cycle over and over again. and i'm scared because i'm young and fearful that i will never defeat this and am doomed to live my life obsessed with food. > > i apologize if this depresses anyone. i know as an IOWL listener i'm not supposed to think this, let alone tell anyone. but if theres anyone out there who's older who regretted not seeking help sooner please tell me what i should do now to make it better. or anyone, if anyone has any suggestions, fire away. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Kirsten, is professional help available to you? You send very depressed. Positive change can only come from a place of real motivation for a better life for yourself. If you work on feeling better about yourself and your life for the sake of it, I'll bet you'll find that all of the other things you want in life will follow. Try listening to the podcasts on the Law of Attraction or go out and rent the movie or buy the book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Thank you for sharing. I wouldn't not be listening to IOWL if I didn't have similar problems w/binging or overeating (and then trying to change and falling off the wagon over and over again). I've done it too many times to count. For me, 5-6 months was my time limit for change and I've been doing it since my early 20's (I'm 39). Every time I tried to change, I thought that it was going to be permanent change. Unfortunately, I think the missing piece was in my head; my thought processes about food didn't change, and I really didn't have a " towards motivation " ; I only had an " away from " motivation. I wanted my hips to shrink and to not be embarrassed by my weight; I find that I'm no longer embarrassed and my hips are okay once I reach a certain weight, which is only half-way to my goal. This time, I've got 10 months of healthy eating and exercising consistently (minus about a month of too little exercise). I'm taking it one day at a time, sort of like I'm an alchoholic in recovery. How many of us have this all figured out? I don't, but I have hope because I believe that I can change my behavior if I want to. It started w/the decision to change and then, with the help of , I developed the important reasons behind the choice. Only time will tell whether the changes I make now are permanent. And, of course, I'm going to slip up sometimes. Some of the most important changes that I made was that I had to learn to chose to take care of myself, find other pleasurable activities to sooth myself, and change my thoughts patterns about food. One " light bulb moment " , for me was (as Oprah puts it) was when said on episode #008, The Natural Slender Eating Strategy, Part II, was, " If you say to yourself 'I deserve this' as you walk by the office goodies, or consider that 2nd or 3rd or 5th slice of pizza, if you're thinking, 'I deserve this', well, I'll tell you what, you do deserve good things. And you're going to go ahead and eat it then.... " . If your idea of something good for you, that you deserve, if you're idea of a treat is putting extra calories in your body and extra saturated fat and extra cholesterol and extra processed substances that you body won't know what to do with, well, then that's what you're going to do. " It might help you if you can find examples of people who have permanently lost weight (several years at or around goal weight) or overcome an eating disorder. They are out there, and you can be one of them. There might not be any on this list because we wouldn't be here if we didn't struggle like you do. Bev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Jenn, I think this is the second time you have suggested I see a professional. Unfortunately at this point of my life, I do not think this is the best option for me. Not only do I not have the money for somehting like that (I already have tuition and living expenses to worry about), but even if I did, I am apprehensive and not fully open to using what money I do have on something that I think I can get in other ways (reading, writing, internet, podcasts, friends). I am usually on some kind of emotional rollercoaster, and I was having a down day when I wrote that post. Now today, I feel much better. I spoke with a friend, and as I talked, I realized the thoughts running through my head were so bogus that I couldn't even justify them in a conversation. An example of something I might say: Me: " I am so lazy! " Him: " What are you talking about? You go to the gym once a day. Everytime I talk to you, you are like 'brb, going to the gym'. " Me: " True but... " So today I have the opposite view of life, and I think that I am pretty lucky. I have most everything I could want, and the things that I don't have have nothing to do with my weight. Kirsten > > Kirsten, is professional help available to you? You send very depressed. Positive change can only come from a place of real motivation for a better life for yourself. If you work on feeling better about yourself and your life for the sake of it, I'll bet you'll find that all of the other things you want in life will follow. Try listening to the podcasts on the Law of Attraction or go out and rent the movie or buy the book. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Hi Kirsten, I'm encouraged that you are able to seek out and use sources of self-help. I can't tell from the tone of your post whether you are bothered that someone suggests that you may consider seeking professional help or not. For whatever reason, " seeking professional help " is equated with " you are a crazy lunatic " for many people. I'm not trying to make assumptions about what Jenn was intending to communicate either. I just saw an opportunity to interject that professional help can be as simple as a consultation with a dietitian, a meeting with your clergy, an appointment with the counseling center at your school, booking a massage with a therapist, getting a checkup with your physician, or a session with a personal trainer. If you're interested in self-help approaches to decreasing negative thoughts & feelings, " The Feeling Good Handbook " is a CLASSIC workbook based on cognitive therapy, and is wonderful for getting a handle on depressive feelings and anxiety. " The How of Happiness " is a wonderful book that takes the average person and gives them specific, research-based strategies and techniques for boosting their happiness and well-being. I hope today brings you a bunch of good things, and I hope I haven't offended anyone by jumping into the middle of things... COV > > > > Kirsten, is professional help available to you? You send very depressed. Positive change can only come from a place of real motivation for a better life for yourself. If you work on feeling better about yourself and your life for the sake of it, I'll bet you'll find that all of the other things you want in life will follow. Try listening to the podcasts on the Law of Attraction or go out and rent the movie or buy the book. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 For about 2 years I saw a therapist who was a licensed social worker. Her advice and ability to listen with empathy helped me beyond measure. At the lowest point of my depression she said to me " have you thought about trying antidepressants? " and I said " this is me on antidepressants. " She advised me to see a psychiatrist for medication management who quickly realized that zoloft was not helping me at all. He switched my medication and I finally started to see the cloud lift and just as said, it allowed 's words to work. I'm now at a point, where I look forward to daily exercise because nothing makes me feel as good as a workout does. I'm still on antidepressants, but I've reduced my dosage thanks to IOWL and hope to go off them completely in the next year, but if it weren't for the help of a good counselor I might still be in the depths of a gripping depression. I'm sure to some seeking a therapists' help can seem very stigmatizing and I certainly don't relish telling people I have a pyschiatrist, but shame is part of what sent me to the food bin for consolation so I am forthright about my battle with depression because shame has no place in my life anymore. It was certainly not my intention to cause offense, I was merely offering a suggestion for something that worked wonders for me. Jenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Jenn, this is very good advice. Thank you because I needed to hear just that, right this moment. It IS overwhelming to think about how much you still have to go to get to your goal, or how are you ever going to achieve it. I want to let myself dream about my future, without the critic interrupting. I want to be motivated to get the best for myself out of today, and be grateful for what I have now. In response to the first post, I can very much relate to what you're saying about being on track for X time and then going the opposite direction. I see this in my life, and not only on food issues. I don't know if this will help you, but it is just my thoughts, that I wanted to share. I think that this behavior is self sabotage, and the reason of it is lack of inner alignment. I think there is something in me that doesn't wan't me to achieve my goals. And I know that there is a positive intent in it. I haven't quite been able pin point what it is that Im afraid of, or what it is that my subconscious wants to avoid. But what I know is that there is no need to feel awful, guilty, etc... because your mind is just protecting itself from pain that it thinks it'll get. You have to find what it is that is holding you back, and acknowledge the message. That is the first step. I was talking to a psychiatrist friend the other day, and he said that there is something in my past that still causes me pain. He figured that there was a moment in my life where I started being very demanding with myself, for some reason. This causes me to have very high expectations for myself and others. He said I also might not be letting myself be who I truly am, in some way, and that I'm blocking myself from feelings that might hurt me. This is causing me to develop compulsive behaviors, one of which could be overeating. He suggested I figure out when that moment was, and start working it out, maybe with a professional. This was very interesting for me, because he was right about so much, and I realized that there is something going on inside me that I need to start paying attention to. And lastly I just want to remind you to enjoy the journey of learning and improving little by little. Remember the myth of arrival? You don't need to be perfect in order to feel good now. Choose to be imperfect (as crazy as that sounds) and be grateful for each oportunity to learn more about yourself. We must learn to focus more on our success, and remember that we are " learning to walk " here. Big hug to all of you reading, Sara > > > > hey everyone. i haven't posted here for a while but i just wanted to reach out because i'm losing faith. i've been dealing with some disordered eating issues for about 5 years and it's gotten increasingly worst in the last 3. i have this pattern where basically i decide i don't want to binge anymore, start to eat and act healthy for 3ish months and then crash. i stay in and just eat, eat, eat. and after every time i binge i feel awful, guilty, pathetic and disgusting. > > > > i guess i'm just telling you all this because i'm wondering if things every really change? i mean, i feel like i've been going up and down on this roller coaster and it never seems to get better. its just the same vicious cycle over and over again. and i'm scared because i'm young and fearful that i will never defeat this and am doomed to live my life obsessed with food. > > > > i apologize if this depresses anyone. i know as an IOWL listener i'm not supposed to think this, let alone tell anyone. but if theres anyone out there who's older who regretted not seeking help sooner please tell me what i should do now to make it better. or anyone, if anyone has any suggestions, fire away. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Wow. My comment sparked a bit of a debate, but I also am glad that I got to read these posts. I am really sorry for my ungrateful response. I was having a really emotional time (I will blame PMS if I can) and I totally responded like the inexperienced young adult that I am. I am feeling very unsure of myself right now, because I even had my dietician tell me that I should talk to a psychologist. And that scares the crap out of me. I don't want to be the " weird " one of my family, the one who isn't " normal. " I want to be able to control my life, my emotions...be strong. And so this is why I felt defensive. It is also true, though, that I don't think I can afford to see someone for $100+ a session. So yes, I'm sorry for freaking out. I really appreciate the support I get from everyone here and I would hate to jeopardize that all because I wasn't having a good day. Kirsten > > For about 2 years I saw a therapist who was a licensed social worker. Her advice and ability to listen with empathy helped me beyond measure. At the lowest point of my depression she said to me " have you thought about trying antidepressants? " and I said " this is me on antidepressants. " She advised me to see a psychiatrist for medication management who quickly realized that zoloft was not helping me at all. He switched my medication and I finally started to see the cloud lift and just as said, it allowed 's words to work. I'm now at a point, where I look forward to daily exercise because nothing makes me feel as good as a workout does. I'm still on antidepressants, but I've reduced my dosage thanks to IOWL and hope to go off them completely in the next year, but if it weren't for the help of a good counselor I might still be in the depths of a gripping depression. > > I'm sure to some seeking a therapists' help can seem very stigmatizing and I certainly don't relish telling people I have a pyschiatrist, but shame is part of what sent me to the food bin for consolation so I am forthright about my battle with depression because shame has no place in my life anymore. > > It was certainly not my intention to cause offense, I was merely offering a suggestion for something that worked wonders for me. > > Jenn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 They do have a free counseling center...I called them in the fall when I first started having binging problems. They told me that I could put my name on the 80 person wait-list. That's when I was compelled to hang up. P.S. Your story is so touching. I hope you find a great child to adopt, and that you get to fulfill your dreams! > > > > > > For about 2 years I saw a therapist who was a licensed social > > worker. Her advice and ability to listen with empathy helped me > > beyond measure. At the lowest point of my depression she said to me > > " have you thought about trying antidepressants? " and I said " this is > > me on antidepressants. " She advised me to see a psychiatrist for > > medication management who quickly realized that zoloft was not > > helping me at all. He switched my medication and I finally started > > to see the cloud lift and just as said, it allowed 's > > words to work. I'm now at a point, where I look forward to daily > > exercise because nothing makes me feel as good as a workout does. > > I'm still on antidepressants, but I've reduced my dosage thanks to > > IOWL and hope to go off them completely in the next year, but if it > > weren't for the help of a good counselor I might still be in the > > depths of a gripping depression. > > > > > > I'm sure to some seeking a therapists' help can seem very > > stigmatizing and I certainly don't relish telling people I have a > > pyschiatrist, but shame is part of what sent me to the food bin for > > consolation so I am forthright about my battle with depression > > because shame has no place in my life anymore. > > > > > > It was certainly not my intention to cause offense, I was merely > > offering a suggestion for something that worked wonders for me. > > > > > > Jenn > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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