Re: Accidental Tubal Ligations?

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I was offered a hysterectomy once since the OB "knew" I was Catholic and that would "take care of the birth control issue". I left the office and never returned- AND had 7 more pregnancies, 5 live births...PS sorry for emails earlier- I was hacked! "Accidental" Tubal Ligations?Hello All,Below is an email we received looking for an Ob-Gyn referral.  This is a example of where a true believer of the contraceptive mentality goes with the underlying anti-child mind set.This is a threat of violence with a wink, if you ask me.Any feedback for this young mother?*******************************************************I am currently 20 weeks pregnant, and I LOVE my O.B. Her practice, however, requires that you rotate through all of the physicians until the last month, and THEN you can see YOUR O.B. full-time.To make a VERY long story short, yesterday I had one of the O.B.'s in the practice (who has asked me twice now if I want a tubal ligation--both times I've answered no, and she's scoffed at my reasons both times.)Yesterday, though, I think she crossed the line. She asked if I was going to schedule a tubal with this c-section, and I, once again, said, " No, " and explained that we don't want to nor CAN we do to religious beliefs.She rolled her eyes and then said, " Well, we could always make you excessively bleed during the c-section so that you HAD to have a tubal... " If she was going for humor, I think she was way off. And I enjoy humor.The thought that my awesome doctor could be gone the day of the c-section and Dr. McScissor-happy could walk in for the c-section terrifies me.So, after crying on my way out (in shock a bit), I came home and started thinking more and more about the situation.Apart from filing complaints and demanding to talk to MY doctor, I'm also trying to get some feedback on other hospitals/pro-life O.B.'s.*********************************************************The mind reels... I wonder how many of this woman's patients " excessively bled " and " needed " a tubal ligation.Finally, all of you, have unity of spirit, sympathy, love of the brethren, a tender heart and a humble mind. 1 3:8

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Penny,Your referral's reaction is reasonable. I do not understand why her regular OB-Gyn would allow her to be referred to a possibly malpracticing doctor.  She should " insist " that this end for her peace of mind and safety.  She may have to warn the the parties involved that she would take the matter

to a medical board or some controlling legal body. Let us know how this is resolved.  Fr. Tom

 

Hello All,Below is an email we received looking for an Ob-Gyn referral.  This is a example of where a true believer of the contraceptive mentality goes with the underlying anti-child mind set.This is a threat of violence with a wink, if you ask me.

Any feedback for this young mother?

*******************************************************I am currently 20 weeks pregnant, and I LOVE my O.B. Her practice, however, requires that you rotate through all of the physicians until the last month, and THEN you can see YOUR O.B. full-time.

To make a VERY long story short, yesterday I had one of the O.B.'s in the practice (who has asked me twice now if I want a tubal ligation--both times I've answered no, and she's scoffed at my reasons both times.)

Yesterday, though, I think she crossed the line. She asked if I was going to schedule a tubal with this c-section, and I, once again, said, " No, " and explained that we don't want to nor CAN we do to religious beliefs.

She rolled her eyes and then said, " Well, we could always make you excessively bleed during the c-section so that you HAD to have a tubal... "

If she was going for humor, I think she was way off. And I enjoy humor.

The thought that my awesome doctor could be gone the day of the c-section and Dr. McScissor-happy could walk in for the c-section terrifies me.

So, after crying on my way out (in shock a bit), I came home and started thinking more and more about the situation.

Apart from filing complaints and demanding to talk to MY doctor, I'm also trying to get some feedback on other hospitals/pro-life O.B.'s.

*********************************************************The mind reels... I wonder how many of this woman's patients " excessively bled " and " needed " a tubal ligation.

Finally, all of you, have unity of spirit, sympathy, love of the brethren, a tender heart and a humble mind. 1 3:8

[Guest guest]

Thank you Fr.If I hear how it is resolved I will certainly let you know.Penny

 

Penny,Your referral's reaction is reasonable. I do not understand why her regular OB-Gyn would allow her to be referred to a possibly malpracticing doctor.  She should " insist " that this end for her peace of mind and safety.  She may have to warn the the parties involved that she would take the matter

to a medical board or some controlling legal body. Let us know how this is resolved.  Fr. Tom

 

Hello All,Below is an email we received looking for an Ob-Gyn referral.  This is a example of where a true believer of the contraceptive mentality goes with the underlying anti-child mind set.This is a threat of violence with a wink, if you ask me.

Any feedback for this young mother?

*******************************************************I am currently 20 weeks pregnant, and I LOVE my O.B. Her practice, however, requires that you rotate through all of the physicians until the last month, and THEN you can see YOUR O.B. full-time.

To make a VERY long story short, yesterday I had one of the O.B.'s in the practice (who has asked me twice now if I want a tubal ligation--both times I've answered no, and she's scoffed at my reasons both times.)

Yesterday, though, I think she crossed the line. She asked if I was going to schedule a tubal with this c-section, and I, once again, said, " No, " and explained that we don't want to nor CAN we do to religious beliefs.

She rolled her eyes and then said, " Well, we could always make you excessively bleed during the c-section so that you HAD to have a tubal... "

If she was going for humor, I think she was way off. And I enjoy humor.

The thought that my awesome doctor could be gone the day of the c-section and Dr. McScissor-happy could walk in for the c-section terrifies me.

So, after crying on my way out (in shock a bit), I came home and started thinking more and more about the situation.

Apart from filing complaints and demanding to talk to MY doctor, I'm also trying to get some feedback on other hospitals/pro-life O.B.'s.

*********************************************************The mind reels... I wonder how many of this woman's patients " excessively bled " and " needed " a tubal ligation.

Finally, all of you, have unity of spirit, sympathy, love of the brethren, a tender heart and a humble mind. 1 3:8

-- Finally, all of you, have unity of spirit, sympathy, love of the brethren, a tender heart and a humble mind. 1 3:8

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This is clearly unethical & the patient does have room for recourse. His curt, joking manner about committing a form of malpractice is unacceptable & in no way adds to a quality level of care for his patient. I've attached the latest ACOG Practice Bulletin in serilization. Within it you will see that patients not seeking a permanent solution or showing ambivalence toward the procedure should not be pursued as good candidates for the procedure. (Look especially at the 1st couple & last few paragraphs of the article for this info.)

It hasn't been too long ago that women who were deemed unfit candidates for future pregnancies (i.e: young, black, single mothers with multiple children) were coerced/forced to have tubal ligations.  This is why there is now paperwork that must be signed by the woman greater than 30 days before the procedure is to take place- so that NO sense of coercion is attached to this elective, yet permanent procedure.

This physician's behavior is clearly out of line on many levels- not only the professional one. If this is a country of " choice " & all choices are to be respected, that means that our choice to decline such unnecessary procedures is a valid one & is to be respected as well.

I hope that the patient does not " let this one slide " & reports the physician's behavior to the appropriate administrators. This is important for both patients & physicians. It must be reported in order to insure proper standards of patient care, as well as to document noncompliance with accepted ACOG practice guidelines.

Penny- is this patient in the KC area? If so, I may be able to help her find another Ob/Gyn who is more understanding. Hopefully, she can work things out with her current Ob/Gyn who seems to be a good fit. Either way, tell her to refuse any treatment from the rogue physician at time of delivery. At this point- it is a conflict of interest & neither the patient nor the physician would be wise to participate in a delivery together.

I will keep your patient in my prayers.God Bless,-- M. Padley, MD, MBA

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I agree that it should be reported.  Thank you for your comment.-- Picella, PhD, NP

 

This is clearly unethical & the patient does have room for recourse. His curt, joking manner about committing a form of malpractice is unacceptable & in no way adds to a quality level of care for his patient. I've attached the latest ACOG Practice Bulletin in serilization. Within it you will see that patients not seeking a permanent solution or showing ambivalence toward the procedure should not be pursued as good candidates for the procedure. (Look especially at the 1st couple & last few paragraphs of the article for this info.)

It hasn't been too long ago that women who were deemed unfit candidates for future pregnancies (i.e: young, black, single mothers with multiple children) were coerced/forced to have tubal ligations.  This is why there is now paperwork that must be signed by the woman greater than 30 days before the procedure is to take place- so that NO sense of coercion is attached to this elective, yet permanent procedure.

This physician's behavior is clearly out of line on many levels- not only the professional one. If this is a country of " choice " & all choices are to be respected, that means that our choice to decline such unnecessary procedures is a valid one & is to be respected as well.

I hope that the patient does not " let this one slide " & reports the physician's behavior to the appropriate administrators. This is important for both patients & physicians. It must be reported in order to insure proper standards of patient care, as well as to document noncompliance with accepted ACOG practice guidelines.

Penny- is this patient in the KC area? If so, I may be able to help her find another Ob/Gyn who is more understanding. Hopefully, she can work things out with her current Ob/Gyn who seems to be a good fit. Either way, tell her to refuse any treatment from the rogue physician at time of delivery. At this point- it is a conflict of interest & neither the patient nor the physician would be wise to participate in a delivery together.

I will keep your patient in my prayers.God Bless,-- M. Padley, MD, MBA

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This clinician's statement and reaction is unprofessional, illegal, and

unethical. And it indeed does sound like a thinly veiled threat of assault and

battery (surgery done without the patients consent). Because this was a private

discussion and would be a case of " she said, she said " , it may well be that the

only thing that can be done is to report it to the State Board of Medicine or

possibly the Committe on Ethics of ACOG. (By the way, I once had an Ob colleague

who was reported to the ethics board for having too many pictures of Jesus in

his office!!) Nevertheless, this practitioner should not be allowed to say such

things without some kind of response. Mr. Obama wants everyone to have choice,

what about the choice to not be coerced into a permanent procedure that you

don't want? And further, what about the choice to have a doctor who will

respect your choices??

" Accidental " Tubal Ligations?

Hello All,

Below is an email we received looking for an Ob-Gyn referral.  This is a

example of where a true believer of the contraceptive mentality goes with the

underlying anti-child mind set.

This is a threat of violence with a wink, if you ask me.

Any feedback for this young mother?

*******************************************************

I am currently 20 weeks pregnant, and I LOVE my O.B. Her practice, however,

requires that you rotate through all of the physicians until the last month, and

THEN you can see YOUR O.B. full-time.

To make a VERY long story short, yesterday I had one of the O.B.'s in the

practice (who has asked me twice now if I want a tubal ligation--both times I've

answered no, and she's scoffed at my reasons both times.)

Yesterday, though, I think she crossed the line. She asked if I was going to

schedule a tubal with this c-section, and I, once again, said, " No, " and

explained that we don't want to nor CAN we do to religious beliefs.

She rolled her eyes and then said, " Well, we could always make you excessively

bleed during the c-section so that you HAD to have a tubal... "

If she was going for humor, I think she was way off. And I enjoy humor.

The thought that my awesome doctor could be gone the day of the c-section and

Dr. McScissor-happy could walk in for the c-section terrifies me.

So, after crying on my way out (in shock a bit), I came home and started

thinking more and more about the situation.

Apart from filing complaints and demanding to talk to MY doctor, I'm also trying

to get some feedback on other hospitals/pro-life O.B.'s.

*********************************************************

The mind reels... I wonder how many of this woman's patients " excessively bled "

and " needed " a tubal ligation.

Finally, all of you, have unity of spirit, sympathy, love of the brethren, a

tender heart and a humble mind. 1 3:8

[Guest guest]

the misguided think they are doing you a favor to offer, or promote tubal ligation, abortion, contraception.They have a misguided view of what constitutes a good outcomeand therefore they do not give good medical care this is why patients need good prolife doctorsIt is not that they are technically unable to give good carethey are philosophically unable to give honest good careThey give counselling to patients that they think is honest and accurate(i.e. "OCPs are not abortifacient")Which we know to be blatantly dishonest They think since they are "pro-choice"that they can give patients the good choice and the bad choice and the patient can chooseBut because they are philosophiocally unable to provide good honest careThey set up what we think is a dishonest choice For example, in OBYou have X condition, and you must have an abortion otherwise you will diepatient refuses iuf she is smart enough to see through the bullsPitOK, well will have to give you medication/surgery to treat condition9She thinks, if you were honest you would have given me the third choice the first time Manmy patients told me they were given what i believe to be inaccurate choicesthey chose wrongand lived for the rest of their lives with regret, self doubt etc Several have told me that had spontaneous rupture at about 22 weeksthey were told baby woulds likely die(That part is true)and that if it did live, it was certain to have severe neurologic disabilities(this part is not true--at worst, less than 40%)If patient does not submit to terminationA new and different doctor in training comes into the room once every hour and saysReally!!?? You not having a termination?!! Does Dr. So and so know about this??!!And you really understand all the risks-you develop an overwhelming infection and likely die(I've never seen such a case)Well! Humph!! I will have s to tell the chief resident about thisAll to imply that the patient is certifiably crazy to want expectant manbagement for preterm rupture of membranesAfter such "Prochoice" 'counselling' many patients are bullied into submission, as are their clergy if they ask them In sumProlife patients can not get good care from pro-choice doctorsThere care is adequate some of the timebut when most importantit is far off basis, and dangerous

Paddy Jim Baggot MD

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I am not so sure that what the doctor said is illegal, unfortunately. It is deifinitely unethical. It is likely against a policiy of the health care facility. I think a letter of complaint to the woman's employer is in order. Imagine if a physician made an anti-Moslem or anti-Semitic statement. Cathoilics are fair game.

How would this statement be illegal? It is a very bad, tasteles, insulting joke. Unfortunately many times in the past hysterectomies (not tubal ligations) were done in Catholic hospitals for sterilization wiith marginal indications.

D

Subject: Re: "Accidental" Tubal Ligations?To: nfpprofessionals Date: Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 11:10 AM

This clinician's statement and reaction is unprofessional, illegal, and unethical. And it indeed does sound like a thinly veiled threat of assault and battery (surgery done without the patients consent). Because this was a private discussion and would be a case of "she said, she said", it may well be that the only thing that can be done is to report it to the State Board of Medicine or possibly the Committe on Ethics of ACOG. (By the way, I once had an Ob colleague who was reported to the ethics board for having too many pictures of Jesus in his office!!) Nevertheless, this practitioner should not be allowed to say such things without some kind of response. Mr. Obama wants everyone to have choice, what about the choice to not be coerced into a permanent procedure that you don't want? And further, what about the choice to have a doctor who will respect your choices?? "Accidental" Tubal Ligations? Hello All, Below is an email we received looking for an Ob-Gyn referral. This is a example of where a true believer of the contraceptive mentality goes with the underlying anti-child mind set. This is a threat of violence with a wink, if you ask me. Any feedback for this young mother? ******************************************************* I am currently 20 weeks pregnant, and I LOVE my O.B. Her practice, however, requires that you rotate through all of the physicians until the last month, and THEN you can see

YOUR O.B. full-time. To make a VERY long story short, yesterday I had one of the O.B.'s in the practice (who has asked me twice now if I want a tubal ligation--both times I've answered no, and she's scoffed at my reasons both times.) Yesterday, though, I think she crossed the line. She asked if I was going to schedule a tubal with this c-section, and I, once again, said, "No," and explained that we don't want to nor CAN we do to religious beliefs. She rolled her eyes and then said, "Well, we could always make you excessively bleed during the c-section so that you HAD to have a tubal..." If she was going for humor, I think she was way off. And I enjoy humor. The thought that my awesome doctor could be gone the day of the c-section and Dr. McScissor-happy could walk in for the c-section terrifies me. So, after crying on my way out (in shock a bit), I came home and started thinking more and more about the

situation. Apart from filing complaints and demanding to talk to MY doctor, I'm also trying to get some feedback on other hospitals/pro-life O.B.'s. ********************************************************* The mind reels... I wonder how many of this woman's patients "excessively bled" and "needed" a tubal ligation. Finally, all of you, have unity of spirit, sympathy, love of the brethren, a tender heart and a humble mind. 1 3:8

[Guest guest]

, you're right, the threat itself is not illegal...the doctor would have to

follow through and perform the tubal without the patient's consent which would

constitute assault and battery. I find it amazing that one would feel

" comfortable " enough in such a position to admit out loud to the patient their

willingness to do such a thing.

" Accidental " Tubal Ligations?

Hello All,

Below is an email we received looking for an Ob-Gyn referral.  This is a

example of where a true believer of the contraceptive mentality goes with the

underlying anti-child mind set.

This is a threat of violence with a wink, if you ask me.

Any feedback for this young mother?

*******************************************************

I am currently 20 weeks pregnant, and I LOVE my O.B. Her practice, however,

requires that you rotate through all of the physicians until the last month, and

THEN you can see YOUR O.B. full-time.

To make a VERY long story short, yesterday I had one of the O.B.'s in the

practice (who has asked me twice now if I want a tubal ligation--both times I've

answered no, and she's scoffed at my reasons both times.)

Yesterday, though, I think she crossed the line. She asked if I was going to

schedule a tubal with this c-section, and I, once again, said, " No, " and

explained that we don't want to nor CAN we do to religious beliefs.

She rolled her eyes and then said, " Well, we could always make you excessively

bleed during the c-section so that you HAD to have a tubal... "

If she was going for humor, I think she was way off. And I enjoy humor.

The thought that my awesome doctor could be gone the day of the c-section and

Dr. McScissor-happy could walk in for the c-section terrifies me.

So, after crying on my way out (in shock a bit), I came home and started

thinking more and more about the situation.

Apart from filing complaints and demanding to talk to MY doctor, I'm also trying

to get some feedback on other hospitals/pro-life O.B.'s.

*********************************************************

The mind reels... I wonder how many of this woman's patients " excessively bled "

and " needed " a tubal ligation.

Finally, all of you, have unity of spirit, sympathy, love of the brethren, a

tender heart and a humble mind. 1 3:8

[Guest guest]

Thank you to all who replied.  I have encouraged this young mother to follow through via email to her, but have not received a response.  I am in hopes that she will do the responsible and courageous thing.Penny on

 

, you're right, the threat itself is not illegal...the doctor would have to follow through and perform the tubal without the patient's consent which would constitute assault and battery. I find it amazing that one would feel " comfortable " enough in such a position to admit out loud to the patient their willingness to do such a thing.

" Accidental " Tubal Ligations?

Hello All,

Below is an email we received looking for an Ob-Gyn referral.  This is a example of where a true believer of the contraceptive mentality goes with the underlying anti-child mind set.

This is a threat of violence with a wink, if you ask me.

Any feedback for this young mother?

*******************************************************

I am currently 20 weeks pregnant, and I LOVE my O.B. Her practice, however, requires that you rotate through all of the physicians until the last month, and THEN you can see YOUR O.B. full-time.

To make a VERY long story short, yesterday I had one of the O.B.'s in the practice (who has asked me twice now if I want a tubal ligation--both times I've answered no, and she's scoffed at my reasons both times.)

Yesterday, though, I think she crossed the line. She asked if I was going to schedule a tubal with this c-section, and I, once again, said, " No, " and explained that we don't want to nor CAN we do to religious beliefs.

She rolled her eyes and then said, " Well, we could always make you excessively bleed during the c-section so that you HAD to have a tubal... "

If she was going for humor, I think she was way off. And I enjoy humor.

The thought that my awesome doctor could be gone the day of the c-section and Dr. McScissor-happy could walk in for the c-section terrifies me.

So, after crying on my way out (in shock a bit), I came home and started thinking more and more about the situation.

Apart from filing complaints and demanding to talk to MY doctor, I'm also trying to get some feedback on other hospitals/pro-life O.B.'s.

*********************************************************

The mind reels... I wonder how many of this woman's patients " excessively bled " and " needed " a tubal ligation.

Finally, all of you, have unity of spirit, sympathy, love of the brethren, a tender heart and a humble mind. 1 3:8

-- Finally, all of you, have unity of spirit, sympathy, love of the brethren, a tender heart and a humble mind. 1 3:8And which of you by being anxious can add a cubit to his span of life?  If then you are not able to do as small a thing as that, why are you anxious about the rest? ~Gospel of St. Luke 12:25-26