Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

September 19, 2011

Baby swiss is only like 35mg per 1oz. that is the only kind i eat now. ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high alsoTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 7:19

PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Nat where are you buying your cheese at? Most cheeses are 200mg

sodium per one ounce serving which is not a lot.

All cheese i buy has labels.

No labels on cheese!!!!!!

Natalia

From:

Clarence Grim

To:

"hyperaldosteronism "

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 6:59 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not feel well after

exercise

Read the labels.

Tiped sad Send form mi

iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Sep 19, 2011, at 18:56, Natalia Kamneva

wrote:

Thank you, Don!

It's exactly what I wanted to

learn : about cheese and sodium, since

no labels on it!

I eat a lot of cheese, I would

say it's my main protein. I thought

that Jarlsberg and Mozzarela

are low sodium, but it's my

pure impression, no real knowledge of

a subject.

I will try now Swiss and Muenster.

What I also figured out - I eat

cheese without bread or with Matzos,

that contains 0 sodium, since cheese and

bread already too much sodium.

Many thanks,

Natalia

From:

Don Krebs

To:

hyperaldosteronism

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 6:39 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not

feel well after exercise

Natalia,

How

does cheese fit into your

plan? I recently learned

Swiss and Muenster are

naturally low sodium.

On

Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 6:14 PM,

Natalia Kamneva

wrote:

The

problem with

eating a lot

of meat and

poultry is

that they

themselves

contain a lot

of sodium.

When

pure carbs

don't.

I also

have diabetes

and also have

the same

problem as

and

Phyliss,

nevertheless

eating more

meat is not a

way

to

diet. Then you

HAVE to very

carefully

watch meat's

labels, what

is seldom

possible. Fish

is much

better, it

usually has

label

and

contains 90%

less sodium.

Natalia

From:

Phyllis

To:

hyperaldosteronism

Sent:

Sunday,

September 18,

2011 1:07 PM

Subject:

Re:

Re: Do not

feel well

after exercise

,

I also can't

tolerate carb

laden foods

and dairy. I

have insulin

resistance and

metabolic

syndrome.

I have also

put on some

weight eating

this way. I

will go back

to low carb

with high

potassium

vegetables. I

had a baked

potato

yesterday and

I feel so sick

today. This

morning I had

potatoes for

breakfast and

I am so sick

and sluggish.

I thought

maybe I could

tolerate

eating this

way if i kept

my potassium

up. Now I know

I can't.

I will go back

to low carb

but like you I

wasn't eating

low sodium. I

will start

over again.

The thing is I

have bought so

many carb

laden foods!!

Phyllis

On 9/18/2011

12:25 PM,

Brown

wrote:

Yes.

I have the his

book and had

read it a few

times. Thanks!

I sometimes

think khe

eforgets that

we probably

ate alot of

bugs and worms

on the paleo

diet. Not

really

interested in

doing htat

myself...lol

I

dont really

follow any

specific low

carb diet when

I do it. I

liked the

Protein Power

books and the

ideas behind

them, and well

as the Paleo

diet concepts.

I also read

Adkins books.

I think all of

them are

"Dash-like"

compliant or

at a minimum

can be

modified to be

that way. What

I did that

made this

"dashing-like"

thing work is

cut back on

the salt. It

wasnt "DASH"

that helped

me, it was

"low sodium

diet", period.

The

idea of Dash

to me is less

about the

servings of

this or that

food group

being a one

size fits all

people. It's

helpful for us

with PA

because of the

low sodium

eating and

higher

potassium.

But, lets face

it. Most of us

cant eat

enough

potassium in

natural foods

to out do the

losses from

Aldo. We need

suppliments in

most cases. I

can eat a ton

of spinich,

which I like

ans still be

low carbing if

i time it

right. I can

find ways to

eat natural

foods that are

basically Dash

foods. But, if

we didnt have

PA, dash would

probably be

easy and a

heathy way of

eating. But,

if you are

gluten

sensative or

fractose

intolerant,

forget it. You

cant DASH by

the book. Next

best thing,

eat the foods

that help YOU

and cut the

salt.

I

am eating a

ton of high

potassium

foods, and

taking

perscription K

suppliments,

and still cant

keep enough K

in me. I am

eating low

sodium diet.

My BP is

always normal

or below now.

Yet, I still

have issues

with muscles

and I am

gaining more

weight. If

Dash-like or

low sodium -

low carb

eating will

help me cut

the weight

back, then

that is what I

must do. I am

not wrapped

around the

DASH axle. I

have listened

here and read

all the

materials i

could find on

it.

It

seems what

really matters

at the end of

the day for PA

is "low

sodium, high

potassium",

and make sure

you are

getting all

the

electrolytes

and

micro-nutrients

your

individual

body

needs..through

foods where

possible.

I

think if the

forum focused

more on saying

Low-Sodium,

High Potassium

way of eating

rather than

whether or not

we are

"Dashing", low

carbing, or

eating worms

all day, it

would be more

encouraging. I

am not eating

8-11 servings

of grain

everyday,

period. I cant

have any

dairy. So if

that means I

am not

dashing,

tough. I am

not failing

just becuase I

am not eating

what is on

that

"diet-books"

plan

framework. I

am doing what

we really need

to do - eating

low sodium and

getting alot

of potassium.

Can I do

better? Yup.

One way for me

is to eat more

meat. It

satisfies me

and I dont eat

as many

calories that

way. It lowers

my insulin

levels and I

drop weight.

Maybe it

doesnt work

for everyone,

but not

everyone can

eat "dash" to

the letter

either. I am

basically

saying that

just because I

am honest and

say I am not

following DASH

as described

in 's

book doesnt

mean I am

failing to

attempt to

help treat PA

with diet. Dr

Grim says the

pee dont lie.

Right, but

what you are

looking at is

the K/Na

ratio, not how

much grain or

dairy I ate.

And you are

only looking

at what I did

in the last

24hrs or

so. I could

say I am

dashing to the

letter of the

law and if my

K/Na ratio

proves it,

noone knows if

I am eating

just meat or

noodles all

day

long...except

me.

DASH

is a way to

help PA, but

at the end of

the day, call

it what it is:

Low

Sodium/High

Potassium. If

you can

tolerate all

the

fruit/grain/dairy

then you can

do DASH per

the book if

you want. I

cant tolerate

all those, so

I will never

be doing DASH

by the exact

plan in the

book.

If Ms

was able to

drop 50lbs and

I was able to

drop almost 30

eating low

carb, then why

isnt that

something we

can talk about

here without

feeling like

we are being

perceived as

not complying

with the

recommended plan?

My

mistake on my

low carb

eating, which

may have very

well brought

PA out and

made if

visable is all

the damn salt

I was eating.

I wasnt

supplimenting

Potassium and

not eating K

rich foods. I

didnt know i

needed to be.

Now I do,

thanks to the

forum and Dr

Grim

I

use to eat

alot of bacon

everyday, tons

of pickles,

and home made

soup with salt

laden bullion

while doing my

low carb

plan. Good

God, it is

amazing I

didnt have

skyrocketing

BP. My blood

sugar was

great.

All

the anti-adkins

yapping in the

media about

eggs/fat

raising

cholesterol is

also pure BS.

I was

eating 3-4

eggs every

single day

with bacon. My

cholesterol

went down! I

dont have high

cholesterol

anyway, but i

proved that

eggs do not

raise it, nor

high fat

meats. I ate

alot of

steak...and

the fat on it.

Chicken with

all the skin

and fat

too...yet I

lost weight.

Since I

started eating

foods that the

low carb plans

would not

allow, I have

done nothing

but gain

weight.

If

the forum

wanted to

really be

helpful to

accomodate the

variety of us

on here who

"cant/wont/dont

want to"

follow the

DASH book

formula, we

would focus on

talking about

other ways to

eat a low

sodium/high

potassium

diet. We would

also talk

about how to

balance

suppliments

and eating,

and what blood

and urine

markers (other

than just

K/Na) to look

for to help

tailor YOUR

OWN diet and

suppliment

plan to treat

your

individual

needs of PA

and the stage

you are in.

DASH isnt

possible for

everyone. From

what I have

read here,

noone is

really

actually

following it

to the books

formula. Maybe

I am wrong and

just those of

us who are not

who talk about

it. For those

who dont want

to think, or

dont have

special needs,

follow DASH if

you want.

Dr

Grim, if I am

missing

something that

is material,

please correct

me. If not,

can you

acknowlege

that it is the

"low salt/high

potassium"

part of DASH

that is what

helps us with

PA, and that

ANY way of

eating/supplimenting

that meets

that objective

is encouraged.

DASH just

happens to be

a simple

formula that

will meet that

objective in a

simple plan

for those who

can/want to

use that

approach. It

will also

cover alot of

the

other things

like magnesium

and calcium

within the

natural foods

and minimize

suppliments.

But, if dairy,

grain, or

fruit, cause

IBS...then we

are not really

going to

absorb the

nutients

anyway and

need to find

an

alternative.

The rest of us

or not failing

to do

everything we

can to treat

PA, just

becuase we are

not following

DASH

specifically.

I want to stop

feeling like I

am outside the

"club" just

because I cant

eat all the

stuff on the

DASH plan.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian,

5'9"- 242lbs,

PA Diagnosed

2007 Suspected

Hyperplasia-No

tumors on CT -

No AVS.

Meds: 50mg

Inspra, 40meq

Potassium,

1800mg

Calcium,

1000mg

Magnesium,

100,000UI Vit

D (weekly),

20mg

Omeprazole

Side

effects: Gynecomastia,

stomach

inflammation

(From Spiro)

Other Diags:

GERD, Hiatal

Hernia,

Metabolic

Syndrome -

PreDiabetic,

Secondary

Hyperparathyroidism

caused by

Renal calcium

leak, Bone

Cyct in left

Femoral Head

and Pelvis.

Benign Lung

Nodules,

Fibromyalgia,

Scarring on

Right Kidney

Lower Pole,

Right Flank

Pain

DASH:

Started "sort

of" DASHing

5/3/2011

Status:

Last Urine

K/Na ratio was

1.1. But total

of Na high

also

September 19, 2011

Mostly Giant Eagle - our supermarket. To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 7:19 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Nat where are you buying your cheese at? Most cheeses are 200mg

sodium per one ounce serving which is not a lot.

All cheese i buy has labels.

No labels on cheese!!!!!!

Natalia

From:

Clarence Grim

To:

"hyperaldosteronism "

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 6:59 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not feel well after

exercise

Read the labels.

Tiped sad Send form mi

iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Sep 19, 2011, at 18:56, Natalia Kamneva

wrote:

Thank you, Don!

It's exactly what I wanted to

learn : about cheese and sodium, since

no labels on it!

I eat a lot of cheese, I would

say it's my main protein. I thought

that Jarlsberg and Mozzarela

are low sodium, but it's my

pure impression, no real knowledge of

a subject.

I will try now Swiss and Muenster.

What I also figured out - I eat

cheese without bread or with Matzos,

that contains 0 sodium, since cheese and

bread already too much sodium.

Many thanks,

Natalia

From:

Don Krebs

To:

hyperaldosteronism

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 6:39 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not

feel well after exercise

Natalia,

How

does cheese fit into your

plan? I recently learned

Swiss and Muenster are

naturally low sodium.

On

Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 6:14 PM,

Natalia Kamneva

wrote:

The

problem with

eating a lot

of meat and

poultry is

that they

themselves

contain a lot

of sodium.

When

pure carbs

don't.

I also

have diabetes

and also have

the same

problem as

and

Phyliss,

nevertheless

eating more

meat is not a

way

to

diet. Then you

HAVE to very

carefully

watch meat's

labels, what

is seldom

possible. Fish

is much

better, it

usually has

label

and

contains 90%

less sodium.

Natalia

From:

Phyllis

To:

hyperaldosteronism

Sent:

Sunday,

September 18,

2011 1:07 PM

Subject:

Re:

Re: Do not

feel well

after exercise

,

I also can't

tolerate carb

laden foods

and dairy. I

have insulin

resistance and

metabolic

syndrome.

I have also

put on some

weight eating

this way. I

will go back

to low carb

with high

potassium

vegetables. I

had a baked

potato

yesterday and

I feel so sick

today. This

morning I had

potatoes for

breakfast and

I am so sick

and sluggish.

I thought

maybe I could

tolerate

eating this

way if i kept

my potassium

up. Now I know

I can't.

I will go back

to low carb

but like you I

wasn't eating

low sodium. I

will start

over again.

The thing is I

have bought so

many carb

laden foods!!

Phyllis

On 9/18/2011

12:25 PM,

Brown

wrote:

Yes.

I have the his

book and had

read it a few

times. Thanks!

I sometimes

think khe

eforgets that

we probably

ate alot of

bugs and worms

on the paleo

diet. Not

really

interested in

doing htat

myself...lol

I

dont really

follow any

specific low

carb diet when

I do it. I

liked the

Protein Power

books and the

ideas behind

them, and well

as the Paleo

diet concepts.

I also read

Adkins books.

I think all of

them are

"Dash-like"

compliant or

at a minimum

can be

modified to be

that way. What

I did that

made this

"dashing-like"

thing work is

cut back on

the salt. It

wasnt "DASH"

that helped

me, it was

"low sodium

diet", period.

The

idea of Dash

to me is less

about the

servings of

this or that

food group

being a one

size fits all

people. It's

helpful for us

with PA

because of the

low sodium

eating and

higher

potassium.

But, lets face

it. Most of us

cant eat

enough

potassium in

natural foods

to out do the

losses from

Aldo. We need

suppliments in

most cases. I

can eat a ton

of spinich,

which I like

ans still be

low carbing if

i time it

right. I can

find ways to

eat natural

foods that are

basically Dash

foods. But, if

we didnt have

PA, dash would

probably be

easy and a

heathy way of

eating. But,

if you are

gluten

sensative or

fractose

intolerant,

forget it. You

cant DASH by

the book. Next

best thing,

eat the foods

that help YOU

and cut the

salt.

I

am eating a

ton of high

potassium

foods, and

taking

perscription K

suppliments,

and still cant

keep enough K

in me. I am

eating low

sodium diet.

My BP is

always normal

or below now.

Yet, I still

have issues

with muscles

and I am

gaining more

weight. If

Dash-like or

low sodium -

low carb

eating will

help me cut

the weight

back, then

that is what I

must do. I am

not wrapped

around the

DASH axle. I

have listened

here and read

all the

materials i

could find on

it.

It

seems what

really matters

at the end of

the day for PA

is "low

sodium, high

potassium",

and make sure

you are

getting all

the

electrolytes

and

micro-nutrients

your

individual

body

needs..through

foods where

possible.

I

think if the

forum focused

more on saying

Low-Sodium,

High Potassium

way of eating

rather than

whether or not

we are

"Dashing", low

carbing, or

eating worms

all day, it

would be more

encouraging. I

am not eating

8-11 servings

of grain

everyday,

period. I cant

have any

dairy. So if

that means I

am not

dashing,

tough. I am

not failing

just becuase I

am not eating

what is on

that

"diet-books"

plan

framework. I

am doing what

we really need

to do - eating

low sodium and

getting alot

of potassium.

Can I do

better? Yup.

One way for me

is to eat more

meat. It

satisfies me

and I dont eat

as many

calories that

way. It lowers

my insulin

levels and I

drop weight.

Maybe it

doesnt work

for everyone,

but not

everyone can

eat "dash" to

the letter

either. I am

basically

saying that

just because I

am honest and

say I am not

following DASH

as described

in 's

book doesnt

mean I am

failing to

attempt to

help treat PA

with diet. Dr

Grim says the

pee dont lie.

Right, but

what you are

looking at is

the K/Na

ratio, not how

much grain or

dairy I ate.

And you are

only looking

at what I did

in the last

24hrs or

so. I could

say I am

dashing to the

letter of the

law and if my

K/Na ratio

proves it,

noone knows if

I am eating

just meat or

noodles all

day

long...except

me.

DASH

is a way to

help PA, but

at the end of

the day, call

it what it is:

Low

Sodium/High

Potassium. If

you can

tolerate all

the

fruit/grain/dairy

then you can

do DASH per

the book if

you want. I

cant tolerate

all those, so

I will never

be doing DASH

by the exact

plan in the

book.

If Ms

was able to

drop 50lbs and

I was able to

drop almost 30

eating low

carb, then why

isnt that

something we

can talk about

here without

feeling like

we are being

perceived as

not complying

with the

recommended plan?

My

mistake on my

low carb

eating, which

may have very

well brought

PA out and

made if

visable is all

the damn salt

I was eating.

I wasnt

supplimenting

Potassium and

not eating K

rich foods. I

didnt know i

needed to be.

Now I do,

thanks to the

forum and Dr

Grim

I

use to eat

alot of bacon

everyday, tons

of pickles,

and home made

soup with salt

laden bullion

while doing my

low carb

plan. Good

God, it is

amazing I

didnt have

skyrocketing

BP. My blood

sugar was

great.

All

the anti-adkins

yapping in the

media about

eggs/fat

raising

cholesterol is

also pure BS.

I was

eating 3-4

eggs every

single day

with bacon. My

cholesterol

went down! I

dont have high

cholesterol

anyway, but i

proved that

eggs do not

raise it, nor

high fat

meats. I ate

alot of

steak...and

the fat on it.

Chicken with

all the skin

and fat

too...yet I

lost weight.

Since I

started eating

foods that the

low carb plans

would not

allow, I have

done nothing

but gain

weight.

If

the forum

wanted to

really be

helpful to

accomodate the

variety of us

on here who

"cant/wont/dont

want to"

follow the

DASH book

formula, we

would focus on

talking about

other ways to

eat a low

sodium/high

potassium

diet. We would

also talk

about how to

balance

suppliments

and eating,

and what blood

and urine

markers (other

than just

K/Na) to look

for to help

tailor YOUR

OWN diet and

suppliment

plan to treat

your

individual

needs of PA

and the stage

you are in.

DASH isnt

possible for

everyone. From

what I have

read here,

noone is

really

actually

following it

to the books

formula. Maybe

I am wrong and

just those of

us who are not

who talk about

it. For those

who dont want

to think, or

dont have

special needs,

follow DASH if

you want.

Dr

Grim, if I am

missing

something that

is material,

please correct

me. If not,

can you

acknowlege

that it is the

"low salt/high

potassium"

part of DASH

that is what

helps us with

PA, and that

ANY way of

eating/supplimenting

that meets

that objective

is encouraged.

DASH just

happens to be

a simple

formula that

will meet that

objective in a

simple plan

for those who

can/want to

use that

approach. It

will also

cover alot of

the

other things

like magnesium

and calcium

within the

natural foods

and minimize

suppliments.

But, if dairy,

grain, or

fruit, cause

IBS...then we

are not really

going to

absorb the

nutients

anyway and

need to find

an

alternative.

The rest of us

or not failing

to do

everything we

can to treat

PA, just

becuase we are

not following

DASH

specifically.

I want to stop

feeling like I

am outside the

"club" just

because I cant

eat all the

stuff on the

DASH plan.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian,

5'9"- 242lbs,

PA Diagnosed

2007 Suspected

Hyperplasia-No

tumors on CT -

No AVS.

Meds: 50mg

Inspra, 40meq

Potassium,

1800mg

Calcium,

1000mg

Magnesium,

100,000UI Vit

D (weekly),

20mg

Omeprazole

Side

effects: Gynecomastia,

stomach

inflammation

(From Spiro)

Other Diags:

GERD, Hiatal

Hernia,

Metabolic

Syndrome -

PreDiabetic,

Secondary

Hyperparathyroidism

caused by

Renal calcium

leak, Bone

Cyct in left

Femoral Head

and Pelvis.

Benign Lung

Nodules,

Fibromyalgia,

Scarring on

Right Kidney

Lower Pole,

Right Flank

Pain

DASH:

Started "sort

of" DASHing

5/3/2011

Status:

Last Urine

K/Na ratio was

1.1. But total

of Na high

also

September 19, 2011

Did you ever check how much your Top Sirloin and Beef Chuck roast contain sodium?NatTo: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 7:30 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

I usually have lean grilled Top Sirloin steak and good old fat filled Beef Chuck roast. I am buying low sodium Chicken now. I dont add any salt. So, I think that will slide in under the salt radar enough. No more bacon, sausage, etc. Strangly enough, my appetite is dropping back some. For lunch today, all i had was some grapes and about 3oz chunk of left over steak. Dinner was about 6 oz of grilled chicken breast, 1 cup of a fresh fruit medley I made with strawberries, plums, blackberries, kiwi, and tomatoes with fresh ground black pepper...and of course some low sodium v8 Juice to wash it all down. Oh, and breakfast was 2 hard boiled eggs, a banana, and some yogurt with quinea and blueberries. That is pretty damn DASHie damnit. ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high alsoTo: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 6:14 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

The problem with eating a lot of meat and poultry is that they themselves contain a lot of sodium.When pure carbs don't. I also have diabetes and also have the same problem as and Phyliss, nevertheless eating more meat is not a wayto diet. Then you HAVE to very carefully watch meat's labels, what is seldom possible. Fish is much better, it usually has labeland contains 90% less sodium.NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:07 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

, I also can't tolerate carb laden foods and dairy. I have

insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome.

I have also put on some weight eating this way. I will go back to

low carb with high potassium vegetables. I had a baked potato

yesterday and

I feel so sick today. This morning I had potatoes for breakfast and

I am so sick and sluggish. I thought maybe I could tolerate eating

this way if i kept my potassium up. Now I know I can't.

I will go back to low carb but like you I wasn't eating low sodium.

I will start over again. The thing is I have bought so many carb

laden foods!!

Phyllis

Yes. I have the his book and had read it a few

times. Thanks! I sometimes think khe eforgets that we

probably ate alot of bugs and worms on the paleo diet.

Not really interested in doing htat myself...lol

I dont really follow any specific low carb diet

when I do it. I liked the Protein Power books and the

ideas behind them, and well as the Paleo diet

concepts. I also read Adkins books. I think all of

them are "Dash-like" compliant or at a minimum can be

modified to be that way. What I did that made this

"dashing-like" thing work is cut back on the salt. It

wasnt "DASH" that helped me, it was "low sodium diet",

period.

The idea of Dash to me is less about the

servings of this or that food group being a one size

fits all people. It's helpful for us with PA because

of the low sodium eating and higher potassium. But,

lets face it. Most of us cant eat enough potassium in

natural foods to out do the losses from Aldo. We need

suppliments in most cases. I can eat a ton of spinich,

which I like ans still be low carbing if i time it

right. I can find ways to eat natural foods that are

basically Dash foods. But, if we didnt have PA, dash

would probably be easy and a heathy way of eating.

But, if you are gluten sensative or fractose

intolerant, forget it. You cant DASH by the book. Next

best thing, eat the foods that help YOU and cut the

salt.

I am eating a ton of high potassium foods, and

taking perscription K suppliments, and still cant keep

enough K in me. I am eating low sodium diet. My BP is

always normal or below now. Yet, I still have issues

with muscles and I am gaining more weight. If

Dash-like or low sodium - low carb eating will help me

cut the weight back, then that is what I must do. I am

not wrapped around the DASH axle. I have listened here

and read all the materials i could find on it.

It seems what really matters at the end of the

day for PA is "low sodium, high potassium", and make

sure you are getting all the electrolytes and

micro-nutrients your individual body needs..through

foods where possible.

I think if the forum focused more on saying

Low-Sodium, High Potassium way of eating rather than

whether or not we are "Dashing", low carbing, or

eating worms all day, it would be more encouraging. I

am not eating 8-11 servings of grain everyday, period.

I cant have any dairy. So if that means I am not

dashing, tough. I am not failing just becuase I am not

eating what is on that "diet-books" plan framework. I

am doing what we really need to do - eating low sodium

and getting alot of potassium. Can I do better? Yup.

One way for me is to eat more meat. It satisfies me

and I dont eat as many calories that way. It lowers my

insulin levels and I drop weight. Maybe it doesnt work

for everyone, but not everyone can eat "dash" to the

letter either. I am basically saying that just because

I am honest and say I am not following DASH as

described in 's book doesnt mean I am failing to

attempt to help treat PA with diet. Dr Grim says the

pee dont lie. Right, but what you are looking at is

the K/Na ratio, not how much grain or dairy I ate. And

you are only looking at what I did in the last 24hrs

or so. I could say I am dashing to the letter of the

law and if my K/Na ratio proves it, noone knows if I

am eating just meat or noodles all day long...except

me.

DASH is a way to help PA, but at the end of the

day, call it what it is: Low Sodium/High Potassium. If

you can tolerate all the fruit/grain/dairy then you

can do DASH per the book if you want. I cant tolerate

all those, so I will never be doing DASH by the exact

plan in the book.

If Ms was able to drop 50lbs and I was

able to drop almost 30 eating low carb, then why isnt

that something we can talk about here without feeling

like we are being perceived as not complying with the

recommended plan?

My mistake on my low carb eating, which may

have very well brought PA out and made if visable is

all the damn salt I was eating. I wasnt supplimenting

Potassium and not eating K rich foods. I didnt know i

needed to be. Now I do, thanks to the forum and Dr

Grim

I use to eat alot of bacon everyday, tons of

pickles, and home made soup with salt laden bullion

while doing my low carb plan. Good God, it is amazing

I didnt have skyrocketing BP. My blood sugar was

great.

All the anti-adkins yapping in the media about

eggs/fat raising cholesterol is also pure BS. I was

eating 3-4 eggs every single day with bacon. My

cholesterol went down! I dont have high cholesterol

anyway, but i proved that eggs do not raise it, nor

high fat meats. I ate alot of steak...and the fat on

it. Chicken with all the skin and fat too...yet I lost

weight. Since I started eating foods that the low carb

plans would not allow, I have done nothing but gain

weight.

If the forum wanted to really be helpful

to accomodate the variety of us on here who

"cant/wont/dont want to" follow the DASH book

formula, we would focus on talking about other ways

to eat a low sodium/high potassium diet. We would

also talk about how to balance suppliments and

eating, and what blood and urine markers (other than

just K/Na) to look for to help tailor YOUR OWN diet

and suppliment plan to treat your individual needs

of PA and the stage you are in. DASH isnt possible

for everyone. From what I have read here, noone is

really actually following it to the books formula.

Maybe I am wrong and just those of us who are not

who talk about it. For those who dont want to think,

or dont have special needs, follow DASH if you want.

Dr Grim, if I am missing something that

is material, please correct me. If not, can you

acknowlege that it is the "low salt/high potassium"

part of DASH that is what helps us with PA, and that

ANY way of eating/supplimenting that meets that

objective is encouraged. DASH just happens to be a

simple formula that will meet that objective in a

simple plan for those who can/want to use that

approach. It will also cover alot of the other things

like magnesium and calcium within the natural foods

and minimize suppliments. But, if dairy, grain, or

fruit, cause IBS...then we are not really going to

absorb the nutients anyway and need to find an

alternative. The rest of us or not failing to do

everything we can to treat PA, just becuase we are not

following DASH specifically. I want to stop feeling

like I am outside the "club" just because I cant eat

all the stuff on the DASH plan.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed

2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg

Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly),

20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome -

PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by

Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on

Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing

5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1.

But total of Na high also

September 19, 2011

Huge difference between 35 mg and 200 mg! To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 7:31 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Baby swiss is only like 35mg per 1oz. that is the only kind i eat now. ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high alsoTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 7:19

PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Nat where are you buying your cheese at? Most cheeses are 200mg

sodium per one ounce serving which is not a lot.

All cheese i buy has labels.

No labels on cheese!!!!!!

Natalia

From:

Clarence Grim

To:

"hyperaldosteronism "

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 6:59 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not feel well after

exercise

Read the labels.

Tiped sad Send form mi

iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Sep 19, 2011, at 18:56, Natalia Kamneva

wrote:

Thank you, Don!

It's exactly what I wanted to

learn : about cheese and sodium, since

no labels on it!

I eat a lot of cheese, I would

say it's my main protein. I thought

that Jarlsberg and Mozzarela

are low sodium, but it's my

pure impression, no real knowledge of

a subject.

I will try now Swiss and Muenster.

What I also figured out - I eat

cheese without bread or with Matzos,

that contains 0 sodium, since cheese and

bread already too much sodium.

Many thanks,

Natalia

From:

Don Krebs

To:

hyperaldosteronism

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 6:39 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not

feel well after exercise

Natalia,

How

does cheese fit into your

plan? I recently learned

Swiss and Muenster are

naturally low sodium.

On

Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 6:14 PM,

Natalia Kamneva

wrote:

The

problem with

eating a lot

of meat and

poultry is

that they

themselves

contain a lot

of sodium.

When

pure carbs

don't.

I also

have diabetes

and also have

the same

problem as

and

Phyliss,

nevertheless

eating more

meat is not a

way

to

diet. Then you

HAVE to very

carefully

watch meat's

labels, what

is seldom

possible. Fish

is much

better, it

usually has

label

and

contains 90%

less sodium.

Natalia

From:

Phyllis

To:

hyperaldosteronism

Sent:

Sunday,

September 18,

2011 1:07 PM

Subject:

Re:

Re: Do not

feel well

after exercise

,

I also can't

tolerate carb

laden foods

and dairy. I

have insulin

resistance and

metabolic

syndrome.

I have also

put on some

weight eating

this way. I

will go back

to low carb

with high

potassium

vegetables. I

had a baked

potato

yesterday and

I feel so sick

today. This

morning I had

potatoes for

breakfast and

I am so sick

and sluggish.

I thought

maybe I could

tolerate

eating this

way if i kept

my potassium

up. Now I know

I can't.

I will go back

to low carb

but like you I

wasn't eating

low sodium. I

will start

over again.

The thing is I

have bought so

many carb

laden foods!!

Phyllis

On 9/18/2011

12:25 PM,

Brown

wrote:

Yes.

I have the his

book and had

read it a few

times. Thanks!

I sometimes

think khe

eforgets that

we probably

ate alot of

bugs and worms

on the paleo

diet. Not

really

interested in

doing htat

myself...lol

I

dont really

follow any

specific low

carb diet when

I do it. I

liked the

Protein Power

books and the

ideas behind

them, and well

as the Paleo

diet concepts.

I also read

Adkins books.

I think all of

them are

"Dash-like"

compliant or

at a minimum

can be

modified to be

that way. What

I did that

made this

"dashing-like"

thing work is

cut back on

the salt. It

wasnt "DASH"

that helped

me, it was

"low sodium

diet", period.

The

idea of Dash

to me is less

about the

servings of

this or that

food group

being a one

size fits all

people. It's

helpful for us

with PA

because of the

low sodium

eating and

higher

potassium.

But, lets face

it. Most of us

cant eat

enough

potassium in

natural foods

to out do the

losses from

Aldo. We need

suppliments in

most cases. I

can eat a ton

of spinich,

which I like

ans still be

low carbing if

i time it

right. I can

find ways to

eat natural

foods that are

basically Dash

foods. But, if

we didnt have

PA, dash would

probably be

easy and a

heathy way of

eating. But,

if you are

gluten

sensative or

fractose

intolerant,

forget it. You

cant DASH by

the book. Next

best thing,

eat the foods

that help YOU

and cut the

salt.

I

am eating a

ton of high

potassium

foods, and

taking

perscription K

suppliments,

and still cant

keep enough K

in me. I am

eating low

sodium diet.

My BP is

always normal

or below now.

Yet, I still

have issues

with muscles

and I am

gaining more

weight. If

Dash-like or

low sodium -

low carb

eating will

help me cut

the weight

back, then

that is what I

must do. I am

not wrapped

around the

DASH axle. I

have listened

here and read

all the

materials i

could find on

it.

It

seems what

really matters

at the end of

the day for PA

is "low

sodium, high

potassium",

and make sure

you are

getting all

the

electrolytes

and

micro-nutrients

your

individual

body

needs..through

foods where

possible.

I

think if the

forum focused

more on saying

Low-Sodium,

High Potassium

way of eating

rather than

whether or not

we are

"Dashing", low

carbing, or

eating worms

all day, it

would be more

encouraging. I

am not eating

8-11 servings

of grain

everyday,

period. I cant

have any

dairy. So if

that means I

am not

dashing,

tough. I am

not failing

just becuase I

am not eating

what is on

that

"diet-books"

plan

framework. I

am doing what

we really need

to do - eating

low sodium and

getting alot

of potassium.

Can I do

better? Yup.

One way for me

is to eat more

meat. It

satisfies me

and I dont eat

as many

calories that

way. It lowers

my insulin

levels and I

drop weight.

Maybe it

doesnt work

for everyone,

but not

everyone can

eat "dash" to

the letter

either. I am

basically

saying that

just because I

am honest and

say I am not

following DASH

as described

in 's

book doesnt

mean I am

failing to

attempt to

help treat PA

with diet. Dr

Grim says the

pee dont lie.

Right, but

what you are

looking at is

the K/Na

ratio, not how

much grain or

dairy I ate.

And you are

only looking

at what I did

in the last

24hrs or

so. I could

say I am

dashing to the

letter of the

law and if my

K/Na ratio

proves it,

noone knows if

I am eating

just meat or

noodles all

day

long...except

me.

DASH

is a way to

help PA, but

at the end of

the day, call

it what it is:

Low

Sodium/High

Potassium. If

you can

tolerate all

the

fruit/grain/dairy

then you can

do DASH per

the book if

you want. I

cant tolerate

all those, so

I will never

be doing DASH

by the exact

plan in the

book.

If Ms

was able to

drop 50lbs and

I was able to

drop almost 30

eating low

carb, then why

isnt that

something we

can talk about

here without

feeling like

we are being

perceived as

not complying

with the

recommended plan?

My

mistake on my

low carb

eating, which

may have very

well brought

PA out and

made if

visable is all

the damn salt

I was eating.

I wasnt

supplimenting

Potassium and

not eating K

rich foods. I

didnt know i

needed to be.

Now I do,

thanks to the

forum and Dr

Grim

I

use to eat

alot of bacon

everyday, tons

of pickles,

and home made

soup with salt

laden bullion

while doing my

low carb

plan. Good

God, it is

amazing I

didnt have

skyrocketing

BP. My blood

sugar was

great.

All

the anti-adkins

yapping in the

media about

eggs/fat

raising

cholesterol is

also pure BS.

I was

eating 3-4

eggs every

single day

with bacon. My

cholesterol

went down! I

dont have high

cholesterol

anyway, but i

proved that

eggs do not

raise it, nor

high fat

meats. I ate

alot of

steak...and

the fat on it.

Chicken with

all the skin

and fat

too...yet I

lost weight.

Since I

started eating

foods that the

low carb plans

would not

allow, I have

done nothing

but gain

weight.

If

the forum

wanted to

really be

helpful to

accomodate the

variety of us

on here who

"cant/wont/dont

want to"

follow the

DASH book

formula, we

would focus on

talking about

other ways to

eat a low

sodium/high

potassium

diet. We would

also talk

about how to

balance

suppliments

and eating,

and what blood

and urine

markers (other

than just

K/Na) to look

for to help

tailor YOUR

OWN diet and

suppliment

plan to treat

your

individual

needs of PA

and the stage

you are in.

DASH isnt

possible for

everyone. From

what I have

read here,

noone is

really

actually

following it

to the books

formula. Maybe

I am wrong and

just those of

us who are not

who talk about

it. For those

who dont want

to think, or

dont have

special needs,

follow DASH if

you want.

Dr

Grim, if I am

missing

something that

is material,

please correct

me. If not,

can you

acknowlege

that it is the

"low salt/high

potassium"

part of DASH

that is what

helps us with

PA, and that

ANY way of

eating/supplimenting

that meets

that objective

is encouraged.

DASH just

happens to be

a simple

formula that

will meet that

objective in a

simple plan

for those who

can/want to

use that

approach. It

will also

cover alot of

the

other things

like magnesium

and calcium

within the

natural foods

and minimize

suppliments.

But, if dairy,

grain, or

fruit, cause

IBS...then we

are not really

going to

absorb the

nutients

anyway and

need to find

an

alternative.

The rest of us

or not failing

to do

everything we

can to treat

PA, just

becuase we are

not following

DASH

specifically.

I want to stop

feeling like I

am outside the

"club" just

because I cant

eat all the

stuff on the

DASH plan.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian,

5'9"- 242lbs,

PA Diagnosed

2007 Suspected

Hyperplasia-No

tumors on CT -

No AVS.

Meds: 50mg

Inspra, 40meq

Potassium,

1800mg

Calcium,

1000mg

Magnesium,

100,000UI Vit

D (weekly),

20mg

Omeprazole

Side

effects: Gynecomastia,

stomach

inflammation

(From Spiro)

Other Diags:

GERD, Hiatal

Hernia,

Metabolic

Syndrome -

PreDiabetic,

Secondary

Hyperparathyroidism

caused by

Renal calcium

leak, Bone

Cyct in left

Femoral Head

and Pelvis.

Benign Lung

Nodules,

Fibromyalgia,

Scarring on

Right Kidney

Lower Pole,

Right Flank

Pain

DASH:

Started "sort

of" DASHing

5/3/2011

Status:

Last Urine

K/Na ratio was

1.1. But total

of Na high

also

September 19, 2011

If it is made in US MUST have labels. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

No labels on cheese!!!!!!NataliaTo: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 6:59 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Read the labels. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Thank you, Don!It's exactly what I wanted to learn : about cheese and sodium, since no labels on it!I eat a lot of cheese, I would say it's my main protein. I thought that Jarlsberg and Mozzarela are low sodium, but it's mypure impression, no real knowledge of a subject. I will try now Swiss and Muenster. What I also figured out - I eat cheese without bread or with Matzos, that contains 0 sodium, since cheese and bread already too much sodium.Many thanks,NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 6:39 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Natalia,How does cheese fit into your plan? I recently learned Swiss and Muenster are naturally low sodium.

The problem with eating a lot of meat and poultry is that they themselves contain a lot of sodium.

When pure carbs don't. I also have diabetes and also have the same problem as and Phyliss, nevertheless eating more meat is not a wayto diet. Then you HAVE to very carefully watch meat's labels, what is seldom possible. Fish is much better, it usually has label

and contains 90% less sodium.Natalia

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

, I also can't tolerate carb laden foods and dairy. I have

insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome.

I have also put on some weight eating this way. I will go back to

low carb with high potassium vegetables. I had a baked potato

yesterday and

I feel so sick today. This morning I had potatoes for breakfast and

I am so sick and sluggish. I thought maybe I could tolerate eating

this way if i kept my potassium up. Now I know I can't.

I will go back to low carb but like you I wasn't eating low sodium.

I will start over again. The thing is I have bought so many carb

laden foods!!

Phyllis

Yes. I have the his book and had read it a few

times. Thanks! I sometimes think khe eforgets that we

probably ate alot of bugs and worms on the paleo diet.

Not really interested in doing htat myself...lol

I dont really follow any specific low carb diet

when I do it. I liked the Protein Power books and the

ideas behind them, and well as the Paleo diet

concepts. I also read Adkins books. I think all of

them are "Dash-like" compliant or at a minimum can be

modified to be that way. What I did that made this

"dashing-like" thing work is cut back on the salt. It

wasnt "DASH" that helped me, it was "low sodium diet",

period.

The idea of Dash to me is less about the

servings of this or that food group being a one size

fits all people. It's helpful for us with PA because

of the low sodium eating and higher potassium. But,

lets face it. Most of us cant eat enough potassium in

natural foods to out do the losses from Aldo. We need

suppliments in most cases. I can eat a ton of spinich,

which I like ans still be low carbing if i time it

right. I can find ways to eat natural foods that are

basically Dash foods. But, if we didnt have PA, dash

would probably be easy and a heathy way of eating.

But, if you are gluten sensative or fractose

intolerant, forget it. You cant DASH by the book. Next

best thing, eat the foods that help YOU and cut the

salt.

I am eating a ton of high potassium foods, and

taking perscription K suppliments, and still cant keep

enough K in me. I am eating low sodium diet. My BP is

always normal or below now. Yet, I still have issues

with muscles and I am gaining more weight. If

Dash-like or low sodium - low carb eating will help me

cut the weight back, then that is what I must do. I am

not wrapped around the DASH axle. I have listened here

and read all the materials i could find on it.

It seems what really matters at the end of the

day for PA is "low sodium, high potassium", and make

sure you are getting all the electrolytes and

micro-nutrients your individual body needs..through

foods where possible.

I think if the forum focused more on saying

Low-Sodium, High Potassium way of eating rather than

whether or not we are "Dashing", low carbing, or

eating worms all day, it would be more encouraging. I

am not eating 8-11 servings of grain everyday, period.

I cant have any dairy. So if that means I am not

dashing, tough. I am not failing just becuase I am not

eating what is on that "diet-books" plan framework. I

am doing what we really need to do - eating low sodium

and getting alot of potassium. Can I do better? Yup.

One way for me is to eat more meat. It satisfies me

and I dont eat as many calories that way. It lowers my

insulin levels and I drop weight. Maybe it doesnt work

for everyone, but not everyone can eat "dash" to the

letter either. I am basically saying that just because

I am honest and say I am not following DASH as

described in 's book doesnt mean I am failing to

attempt to help treat PA with diet. Dr Grim says the

pee dont lie. Right, but what you are looking at is

the K/Na ratio, not how much grain or dairy I ate. And

you are only looking at what I did in the last 24hrs

or so. I could say I am dashing to the letter of the

law and if my K/Na ratio proves it, noone knows if I

am eating just meat or noodles all day long...except

me.

DASH is a way to help PA, but at the end of the

day, call it what it is: Low Sodium/High Potassium. If

you can tolerate all the fruit/grain/dairy then you

can do DASH per the book if you want. I cant tolerate

all those, so I will never be doing DASH by the exact

plan in the book.

If Ms was able to drop 50lbs and I was

able to drop almost 30 eating low carb, then why isnt

that something we can talk about here without feeling

like we are being perceived as not complying with the

recommended plan?

My mistake on my low carb eating, which may

have very well brought PA out and made if visable is

all the damn salt I was eating. I wasnt supplimenting

Potassium and not eating K rich foods. I didnt know i

needed to be. Now I do, thanks to the forum and Dr

Grim

I use to eat alot of bacon everyday, tons of

pickles, and home made soup with salt laden bullion

while doing my low carb plan. Good God, it is amazing

I didnt have skyrocketing BP. My blood sugar was

great.

All the anti-adkins yapping in the media about

eggs/fat raising cholesterol is also pure BS. I was

eating 3-4 eggs every single day with bacon. My

cholesterol went down! I dont have high cholesterol

anyway, but i proved that eggs do not raise it, nor

high fat meats. I ate alot of steak...and the fat on

it. Chicken with all the skin and fat too...yet I lost

weight. Since I started eating foods that the low carb

plans would not allow, I have done nothing but gain

weight.

If the forum wanted to really be helpful

to accomodate the variety of us on here who

"cant/wont/dont want to" follow the DASH book

formula, we would focus on talking about other ways

to eat a low sodium/high potassium diet. We would

also talk about how to balance suppliments and

eating, and what blood and urine markers (other than

just K/Na) to look for to help tailor YOUR OWN diet

and suppliment plan to treat your individual needs

of PA and the stage you are in. DASH isnt possible

for everyone. From what I have read here, noone is

really actually following it to the books formula.

Maybe I am wrong and just those of us who are not

who talk about it. For those who dont want to think,

or dont have special needs, follow DASH if you want.

Dr Grim, if I am missing something that

is material, please correct me. If not, can you

acknowlege that it is the "low salt/high potassium"

part of DASH that is what helps us with PA, and that

ANY way of eating/supplimenting that meets that

objective is encouraged. DASH just happens to be a

simple formula that will meet that objective in a

simple plan for those who can/want to use that

approach. It will also cover alot of the other things

like magnesium and calcium within the natural foods

and minimize suppliments. But, if dairy, grain, or

fruit, cause IBS...then we are not really going to

absorb the nutients anyway and need to find an

alternative. The rest of us or not failing to do

everything we can to treat PA, just becuase we are not

following DASH specifically. I want to stop feeling

like I am outside the "club" just because I cant eat

all the stuff on the DASH plan.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed

2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg

Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly),

20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome -

PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by

Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on

Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing

5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1.

But total of Na high also

September 19, 2011

It is your choice. Sometimes i say DASH OR DIE. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

I am dashing but not the way that book says )

DASH Dammit!

Tiped sad Send form mi

iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Sep 19, 2011, at 18:51, Phyllis

wrote:

Natalia, I have insulin resistance. A lot of carbs

will kill me . I can't do the carbs , I am so sick

now.

Today I had a little bit more protein and less

fructose carbs. I had tomatoes, zucchini, cucumbers,

I will see how I feel.

Natalia,

How does cheese

fit into your plan? I recently learned

Swiss and Muenster are naturally low

sodium.

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at

6:14 PM, Natalia Kamneva

wrote:

The problem with eating

a lot of meat and poultry is

that they themselves contain a

lot of sodium.

When pure carbs don't.

I also have diabetes

and also have the same problem

as and Phyliss,

nevertheless eating more meat

is not a way

to diet. Then you HAVE

to very carefully watch meat's

labels, what is seldom

possible. Fish is much better,

it usually has label

and contains 90% less

sodium.

Natalia

From:

Phyllis

To:

hyperaldosteronism

Sent:

Sunday, September 18, 2011

1:07 PM

Subject:

Re: Re:

Do not feel well after

exercise

, I also

can't tolerate carb

laden foods and

dairy. I have

insulin resistance

and metabolic

syndrome.

I have also put on

some weight eating

this way. I will go

back to low carb

with high potassium

vegetables. I had a

baked potato

yesterday and

I feel so sick

today. This morning

I had potatoes for

breakfast and I am

so sick and

sluggish. I

thought maybe I

could tolerate

eating this way if i

kept my potassium

up. Now I know I

can't.

I will go back to

low carb but like

you I wasn't eating

low sodium. I will

start over again.

The thing is I have

bought so many carb

laden foods!!

Phyllis

On 9/18/2011 12:25

PM, Brown

wrote:

Yes.

I have the his

book and had

read it a few

times. Thanks!

I sometimes

think khe

eforgets that

we probably

ate alot of

bugs and worms

on the paleo

diet. Not

really

interested in

doing htat

myself...lol

I

dont really

follow any

specific low

carb diet when

I do it. I

liked the

Protein Power

books and the

ideas behind

them, and well

as the Paleo

diet concepts.

I also read

Adkins books.

I think all of

them are

"Dash-like"

compliant or

at a minimum

can be

modified to be

that way. What

I did that

made this

"dashing-like"

thing work is

cut back on

the salt. It

wasnt "DASH"

that helped

me, it was

"low sodium

diet", period.

The

idea of Dash

to me is less

about the

servings of

this or that

food group

being a one

size fits all

people. It's

helpful for us

with PA

because of the

low sodium

eating and

higher

potassium.

But, lets face

it. Most of us

cant eat

enough

potassium in

natural foods

to out do the

losses from

Aldo. We need

suppliments in

most cases. I

can eat a ton

of spinich,

which I like

ans still be

low carbing if

i time it

right. I can

find ways to

eat natural

foods that are

basically Dash

foods. But, if

we didnt have

PA, dash would

probably be

easy and a

heathy way of

eating. But,

if you are

gluten

sensative or

fractose

intolerant,

forget it. You

cant DASH by

the book. Next

best thing,

eat the foods

that help YOU

and cut the

salt.

I am

eating a ton

of high

potassium

foods, and

taking

perscription K

suppliments,

and still cant

keep enough K

in me. I am

eating low

sodium diet.

My BP is

always normal

or below now.

Yet, I still

have issues

with muscles

and I am

gaining more

weight. If

Dash-like or

low sodium -

low carb

eating will

help me cut

the weight

back, then

that is what I

must do. I am

not wrapped

around the

DASH axle. I

have listened

here and read

all the

materials i

could find on

it.

It

seems what

really matters

at the end of

the day for PA

is "low

sodium, high

potassium",

and make sure

you are

getting all

the

electrolytes

and

micro-nutrients

your

individual

body

needs..through

foods where

possible.

I

think if the

forum focused

more on saying

Low-Sodium,

High Potassium

way of eating

rather than

whether or not

we are

"Dashing", low

carbing, or

eating worms

all day, it

would be more

encouraging. I

am not eating

8-11 servings

of grain

everyday,

period. I cant

have any

dairy. So if

that means I

am not

dashing,

tough. I am

not failing

just becuase I

am not eating

what is on

that

"diet-books"

plan

framework. I

am doing what

we really need

to do - eating

low sodium and

getting alot

of potassium.

Can I do

better? Yup.

One way for me

is to eat more

meat. It

satisfies me

and I dont eat

as many

calories that

way. It lowers

my insulin

levels and I

drop weight.

Maybe it

doesnt work

for everyone,

but not

everyone can

eat "dash" to

the letter

either. I am

basically

saying that

just because I

am honest and

say I am not

following DASH

as described

in 's

book doesnt

mean I am

failing to

attempt to

help treat PA

with diet. Dr

Grim says the

pee dont lie.

Right, but

what you are

looking at is

the K/Na

ratio, not how

much grain or

dairy I ate.

And you are

only looking

at what I did

in the last

24hrs or

so. I could

say I am

dashing to the

letter of the

law and if my

K/Na ratio

proves it,

noone knows if

I am eating

just meat or

noodles all

day

long...except

me.

DASH

is a way to

help PA, but

at the end of

the day, call

it what it is:

Low

Sodium/High

Potassium. If

you can

tolerate all

the

fruit/grain/dairy

then you can

do DASH per

the book if

you want. I

cant tolerate

all those, so

I will never

be doing DASH

by the exact

plan in the

book.

If Ms

was able to

drop 50lbs and

I was able to

drop almost 30

eating low

carb, then why

isnt that

something we

can talk about

here without

feeling like

we are being

perceived as

not complying

with the

recommended plan?

My

mistake on my

low carb

eating, which

may have very

well brought

PA out and

made if

visable is all

the damn salt

I was eating.

I wasnt

supplimenting

Potassium and

not eating K

rich foods. I

didnt know i

needed to be.

Now I do,

thanks to the

forum and Dr

Grim

I use

to eat alot of

bacon

everyday, tons

of pickles,

and home made

soup with salt

laden bullion

while doing my

low carb

plan. Good

God, it is

amazing I

didnt have

skyrocketing

BP. My blood

sugar was

great.

All

the anti-adkins

yapping in the

media about

eggs/fat

raising

cholesterol is

also pure BS.

I was

eating 3-4

eggs every

single day

with bacon. My

cholesterol

went down! I

dont have high

cholesterol

anyway, but i

proved that

eggs do not

raise it, nor

high fat

meats. I ate

alot of

steak...and

the fat on it.

Chicken with

all the skin

and fat

too...yet I

lost weight.

Since I

started eating

foods that the

low carb plans

would not

allow, I have

done nothing

but gain

weight.

If

the forum

wanted to

really be

helpful to

accomodate the

variety of us

on here who

"cant/wont/dont

want to"

follow the

DASH book

formula, we

would focus on

talking about

other ways to

eat a low

sodium/high

potassium

diet. We would

also talk

about how to

balance

suppliments

and eating,

and what blood

and urine

markers (other

than just

K/Na) to look

for to help

tailor YOUR

OWN diet and

suppliment

plan to treat

your

individual

needs of PA

and the stage

you are in.

DASH isnt

possible for

everyone. From

what I have

read here,

noone is

really

actually

following it

to the books

formula. Maybe

I am wrong and

just those of

us who are not

who talk about

it. For those

who dont want

to think, or

dont have

special needs,

follow DASH if

you want.

Dr

Grim, if I am

missing

something that

is material,

please correct

me. If not,

can you

acknowlege

that it is the

"low salt/high

potassium"

part of DASH

that is what

helps us with

PA, and that

ANY way of

eating/supplimenting

that meets

that objective

is encouraged.

DASH just

happens to be

a simple

formula that

will meet that

objective in a

simple plan

for those who

can/want to

use that

approach. It

will also

cover alot of

the

other things

like magnesium

and calcium

within the

natural foods

and minimize

suppliments.

But, if dairy,

grain, or

fruit, cause

IBS...then we

are not really

going to

absorb the

nutients

anyway and

need to find

an

alternative.

The rest of us

or not failing

to do

everything we

can to treat

PA, just

becuase we are

not following

DASH

specifically.

I want to stop

feeling like I

am outside the

"club" just

because I cant

eat all the

stuff on the

DASH plan.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian,

5'9"- 242lbs,

PA Diagnosed

2007 Suspected

Hyperplasia-No

tumors on CT -

No AVS.

Meds: 50mg

Inspra, 40meq

Potassium,

1800mg

Calcium,

1000mg

Magnesium,

100,000UI Vit

D (weekly),

20mg

Omeprazole

Side

effects: Gynecomastia,

stomach

inflammation

(From Spiro)

Other Diags:

GERD, Hiatal

Hernia,

Metabolic

Syndrome -

PreDiabetic,

Secondary

Hyperparathyroidism

caused by

Renal calcium

leak, Bone

Cyct in left

Femoral Head

and Pelvis.

Benign Lung

Nodules,

Fibromyalgia,

Scarring on

Right Kidney

Lower Pole,

Right Flank

Pain

DASH:

Started "sort

of" DASHing

5/3/2011

Status:

Last Urine

K/Na ratio was

1.1. But total

of Na high

also

September 19, 2011

Dash away dash Away dash Away all. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

I usually have lean grilled Top Sirloin steak and good old fat filled Beef Chuck roast. I am buying low sodium Chicken now. I dont add any salt. So, I think that will slide in under the salt radar enough. No more bacon, sausage, etc. Strangly enough, my appetite is dropping back some. For lunch today, all i had was some grapes and about 3oz chunk of left over steak. Dinner was about 6 oz of grilled chicken breast, 1 cup of a fresh fruit medley I made with strawberries, plums, blackberries, kiwi, and tomatoes with fresh ground black pepper...and of course some low sodium v8 Juice to wash it all down. Oh, and breakfast was 2 hard boiled eggs, a banana, and some yogurt with quinea and blueberries. That is pretty damn DASHie damnit. ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high alsoTo: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 6:14 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

The problem with eating a lot of meat and poultry is that they themselves contain a lot of sodium.When pure carbs don't. I also have diabetes and also have the same problem as and Phyliss, nevertheless eating more meat is not a wayto diet. Then you HAVE to very carefully watch meat's labels, what is seldom possible. Fish is much better, it usually has labeland contains 90% less sodium.NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:07 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

, I also can't tolerate carb laden foods and dairy. I have

insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome.

I have also put on some weight eating this way. I will go back to

low carb with high potassium vegetables. I had a baked potato

yesterday and

I feel so sick today. This morning I had potatoes for breakfast and

I am so sick and sluggish. I thought maybe I could tolerate eating

this way if i kept my potassium up. Now I know I can't.

I will go back to low carb but like you I wasn't eating low sodium.

I will start over again. The thing is I have bought so many carb

laden foods!!

Phyllis

Yes. I have the his book and had read it a few

times. Thanks! I sometimes think khe eforgets that we

probably ate alot of bugs and worms on the paleo diet.

Not really interested in doing htat myself...lol

I dont really follow any specific low carb diet

when I do it. I liked the Protein Power books and the

ideas behind them, and well as the Paleo diet

concepts. I also read Adkins books. I think all of

them are "Dash-like" compliant or at a minimum can be

modified to be that way. What I did that made this

"dashing-like" thing work is cut back on the salt. It

wasnt "DASH" that helped me, it was "low sodium diet",

period.

The idea of Dash to me is less about the

servings of this or that food group being a one size

fits all people. It's helpful for us with PA because

of the low sodium eating and higher potassium. But,

lets face it. Most of us cant eat enough potassium in

natural foods to out do the losses from Aldo. We need

suppliments in most cases. I can eat a ton of spinich,

which I like ans still be low carbing if i time it

right. I can find ways to eat natural foods that are

basically Dash foods. But, if we didnt have PA, dash

would probably be easy and a heathy way of eating.

But, if you are gluten sensative or fractose

intolerant, forget it. You cant DASH by the book. Next

best thing, eat the foods that help YOU and cut the

salt.

I am eating a ton of high potassium foods, and

taking perscription K suppliments, and still cant keep

enough K in me. I am eating low sodium diet. My BP is

always normal or below now. Yet, I still have issues

with muscles and I am gaining more weight. If

Dash-like or low sodium - low carb eating will help me

cut the weight back, then that is what I must do. I am

not wrapped around the DASH axle. I have listened here

and read all the materials i could find on it.

It seems what really matters at the end of the

day for PA is "low sodium, high potassium", and make

sure you are getting all the electrolytes and

micro-nutrients your individual body needs..through

foods where possible.

I think if the forum focused more on saying

Low-Sodium, High Potassium way of eating rather than

whether or not we are "Dashing", low carbing, or

eating worms all day, it would be more encouraging. I

am not eating 8-11 servings of grain everyday, period.

I cant have any dairy. So if that means I am not

dashing, tough. I am not failing just becuase I am not

eating what is on that "diet-books" plan framework. I

am doing what we really need to do - eating low sodium

and getting alot of potassium. Can I do better? Yup.

One way for me is to eat more meat. It satisfies me

and I dont eat as many calories that way. It lowers my

insulin levels and I drop weight. Maybe it doesnt work

for everyone, but not everyone can eat "dash" to the

letter either. I am basically saying that just because

I am honest and say I am not following DASH as

described in 's book doesnt mean I am failing to

attempt to help treat PA with diet. Dr Grim says the

pee dont lie. Right, but what you are looking at is

the K/Na ratio, not how much grain or dairy I ate. And

you are only looking at what I did in the last 24hrs

or so. I could say I am dashing to the letter of the

law and if my K/Na ratio proves it, noone knows if I

am eating just meat or noodles all day long...except

me.

DASH is a way to help PA, but at the end of the

day, call it what it is: Low Sodium/High Potassium. If

you can tolerate all the fruit/grain/dairy then you

can do DASH per the book if you want. I cant tolerate

all those, so I will never be doing DASH by the exact

plan in the book.

If Ms was able to drop 50lbs and I was

able to drop almost 30 eating low carb, then why isnt

that something we can talk about here without feeling

like we are being perceived as not complying with the

recommended plan?

My mistake on my low carb eating, which may

have very well brought PA out and made if visable is

all the damn salt I was eating. I wasnt supplimenting

Potassium and not eating K rich foods. I didnt know i

needed to be. Now I do, thanks to the forum and Dr

Grim

I use to eat alot of bacon everyday, tons of

pickles, and home made soup with salt laden bullion

while doing my low carb plan. Good God, it is amazing

I didnt have skyrocketing BP. My blood sugar was

great.

All the anti-adkins yapping in the media about

eggs/fat raising cholesterol is also pure BS. I was

eating 3-4 eggs every single day with bacon. My

cholesterol went down! I dont have high cholesterol

anyway, but i proved that eggs do not raise it, nor

high fat meats. I ate alot of steak...and the fat on

it. Chicken with all the skin and fat too...yet I lost

weight. Since I started eating foods that the low carb

plans would not allow, I have done nothing but gain

weight.

If the forum wanted to really be helpful

to accomodate the variety of us on here who

"cant/wont/dont want to" follow the DASH book

formula, we would focus on talking about other ways

to eat a low sodium/high potassium diet. We would

also talk about how to balance suppliments and

eating, and what blood and urine markers (other than

just K/Na) to look for to help tailor YOUR OWN diet

and suppliment plan to treat your individual needs

of PA and the stage you are in. DASH isnt possible

for everyone. From what I have read here, noone is

really actually following it to the books formula.

Maybe I am wrong and just those of us who are not

who talk about it. For those who dont want to think,

or dont have special needs, follow DASH if you want.

Dr Grim, if I am missing something that

is material, please correct me. If not, can you

acknowlege that it is the "low salt/high potassium"

part of DASH that is what helps us with PA, and that

ANY way of eating/supplimenting that meets that

objective is encouraged. DASH just happens to be a

simple formula that will meet that objective in a

simple plan for those who can/want to use that

approach. It will also cover alot of the other things

like magnesium and calcium within the natural foods

and minimize suppliments. But, if dairy, grain, or

fruit, cause IBS...then we are not really going to

absorb the nutients anyway and need to find an

alternative. The rest of us or not failing to do

everything we can to treat PA, just becuase we are not

following DASH specifically. I want to stop feeling

like I am outside the "club" just because I cant eat

all the stuff on the DASH plan.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed

2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg

Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly),

20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome -

PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by

Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on

Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing

5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1.

But total of Na high also

September 19, 2011

Will ask them next time. It's in pieces. To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:03 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

If it is made in US MUST have labels. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

No labels on cheese!!!!!!NataliaTo: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 6:59 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Read the labels. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Thank you, Don!It's exactly what I wanted to learn : about cheese and sodium, since no labels on it!I eat a lot of cheese, I would say it's my main protein. I thought that Jarlsberg and Mozzarela are low sodium, but it's mypure impression, no real knowledge of a subject. I will try now Swiss and Muenster. What I also figured out - I eat cheese without bread or with Matzos, that contains 0 sodium, since cheese and bread already too much sodium.Many thanks,NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 6:39 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Natalia,How does cheese fit into your plan? I recently learned Swiss and Muenster are naturally low sodium.

The problem with eating a lot of meat and poultry is that they themselves contain a lot of sodium.

When pure carbs don't. I also have diabetes and also have the same problem as and Phyliss, nevertheless eating more meat is not a wayto diet. Then you HAVE to very carefully watch meat's labels, what is seldom possible. Fish is much better, it usually has label

and contains 90% less sodium.Natalia

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

, I also can't tolerate carb laden foods and dairy. I have

insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome.

I have also put on some weight eating this way. I will go back to

low carb with high potassium vegetables. I had a baked potato

yesterday and

I feel so sick today. This morning I had potatoes for breakfast and

I am so sick and sluggish. I thought maybe I could tolerate eating

this way if i kept my potassium up. Now I know I can't.

I will go back to low carb but like you I wasn't eating low sodium.

I will start over again. The thing is I have bought so many carb

laden foods!!

Phyllis

Yes. I have the his book and had read it a few

times. Thanks! I sometimes think khe eforgets that we

probably ate alot of bugs and worms on the paleo diet.

Not really interested in doing htat myself...lol

I dont really follow any specific low carb diet

when I do it. I liked the Protein Power books and the

ideas behind them, and well as the Paleo diet

concepts. I also read Adkins books. I think all of

them are "Dash-like" compliant or at a minimum can be

modified to be that way. What I did that made this

"dashing-like" thing work is cut back on the salt. It

wasnt "DASH" that helped me, it was "low sodium diet",

period.

The idea of Dash to me is less about the

servings of this or that food group being a one size

fits all people. It's helpful for us with PA because

of the low sodium eating and higher potassium. But,

lets face it. Most of us cant eat enough potassium in

natural foods to out do the losses from Aldo. We need

suppliments in most cases. I can eat a ton of spinich,

which I like ans still be low carbing if i time it

right. I can find ways to eat natural foods that are

basically Dash foods. But, if we didnt have PA, dash

would probably be easy and a heathy way of eating.

But, if you are gluten sensative or fractose

intolerant, forget it. You cant DASH by the book. Next

best thing, eat the foods that help YOU and cut the

salt.

I am eating a ton of high potassium foods, and

taking perscription K suppliments, and still cant keep

enough K in me. I am eating low sodium diet. My BP is

always normal or below now. Yet, I still have issues

with muscles and I am gaining more weight. If

Dash-like or low sodium - low carb eating will help me

cut the weight back, then that is what I must do. I am

not wrapped around the DASH axle. I have listened here

and read all the materials i could find on it.

It seems what really matters at the end of the

day for PA is "low sodium, high potassium", and make

sure you are getting all the electrolytes and

micro-nutrients your individual body needs..through

foods where possible.

I think if the forum focused more on saying

Low-Sodium, High Potassium way of eating rather than

whether or not we are "Dashing", low carbing, or

eating worms all day, it would be more encouraging. I

am not eating 8-11 servings of grain everyday, period.

I cant have any dairy. So if that means I am not

dashing, tough. I am not failing just becuase I am not

eating what is on that "diet-books" plan framework. I

am doing what we really need to do - eating low sodium

and getting alot of potassium. Can I do better? Yup.

One way for me is to eat more meat. It satisfies me

and I dont eat as many calories that way. It lowers my

insulin levels and I drop weight. Maybe it doesnt work

for everyone, but not everyone can eat "dash" to the

letter either. I am basically saying that just because

I am honest and say I am not following DASH as

described in 's book doesnt mean I am failing to

attempt to help treat PA with diet. Dr Grim says the

pee dont lie. Right, but what you are looking at is

the K/Na ratio, not how much grain or dairy I ate. And

you are only looking at what I did in the last 24hrs

or so. I could say I am dashing to the letter of the

law and if my K/Na ratio proves it, noone knows if I

am eating just meat or noodles all day long...except

me.

DASH is a way to help PA, but at the end of the

day, call it what it is: Low Sodium/High Potassium. If

you can tolerate all the fruit/grain/dairy then you

can do DASH per the book if you want. I cant tolerate

all those, so I will never be doing DASH by the exact

plan in the book.

If Ms was able to drop 50lbs and I was

able to drop almost 30 eating low carb, then why isnt

that something we can talk about here without feeling

like we are being perceived as not complying with the

recommended plan?

My mistake on my low carb eating, which may

have very well brought PA out and made if visable is

all the damn salt I was eating. I wasnt supplimenting

Potassium and not eating K rich foods. I didnt know i

needed to be. Now I do, thanks to the forum and Dr

Grim

I use to eat alot of bacon everyday, tons of

pickles, and home made soup with salt laden bullion

while doing my low carb plan. Good God, it is amazing

I didnt have skyrocketing BP. My blood sugar was

great.

All the anti-adkins yapping in the media about

eggs/fat raising cholesterol is also pure BS. I was

eating 3-4 eggs every single day with bacon. My

cholesterol went down! I dont have high cholesterol

anyway, but i proved that eggs do not raise it, nor

high fat meats. I ate alot of steak...and the fat on

it. Chicken with all the skin and fat too...yet I lost

weight. Since I started eating foods that the low carb

plans would not allow, I have done nothing but gain

weight.

If the forum wanted to really be helpful

to accomodate the variety of us on here who

"cant/wont/dont want to" follow the DASH book

formula, we would focus on talking about other ways

to eat a low sodium/high potassium diet. We would

also talk about how to balance suppliments and

eating, and what blood and urine markers (other than

just K/Na) to look for to help tailor YOUR OWN diet

and suppliment plan to treat your individual needs

of PA and the stage you are in. DASH isnt possible

for everyone. From what I have read here, noone is

really actually following it to the books formula.

Maybe I am wrong and just those of us who are not

who talk about it. For those who dont want to think,

or dont have special needs, follow DASH if you want.

Dr Grim, if I am missing something that

is material, please correct me. If not, can you

acknowlege that it is the "low salt/high potassium"

part of DASH that is what helps us with PA, and that

ANY way of eating/supplimenting that meets that

objective is encouraged. DASH just happens to be a

simple formula that will meet that objective in a

simple plan for those who can/want to use that

approach. It will also cover alot of the other things

like magnesium and calcium within the natural foods

and minimize suppliments. But, if dairy, grain, or

fruit, cause IBS...then we are not really going to

absorb the nutients anyway and need to find an

alternative. The rest of us or not failing to do

everything we can to treat PA, just becuase we are not

following DASH specifically. I want to stop feeling

like I am outside the "club" just because I cant eat

all the stuff on the DASH plan.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed

2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg

Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly),

20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome -

PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by

Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on

Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing

5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1.

But total of Na high also

September 19, 2011

I meant one ounce is not a lot of cheese.

Huge difference between 35 mg and 200 mg!

From:

Brown

To:

"hyperaldosteronism "

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 7:31 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not feel well after

exercise

Baby swiss is only like 35mg per 1oz.

that is the only kind i eat now.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA

Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No

tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium,

1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI

Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic

Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary

Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium

leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia,

Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right

Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort

of" DASHing 5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio

was 1.1. But total of Na high also

From:

Phyllis

To:

hyperaldosteronism

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 7:19 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not

feel well after exercise

Nat where are you buying your

cheese at? Most cheeses are 200mg

sodium per one ounce serving which

is not a lot.

All cheese i buy has labels.

September 19, 2011

Where do you get your cheese, Natalia?Â Every package I buy is labeled.Â Also, meat is not higher in sodium than fish unless it has been infused with sodium. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva No labels on cheese!!!!!! Natalia Read the labels. Thank you, Don! It's exactly what I wanted to learn : about cheese and sodium, since no labels on it!

September 19, 2011

Suddenly, a jolly Christmas tingle has overcome me. ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started

"sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high alsoTo: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Monday, September 19,

2011 8:05 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Dash away dash Away dash Away all. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

I usually have lean grilled Top Sirloin steak and good old fat filled Beef Chuck roast. I am buying low sodium Chicken now. I dont add any salt. So, I think that will slide in under the salt radar enough. No more bacon, sausage, etc. Strangly enough, my appetite is dropping back some. For lunch today, all i had was some grapes and about 3oz chunk of left over steak. Dinner was about 6 oz of grilled chicken breast, 1 cup of a fresh fruit medley I made with strawberries, plums, blackberries, kiwi, and tomatoes with fresh ground black pepper...and of course some low sodium v8 Juice to wash it all down. Oh, and breakfast was 2 hard boiled eggs, a banana, and some yogurt with quinea and blueberries. That is pretty damn DASHie damnit. ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high alsoTo: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 6:14 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

The problem with eating a lot of meat and poultry is that they themselves contain a lot of sodium.When pure carbs don't. I also have diabetes and also have the same problem as and Phyliss, nevertheless eating more meat is not a wayto diet. Then you HAVE to very carefully watch meat's labels, what is seldom possible. Fish is much better, it usually has labeland contains 90% less sodium.NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:07 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

, I also can't tolerate carb laden foods and dairy. I have

insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome.

I have also put on some weight eating this way. I will go back to

low carb with high potassium vegetables. I had a baked potato

yesterday and

I feel so sick today. This morning I had potatoes for breakfast and

I am so sick and sluggish. I thought maybe I could tolerate eating

this way if i kept my potassium up. Now I know I can't.

I will go back to low carb but like you I wasn't eating low sodium.

I will start over again. The thing is I have bought so many carb

laden foods!!

Phyllis

Yes. I have the his book and had read it a few

times. Thanks! I sometimes think khe eforgets that we

probably ate alot of bugs and worms on the paleo diet.

Not really interested in doing htat myself...lol

I dont really follow any specific low carb diet

when I do it. I liked the Protein Power books and the

ideas behind them, and well as the Paleo diet

concepts. I also read Adkins books. I think all of

them are "Dash-like" compliant or at a minimum can be

modified to be that way. What I did that made this

"dashing-like" thing work is cut back on the salt. It

wasnt "DASH" that helped me, it was "low sodium diet",

period.

The idea of Dash to me is less about the

servings of this or that food group being a one size

fits all people. It's helpful for us with PA because

of the low sodium eating and higher potassium. But,

lets face it. Most of us cant eat enough potassium in

natural foods to out do the losses from Aldo. We need

suppliments in most cases. I can eat a ton of spinich,

which I like ans still be low carbing if i time it

right. I can find ways to eat natural foods that are

basically Dash foods. But, if we didnt have PA, dash

would probably be easy and a heathy way of eating.

But, if you are gluten sensative or fractose

intolerant, forget it. You cant DASH by the book. Next

best thing, eat the foods that help YOU and cut the

salt.

I am eating a ton of high potassium foods, and

taking perscription K suppliments, and still cant keep

enough K in me. I am eating low sodium diet. My BP is

always normal or below now. Yet, I still have issues

with muscles and I am gaining more weight. If

Dash-like or low sodium - low carb eating will help me

cut the weight back, then that is what I must do. I am

not wrapped around the DASH axle. I have listened here

and read all the materials i could find on it.

It seems what really matters at the end of the

day for PA is "low sodium, high potassium", and make

sure you are getting all the electrolytes and

micro-nutrients your individual body needs..through

foods where possible.

I think if the forum focused more on saying

Low-Sodium, High Potassium way of eating rather than

whether or not we are "Dashing", low carbing, or

eating worms all day, it would be more encouraging. I

am not eating 8-11 servings of grain everyday, period.

I cant have any dairy. So if that means I am not

dashing, tough. I am not failing just becuase I am not

eating what is on that "diet-books" plan framework. I

am doing what we really need to do - eating low sodium

and getting alot of potassium. Can I do better? Yup.

One way for me is to eat more meat. It satisfies me

and I dont eat as many calories that way. It lowers my

insulin levels and I drop weight. Maybe it doesnt work

for everyone, but not everyone can eat "dash" to the

letter either. I am basically saying that just because

I am honest and say I am not following DASH as

described in 's book doesnt mean I am failing to

attempt to help treat PA with diet. Dr Grim says the

pee dont lie. Right, but what you are looking at is

the K/Na ratio, not how much grain or dairy I ate. And

you are only looking at what I did in the last 24hrs

or so. I could say I am dashing to the letter of the

law and if my K/Na ratio proves it, noone knows if I

am eating just meat or noodles all day long...except

me.

DASH is a way to help PA, but at the end of the

day, call it what it is: Low Sodium/High Potassium. If

you can tolerate all the fruit/grain/dairy then you

can do DASH per the book if you want. I cant tolerate

all those, so I will never be doing DASH by the exact

plan in the book.

If Ms was able to drop 50lbs and I was

able to drop almost 30 eating low carb, then why isnt

that something we can talk about here without feeling

like we are being perceived as not complying with the

recommended plan?

My mistake on my low carb eating, which may

have very well brought PA out and made if visable is

all the damn salt I was eating. I wasnt supplimenting

Potassium and not eating K rich foods. I didnt know i

needed to be. Now I do, thanks to the forum and Dr

Grim

I use to eat alot of bacon everyday, tons of

pickles, and home made soup with salt laden bullion

while doing my low carb plan. Good God, it is amazing

I didnt have skyrocketing BP. My blood sugar was

great.

All the anti-adkins yapping in the media about

eggs/fat raising cholesterol is also pure BS. I was

eating 3-4 eggs every single day with bacon. My

cholesterol went down! I dont have high cholesterol

anyway, but i proved that eggs do not raise it, nor

high fat meats. I ate alot of steak...and the fat on

it. Chicken with all the skin and fat too...yet I lost

weight. Since I started eating foods that the low carb

plans would not allow, I have done nothing but gain

weight.

If the forum wanted to really be helpful

to accomodate the variety of us on here who

"cant/wont/dont want to" follow the DASH book

formula, we would focus on talking about other ways

to eat a low sodium/high potassium diet. We would

also talk about how to balance suppliments and

eating, and what blood and urine markers (other than

just K/Na) to look for to help tailor YOUR OWN diet

and suppliment plan to treat your individual needs

of PA and the stage you are in. DASH isnt possible

for everyone. From what I have read here, noone is

really actually following it to the books formula.

Maybe I am wrong and just those of us who are not

who talk about it. For those who dont want to think,

or dont have special needs, follow DASH if you want.

Dr Grim, if I am missing something that

is material, please correct me. If not, can you

acknowlege that it is the "low salt/high potassium"

part of DASH that is what helps us with PA, and that

ANY way of eating/supplimenting that meets that

objective is encouraged. DASH just happens to be a

simple formula that will meet that objective in a

simple plan for those who can/want to use that

approach. It will also cover alot of the other things

like magnesium and calcium within the natural foods

and minimize suppliments. But, if dairy, grain, or

fruit, cause IBS...then we are not really going to

absorb the nutients anyway and need to find an

alternative. The rest of us or not failing to do

everything we can to treat PA, just becuase we are not

following DASH specifically. I want to stop feeling

like I am outside the "club" just because I cant eat

all the stuff on the DASH plan.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed

2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg

Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly),

20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome -

PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by

Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on

Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing

5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1.

But total of Na high also

September 19, 2011

It is one slice. I usually just have one or two slices melted on my eggs. ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high alsoTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:28

PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

I meant one ounce is not a lot of cheese.

Huge difference between 35 mg and 200 mg!

From:

Brown

To:

"hyperaldosteronism "

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 7:31 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not feel well after

exercise

Baby swiss is only like 35mg per 1oz.

that is the only kind i eat now.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA

Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No

tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium,

1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI

Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic

Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary

Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium

leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia,

Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right

Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort

of" DASHing 5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio

was 1.1. But total of Na high also

From:

Phyllis

To:

hyperaldosteronism

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 7:19 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not

feel well after exercise

Nat where are you buying your

cheese at? Most cheeses are 200mg

sodium per one ounce serving which

is not a lot.

All cheese i buy has labels.

September 19, 2011

I really don't understand in ounces :-) Europa! How many grams are that?To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:28 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

I meant one ounce is not a lot of cheese.

Huge difference between 35 mg and 200 mg!

From:

Brown

To:

"hyperaldosteronism "

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 7:31 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not feel well after

exercise

Baby swiss is only like 35mg per 1oz.

that is the only kind i eat now.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA

Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No

tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium,

1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI

Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic

Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary

Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium

leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia,

Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right

Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort

of" DASHing 5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio

was 1.1. But total of Na high also

From:

Phyllis

To:

hyperaldosteronism

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 7:19 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not

feel well after exercise

Nat where are you buying your

cheese at? Most cheeses are 200mg

sodium per one ounce serving which

is not a lot.

All cheese i buy has labels.

September 19, 2011

Our supermarkets, like Giant Eagle, Shop'N Save, even Whole Foods, Trader's Joes and Mc Ginnes Sisters don'thave labels on packages of cheese and meat.To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:41 PMSubject: RE: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Where do you get your cheese, Natalia? Every package I buy is labeled. Also, meat is not higher in sodium than fish unless it has been infused with sodium. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva No labels on cheese!!!!!! Natalia Read the labels. Thank you, Don! It's exactly what I wanted to learn : about cheese and sodium, since no labels on it!

September 19, 2011

Two slices have 400 mg - a lot!To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 9:24 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

It is one slice. I usually just have one or two slices melted on my eggs. ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high alsoTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:28

PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

I meant one ounce is not a lot of cheese.

Huge difference between 35 mg and 200 mg!

From:

Brown

To:

"hyperaldosteronism "

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 7:31 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not feel well after

exercise

Baby swiss is only like 35mg per 1oz.

that is the only kind i eat now.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA

Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No

tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium,

1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI

Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic

Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary

Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium

leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia,

Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right

Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort

of" DASHing 5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio

was 1.1. But total of Na high also

From:

Phyllis

To:

hyperaldosteronism

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 7:19 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not

feel well after exercise

Nat where are you buying your

cheese at? Most cheeses are 200mg

sodium per one ounce serving which

is not a lot.

All cheese i buy has labels.

September 20, 2011

No. 2 slices of baby swiss is only 70mg ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started "sort of"

DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high alsoTo: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Tuesday, September 20,

2011 12:40 AMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Two slices have 400 mg - a lot!To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 9:24 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

It is one slice. I usually just have one or two slices melted on my eggs. ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high alsoTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:28

PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

I meant one ounce is not a lot of cheese.

Huge difference between 35 mg and 200 mg!

From:

Brown

To:

"hyperaldosteronism "

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 7:31 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not feel well after

exercise

Baby swiss is only like 35mg per 1oz.

that is the only kind i eat now.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA

Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No

tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium,

1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI

Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic

Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary

Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium

leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia,

Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right

Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort

of" DASHing 5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio

was 1.1. But total of Na high also

From:

Phyllis

To:

hyperaldosteronism

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 7:19 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not

feel well after exercise

Nat where are you buying your

cheese at? Most cheeses are 200mg

sodium per one ounce serving which

is not a lot.

All cheese i buy has labels.

September 20, 2011

Like several on this group discussion, I like eggs and bacon for breakfast. For me, 2 fried eggs and bacon. Well, one slice of low-sodium bacon, Kirkland brand (Costco. 75 mg Na/slice). I have 1 slice, cooked to crisp in the microwave to drain most of the fat away. I have 2 eggs (usually fresh yard eggs from a country living friend's chicken coop), slow poached in extra virgin olive oil (Na, 140 mg, K 140 mg). Add a can of low-sodium V8 (Na 200 mg, K 1,180 mg) and I am good to go for the rest of the day.

Yesterday's lunch was 2 slices Finlandia thin sliced Swiss, (Costco, Na 39 mg/slice), 5 crackers, Nabisco Hint of Salt Premium Saltines /sea salt (I know, doc, 'sea salt is salt', 30mg Na/5 crackers), and another low-sodium V8 (200 mg Na, K 1,180 mg).

Mid-afternoon snack was about a cup of raw almonds(Mg 255/cup, K 670 /cup and Na 1 mg/ cup).My beverages are simple. Filtered (Brita) water, Low-sodium V8, or in the morning, hot tea (Hoji Cha roasted green tea, or Pu-erh Superior) fresh brewed from loose leaves. One drop of Stevia/cup. The teas average about 20 mg K/cup and no Na.

So, on this 'sample' day, I logged about 745 mg of Na, and K about 3,350 mg, before having an evening meal.

I am not so careful about the evening meal. Usually we have fish or chicken and we are partial to fresh vegies, though we are not obsessive about either. About once a month we buy a dry red wine; a bottle might last us as long as a week.

Don Krebs

Â

No. 2 slices of baby swiss is only 70mg

Â ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9 " - 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium,Â 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started " sort of "

DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

To: " hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >

Sent: Tuesday, September 20,

2011 12:40 AMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Â

Two slices have 400 mg - a lot!

To: " hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 9:24 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Â

It is one slice. I usually just have one or two slices melted on my eggs.

Â ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9 " - 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium,Â 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started " sort of " DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

To: hyperaldosteronism

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:28

PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Â

I meant one ounce is not a lot of cheese.

Â

Huge difference between 35 mg and 200 mg!

From:

Brown

To:

" hyperaldosteronism "

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 7:31 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not feel well after

exercise

Â

Baby swiss is only like 35mg per 1oz.

that is the only kind i eat now.

Â

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9 " - 242lbs, PA

Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No

tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium,

1800mg Calcium,Â 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI

Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic

Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary

Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium

leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia,

Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right

Flank Pain

DASH: Started " sort

of " DASHing 5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio

was 1.1. But total of Na high also

From:

Phyllis

To:

hyperaldosteronism

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 7:19 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not

feel well after exercise

Â

Nat where are you buying your

cheese at? Most cheeses are 200mg

sodium per one ounce serving which

is not a lot.

All cheese i buy has labels.

September 20, 2011

You are making me hungry. lol I have a tough time eating that many almonds at one sitting. I can get about 2 oz in an that is about it. I miss my nice smoked/salted almonds, and my several slices of nice thick bacon, and frying the eggs in bacon grease. I know, all bad for me i guess...but i still liked them that way. hehe Lucky you for getting yard eggs. We had chickens when I was young and the eggs tasted so much better than what i get at the store now. If i ever get to move back in the country, I plan to have chickens again. ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds:

50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high alsoTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:00 AMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Like several on this group discussion, I like eggs and bacon for breakfast. For me, 2 fried eggs and bacon. Well, one slice of low-sodium bacon, Kirkland brand (Costco. 75 mg Na/slice). I have 1 slice, cooked to crisp in the microwave to drain most of the fat away. I have 2 eggs (usually fresh yard eggs from a country living friend's chicken coop), slow poached in extra virgin olive oil (Na, 140 mg, K 140 mg). Add a can of low-sodium V8 (Na 200 mg, K 1,180 mg) and I am good to go for the rest of the day.

Yesterday's lunch was 2 slices Finlandia thin sliced Swiss, (Costco, Na 39 mg/slice), 5 crackers, Nabisco Hint of Salt Premium Saltines /sea salt (I know, doc, 'sea salt is salt', 30mg Na/5 crackers), and another low-sodium V8 (200 mg Na, K 1,180 mg).

Mid-afternoon snack was about a cup of raw almonds(Mg 255/cup, K 670 /cup and Na 1 mg/ cup).My beverages are simple. Filtered (Brita) water, Low-sodium V8, or in the morning, hot tea (Hoji Cha roasted green tea, or Pu-erh Superior) fresh brewed from loose leaves. One drop of Stevia/cup. The teas average about 20 mg K/cup and no Na.

So, on this 'sample' day, I logged about 745 mg of Na, and K about 3,350 mg, before having an evening meal.

I am not so careful about the evening meal. Usually we have fish or chicken and we are partial to fresh vegies, though we are not obsessive about either. About once a month we buy a dry red wine; a bottle might last us as long as a week.

Don Krebs

No. 2 slices of baby swiss is only 70mg

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of"

DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >

Sent: Tuesday, September 20,

2011 12:40 AMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Two slices have 400 mg - a lot!

To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 9:24 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

It is one slice. I usually just have one or two slices melted on my eggs.

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

To: hyperaldosteronism

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:28

PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

I meant one ounce is not a lot of cheese.

Huge difference between 35 mg and 200 mg!

From:

Brown

To:

"hyperaldosteronism "

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 7:31 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not feel well after

exercise

Baby swiss is only like 35mg per 1oz.

that is the only kind i eat now.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA

Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No

tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium,

1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI

Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic

Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary

Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium

leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia,

Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right

Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort

of" DASHing 5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio

was 1.1. But total of Na high also

From:

Phyllis

To:

hyperaldosteronism

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 7:19 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not

feel well after exercise

Nat where are you buying your

cheese at? Most cheeses are 200mg

sodium per one ounce serving which

is not a lot.

All cheese i buy has labels.

September 20, 2011

Oh, it's almost nothing! And it might contain 200 mg of Na?! Not fear. To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:42 AMSubject: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

1 ounce = 28.3495231 grams

> Ã‚

> >Huge difference between 35 mg and 200 mg!

> >

> >________________________________

> >

> >To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >

> >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 7:31 PM

> >Subject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

> >

> >Ã‚

> >Baby swiss is only like 35mg per 1oz. that is the only kind i eat now.

> >Ã‚

> >============================================================================

> >45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

> >Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium,Ã‚ 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole

> >Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)

> >Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic

> Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary

> Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium

> leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

> Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia,

> Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right

> Flank Pain

> >DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011

> >Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

> >

> >>To: hyperaldosteronism

> >>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 7:19 PM

> >>Subject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

> >>

> >>Ã‚

> >>Nat where are you buying your cheese at? Most cheeses are 200mg sodium per one ounce serving which is not a lot.

> >>All cheese i buy has labels.

> >>

>

September 20, 2011

Excellent. Note that although LS V8 is low if u do 4 cups a day u get about 1000 Mg Na. Note 2 Max (I think) 32 oz of LS V8 gives about 1000mg Na. This may be one reason this + other food may be too much salt for u. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

You are making me hungry. lol I have a tough time eating that many almonds at one sitting. I can get about 2 oz in an that is about it. I miss my nice smoked/salted almonds, and my several slices of nice thick bacon, and frying the eggs in bacon grease. I know, all bad for me i guess...but i still liked them that way. hehe Lucky you for getting yard eggs. We had chickens when I was young and the eggs tasted so much better than what i get at the store now. If i ever get to move back in the country, I plan to have chickens again. ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds:

50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high alsoTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:00 AMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Like several on this group discussion, I like eggs and bacon for breakfast. For me, 2 fried eggs and bacon. Well, one slice of low-sodium bacon, Kirkland brand (Costco. 75 mg Na/slice). I have 1 slice, cooked to crisp in the microwave to drain most of the fat away. I have 2 eggs (usually fresh yard eggs from a country living friend's chicken coop), slow poached in extra virgin olive oil (Na, 140 mg, K 140 mg). Add a can of low-sodium V8 (Na 200 mg, K 1,180 mg) and I am good to go for the rest of the day.

Yesterday's lunch was 2 slices Finlandia thin sliced Swiss, (Costco, Na 39 mg/slice), 5 crackers, Nabisco Hint of Salt Premium Saltines /sea salt (I know, doc, 'sea salt is salt', 30mg Na/5 crackers), and another low-sodium V8 (200 mg Na, K 1,180 mg).

Mid-afternoon snack was about a cup of raw almonds(Mg 255/cup, K 670 /cup and Na 1 mg/ cup).My beverages are simple. Filtered (Brita) water, Low-sodium V8, or in the morning, hot tea (Hoji Cha roasted green tea, or Pu-erh Superior) fresh brewed from loose leaves. One drop of Stevia/cup. The teas average about 20 mg K/cup and no Na.

So, on this 'sample' day, I logged about 745 mg of Na, and K about 3,350 mg, before having an evening meal.

I am not so careful about the evening meal. Usually we have fish or chicken and we are partial to fresh vegies, though we are not obsessive about either. About once a month we buy a dry red wine; a bottle might last us as long as a week.

Don Krebs

No. 2 slices of baby swiss is only 70mg

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of"

DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >

Sent: Tuesday, September 20,

2011 12:40 AMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Two slices have 400 mg - a lot!

To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 9:24 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

It is one slice. I usually just have one or two slices melted on my eggs.

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

To: hyperaldosteronism

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:28

PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

I meant one ounce is not a lot of cheese.

Huge difference between 35 mg and 200 mg!

From:

Brown

To:

"hyperaldosteronism "

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 7:31 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not feel well after

exercise

Baby swiss is only like 35mg per 1oz.

that is the only kind i eat now.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA

Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No

tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium,

1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI

Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic

Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary

Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium

leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia,

Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right

Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort

of" DASHing 5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio

was 1.1. But total of Na high also

From:

Phyllis

To:

hyperaldosteronism

Sent:

Monday, September 19, 2011 7:19 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not

feel well after exercise

Nat where are you buying your

cheese at? Most cheeses are 200mg

sodium per one ounce serving which

is not a lot.

All cheese i buy has labels.

September 20, 2011

the label on my can says Na is 200 mg andÂ K is 1,180 mg / 11.5 fl oz can, 340 ml.

Â

I went and looked at the label on my V8 juice and it is 140mg per 8 oz, so even 32 oz will only be 560mg. But if i add in my usual 4-5 cans of diet dew at 50mg each tha tis another 200-250. So I am drinking about 800mg of sdium if i have that much V8. I would say it is closed to 20oz a day on average, so not probably the show stopper i was thinking it might be. Weight is the lest of my concerns i think. I just dont watnt o get any bigger and would like to trim off about 25-30 just so i an move around my band gear a little easier.

Â ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9 " - 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium,

1800mg Calcium,Â 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started " sort of " DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:07 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Â

One of the beauties of DASH is it lowers BP without lowering weight. Â But still slowly working on the weight is good as well-we think.CE Grim MD

Â

Yes, you could be very right about that. Too much V8 and 4-5 cans of diet soda and I am gonna be getting too much salt, not matter how well I do on the food side of things.Â I started turning more toward Kiwi and other high potassium fruits and backing off a little on the LSV8. I know they are not low carb,

but I am gonna deal with one problem at a time. My weight seems to have flatlined and I am holding steady at a lardy 242. I get the PA under control with a diet I can live with and then I can worry about slimming down. If I felt better I could exercise more, and that might make all kinds of good things happen.

Â ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9 " - 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium,Â 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia,

Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started " sort of " DASHing 5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

To: " hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:20 AMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Â Excellent. Note that although LS V8 is low if u do 4 cups a day u get about 1000 Mg Na.Â Note 2 Max (I think) 32 oz of LS V8 gives about 1000mg Na. This may be one reason this + other food may be too much salt for u.Â

Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be

low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Â

You are making me hungry. lol I have a tough time eating that many almonds at one sitting. I can get about 2 oz in an that is about it. I miss my nice smoked/salted almonds, and my several slices of nice thick bacon, and frying the eggs in bacon grease. I know, all bad for me i guess...but i still liked them that way. hehe

Lucky you for getting yard eggs. We had chickens when I was young and the eggs tasted so much better than what i get at the store now. If i ever get to move back in the country, I plan to have chickens again.

Â ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9 " - 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium,Â 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started " sort of " DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

To: hyperaldosteronism

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:00 AMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Â Like several on this group discussion, I like eggs and bacon for breakfast.

For me, 2 fried eggs and bacon. Well, one slice of low-sodium bacon, Kirkland brand (Costco. 75 mg Na/slice). I have 1 slice, cooked to crisp in the microwave to drain most of the fat away. I have 2 eggs (usually fresh yard eggs from a country living friend's chicken coop), slow poached

in extra virgin olive oil (Na, 140 mg, K 140 mg). Add a can of low-sodium V8 (Na 200 mg, K 1,180 mg) and I am good to go for the rest of the day. Yesterday's lunch was 2 slices Finlandia thin sliced Swiss, (Costco, Na 39 mg/slice), 5 crackers, Nabisco Hint of Salt Premium Saltines /sea salt (I know, doc, 'sea salt is salt', 30mg Na/5 crackers), and another low-sodium V8 (200 mg Na, K 1,180 mg).

Mid-afternoon snack was about a cup of raw almonds(Mg 255/cup, K 670 /cup and Na 1 mg/ cup).My beverages are simple. Filtered (Brita) water, Low-sodium V8, or in the morning, hot tea (Hoji Cha roasted green tea, or Pu-erh Superior) fresh brewed from loose leaves. One drop of Stevia/cup. The teas average about 20 mg K/cup and no Na.

So, on this 'sample' day, I logged about 745 mg of Na, and K about 3,350 mg, before having an evening meal.

I am not so careful about the evening meal. Usually we have fish or chicken and we are partial to fresh vegies, though we are not obsessive about either. About once a month we buy a dry red wine; a bottle might last us as long as a week.

Don Krebs

Â

No. 2 slices of baby swiss is only 70mg Â ============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9 " - 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS. Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium,

1800mg Calcium,Â 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started " sort of " DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

To: " hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronis!

m > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:40 AMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Â

Two slices have 400 mg - a lot!

To: " hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 9:24 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not f!

eel well after exercise Â

It is one slice. I usually just have one or two slices melted on my eggs. Â ============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9 " - 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS. Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium,Â 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg

OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started " sort of " DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

From: Phyllis

To: hyperaldosteronism

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:28 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Â I meant one ounce is not a lot of cheese. Â

Huge difference between 35 mg and 200 mg!

To: " hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 7:31 PM Subject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Â

Baby swiss is only like 35mg per 1oz. that is the only kind i eat now. Â

============================================================================ 45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9 " - 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium,Â 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started " sort of " DASHing 5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

To: hyperaldosteronism

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Â

Nat where are you buying your cheese at? Most cheeses are 200mg sodium per one ounce serving which is not a lot.

All cheese i buy has labels.

September 20, 2011

That is probably the "Spicy" version ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started "sort of" DASHing

5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high alsoTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:30 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

the label on my can says Na is 200 mg and K is 1,180 mg / 11.5 fl oz can, 340 ml.

I went and looked at the label on my V8 juice and it is 140mg per 8 oz, so even 32 oz will only be 560mg. But if i add in my usual 4-5 cans of diet dew at 50mg each tha tis another 200-250. So I am drinking about 800mg of sdium if i have that much V8. I would say it is closed to 20oz a day on average, so not probably the show stopper i was thinking it might be. Weight is the lest of my concerns i think. I just dont watnt o get any bigger and would like to trim off about 25-30 just so i an move around my band gear a little easier.

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium,

1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:07 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

One of the beauties of DASH is it lowers BP without lowering weight. But still slowly working on the weight is good as well-we think.CE Grim MD

Yes, you could be very right about that. Too much V8 and 4-5 cans of diet soda and I am gonna be getting too much salt, not matter how well I do on the food side of things. I started turning more toward Kiwi and other high potassium fruits and backing off a little on the LSV8. I know they are not low carb,

but I am gonna deal with one problem at a time. My weight seems to have flatlined and I am holding steady at a lardy 242. I get the PA under control with a diet I can live with and then I can worry about slimming down. If I felt better I could exercise more, and that might make all kinds of good things happen.

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia,

Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:20 AMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Excellent. Note that although LS V8 is low if u do 4 cups a day u get about 1000 Mg Na. Note 2 Max (I think) 32 oz of LS V8 gives about 1000mg Na. This may be one reason this + other food may be too much salt for u.

Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be

low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

You are making me hungry. lol I have a tough time eating that many almonds at one sitting. I can get about 2 oz in an that is about it. I miss my nice smoked/salted almonds, and my several slices of nice thick bacon, and frying the eggs in bacon grease. I know, all bad for me i guess...but i still liked them that way. hehe

Lucky you for getting yard eggs. We had chickens when I was young and the eggs tasted so much better than what i get at the store now. If i ever get to move back in the country, I plan to have chickens again.

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

To: hyperaldosteronism

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:00 AMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Like several on this group discussion, I like eggs and bacon for breakfast.

For me, 2 fried eggs and bacon. Well, one slice of low-sodium bacon, Kirkland brand (Costco. 75 mg Na/slice). I have 1 slice, cooked to crisp in the microwave to drain most of the fat away. I have 2 eggs (usually fresh yard eggs from a country living friend's chicken coop), slow poached

in extra virgin olive oil (Na, 140 mg, K 140 mg). Add a can of low-sodium V8 (Na 200 mg, K 1,180 mg) and I am good to go for the rest of the day. Yesterday's lunch was 2 slices Finlandia thin sliced Swiss, (Costco, Na 39 mg/slice), 5 crackers, Nabisco Hint of Salt Premium Saltines /sea salt (I know, doc, 'sea salt is salt', 30mg Na/5 crackers), and another low-sodium V8 (200 mg Na, K 1,180 mg).

Mid-afternoon snack was about a cup of raw almonds(Mg 255/cup, K 670 /cup and Na 1 mg/ cup).My beverages are simple. Filtered (Brita) water, Low-sodium V8, or in the morning, hot tea (Hoji Cha roasted green tea, or Pu-erh Superior) fresh brewed from loose leaves. One drop of Stevia/cup. The teas average about 20 mg K/cup and no Na.

So, on this 'sample' day, I logged about 745 mg of Na, and K about 3,350 mg, before having an evening meal.

I am not so careful about the evening meal. Usually we have fish or chicken and we are partial to fresh vegies, though we are not obsessive about either. About once a month we buy a dry red wine; a bottle might last us as long as a week.

Don Krebs

No. 2 slices of baby swiss is only 70mg ============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS. Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium,

1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronis!

m > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:40 AMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Two slices have 400 mg - a lot!

To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 9:24 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not f!

eel well after exercise

It is one slice. I usually just have one or two slices melted on my eggs. ============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS. Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg

OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

From: Phyllis

To: hyperaldosteronism

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:28 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

I meant one ounce is not a lot of cheese.

Huge difference between 35 mg and 200 mg!

To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 7:31 PM Subject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Baby swiss is only like 35mg per 1oz. that is the only kind i eat now.

============================================================================ 45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

To: hyperaldosteronism

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Nat where are you buying your cheese at? Most cheeses are 200mg sodium per one ounce serving which is not a lot.

All cheese i buy has labels.

September 20, 2011

Thanks. I will tell them, but it doesn't help me to figure out what to buy.Recently I asked in Organic Store to point which turkey breast is low sodium. The manager pointed to a low fat one. How do I know if it's also low sodium? Nothing in written. NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tuesday,

September 20, 2011 11:06 AMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Well then I would not risk my health on them and would tell the managers they may be violating the labeling laws. CE Grim MD Our supermarkets, like Giant Eagle, Shop'N Save, even Whole Foods, Trader's Joes and Mc Ginnes Sisters don'thave labels on packages of cheese and meat.To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:41 PMSubject: RE: Re: Do not feel well after exercise Where do you get your cheese,

Natalia? Every package I buy is labeled. Also, meat is not higher in sodium than fish unless it has been infused with sodium. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva No labels on cheese!!!!!! Natalia Read the labels. Thank you, Don! It's exactly what I wanted to learn : about cheese and sodium, since no labels on

it!

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