Re: can anyone share links/resources with me to respond to this?

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Lanfranchi’s website at Breast Cancer Prevention Institute and Kahlenborn’s Polycarp website offer the most online comprehensive literature review. Also, Stanford’s article in the ls of Pharmacotherapy on the “PostFertilization Effects of the Pill” and any package insert of any hormonal contraceptive that states under mechanisms of action “thinning of the lining of the uterus preventing implantation of the embryo” is very revealing. Also, there are NO definitive double blind placebo controlled studies documenting that the hormonal pill cures or treats anything; yes, it can be “used” to relieve menstrual discomforts but so can a lot of other holistic and hormonal (non pill, non estrogen containing products) products! With that being said, Humanae Vitae does allow for use of those medically indicated treatments with the pill (as I said there are none) but the potential abortifacient properties kind of outweigh that; further, NaPro technology with the Creighton model NFP for medical issues ( get a diagnosis first and then treat accordingly) is a better method. Remember, hormonal contraceptives are potent steroid hormones with lots of side effects inducing a “pseudo-pregnancy”- state; are women really willing to trade more comfortable and/or more regular periods for those increased risks? As a male Ob/Gyn I do not and will not prescribe them for anything and have managed my patients for the past 13 yrs without problems.Les Ruppersberger, D.O. FACOOG From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of BudkeSent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:52 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: can anyone share links/resources with me to respond to this? Hello all - My neice is a new convert the Catholic faith - she recently shared this comment and this article (on facebook):one thing that this writer brings up, that I think has been mostly left out of the arguments is the fact that birth control is not always used as birth control. for women who have out of control cramps or other period-related issues, birth control can allow for every day to be manageable. http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/10/my-take-why-im-a-catholic-for-contraception/?hpt=hp_c2I responded with: prescribing for reasons other than birth control only treats symptoms - not the underlying cause(s) of the symptoms. Her reply: I see your argument, I have yet to see any solid studies that show the birth control prescribed to most women to be abortive. I would be interested in seeing such studies if you know of any. I guess I'm just curious - we don't monitor the solutions most doctors and patients find, so even if this is not always the best possible solution for a woman suffering from menstrual symptoms, why should we say it can never be used for that purpose? I understand pharmaceutical companies throw their weight around and that's not a good thing, but I don't think that makes birth control a bad solution all of the time. I know that because I am on birth control, I can get out of bed everyday and never have to miss work or life because of menstrual cramps (and the migraines and vomiting that would sometimes come with them). I'm sure there are other things that might work to prevent the same problems, but if this works for me, why is it wrong? Before I respond to her again, I would like to be able to cite the many studies out there. I am looking for links to the studies, etc.She is really eager to learn and I do not want to " lecture " - I also believe she has many non-catholic friends who really want to learn too. Dr Duane - I would love to quote you if you don't mind, as your recent post is so well said. (I will wait for your permission, as this is a closed forum) " Unfortunately, pharmacetuical companies have a huge influence on what we learn in medicine and we are told time and time again about the numerous health " benefits " of contraception, without learning about all the harms - including an increase risk of breast cancer, blood clots, stroke and heart attacks. Did you know that the World Health Organization classifies the combination estrogen-progesterone birth control pill as a Group 1 carcinogen, placing it in the same category as tobacco, due to the increased risk of breast, cervical and liver cancer associated with the combo OCPs? " Thank you for any assistance! Sincerely, Budke, LPNBOM Instructor

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I don't have any studies saved at home, but they were called " Post-fertilization effects of " birth control.. in case that helps you find any

 

Lanfranchi’s website at Breast Cancer Prevention Institute and Kahlenborn’s Polycarp website offer the most online comprehensive literature review.  Also, Stanford’s article in the ls of Pharmacotherapy on the “PostFertilization Effects of the Pill” and any package insert of any hormonal contraceptive that states under mechanisms of action “thinning of the lining of the uterus preventing implantation of the embryo” is very revealing.  Also, there are NO definitive double blind placebo controlled studies documenting that the hormonal pill cures or treats anything; yes, it can be “used” to relieve menstrual discomforts but so can a lot of other holistic and hormonal (non pill, non estrogen containing products) products!  With that being said, Humanae Vitae does allow for use of those medically indicated treatments with the pill (as I said there are none) but the potential abortifacient properties kind of outweigh that; further, NaPro technology with the Creighton model NFP for medical issues ( get a diagnosis first and then treat accordingly) is a better method.  Remember, hormonal contraceptives are potent steroid hormones with lots of side effects inducing a “pseudo-pregnancy”- state; are women really willing to trade more comfortable and/or more regular periods for those increased risks?  As a male Ob/Gyn I do not and will not prescribe them for anything and have managed my patients for the past 13 yrs without problems.

Les Ruppersberger, D.O. FACOOG 

From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Budke

Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:52 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: can anyone share links/resources with me to respond to this?

   Hello all -  My neice is a new convert the Catholic faith - she recently shared this comment and this article (on facebook):

one thing that this writer brings up, that I think has been mostly left out of the arguments is the fact that birth control is not always used as birth control. for women who have out of control cramps or other period-related issues, birth control can allow for every day to be manageable. http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/10/my-take-why-im-a-catholic-for-contraception/?hpt=hp_c2

I responded with: prescribing for reasons other than birth control only treats symptoms - not the underlying cause(s) of the symptoms.

  Her reply: I see your argument, I have yet to see any solid studies that show the birth control prescribed to most women to be abortive. I would be interested in seeing such studies if you know of any. I guess I'm just curious - we don't monitor the solutions most doctors and patients find, so even if this is not always the best possible solution for a woman suffering from menstrual symptoms, why should we say it can never be used for that purpose? I understand pharmaceutical companies throw their weight around and that's not a good thing, but I don't think that makes birth control a bad solution all of the time. I know that because I am on birth control, I can get out of bed everyday and never have to miss work or life because of menstrual cramps (and the migraines and vomiting that would sometimes come with them). I'm sure there are other things that might work to prevent the same problems, but if this works for me, why is it wrong?

  Before I respond  to her again,  I would like to be able to cite the many studies out there. I am looking for links to the studies, etc.

She is really eager to learn and I do not want to " lecture "   - I also believe she has many  non-catholic friends who really want to learn too.

 Dr Duane - I would love to quote you if you don't mind, as your recent post is so well said. (I will wait for your permission, as this is a closed forum)

  " Unfortunately, pharmacetuical companies have a huge influence on what we learn in medicine and we are told time and time again about the numerous health " benefits " of contraception, without learning about all the harms - including an increase risk of breast cancer, blood clots, stroke and heart attacks.  Did you know that the World Health Organization classifies the combination estrogen-progesterone birth control pill as a Group 1 carcinogen, placing it in the same category as tobacco, due to the increased risk of breast, cervical and liver cancer associated with the combo OCPs? "   

 Thank you for any assistance!   

Sincerely, Budke, LPNBOM Instructor

  

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Here are some links I could find on-line:http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6874/5/11This is the title of a different one that I really liked, but I'm not seeing an easy link to the full article. Here's info on it:

Postfertilization effects of oral contraceptives and their relationship to informed consent[PDF] from noabort.netWL Larimore… - Archives of Family Medicine, 2000 - Am Med Assoc

> I don't have any studies saved at home, but they were called " Post-fertilization effects of " birth control.. in case that helps you find any

>> >>  >> Lanfranchi’s website at Breast Cancer Prevention Institute and Kahlenborn’s Polycarp website offer the most online comprehensive literature review.  Also, Stanford’s article in the ls of Pharmacotherapy on the “PostFertilization Effects of the Pill” and any package insert of any hormonal contraceptive that states under mechanisms of action “thinning of the lining of the uterus preventing implantation of the embryo” is very revealing.  Also, there are NO definitive double blind placebo controlled studies documenting that the hormonal pill cures or treats anything; yes, it can be “used” to relieve menstrual discomforts but so can a lot of other holistic and hormonal (non pill, non estrogen containing products) products!  With that being said, Humanae Vitae does allow for use of those medically indicated treatments with the pill (as I said there are none) but the potential abortifacient properties kind of outweigh that; further, NaPro technology with the Creighton model NFP for medical issues ( get a diagnosis first and then treat accordingly) is a better method.  Remember, hormonal contraceptives are potent steroid hormones with lots of side effects inducing a “pseudo-pregnancy”- state; are women really willing to trade more comfortable and/or more regular periods for those increased risks?  As a male Ob/Gyn I do not and will not prescribe them for anything and have managed my patients for the past 13 yrs without problems.

>> Les Ruppersberger, D.O. FACOOG>>  >> From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Budke

> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:52 PM> To: nfpprofessionals > Subject: can anyone share links/resources with me to respond to this?

>>  >>  >> Hello all -  My neice is a new convert the Catholic faith - she recently shared this comment and this article (on facebook):>> one thing that this writer brings up, that I think has been mostly left out of the arguments is the fact that birth control is not always used as birth control. for women who have out of control cramps or other period-related issues, birth control can allow for every day to be manageable. http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/10/my-take-why-im-a-catholic-for-contraception/?hpt=hp_c2

>> I responded with: prescribing for reasons other than birth control only treats symptoms - not the underlying cause(s) of the symptoms.>>   Her reply: I see your argument, I have yet to see any solid studies that show the birth control prescribed to most women to be abortive. I would be interested in seeing such studies if you know of any. I guess I'm just curious - we don't monitor the solutions most doctors and patients find, so even if this is not always the best possible solution for a woman suffering from menstrual symptoms, why should we say it can never be used for that purpose? I understand pharmaceutical companies throw their weight around and that's no