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My son 8yrs told me over the summer his brain was saying not nice things about

people.  He also had a hard time saying he loved anyone.  Just this Christmas I

got an I love you, made me cry :)  The therapist we saw said that the " voices "

are part of the OCD.  We didn't go to much into it because it wasn't happening

at the time.

Subject: " voices " ?

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Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 1:25 PM

My son told me (reluctantly and with several hints or questions for

several days before revealing anything) that he hears a scary mean

voice being " mean " to him that has happened 2-3 times recently. I

know " voices " has come up here before-does anyone consider it a part

of OCD?

He seemed to want reassurance that it was not truly external. I told

him it is his brain playing a trick on him and that doctors can even

induce hallucinations (whether visual or auitory) by probing certain

parts of the brain-this was to let him know that it comes from inside

not outside, and is a hallucination- not real.

My 16 yr old daughter heard " mean " voices too, starting about age 13,

and lasting through a crisis with her OCD (she feared eating and

finally had to be hospitalized) but does not have that problem

anymore.

I wonder could it be something to do with puberty and greater stress

due to hormaonal changes, or something to do with OCD getting worse-

though he seems to be in status-quo, which is not necessarily good

since he has alot of avoidances. But I have not seen the OCD getting

worse, he has actually seemed more relaxed and interactive (within

the family) of late (though this does not represent any improvement

to his contmination type OCD).

I have this sense that low stress and low stimulus reduces the

likliehood of it (voices) happening-but then that may not be the way

to help the OCD- which is supposed to be challenged by exposures etc.

Since I was considering resuming his therapy and attempts at ERP this

other symptom concerns me. I also have concerns about bringing it up

at the the outset if we start with a new therapist-depends upon how

she would view it I guess.

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Thanks- when my older daughter was at UCLA they said she was

shizotypal, due to things like the voices and the oddity of her

superstitions. I was more in favor of calling it all part of the OCD.

Maybe it does not matter so much what you call it, just how you work

with it, but I think the schizotypal label could be more stigmatizing

and could be premature in a young child (my son is 12) hence my

concern about how a therapist might view voices (and whether ERP

could more stressful for a kid with this symptom).

nancy grace

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> My son told me (reluctantly and with several hints or questions for

> several days before revealing anything) that he hears a scary mean

> voice being " mean " to him that has happened 2-3 times recently. I

> know " voices " has come up here before-does anyone consider it a

part

> of OCD?

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> He seemed to want reassurance that it was not truly external. I

told

> him it is his brain playing a trick on him and that doctors can

even

> induce hallucinations (whether visual or auitory) by probing

certain

> parts of the brain-this was to let him know that it comes from

inside

> not outside, and is a hallucination- not real.

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> My 16 yr old daughter heard " mean " voices too, starting about age

13,

> and lasting through a crisis with her OCD (she feared eating and

> finally had to be hospitalized) but does not have that problem

> anymore.

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> I wonder could it be something to do with puberty and greater

stress

> due to hormaonal changes, or something to do with OCD getting worse-

> though he seems to be in status-quo, which is not necessarily good

> since he has alot of avoidances. But I have not seen the OCD

getting

> worse, he has actually seemed more relaxed and interactive (within

> the family) of late (though this does not represent any improvement

> to his contmination type OCD).

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> I have this sense that low stress and low stimulus reduces the

> likliehood of it (voices) happening-but then that may not be the

way

> to help the OCD- which is supposed to be challenged by exposures

etc.

> Since I was considering resuming his therapy and attempts at ERP

this

> other symptom concerns me. I also have concerns about bringing it

up

> at the the outset if we start with a new therapist-depends upon how

> she would view it I guess.

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I think it depends on whether the voice is a thought of his, or

whether it is coming from outside of himself, as to whether it can be

considered OCD. Is he able to tell? Does it seem like it is his

voice, or someone else to him?

BJ

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> My son told me (reluctantly and with several hints or questions for

> several days before revealing anything) that he hears a scary mean

> voice being " mean " to him that has happened 2-3 times recently. I

> know " voices " has come up here before-does anyone consider it a part

> of OCD?

>

> He seemed to want reassurance that it was not truly external. I told

> him it is his brain playing a trick on him and that doctors can even

> induce hallucinations (whether visual or auitory) by probing certain

> parts of the brain-this was to let him know that it comes from inside

> not outside, and is a hallucination- not real.

>

> My 16 yr old daughter heard " mean " voices too, starting about age 13,

> and lasting through a crisis with her OCD (she feared eating and

> finally had to be hospitalized) but does not have that problem

> anymore.

>

> I wonder could it be something to do with puberty and greater stress

> due to hormaonal changes, or something to do with OCD getting worse-

> though he seems to be in status-quo, which is not necessarily good

> since he has alot of avoidances. But I have not seen the OCD getting

> worse, he has actually seemed more relaxed and interactive (within

> the family) of late (though this does not represent any improvement

> to his contmination type OCD).

>

> I have this sense that low stress and low stimulus reduces the

> likliehood of it (voices) happening-but then that may not be the way

> to help the OCD- which is supposed to be challenged by exposures etc.

> Since I was considering resuming his therapy and attempts at ERP this

> other symptom concerns me. I also have concerns about bringing it up

> at the the outset if we start with a new therapist-depends upon how

> she would view it I guess.

>

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My son started hearing voices, they were telling him that I was going to die

and all kinds of awful things.

He also had OCD in the form of constant handwashing.

I took him to the GP, who referred him to a psychiatrist.

That was two years ago, he's now been diagnosed with OCD, anxiety,

depression and Aspergers syndrome.

Val

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>I think it depends on whether the voice is a thought of his, or

> whether it is coming from outside of himself, as to whether it can be

> considered OCD. Is he able to tell? Does it seem like it is his

> voice, or someone else to him?

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> BJ

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>> My son told me (reluctantly and with several hints or questions for

>> several days before revealing anything) that he hears a scary mean

>> voice being " mean " to him that has happened 2-3 times recently. I

>> know " voices " has come up here before-does anyone consider it a part

>> of OCD?

>>

>> He seemed to want reassurance that it was not truly external. I told

>> him it is his brain playing a trick on him and that doctors can even

>> induce hallucinations (whether visual or auitory) by probing certain

>> parts of the brain-this was to let him know that it comes from inside

>> not outside, and is a hallucination- not real.

>>

>> My 16 yr old daughter heard " mean " voices too, starting about age 13,

>> and lasting through a crisis with her OCD (she feared eating and

>> finally had to be hospitalized) but does not have that problem

>> anymore.

>>

>> I wonder could it be something to do with puberty and greater stress

>> due to hormaonal changes, or something to do with OCD getting worse-

>> though he seems to be in status-quo, which is not necessarily good

>> since he has alot of avoidances. But I have not seen the OCD getting

>> worse, he has actually seemed more relaxed and interactive (within

>> the family) of late (though this does not represent any improvement

>> to his contmination type OCD).

>>

>> I have this sense that low stress and low stimulus reduces the

>> likliehood of it (voices) happening-but then that may not be the way

>> to help the OCD- which is supposed to be challenged by exposures etc.

>> Since I was considering resuming his therapy and attempts at ERP this

>> other symptom concerns me. I also have concerns about bringing it up

>> at the the outset if we start with a new therapist-depends upon how

>> she would view it I guess.

>>

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My son also heard voices at one stage (when things were very bad for

him) and he also " saw " bad things happening -- he thought he saw his

father and me letting snakes out of cupboards to hurt him. At one

stage, he also wasn't sure I was his mother but perhaps someone else

who wanted to poison him. These symptoms have passed now but were

very disturbing for him (and us). We were never quite sure if they

seemed fully real to him, or if part of him knew they were just in

his head. Abilify was a good medication for him perhaps because of

the anti-psychotic properties it has.

Ali

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Its very scary, my son was put on rispradril (not sure of the speeling),

which is also an anti-psychotic and thankfully hasn't had the voices since.

Val

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> My son also heard voices at one stage (when things were very bad for

> him) and he also " saw " bad things happening -- he thought he saw his

> father and me letting snakes out of cupboards to hurt him. At one

> stage, he also wasn't sure I was his mother but perhaps someone else

> who wanted to poison him. These symptoms have passed now but were

> very disturbing for him (and us). We were never quite sure if they

> seemed fully real to him, or if part of him knew they were just in

> his head. Abilify was a good medication for him perhaps because of

> the anti-psychotic properties it has.

> Ali

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Do medicines sometimes make this worse instead of better? I ask

because my son's nightmares seem to get more vivid from the medication

and it's a bit hard for him to tell if they are real or not.

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> My son has reported seeing some very horrific things also. I don't

know if this is from his OCD thoughts, that he thinks are real or from

the psychosis, or possibly, like I had mentioned earlier, his

anxiety.He has been on Abilify for several months now too, and it

seems to have gone away.

> I hear people calling me often, but usually people with severe

psychosis, hear several conversations going on in their heads at once,

or report hearing a voice telling them to do awful things.

> Hugs

> Judy

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> Subject: Re: " voices " ?

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> My son also heard voices at one stage (when things were very bad for

> him) and he also " saw " bad things happening -- he thought he saw his

> father and me letting snakes out of cupboards to hurt him. At one

> stage, he also wasn't sure I was his mother but perhaps someone else

> who wanted to poison him. These symptoms have passed now but were

> very disturbing for him (and us). We were never quite sure if they

> seemed fully real to him, or if part of him knew they were just in

> his head. Abilify was a good medication for him perhaps because of

> the anti-psychotic properties it has.

> Ali

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When I was wondering if Joei heard " voices " or had  " thoughts " I was told that if

it is external (outside of her head--hearing it the same way she hears sounds)

they are voices. If it is internal in her head they are thoughts.  I was also

told it could possibly be the difference between OCD and psychosis.

 

~~Kathy

 Courage is not living without fear.

Courage is being scared to death and doing the right thing anyway.

-Chae

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Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 10:34:28 AM

Subject: Re: " voices " ?

I think that the " voices " come with the OCD. My youngest daughter, ,

told me she heard " voices " when she was seven but she was able to explain to

me that the voices were " loud thoughts " that would not leave her alone. I

think your explanation to your son was great. My oldest daughter, really does

hallucinate. She has narcolepsy and sometimes people with this sleep disorder

do see things right before they fall asleep or right as they wake up. We

told Hannah for years that she was seeing things because of her OCD and she

always told us she didn't think that was it. Turns out she was right :) Kelley

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SSRI's (and I suppose some other meds too) can make dreams more vivid.

I've read that often in other groups from people on them.

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> Do medicines sometimes make this worse instead of better? I ask

> because my son's nightmares seem to get more vivid from the medication

> and it's a bit hard for him to tell if they are real or not.

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Kathy,

It's so hard to distinguish. How old is your dd again? Depending on their age

and how well they can describe it really makes a difference.

Hugs

Judy

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Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 11:09:15 PM

Subject: Re: " voices " ?

When I was wondering if Joei heard " voices " or had  " thoughts " I was told that if

it is external (outside of her head--hearing it the same way she hears sounds)

they are voices. If it is internal in her head they are thoughts.  I was also

told it could possibly be the difference between OCD and psychosis.

 

~~Kathy

 Courage is not living without fear.

Courage is being scared to death and doing the right thing anyway.

-Chae

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Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 10:34:28 AM

Subject: Re: " voices " ?

I think that the " voices " come with the OCD. My youngest daughter, ,

told me she heard " voices " when she was seven but she was able to explain to

me that the voices were " loud thoughts " that would not leave her alone. I

think your explanation to your son was great. My oldest daughter, really does

hallucinate. She has narcolepsy and sometimes people with this sleep disorder

do see things right before they fall asleep or right as they wake up. We

told Hannah for years that she was seeing things because of her OCD and she

always told us she didn't think that was it. Turns out she was right :) Kelley

in NV

************ **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making

headlines. (http://www.aol. com/?ncid= emlcntaolcom0000 0026)

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