Guest guest Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 My son 8yrs told me over the summer his brain was saying not nice things about people. He also had a hard time saying he loved anyone. Just this Christmas I got an I love you, made me cry The therapist we saw said that the " voices " are part of the OCD. We didn't go to much into it because it wasn't happening at the time. Subject: " voices " ? To: Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 1:25 PM My son told me (reluctantly and with several hints or questions for several days before revealing anything) that he hears a scary mean voice being " mean " to him that has happened 2-3 times recently. I know " voices " has come up here before-does anyone consider it a part of OCD? He seemed to want reassurance that it was not truly external. I told him it is his brain playing a trick on him and that doctors can even induce hallucinations (whether visual or auitory) by probing certain parts of the brain-this was to let him know that it comes from inside not outside, and is a hallucination- not real. My 16 yr old daughter heard " mean " voices too, starting about age 13, and lasting through a crisis with her OCD (she feared eating and finally had to be hospitalized) but does not have that problem anymore. I wonder could it be something to do with puberty and greater stress due to hormaonal changes, or something to do with OCD getting worse- though he seems to be in status-quo, which is not necessarily good since he has alot of avoidances. But I have not seen the OCD getting worse, he has actually seemed more relaxed and interactive (within the family) of late (though this does not represent any improvement to his contmination type OCD). I have this sense that low stress and low stimulus reduces the likliehood of it (voices) happening-but then that may not be the way to help the OCD- which is supposed to be challenged by exposures etc. Since I was considering resuming his therapy and attempts at ERP this other symptom concerns me. I also have concerns about bringing it up at the the outset if we start with a new therapist-depends upon how she would view it I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Thanks- when my older daughter was at UCLA they said she was shizotypal, due to things like the voices and the oddity of her superstitions. I was more in favor of calling it all part of the OCD. Maybe it does not matter so much what you call it, just how you work with it, but I think the schizotypal label could be more stigmatizing and could be premature in a young child (my son is 12) hence my concern about how a therapist might view voices (and whether ERP could more stressful for a kid with this symptom). nancy grace > > > Subject: " voices " ? > To: > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 1:25 PM > > > > > > > My son told me (reluctantly and with several hints or questions for > several days before revealing anything) that he hears a scary mean > voice being " mean " to him that has happened 2-3 times recently. I > know " voices " has come up here before-does anyone consider it a part > of OCD? > > He seemed to want reassurance that it was not truly external. I told > him it is his brain playing a trick on him and that doctors can even > induce hallucinations (whether visual or auitory) by probing certain > parts of the brain-this was to let him know that it comes from inside > not outside, and is a hallucination- not real. > > My 16 yr old daughter heard " mean " voices too, starting about age 13, > and lasting through a crisis with her OCD (she feared eating and > finally had to be hospitalized) but does not have that problem > anymore. > > I wonder could it be something to do with puberty and greater stress > due to hormaonal changes, or something to do with OCD getting worse- > though he seems to be in status-quo, which is not necessarily good > since he has alot of avoidances. But I have not seen the OCD getting > worse, he has actually seemed more relaxed and interactive (within > the family) of late (though this does not represent any improvement > to his contmination type OCD). > > I have this sense that low stress and low stimulus reduces the > likliehood of it (voices) happening-but then that may not be the way > to help the OCD- which is supposed to be challenged by exposures etc. > Since I was considering resuming his therapy and attempts at ERP this > other symptom concerns me. I also have concerns about bringing it up > at the the outset if we start with a new therapist-depends upon how > she would view it I guess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I think it depends on whether the voice is a thought of his, or whether it is coming from outside of himself, as to whether it can be considered OCD. Is he able to tell? Does it seem like it is his voice, or someone else to him? BJ > > My son told me (reluctantly and with several hints or questions for > several days before revealing anything) that he hears a scary mean > voice being " mean " to him that has happened 2-3 times recently. I > know " voices " has come up here before-does anyone consider it a part > of OCD? > > He seemed to want reassurance that it was not truly external. I told > him it is his brain playing a trick on him and that doctors can even > induce hallucinations (whether visual or auitory) by probing certain > parts of the brain-this was to let him know that it comes from inside > not outside, and is a hallucination- not real. > > My 16 yr old daughter heard " mean " voices too, starting about age 13, > and lasting through a crisis with her OCD (she feared eating and > finally had to be hospitalized) but does not have that problem > anymore. > > I wonder could it be something to do with puberty and greater stress > due to hormaonal changes, or something to do with OCD getting worse- > though he seems to be in status-quo, which is not necessarily good > since he has alot of avoidances. But I have not seen the OCD getting > worse, he has actually seemed more relaxed and interactive (within > the family) of late (though this does not represent any improvement > to his contmination type OCD). > > I have this sense that low stress and low stimulus reduces the > likliehood of it (voices) happening-but then that may not be the way > to help the OCD- which is supposed to be challenged by exposures etc. > Since I was considering resuming his therapy and attempts at ERP this > other symptom concerns me. I also have concerns about bringing it up > at the the outset if we start with a new therapist-depends upon how > she would view it I guess. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 My son started hearing voices, they were telling him that I was going to die and all kinds of awful things. He also had OCD in the form of constant handwashing. I took him to the GP, who referred him to a psychiatrist. That was two years ago, he's now been diagnosed with OCD, anxiety, depression and Aspergers syndrome. Val Re: " voices " ? >I think it depends on whether the voice is a thought of his, or > whether it is coming from outside of himself, as to whether it can be > considered OCD. Is he able to tell? Does it seem like it is his > voice, or someone else to him? > > BJ > > >> >> My son told me (reluctantly and with several hints or questions for >> several days before revealing anything) that he hears a scary mean >> voice being " mean " to him that has happened 2-3 times recently. I >> know " voices " has come up here before-does anyone consider it a part >> of OCD? >> >> He seemed to want reassurance that it was not truly external. I told >> him it is his brain playing a trick on him and that doctors can even >> induce hallucinations (whether visual or auitory) by probing certain >> parts of the brain-this was to let him know that it comes from inside >> not outside, and is a hallucination- not real. >> >> My 16 yr old daughter heard " mean " voices too, starting about age 13, >> and lasting through a crisis with her OCD (she feared eating and >> finally had to be hospitalized) but does not have that problem >> anymore. >> >> I wonder could it be something to do with puberty and greater stress >> due to hormaonal changes, or something to do with OCD getting worse- >> though he seems to be in status-quo, which is not necessarily good >> since he has alot of avoidances. But I have not seen the OCD getting >> worse, he has actually seemed more relaxed and interactive (within >> the family) of late (though this does not represent any improvement >> to his contmination type OCD). >> >> I have this sense that low stress and low stimulus reduces the >> likliehood of it (voices) happening-but then that may not be the way >> to help the OCD- which is supposed to be challenged by exposures etc. >> Since I was considering resuming his therapy and attempts at ERP this >> other symptom concerns me. I also have concerns about bringing it up >> at the the outset if we start with a new therapist-depends upon how >> she would view it I guess. >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Our list archives feature may be accessed at: > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// by scrolling down to > the archives calendar . Our links may be accessed at > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group//links . Our files > may be accessed at > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group//files . > Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D.(http://www.ocdawareness.com ), > Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D. > (http://massgeneral.org/pediatricpsych/staff/geller.html ),Aureen Pinto > Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). You may ask a question > of any of these mental health professionals by inserting the words " Ask > Dr.(insert name) " in the subject line of a post to the list. Our list > moderators are Castle, Judy Chabot, BJ Closner, and Barb Nesrallah. > Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list > administrator, at louisharkins@... . Our group and related groups > are listed at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ocdsupportgroups/links > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 My son also heard voices at one stage (when things were very bad for him) and he also " saw " bad things happening -- he thought he saw his father and me letting snakes out of cupboards to hurt him. At one stage, he also wasn't sure I was his mother but perhaps someone else who wanted to poison him. These symptoms have passed now but were very disturbing for him (and us). We were never quite sure if they seemed fully real to him, or if part of him knew they were just in his head. Abilify was a good medication for him perhaps because of the anti-psychotic properties it has. Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Its very scary, my son was put on rispradril (not sure of the speeling), which is also an anti-psychotic and thankfully hasn't had the voices since. Val Re: " voices " ? > My son also heard voices at one stage (when things were very bad for > him) and he also " saw " bad things happening -- he thought he saw his > father and me letting snakes out of cupboards to hurt him. At one > stage, he also wasn't sure I was his mother but perhaps someone else > who wanted to poison him. These symptoms have passed now but were > very disturbing for him (and us). We were never quite sure if they > seemed fully real to him, or if part of him knew they were just in > his head. Abilify was a good medication for him perhaps because of > the anti-psychotic properties it has. > Ali > > > ------------------------------------ > > Our list archives feature may be accessed at: > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// by scrolling down to > the archives calendar . Our links may be accessed at > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group//links . Our files > may be accessed at > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group//files . > Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D.(http://www.ocdawareness.com ), > Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D. > (http://massgeneral.org/pediatricpsych/staff/geller.html ),Aureen Pinto > Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). You may ask a question > of any of these mental health professionals by inserting the words " Ask > Dr.(insert name) " in the subject line of a post to the list. Our list > moderators are Castle, Judy Chabot, BJ Closner, and Barb Nesrallah. > Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list > administrator, at louisharkins@... . Our group and related groups > are listed at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ocdsupportgroups/links > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Do medicines sometimes make this worse instead of better? I ask because my son's nightmares seem to get more vivid from the medication and it's a bit hard for him to tell if they are real or not. > > My son has reported seeing some very horrific things also. I don't know if this is from his OCD thoughts, that he thinks are real or from the psychosis, or possibly, like I had mentioned earlier, his anxiety.He has been on Abilify for several months now too, and it seems to have gone away. > I hear people calling me often, but usually people with severe psychosis, hear several conversations going on in their heads at once, or report hearing a voice telling them to do awful things. > Hugs > Judy > > > > ________________________________ > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 3:46:58 PM > Subject: Re: " voices " ? > > > My son also heard voices at one stage (when things were very bad for > him) and he also " saw " bad things happening -- he thought he saw his > father and me letting snakes out of cupboards to hurt him. At one > stage, he also wasn't sure I was his mother but perhaps someone else > who wanted to poison him. These symptoms have passed now but were > very disturbing for him (and us). We were never quite sure if they > seemed fully real to him, or if part of him knew they were just in > his head. Abilify was a good medication for him perhaps because of > the anti-psychotic properties it has. > Ali > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 When I was wondering if Joei heard " voices " or had " thoughts " I was told that if it is external (outside of her head--hearing it the same way she hears sounds) they are voices. If it is internal in her head they are thoughts. I was also told it could possibly be the difference between OCD and psychosis. ~~Kathy Courage is not living without fear. Courage is being scared to death and doing the right thing anyway. -Chae ________________________________ To: Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 10:34:28 AM Subject: Re: " voices " ? I think that the " voices " come with the OCD. My youngest daughter, , told me she heard " voices " when she was seven but she was able to explain to me that the voices were " loud thoughts " that would not leave her alone. I think your explanation to your son was great. My oldest daughter, really does hallucinate. She has narcolepsy and sometimes people with this sleep disorder do see things right before they fall asleep or right as they wake up. We told Hannah for years that she was seeing things because of her OCD and she always told us she didn't think that was it. Turns out she was right Kelley in NV ************ **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol. com/?ncid= emlcntaolcom0000 0026) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 SSRI's (and I suppose some other meds too) can make dreams more vivid. I've read that often in other groups from people on them. > > Do medicines sometimes make this worse instead of better? I ask > because my son's nightmares seem to get more vivid from the medication > and it's a bit hard for him to tell if they are real or not. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Kathy, It's so hard to distinguish. How old is your dd again? Depending on their age and how well they can describe it really makes a difference. Hugs Judy ________________________________ To: Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 11:09:15 PM Subject: Re: " voices " ? When I was wondering if Joei heard " voices " or had " thoughts " I was told that if it is external (outside of her head--hearing it the same way she hears sounds) they are voices. If it is internal in her head they are thoughts. I was also told it could possibly be the difference between OCD and psychosis. ~~Kathy Courage is not living without fear. Courage is being scared to death and doing the right thing anyway. -Chae ____________ _________ _________ __ From: " kelleydinkins@ aol.com " <kelleydinkins@ aol.com> To: @ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 10:34:28 AM Subject: Re: " voices " ? I think that the " voices " come with the OCD. My youngest daughter, , told me she heard " voices " when she was seven but she was able to explain to me that the voices were " loud thoughts " that would not leave her alone. I think your explanation to your son was great. My oldest daughter, really does hallucinate. She has narcolepsy and sometimes people with this sleep disorder do see things right before they fall asleep or right as they wake up. We told Hannah for years that she was seeing things because of her OCD and she always told us she didn't think that was it. Turns out she was right Kelley in NV ************ **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol. com/?ncid= emlcntaolcom0000 0026) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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