Re: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! enhanced meat

[Guest guest]

Anything made by Hormel is processed meat, Shouldnt pay any attention to Hormel,

they dont got fresh food. thats all heart attack food.

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> > My public service announcement for the day: if you shop at Wal-Mart, you

> > might benefit from reading this

article<http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/09/dining/09well.html>from the NY Times.

Here's the condensed takeaway (

> > *bolded *points are mine):

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> > The Customer Wants a Juicy Steak? Just Add Water

> > By MARIAN BURROS

> > Published: August 9, 2006

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> > EACH day it's becoming less likely that the meat you buy in the supermarket

> > is just meat. After spending years breeding cattle, pigs and poultry to be

> > leaner, the food industry has been *injecting meat with water, salt and

> > chemicals *to replace the flavor and restore the tenderness that was lost

> > with the fat...

> > The increased use of enhancement, which can *quadruple the amount of

> > sodium in meat*, has coincided with calls by health professionals for the

> > food industry to reduce much of the sodium it adds to food...

> > *

> > Meats are naturally low in sodium.* But nutrition labels for enhanced meat

> > show that they can have as much as 540 milligrams of sodium in a four-ounce

> > portion...

> >

> > Along with salt and water, the process can add chemicals like sodium

> > phosphate, which helps the meat *retain the added water* when it is

> > cooked, and sodium lactate or potassium lactate to extend the shelf life by

> > inhibiting bacteria...

> >

> > The department *requires any meat product with added liquid to be clearly

> > labeled *with language such as " beef tenderloin with up to 15 percent

> > added solution'' or " boneless chicken breast with up to 20 percent of a

> > flavoring solution of water, spices, sugar and phosphates,'' said

> > Cohen, a spokesman for the agency. The label must also have a

> > nutrition-facts panel...

> >

> > *But the labeling I saw was in very small type and often in an obscure

> > place. The labels on some Cryovac packages of enhanced spareribs were in a

> > folded-over portion of the packaging. On some meat products it is not there

> > at all... *

> >

> > Many people have no choice about whether to eat enhanced meat. Custom-cut

> > meat is being rapidly replaced in supermarkets by case-ready meat, enhanced

> > and packaged by processors...

> >

> > *Wal-Mart, for example, says a majority of its fresh offerings are

> > enhanced with a 6 to 12 percent solution of water, salt, sodium phosphate

> > and natural flavorings.*

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[Guest guest]

Thank you, MsMith!Never again! Unfortunately, our other grocery stores don't have labels at all!So, I bought a very nice steak in WalMart yesterday, labeled 60 mg of sodium. To throw it away? :-) NataliaTo:

hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:36 AMSubject: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat

My public service announcement for the day: if you shop at Wal-Mart, you might benefit from reading this article from the NY Times. Here's the condensed takeaway (bolded points are mine):The Customer Wants a Juicy Steak? Just Add Water

By MARIAN BURROS

Published: August 9, 2006

EACH day it's becoming less likely that the meat you buy in the supermarket is just meat. After spending years breeding cattle, pigs and

poultry to be leaner, the food industry has been injecting meat with water, salt and chemicals to replace the flavor and restore the tenderness that was lost with the fat...The increased use of enhancement, which can quadruple the amount of sodium in meat, has coincided with calls by health professionals for the food industry to reduce much of the sodium it adds to food...Meats

are naturally low in sodium. But nutrition labels for enhanced meat show that they can have as much as 540 milligrams of sodium in a four-ounce portion...Along with salt and water, the process can add chemicals like sodium phosphate, which helps the meat retain the added water when it is cooked, and sodium lactate or

potassium lactate to extend the shelf life by inhibiting bacteria... The department requires any meat product with added liquid to be clearly labeled with language such as "beef tenderloin with up to 15 percent added solution'' or "boneless chicken breast with up to 20 percent of a flavoring solution of water, spices, sugar and phosphates,'' said

Cohen, a spokesman for the agency. The label must also have a nutrition-facts panel... But the labeling I saw was in very small type and often in an obscure place. The labels on some Cryovac packages of enhanced spareribs were in a folded-over portion of the packaging. On

some meat products it is not there at all... Many

people have no choice about whether to eat enhanced meat. Custom-cut meat is being rapidly replaced in supermarkets by case-ready meat, enhanced and packaged by processors... Wal-Mart, for example, says

a majority of its fresh offerings are enhanced with a 6 to 12 percent solution of water, salt, sodium phosphate and natural flavorings.

[Guest guest]

Or eat it in small pieces.CE Grim MD Thank you, MsMith!Never again! Unfortunately, our other grocery stores don't have labels at all!So, I bought a very nice steak in WalMart yesterday, labeled 60 mg of sodium. To throw it away? :-) NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:36 AMSubject: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat My public service announcement for the day: if you shop at Wal-Mart, you might benefit from reading this article from the NY Times. Here's the condensed takeaway (bolded points are mine):The Customer Wants a Juicy Steak? Just Add Water By MARIAN BURROS Published: August 9, 2006 EACH day it's becoming less likely that the meat you buy in the supermarket is just meat. After spending years breeding cattle, pigs and poultry to be leaner, the food industry has been injecting meat with water, salt and chemicals to replace the flavor and restore the tenderness that was lost with the fat...The increased use of enhancement, which can quadruple the amount of sodium in meat, has coincided with calls by health professionals for the food industry to reduce much of the sodium it adds to food...Meats are naturally low in sodium. But nutrition labels for enhanced meat show that they can have as much as 540 milligrams of sodium in a four-ounce portion...Along with salt and water, the process can add chemicals like sodium phosphate, which helps the meat retain the added water when it is cooked, and sodium lactate or potassium lactate to extend the shelf life by inhibiting bacteria... The department requires any meat product with added liquid to be clearly labeled with language such as "beef tenderloin with up to 15 percent added solution'' or "boneless chicken breast with up to 20 percent of a flavoring solution of water, spices, sugar and phosphates,'' said Cohen, a spokesman for the agency. The label must also have a nutrition-facts panel... But the labeling I saw was in very small type and often in an obscure place. The labels on some Cryovac packages of enhanced spareribs were in a folded-over portion of the packaging. On some meat products it is not there at all... Many people have no choice about whether to eat enhanced meat. Custom-cut meat is being rapidly replaced in supermarkets by case-ready meat, enhanced and packaged by processors... Wal-Mart, for example, says a majority of its fresh offerings are enhanced with a 6 to 12 percent solution of water, salt, sodium phosphate and natural flavorings.

[Guest guest]

Your best bet is to buy your meat, fish and poultry from a butcher counter, and

talk to the person selling it to you about how you absolutely, positively need

to make certain that it has not been " enhanced. "

Technically it's illegal for them to sell " enhanced " meat to you without

disclosing what it is enhanced with, but as is evidenced by the article I linked

to, the biggies like Wal-Mart can get away with just about anything.

It's been my experience that smaller, neighborhood businesses often have more

integrity and if the proprietors/employees see you as a regular, they'll treat

you as a person and not just a dollar bill.

As for the Wal-Mart steak - I'd return it, if I were you. And tell them exactly

why you are returning it.

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> Thank you, MsMith!

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> Never again! Unfortunately, our other grocery stores don't have labels at all!

>

> So, I bought a very nice steak in WalMart yesterday, labeled 60 mg of sodium.

To throw it away? :-) 

>

> Natalia

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> To: hyperaldosteronism

> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:36 AM

> Subject: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! " enhanced " meat

>

>

>  

> My public service announcement for the day: if you shop at Wal-Mart, you might

benefit from reading this article from the NY Times. Here's the condensed

takeaway (bolded points are mine):

>

>

> The Customer Wants a Juicy Steak? Just Add Water

> By MARIAN BURROS

> Published: August 9, 2006

>

>

> EACH day it's becoming less likely that the meat you buy in the

> supermarket is just meat. After spending years breeding cattle, pigs and

poultry to be leaner, the food industry has been injecting meat with

> water, salt and chemicals to replace the flavor and restore the

> tenderness that was lost with the fat...The increased use of

> enhancement, which can quadruple the amount of sodium in meat, has

> coincided with calls by health professionals for the food industry to

> reduce much of the sodium it adds to food...

>

> Meats

> are naturally low in sodium. But nutrition labels for enhanced meat

> show that they can have as much as 540 milligrams of sodium in a

> four-ounce portion...

>

> Along with salt and

> water, the process can add chemicals like sodium phosphate, which helps

> the meat retain the added water when it is cooked, and sodium lactate or

potassium lactate to extend the shelf life by inhibiting bacteria...

> The

> department requires any meat product with added liquid to be clearly

> labeled with language such as " beef tenderloin with up to 15 percent

> added solution'' or " boneless chicken breast with up to 20 percent of a

> flavoring solution of water, spices, sugar and phosphates,'' said

Cohen, a spokesman for the agency. The label must also have a

> nutrition-facts panel...

> But the labeling I saw was in very small

> type and often in an obscure place. The labels on some Cryovac packages

> of enhanced spareribs were in a folded-over portion of the packaging. On some

meat products it is not there at all...

> Many people have no choice about whether to eat enhanced meat. Custom-cut

> meat is being rapidly replaced in supermarkets by case-ready meat,

> enhanced and packaged by processors...

> Wal-Mart, for example, says a majority of its fresh offerings are enhanced

with a 6 to 12 percent

> solution of water, salt, sodium phosphate and natural flavorings.

>

[Guest guest]

Excellent advice. Thank you! If I boiled it at first, would it help too?To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:26 PMSubject: Re: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat

Or eat it in small pieces.CE Grim MD Thank you, MsMith!Never again! Unfortunately, our other grocery stores don't have labels at all!So, I bought a very nice steak in WalMart yesterday, labeled 60 mg of sodium. To throw it away?

:-) NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:36 AMSubject:

Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat My public service announcement for the day: if you shop at Wal-Mart, you might benefit from reading this article from the NY Times. Here's the condensed takeaway (bolded points are mine):The Customer Wants a Juicy Steak? Just Add Water By MARIAN BURROS Published: August 9, 2006 EACH day it's becoming less likely that the meat you buy in the supermarket is just meat. After spending years breeding cattle, pigs and poultry to be leaner, the food industry has been injecting meat with water, salt and chemicals to replace the flavor and restore the tenderness that was lost with

the fat...The increased use of enhancement, which can quadruple the amount of sodium in meat, has coincided with calls by health professionals for the food industry to reduce much of the sodium it adds to food...Meats are naturally low in sodium. But nutrition labels for enhanced meat show that they can have as much as 540 milligrams of sodium in a four-ounce portion...Along with salt and water, the process can add chemicals like sodium phosphate, which helps the meat retain the added water when it is cooked, and sodium lactate or potassium lactate to extend the shelf life by inhibiting bacteria... The department requires any meat product with added liquid to be clearly labeled with language such as "beef tenderloin with up to 15 percent added solution'' or "boneless chicken breast with up to 20 percent of a flavoring solution of water, spices, sugar and phosphates,'' said Cohen, a

spokesman for the agency. The label must also have a nutrition-facts panel... But the labeling I saw was in very small type and often in an obscure place. The labels on some Cryovac packages of enhanced spareribs were in a folded-over portion of the packaging. On some meat products it is not there at all... Many people have no choice about whether to eat enhanced meat. Custom-cut meat is being rapidly replaced in supermarkets by case-ready meat, enhanced and packaged by processors... Wal-Mart, for example, says a majority of its fresh offerings are enhanced with a 6 to 12 percent solution of water, salt, sodium phosphate and natural flavorings.

[Guest guest]

Might if you discard water it was boiled in.CE Grim MD Excellent advice. Thank you! If I boiled it at first, would it help too?To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:26 PMSubject: Re: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat Or eat it in small pieces.CE Grim MD Thank you, MsMith!Never again! Unfortunately, our other grocery stores don't have labels at all!So, I bought a very nice steak in WalMart yesterday, labeled 60 mg of sodium. To throw it away? :-) NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:36 AMSubject: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat My public service announcement for the day: if you shop at Wal-Mart, you might benefit from reading this article from the NY Times. Here's the condensed takeaway (bolded points are mine):The Customer Wants a Juicy Steak? Just Add Water By MARIAN BURROS Published: August 9, 2006 EACH day it's becoming less likely that the meat you buy in the supermarket is just meat. After spending years breeding cattle, pigs and poultry to be leaner, the food industry has been injecting meat with water, salt and chemicals to replace the flavor and restore the tenderness that was lost with the fat...The increased use of enhancement, which can quadruple the amount of sodium in meat, has coincided with calls by health professionals for the food industry to reduce much of the sodium it adds to food...Meats are naturally low in sodium. But nutrition labels for enhanced meat show that they can have as much as 540 milligrams of sodium in a four-ounce portion...Along with salt and water, the process can add chemicals like sodium phosphate, which helps the meat retain the added water when it is cooked, and sodium lactate or potassium lactate to extend the shelf life by inhibiting bacteria... The department requires any meat product with added liquid to be clearly labeled with language such as "beef tenderloin with up to 15 percent added solution'' or "boneless chicken breast with up to 20 percent of a flavoring solution of water, spices, sugar and phosphates,'' said Cohen, a spokesman for the agency. The label must also have a nutrition-facts panel... But the labeling I saw was in very small type and often in an obscure place. The labels on some Cryovac packages of enhanced spareribs were in a folded-over portion of the packaging. On some meat products it is not there at all... Many people have no choice about whether to eat enhanced meat. Custom-cut meat is being rapidly replaced in supermarkets by case-ready meat, enhanced and packaged by processors... Wal-Mart, for example, says a majority of its fresh offerings are enhanced with a 6 to 12 percent solution of water, salt, sodium phosphate and natural flavorings.

[Guest guest]

Every now and then my wife buys a cured ham (a lot less frequently than she used

to!) She bakes it with cloves inserted and a homade glaze, a real family

favorite BUT she always preboils and if it is exceptionnally salty she will

preboil twice! Makes so I can eat about hafl what I really want!

- 64 yo morb. ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank &

testicle pain. I have decided against an adrenalectomy at this time since

Meds. are working so well. Current BP(last week ave): 122/73

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2. and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Mirtazapine 15 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG,

81mg asprin, Metformin 2000MG and Spironolactone 50 MG.

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> >Thank you, MsMith!

> >

> >

> >Never again! Unfortunately, our other grocery stores don't have labels at

all!

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> >So, I bought a very nice steak in WalMart yesterday, labeled 60 mg of sodium.

To throw it away? :-) 

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> >Natalia

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> >To: hyperaldosteronism

> >Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:36 AM

> >Subject: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! " enhanced " meat

> >

> >

> > 

> >My public service announcement for the day: if you shop at Wal-Mart, you

might benefit from reading this article from the NY Times. Here's the condensed

takeaway (bolded points are mine):

> >

> >

> >The Customer Wants a Juicy Steak? Just Add Water

> >By MARIAN BURROS

> >Published: August 9, 2006

> >

> >

> >EACH day it's becoming less likely that the meat you buy in the supermarket

is just meat. After spending years breeding cattle, pigs and poultry to be

leaner, the food industry has been injecting meat with water, salt and chemicals

to replace the flavor and restore the tenderness that was lost with the

fat...The increased use of enhancement, which can quadruple the amount of sodium

in meat, has coincided with calls by health professionals for the food industry

to reduce much of the sodium it adds to food...

> >

> >Meats are naturally low in sodium. But nutrition labels for enhanced meat

show that they can have as much as 540 milligrams of sodium in a four-ounce

portion...

> >

> >Along with salt and water, the process can add chemicals like sodium

phosphate, which helps the meat retain the added water when it is cooked, and

sodium lactate or potassium lactate to extend the shelf life by inhibiting

bacteria...

> >The department requires any meat product with added liquid to be clearly

labeled with language such as " beef tenderloin with up to 15 percent added

solution'' or " boneless chicken breast with up to 20 percent of a flavoring

solution of water, spices, sugar and phosphates,'' said Cohen, a

spokesman for the agency. The label must also have a nutrition-facts panel...

> >But the labeling I saw was in very small type and often in an obscure place.

The labels on some Cryovac packages of enhanced spareribs were in a folded-over

portion of the packaging. On some meat products it is not there at all...

> >Many people have no choice about whether to eat enhanced meat. Custom-cut

meat is being rapidly replaced in supermarkets by case-ready meat, enhanced and

packaged by processors...

> >Wal-Mart, for example, says a majority of its fresh offerings are enhanced

with a 6 to 12 percent solution of water, salt, sodium phosphate and natural

flavorings.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I guess I'm missing something but what's wrong with 60 mg of sodium? All meat has about that much naturally-occurring sodium. Val So, I bought a very nice steak in WalMart yesterday, labeled 60 mg of sodium. To throw it away? :-) Natalia

[Guest guest]

Yes, you missed my previous posting about 65 mg of sodium in WalMart's cornish hen, that made me sick and msmith's postings with pointers to WalMart cheating with their labels and sometimes quadrupled the amount ofsodium. Unfortunately, in Pittsburgh, where I live, only WalMart has labels on their meat. Only Shop'N Save has labelson their cheese. All other supermarkets, including Giant Eagle, Whole Foods, Trader Joe's and, McGinnesSisters don't have any labels on meat, poultry and cheese products.NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:02 PMSubject: RE: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat

I guess I'm missing something but what's wrong with 60 mg of sodium? All meat has about that much naturally-occurring sodium. Val So, I bought a very nice steak in WalMart yesterday, labeled 60 mg of sodium. To throw it away? :-) Natalia

[Guest guest]

Please let us know what you find out! It would be good to be able to put

together a list of grocery stores that have non-infused meat options. So far

I've only got TJ's and Whole Foods, both of whom have been interrogated

extensively by me.

> > So, I bought a very nice steak in WalMart yesterday, labeled 60 mg of

sodium. To throw it away? :-) 

> >  

> > Natalia

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[Guest guest]

Then it was mislabeled.  65 mg is not awful.  That much occurs naturally in most meat and fish.  We have not found a single meat except ground buffalo at Walmart that was not infused with sodium. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva Yes, you missed my previous posting about 65 mg of sodium in WalMart's cornish hen, that made me sick and msmith's postings with pointers to WalMart cheating with their labels and sometimes quadrupled the amount ofsodium. Unfortunately, in Pittsburgh, where I live, only WalMart has labels on their meat. Only Shop'N Save has labelson their cheese. All other supermarkets, including Giant Eagle, Whole Foods, Trader Joe's and, McGinnesSisters don't have any labels on meat, poultry and cheese products. Natalia I guess I'm missing something but what's wrong with 60 mg of sodium? All meat has about that much naturally-occurring sodium. Val So, I bought a very nice steak in WalMart yesterday, labeled 60 mg of sodium. To throw it away? :-) Natalia

[Guest guest]

If you can't today, give yourself a month or so on low salt and you will be able

to!

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> You should be able to taste infused meat if you're eating a low-salt diet. I

certainly can, and cannot bear any infused meat.

>

> Val

>

> From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva

>

> This is problem! Can we trust WalMart labels or not?

>

> Natalia

>

[Guest guest]

In California we have Farms chickens, sold by Safeway and most major supermarkets. Farms advertises their chicken as having no added sodium. It's not "organic", but it is not sodium enhanced either.

You should be able to taste infused meat if you're eating a low-salt diet. I certainly can, and cannot bear any infused meat. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva This is problem! Can we trust WalMart labels or not? Natalia

[Guest guest]

Your body and BP will tell you.You bet your life.CE Grim MD I spoke to Giant Eagle manager and he swore that they don't have infused meat. They have a table with sodium content in every kind of meat, but it's hanged so highthat it's almost impossible to see. And they don't have labels on every package.Could we trust their table? To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:35 AMSubject: Re: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat Please let us know what you find out! It would be good to be able to put together a list of grocery stores that have non-infused meat options. So far I've only got TJ's and Whole Foods, both of whom have been interrogated extensively by me. > > So, I bought a very nice steak in WalMart yesterday, labeled 60 mg of sodium. To throw it away? :-) > >  > > Natalia > >  > >  > > >

[Guest guest]

Most who go on a low Na diet state that they become much more able to taste high salt in food.CE Grim MD You should be able to taste infused meat if you're eating a low-salt diet. I certainly can, and cannot bear any infused meat. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva This is problem! Can we trust WalMart labels or not? Natalia

[Guest guest]

I don't, but I feel terrible after that.To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:00 PMSubject: RE: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat

You should be able to taste infused meat if you're eating a low-salt diet. I certainly can, and cannot bear any infused meat. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva This is problem! Can we trust WalMart labels or not? Natalia

[Guest guest]

Yes, they do!!! But it's too late!!!! I would like to avoid this experience :-)To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:33 PMSubject: Re: Re: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat

Your body and BP will tell you.You bet your life.CE Grim MD I spoke to Giant Eagle manager and he swore that they don't have infused meat. They have a table with sodium content in every kind of meat, but it's hanged so highthat it's almost impossible to see. And they don't have labels on every package.Could we trust their table?

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:35 AMSubject: Re: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat Please let us know what you find out! It would be good to be able to put together a list of grocery stores that have non-infused meat options. So far I've only got TJ's and Whole Foods, both of whom have been interrogated extensively by me. > > So, I bought a very nice steak in WalMart yesterday, labeled 60 mg of sodium. To throw it away? :-) > >  > > Natalia > >  > >  > > >

[Guest guest]

I tried Amish chicken. They advertise them as " no hormones and antibiotics", but I could not eat them.They never said "no added sodium" and no labeled them. To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:57 PMSubject: Re:

Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat

In California we have Farms chickens, sold by Safeway and most major supermarkets. Farms advertises their chicken as having no added sodium. It's not "organic", but it is not sodium enhanced either.

You should be able to taste infused meat if you're eating a low-salt diet. I certainly can, and cannot bear any infused meat. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva This is problem! Can we trust WalMart labels or not? Natalia

[Guest guest]

Are you sure it was salt that caused the problem? Could the meat been starting

to spoil? 2 days may be an indicator of food poison, as I remember you said you

felt terrible for 2 days and we all jumped on the salt bandwagon. Just thinking

out loud!

- 64 yo morb. ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank &

testicle pain. I have decided against an adrenalectomy at this time since

Meds. are working so well. Current BP(last week ave): 122/73

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2. and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Mirtazapine 15 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG,

81mg asprin, Metformin 2000MG and Spironolactone 50 MG.

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> I don't, but I feel terrible after that.

>

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> ________________________________

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> To: hyperaldosteronism

> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:00 PM

> Subject: RE: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! " enhanced " meat

>

>

>  

> You should be able to taste infused meat if you're eating a low-salt diet.  I

certainly can, and cannot bear any infused meat.

>  

> Val

>  

> From:hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva

>  

> This is  problem! Can we trust WalMart labels or not?

>  

> Natalia

>  

>

[Guest guest]

I know nothing about Amish chicken (not too many Amish out here in CA!) but the

first thing I wondered is if it's anything like kosher chicken? Kosher chicken

is processed with a ton of salt.

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> >You should be able to taste infused meat if you're eating a low-salt diet. 

I certainly can, and cannot bear any infused meat.

> > 

> >Val

> > 

> >From:hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva

> > 

> >This is  problem! Can we trust WalMart labels or not?

> > 

> >Natalia

> > 

>

[Guest guest]

I am sure it was not spoiled. The BP is a good indicator. And it happened not once, but EVERY time, when I ate meat. It might be no salt but other hormones, that I react to, but I tried "no hormones" meat and could not eat it either. I found one type of ground turkey in Aldi, that labeled with 35 mg of sodium and I can eat it. The first terrible episode with BP 240/145, when I was partially paralyzed, happened in France where I ate much more meat and seafood, than I usually eat at home. NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:50 PMSubject: Re: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat

Are you sure it was salt that caused the problem? Could the meat been starting to spoil? 2 days may be an indicator of food poison, as I remember you said you felt terrible for 2 days and we all jumped on the salt bandwagon. Just thinking out loud!

- 64 yo morb. ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank & testicle pain. I have decided against an adrenalectomy at this time since Meds. are working so well. Current BP(last week ave): 122/73

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2. and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Mirtazapine 15 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg asprin, Metformin 2000MG and Spironolactone 50 MG.

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> I don't, but I feel terrible after that.

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> ________________________________

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> To: hyperaldosteronism

> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:00 PM

> Subject: RE: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat

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That's what I suspect too. No antibiotics mean that they need to preserve it somehow. To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:58 PMSubject: Re: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat

I know nothing about Amish chicken (not too many Amish out here in CA!) but the first thing I wondered is if it's anything like kosher chicken? Kosher chicken is processed with a ton of salt.

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Antibiotics would have nothing to do with perserving a dead chicken. There a

basically two kinds of feed, medicated and nonmedicated. Some growers use

medicated to insure the chickens don't get an intestinal mite. Some

distributors also feed newly hatched chicks a dose of medicine, the name excapes

me tonight, when they arrive. If I had to guess, I would think most large scale

growers probably use medicated food because there is little if any difference in

price. My understanding is that if it gets into your flock it can wipe it out

quite quickly. (I use a capfull of vinegar in their water, which serves the

same purpose but since large producers use automatic waters that would be

difficult.)

- 64 yo morb. ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank &

testicle pain. I have decided against an adrenalectomy at this time since

Meds. are working so well. Current BP(last week ave): 122/73

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2. and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Mirtazapine 15 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG,

81mg asprin, Metformin 2000MG and Spironolactone 50 MG.

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The what you do is to not repeat it. Like the old Dr. Joke. Pt: it hurts when I do this.Dr: then don't do that.Still good judgment.CE Grim MD Yes, they do!!! But it's too late!!!! I would like to avoid this experience :-)To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:33 PMSubject: Re: Re: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat Your body and BP will tell you.You bet your life.CE Grim MD I spoke to Giant Eagle manager and he swore that they don't have infused meat. They have a table with sodium content in every kind of meat, but it's hanged so highthat it's almost impossible to see. And they don't have labels on every package.Could we trust their table? To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:35 AMSubject: Re: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat Please let us know what you find out! It would be good to be able to put together a list of grocery stores that have non-infused meat options. So far I've only got TJ's and Whole Foods, both of whom have been interrogated extensively by me. > > So, I bought a very nice steak in WalMart yesterday, labeled 60 mg of sodium. To throw it away? :-) > >  > > Natalia > >  > >  > > >

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in France most likely due to sodium.CE Grim MD I am sure it was not spoiled. The BP is a good indicator. And it happened not once, but EVERY time, when I ate meat. It might be no salt but other hormones, that I react to, but I tried "no hormones" meat and could not eat it either. I found one type of ground turkey in Aldi, that labeled with 35 mg of sodium and I can eat it. The first terrible episode with BP 240/145, when I was partially paralyzed, happened in France where I ate much more meat and seafood, than I usually eat at home. NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:50 PMSubject: Re: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat Are you sure it was salt that caused the problem? Could the meat been starting to spoil? 2 days may be an indicator of food poison, as I remember you said you felt terrible for 2 days and we all jumped on the salt bandwagon. Just thinking out loud! - 64 yo morb. ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank & testicle pain. I have decided against an adrenalectomy at this time since Meds. are working so well. Current BP(last week ave): 122/73 Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2. and PTSD. Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Mirtazapine 15 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg asprin, Metformin 2000MG and Spironolactone 50 MG. > > I don't, but I feel terrible after that. > > > > ________________________________ > > To: hyperaldosteronism > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:00 PM > Subject: RE: Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! "enhanced" meat > > >  > You should be able to taste infused meat if you're eating a low-salt diet. I certainly can, and cannot bear any infused meat. >  > Val >  > From:hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva >  > This is problem! Can we trust WalMart labels or not? >  > Natalia >  >