Re: Time to rethink how to move forward with this group.

October 10, 2011

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PMSubject: Re: Time to rethink how to move forward with this group.

That leaves out most of us; statistically only 16% of computer users are on Macs.

The only solution for the rest of us is, as others have said, to store our thumbnail in an external doc and paste as needed. Not a big deal; like others have noted I include mine when I feel it's relevant, and skip it when I feel it's not.

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> > > > > > > > First I can understand Dr Grim's need to keep track of

> > whats what on this sight. In some ways the thumbnail can be the

> > thing to do. How ever not all want to put there medical history out

> > there. While I for one have no problem with this I do know from

> > posting so information about my weight I got what I thought was a

> > distressful remark for all over weight people. I Also think some

> > that ask questions do not like it when we ask them to provide the

> > meds and labs as they do not give this information.

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> > > > > > > > If it it now going to be Dr Grim's policy to not answer

> > questiuns unless there is a thumbnail then thes nees to apply to

> > every one so if some like Val ask questions she needs to have a

> > thumbnail for Dr Grim to reply to it.

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> > > > > > > > Also if this is to be the policy it needs to be added to

> > home page of group site. This way all that want to join group will

> > know they need to supply one or if they do not want to give out part

> > on the medical history then decide to not join group.

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> > > > > > > > We need to remember this is a world wide group and not

> > post any thing that may be hurtful to any one. Have see some of this

> > in past few weeks. This also needs to be on home page with a warning

> > as to how to deal with it.

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October 10, 2011

Apple - MobileMe - Set up MobileMe Mail with Windows Mail.Step-by-step instructions show you how to set up MobileMe Mail with Windows Mailon your PC running Windows Vista.www.apple.com/mobileme/setup/pc/windowsmail.html But do not know if you get the power of the Mac.CE Grim MD That leaves out most of us; statistically only 16% of computer users are on Macs. The only solution for the rest of us is, as others have said, to store our thumbnail in an external doc and paste as needed. Not a big deal; like others have noted I include mine when I feel it's relevant, and skip it when I feel it's not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First I can understand Dr Grim's need to keep track of > > whats what on this sight. In some ways the thumbnail can be the > > thing to do. How ever not all want to put there medical history out > > there. While I for one have no problem with this I do know from > > posting so information about my weight I got what I thought was a > > distressful remark for all over weight people. I Also think some > > that ask questions do not like it when we ask them to provide the > > meds and labs as they do not give this information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it it now going to be Dr Grim's policy to not answer > > questiuns unless there is a thumbnail then thes nees to apply to > > every one so if some like Val ask questions she needs to have a > > thumbnail for Dr Grim to reply to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also if this is to be the policy it needs to be added to > > home page of group site. This way all that want to join group will > > know they need to supply one or if they do not want to give out part > > on the medical history then decide to not join group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We need to remember this is a world wide group and not > > post any thing that may be hurtful to any one. Have see some of this > > in past few weeks. This also needs to be on home page with a warning > > as to how to deal with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

October 10, 2011

If I am not mistaken even lowly PCs can do mac mail but not my area of expertise.Seems like I am seeing a lot more Macs in airports than I used to.I would include iPhones, iPods, iPads as others who can use macmail. But i have not figured out how to have several signatures to choose form on my iPhone mail. Must be a way.Macs rule!CE Grim MD That leaves out most of us; statistically only 16% of computer users are on Macs. The only solution for the rest of us is, as others have said, to store our thumbnail in an external doc and paste as needed. Not a big deal; like others have noted I include mine when I feel it's relevant, and skip it when I feel it's not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First I can understand Dr Grim's need to keep track of > > whats what on this sight. In some ways the thumbnail can be the > > thing to do. How ever not all want to put there medical history out > > there. While I for one have no problem with this I do know from > > posting so information about my weight I got what I thought was a > > distressful remark for all over weight people. I Also think some > > that ask questions do not like it when we ask them to provide the > > meds and labs as they do not give this information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it it now going to be Dr Grim's policy to not answer > > questiuns unless there is a thumbnail then thes nees to apply to > > every one so if some like Val ask questions she needs to have a > > thumbnail for Dr Grim to reply to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also if this is to be the policy it needs to be added to > > home page of group site. This way all that want to join group will > > know they need to supply one or if they do not want to give out part > > on the medical history then decide to not join group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We need to remember this is a world wide group and not > > post any thing that may be hurtful to any one. Have see some of this > > in past few weeks. This also needs to be on home page with a warning > > as to how to deal with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

October 10, 2011

I think you are right that there are more macs out there. there is still one

problem with Mac there are some web sites that will still not accept any browser

then Internet Explorer. Isn't mac mail a pay for email account?

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> > > > > > > > > > First I can understand Dr Grim's need to keep track of

> > > > whats what on this sight. In some ways the thumbnail can be the

> > > > thing to do. How ever not all want to put there medical history

> > out

> > > > there. While I for one have no problem with this I do know from

> > > > posting so information about my weight I got what I thought was a

> > > > distressful remark for all over weight people. I Also think some

> > > > that ask questions do not like it when we ask them to provide the

> > > > meds and labs as they do not give this information.

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> > > > > > > > > > If it it now going to be Dr Grim's policy to not

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> > > > questiuns unless there is a thumbnail then thes nees to apply to

> > > > every one so if some like Val ask questions she needs to have a

> > > > thumbnail for Dr Grim to reply to it.

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> > > > > > > > > > Also if this is to be the policy it needs to be

> > added to

> > > > home page of group site. This way all that want to join group will

> > > > know they need to supply one or if they do not want to give out

> > part

> > > > on the medical history then decide to not join group.

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> > > > > > > > > > We need to remember this is a world wide group and not

> > > > post any thing that may be hurtful to any one. Have see some of

> > this

> > > > in past few weeks. This also needs to be on home page with a

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October 10, 2011

This is what I do. Can seen see first line of reply and if yoy don't thing it

applys to you can just skip it.

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> > >> > > > > > > > First I can understand Dr Grim's need to keep track of

> > >> > whats what on this sight. In some ways the thumbnail can be the

> > >> > thing to do. How ever not all want to put there medical history out

> > >> > there. While I for one have no problem with this I do know from

> > >> > posting so information about my weight I got what I thought was a

> > >> > distressful remark for all over weight people. I Also think some

> > >> > that ask questions do not like it when we ask them to provide the

> > >> > meds and labs as they do not give this information.

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> > >> > > > > > > > If it it now going to be Dr Grim's policy to not answer

> > >> > questiuns unless there is a thumbnail then thes nees to apply to

> > >> > every one so if some like Val ask questions she needs to have a

> > >> > thumbnail for Dr Grim to reply to it.

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> > >> > > > > > > > Also if this is to be the policy it needs to be added to

> > >> > home page of group site. This way all that want to join group will

> > >> > know they need to supply one or if they do not want to give out part

> > >> > on the medical history then decide to not join group.

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> > >> > > > > > > > We need to remember this is a world wide group and not

> > >> > post any thing that may be hurtful to any one. Have see some of this

> > >> > in past few weeks. This also needs to be on home page with a warning

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October 10, 2011

Depending on needs LENUX may work for you. Apple OS X is a LENUX based system.

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> > > > > > > > > > > First I can understand Dr Grim's need to keep track of

> > > > > whats what on this sight. In some ways the thumbnail can be the

> > > > > thing to do. How ever not all want to put there medical history

> > > out

> > > > > there. While I for one have no problem with this I do know from

> > > > > posting so information about my weight I got what I thought was a

> > > > > distressful remark for all over weight people. I Also think some

> > > > > that ask questions do not like it when we ask them to provide the

> > > > > meds and labs as they do not give this information.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If it it now going to be Dr Grim's policy to not

> > > answer

> > > > > questiuns unless there is a thumbnail then thes nees to apply to

> > > > > every one so if some like Val ask questions she needs to have a

> > > > > thumbnail for Dr Grim to reply to it.

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> > > > > > > > > > > Also if this is to be the policy it needs to be

> > > added to

> > > > > home page of group site. This way all that want to join group will

> > > > > know they need to supply one or if they do not want to give out

> > > part

> > > > > on the medical history then decide to not join group.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > We need to remember this is a world wide group and not

> > > > > post any thing that may be hurtful to any one. Have see some of

> > > this

> > > > > in past few weeks. This also needs to be on home page with a

> > > warning

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October 10, 2011

I've considered Linux but some of the stuff I need to run for work would have

compatibility issues - I'd probably have to do my own troubleshooting tech

support, which doesn't really interest me.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > First I can understand Dr Grim's need to keep track of

> > > > > > whats what on this sight. In some ways the thumbnail can be the

> > > > > > thing to do. How ever not all want to put there medical history

> > > > out

> > > > > > there. While I for one have no problem with this I do know from

> > > > > > posting so information about my weight I got what I thought was a

> > > > > > distressful remark for all over weight people. I Also think some

> > > > > > that ask questions do not like it when we ask them to provide the

> > > > > > meds and labs as they do not give this information.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > If it it now going to be Dr Grim's policy to not

> > > > answer

> > > > > > questiuns unless there is a thumbnail then thes nees to apply to

> > > > > > every one so if some like Val ask questions she needs to have a

> > > > > > thumbnail for Dr Grim to reply to it.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Also if this is to be the policy it needs to be

> > > > added to

> > > > > > home page of group site. This way all that want to join group will

> > > > > > know they need to supply one or if they do not want to give out

> > > > part

> > > > > > on the medical history then decide to not join group.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > We need to remember this is a world wide group and not

> > > > > > post any thing that may be hurtful to any one. Have see some of

> > > > this

> > > > > > in past few weeks. This also needs to be on home page with a

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October 10, 2011

Let's not get political or I will explain how we in the real world came to be on

a windows platform! (Back then there was a work computer and a play

comporwhateverinhellitwas!) An Apple, with a bite out of it, who would want

one? (But times have changed and I may too after I figure out how to live long

enough!)

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> > > > > > > > > > First I can understand Dr Grim's need to keep track of

> > > > whats what on this sight. In some ways the thumbnail can be the

> > > > thing to do. How ever not all want to put there medical history

> > out

> > > > there. While I for one have no problem with this I do know from

> > > > posting so information about my weight I got what I thought was a

> > > > distressful remark for all over weight people. I Also think some

> > > > that ask questions do not like it when we ask them to provide the

> > > > meds and labs as they do not give this information.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If it it now going to be Dr Grim's policy to not

> > answer

> > > > questiuns unless there is a thumbnail then thes nees to apply to

> > > > every one so if some like Val ask questions she needs to have a

> > > > thumbnail for Dr Grim to reply to it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Also if this is to be the policy it needs to be

> > added to

> > > > home page of group site. This way all that want to join group will

> > > > know they need to supply one or if they do not want to give out

> > part

> > > > on the medical history then decide to not join group.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > We need to remember this is a world wide group and not

> > > > post any thing that may be hurtful to any one. Have see some of

> > this

> > > > in past few weeks. This also needs to be on home page with a

> > warning

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October 10, 2011

You are right about support you have to do your own.

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> > > > > > > whats what on this sight. In some ways the thumbnail can be the

> > > > > > > thing to do. How ever not all want to put there medical history

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > there. While I for one have no problem with this I do know from

> > > > > > > posting so information about my weight I got what I thought was a

> > > > > > > distressful remark for all over weight people. I Also think some

> > > > > > > that ask questions do not like it when we ask them to provide the

> > > > > > > meds and labs as they do not give this information.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If it it now going to be Dr Grim's policy to not

> > > > > answer

> > > > > > > questiuns unless there is a thumbnail then thes nees to apply to

> > > > > > > every one so if some like Val ask questions she needs to have a

> > > > > > > thumbnail for Dr Grim to reply to it.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also if this is to be the policy it needs to be

> > > > > added to

> > > > > > > home page of group site. This way all that want to join group will

> > > > > > > know they need to supply one or if they do not want to give out

> > > > > part

> > > > > > > on the medical history then decide to not join group.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We need to remember this is a world wide group and not

> > > > > > > post any thing that may be hurtful to any one. Have see some of

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > in past few weeks. This also needs to be on home page with a

> > > > > warning

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October 10, 2011

Good old , Dell is where we went when we threw IBM out.

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> > > > > > > > > > > First I can understand Dr Grim's need to keep track of

> > > > > whats what on this sight. In some ways the thumbnail can be the

> > > > > thing to do. How ever not all want to put there medical history

> > > out

> > > > > there. While I for one have no problem with this I do know from

> > > > > posting so information about my weight I got what I thought was a

> > > > > distressful remark for all over weight people. I Also think some

> > > > > that ask questions do not like it when we ask them to provide the

> > > > > meds and labs as they do not give this information.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If it it now going to be Dr Grim's policy to not

> > > answer

> > > > > questiuns unless there is a thumbnail then thes nees to apply to

> > > > > every one so if some like Val ask questions she needs to have a

> > > > > thumbnail for Dr Grim to reply to it.

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> > > > > > > > > > > Also if this is to be the policy it needs to be

> > > added to

> > > > > home page of group site. This way all that want to join group will

> > > > > know they need to supply one or if they do not want to give out

> > > part

> > > > > on the medical history then decide to not join group.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > We need to remember this is a world wide group and not

> > > > > post any thing that may be hurtful to any one. Have see some of

> > > this

> > > > > in past few weeks. This also needs to be on home page with a

> > > warning

> > > > > as to how to deal with it.

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October 10, 2011

But now you might throw out as dell is now a very cheep computer.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > First I can understand Dr Grim's need to keep track of

> > > > > > whats what on this sight. In some ways the thumbnail can be the

> > > > > > thing to do. How ever not all want to put there medical history

> > > > out

> > > > > > there. While I for one have no problem with this I do know from

> > > > > > posting so information about my weight I got what I thought was a

> > > > > > distressful remark for all over weight people. I Also think some

> > > > > > that ask questions do not like it when we ask them to provide the

> > > > > > meds and labs as they do not give this information.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > If it it now going to be Dr Grim's policy to not

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> > > > > > questiuns unless there is a thumbnail then thes nees to apply to

> > > > > > every one so if some like Val ask questions she needs to have a

> > > > > > thumbnail for Dr Grim to reply to it.

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> > > > added to

> > > > > > home page of group site. This way all that want to join group will

> > > > > > know they need to supply one or if they do not want to give out

> > > > part

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> > > > > > post any thing that may be hurtful to any one. Have see some of

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October 10, 2011

There has been some research posted about the failure of surgery many years later. If you have one adenoma, you could very well develop another on the other adrenal. That's why Dr. Grim recommends DASH, meds first and surgery last. I don't want opinions; I want facts supported by research, or at least by expert opinion. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of hesterfenwickMaybe it is about how to find the discussions because searching thtough old discussions is nigh-on impossible by thread title. But I never had any response to my 'pros and cons' question beyond being told DASH and meds was the way to go - despite pressing and pressing for the equivalent analysis on surgery. And in the year since then I've seen very little support for surgery. Now in my case (under 40, clear adenoma, BP controlled my minimal meds, PA short term) it was a no-brainer according to all the other research I could lay my hands on. When I got no response on here to surgery questions, I did trawl through Pub Med and every other piece of research I could find - but it would have been lovely to have been able to speed that up by getting some facts on here to begin with. And I'm guessing that's what many others do - they come on here as a first port of call but then move on to doing their own fundamental research or go with their medical teams advice and never come back.It's great, fantastic, that so many of you are fervent supporters of DASH and meds. Really - I absolutely mean that. But that doesn't mean there isn't ever a case for surgery. Now I'll do my best to be equally fervent in support of surgery when I think somebody has a case for it - that's why I'm still here. Because that's how it's all going to work, imho. But I'm not a medic and I won't be up to date with the latest research so I'll never carry as much weight as many of you. So hopefully there will be others around giving an alternative view-point too. And if that isn't welcome then there should be something in the intro about this being a forum for supporting Conn's sufferers through diet and meds rather than it being a general PA support site.H

October 10, 2011

It wasn't the price, it was the consistency. IBM would change a chip that most

users wouldn't notice and would work 99% of the time. We would hit that 1% once

in a while and then have to trouble shoot at the chipset level! With computers

all over the US that was a situation we weren't willing to accept! Today I

believe they offer support at the application level and users can run it on

whatever they choose (within reason) Remember, I retired in 1997 and technology

has changed a little since then!

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > First I can understand Dr Grim's need to keep track of

> > > > > > > whats what on this sight. In some ways the thumbnail can be the

> > > > > > > thing to do. How ever not all want to put there medical history

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > there. While I for one have no problem with this I do know from

> > > > > > > posting so information about my weight I got what I thought was a

> > > > > > > distressful remark for all over weight people. I Also think some

> > > > > > > that ask questions do not like it when we ask them to provide the

> > > > > > > meds and labs as they do not give this information.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > If it it now going to be Dr Grim's policy to not

> > > > > answer

> > > > > > > questiuns unless there is a thumbnail then thes nees to apply to

> > > > > > > every one so if some like Val ask questions she needs to have a

> > > > > > > thumbnail for Dr Grim to reply to it.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also if this is to be the policy it needs to be

> > > > > added to

> > > > > > > home page of group site. This way all that want to join group will

> > > > > > > know they need to supply one or if they do not want to give out

> > > > > part

> > > > > > > on the medical history then decide to not join group.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > We need to remember this is a world wide group and not

> > > > > > > post any thing that may be hurtful to any one. Have see some of

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > in past few weeks. This also needs to be on home page with a

> > > > > warning

> > > > > > > as to how to deal with it.

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It is not the price that is cheep about Dell Computer repair places love them.

The first AMD processers didn't network well.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > First I can understand Dr Grim's need to keep track

of

> > > > > > > > whats what on this sight. In some ways the thumbnail can be the

> > > > > > > > thing to do. How ever not all want to put there medical history

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > there. While I for one have no problem with this I do know from

> > > > > > > > posting so information about my weight I got what I thought was

a

> > > > > > > > distressful remark for all over weight people. I Also think some

> > > > > > > > that ask questions do not like it when we ask them to provide

the

> > > > > > > > meds and labs as they do not give this information.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it it now going to be Dr Grim's policy to not

> > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > questiuns unless there is a thumbnail then thes nees to apply to

> > > > > > > > every one so if some like Val ask questions she needs to have a

> > > > > > > > thumbnail for Dr Grim to reply to it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also if this is to be the policy it needs to be

> > > > > > added to

> > > > > > > > home page of group site. This way all that want to join group

will

> > > > > > > > know they need to supply one or if they do not want to give out

> > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > on the medical history then decide to not join group.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We need to remember this is a world wide group and

not

> > > > > > > > post any thing that may be hurtful to any one. Have see some of

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > in past few weeks. This also needs to be on home page with a

> > > > > > warning

> > > > > > > > as to how to deal with it.

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Val, Hope you didn't miss my post, msg 36532. I've seen many of these names

before: Laboratory Investigation of Primary Aldosteronism

Stowasser,* J , Pimenta, Ashraf H Al-Asaly Ahmed, and

D Gordon

Looks like it brings us up to 2010!

- 65 yo morb. ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank

pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 125/73

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Mirtazapine 7.5 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG,

81mg asprin, Metformin 2000MG and Spironolactone 50 MG.

>

> There has been some research posted about the failure of surgery many years

> later. If you have one adenoma, you could very well develop another on the

> other adrenal. That's why Dr. Grim recommends DASH, meds first and surgery

> last. I don't want opinions; I want facts supported by research, or at

> least by expert opinion.

>

> Val

>

> From: hyperaldosteronism

> [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of hesterfenwick

>

> Maybe it is about how to find the discussions because searching thtough old

> discussions is nigh-on impossible by thread title. But I never had any

> response to my 'pros and cons' question beyond being told DASH and meds was

> the way to go - despite pressing and pressing for the equivalent analysis on

> surgery. And in the year since then I've seen very little support for

> surgery. Now in my case (under 40, clear adenoma, BP controlled my minimal

> meds, PA short term) it was a no-brainer according to all the other research

> I could lay my hands on.

>

> When I got no response on here to surgery questions, I did trawl through Pub

> Med and every other piece of research I could find - but it would have been

> lovely to have been able to speed that up by getting some facts on here to

> begin with. And I'm guessing that's what many others do - they come on here

> as a first port of call but then move on to doing their own fundamental

> research or go with their medical teams advice and never come back.

>

> It's great, fantastic, that so many of you are fervent supporters of DASH

> and meds. Really - I absolutely mean that. But that doesn't mean there isn't

> ever a case for surgery. Now I'll do my best to be equally fervent in

> support of surgery when I think somebody has a case for it - that's why I'm

> still here. Because that's how it's all going to work, imho. But I'm not a

> medic and I won't be up to date with the latest research so I'll never carry

> as much weight as many of you. So hopefully there will be others around

> giving an alternative view-point too. And if that isn't welcome then there

> should be something in the intro about this being a forum for supporting

> Conn's sufferers through diet and meds rather than it being a general PA

> support site.

>

> H

>

October 10, 2011

Can't respond to problems in the last 14 years. I do know that the Inspiron

portable down stairs still works and rode beside me many miles on the bus as I

travelled the US (I figure 3/4 million miles!) Its mapping program was my GPS!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First I can understand Dr Grim's need to keep

track of

> > > > > > > > > whats what on this sight. In some ways the thumbnail can be

the

> > > > > > > > > thing to do. How ever not all want to put there medical

history

> > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > there. While I for one have no problem with this I do know

from

> > > > > > > > > posting so information about my weight I got what I thought

was a

> > > > > > > > > distressful remark for all over weight people. I Also think

some

> > > > > > > > > that ask questions do not like it when we ask them to provide

the

> > > > > > > > > meds and labs as they do not give this information.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it it now going to be Dr Grim's policy to not

> > > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > > questiuns unless there is a thumbnail then thes nees to apply

to

> > > > > > > > > every one so if some like Val ask questions she needs to have

a

> > > > > > > > > thumbnail for Dr Grim to reply to it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also if this is to be the policy it needs to be

> > > > > > > added to

> > > > > > > > > home page of group site. This way all that want to join group

will

> > > > > > > > > know they need to supply one or if they do not want to give

out

> > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > on the medical history then decide to not join group.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We need to remember this is a world wide group and

not

> > > > > > > > > post any thing that may be hurtful to any one. Have see some

of

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > in past few weeks. This also needs to be on home page with a

> > > > > > > warning

> > > > > > > > > as to how to deal with it.

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Or, in my view/experience, most likely already have problems on both sides but one dominates all the others for reasons we don't understand. I can discuss the case FOR surgery very well when it is indicated.CE Grim MD There has been some research posted about the failure of surgery many years later. If you have one adenoma, you could very well develop another on the other adrenal. That's why Dr. Grim recommends DASH, meds first and surgery last. I don't want opinions; I want facts supported by research, or at least by expert opinion. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of hesterfenwickMaybe it is about how to find the discussions because searching thtough old discussions is nigh-on impossible by thread title. But I never had any response to my 'pros and cons' question beyond being told DASH and meds was the way to go - despite pressing and pressing for the equivalent analysis on surgery. And in the year since then I've seen very little support for surgery. Now in my case (under 40, clear adenoma, BP controlled my minimal meds, PA short term) it was a no-brainer according to all the other research I could lay my hands on. When I got no response on here to surgery questions, I did trawl through Pub Med and every other piece of research I could find - but it would have been lovely to have been able to speed that up by getting some facts on here to begin with. And I'm guessing that's what many others do - they come on here as a first port of call but then move on to doing their own fundamental research or go with their medical teams advice and never come back.It's great, fantastic, that so many of you are fervent supporters of DASH and meds. Really - I absolutely mean that. But that doesn't mean there isn't ever a case for surgery. Now I'll do my best to be equally fervent in support of surgery when I think somebody has a case for it - that's why I'm still here. Because that's how it's all going to work, imho. But I'm not a medic and I won't be up to date with the latest research so I'll never carry as much weight as many of you. So hopefully there will be others around giving an alternative view-point too. And if that isn't welcome then there should be something in the intro about this being a forum for supporting Conn's sufferers through diet and meds rather than it being a general PA support site.H

October 10, 2011

Problem started when Walmart started selling them.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First I can understand Dr Grim's need to keep

track of

> > > > > > > > > > whats what on this sight. In some ways the thumbnail can be

the

> > > > > > > > > > thing to do. How ever not all want to put there medical

history

> > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > there. While I for one have no problem with this I do know

from

> > > > > > > > > > posting so information about my weight I got what I thought

was a

> > > > > > > > > > distressful remark for all over weight people. I Also think

some

> > > > > > > > > > that ask questions do not like it when we ask them to

provide the

> > > > > > > > > > meds and labs as they do not give this information.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it it now going to be Dr Grim's policy to not

> > > > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > > > questiuns unless there is a thumbnail then thes nees to

apply to

> > > > > > > > > > every one so if some like Val ask questions she needs to

have a

> > > > > > > > > > thumbnail for Dr Grim to reply to it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also if this is to be the policy it needs to be

> > > > > > > > added to

> > > > > > > > > > home page of group site. This way all that want to join

group will

> > > > > > > > > > know they need to supply one or if they do not want to give

out

> > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > on the medical history then decide to not join group.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We need to remember this is a world wide group

and not

> > > > > > > > > > post any thing that may be hurtful to any one. Have see some

of

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > in past few weeks. This also needs to be on home page with a

> > > > > > > > warning

> > > > > > > > > > as to how to deal with it.

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Guess I did not mention that when I was the Australian Heart Foundation's Visiting fellow 1993-4 I gave my talk on the evolution of PA to Dr.Gordon's group in Brisbane. They were skeptical.Seem to be moving in my direction now.CE Grim MD Val, Hope you didn't miss my post, msg 36532. I've seen many of these names before: Laboratory Investigation of Primary Aldosteronism Stowasser,* J , Pimenta, Ashraf H Al-Asaly Ahmed, and D Gordon Looks like it brings us up to 2010! - 65 yo morb. ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 125/73 Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD. Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Mirtazapine 7.5 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg asprin, Metformin 2000MG and Spironolactone 50 MG. > > There has been some research posted about the failure of surgery many years > later. If you have one adenoma, you could very well develop another on the > other adrenal. That's why Dr. Grim recommends DASH, meds first and surgery > last. I don't want opinions; I want facts supported by research, or at > least by expert opinion. > > Val > > From: hyperaldosteronism > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of hesterfenwick > > > Maybe it is about how to find the discussions because searching thtough old > discussions is nigh-on impossible by thread title. But I never had any > response to my 'pros and cons' question beyond being told DASH and meds was > the way to go - despite pressing and pressing for the equivalent analysis on > surgery. And in the year since then I've seen very little support for > surgery. Now in my case (under 40, clear adenoma, BP controlled my minimal > meds, PA short term) it was a no-brainer according to all the other research > I could lay my hands on. > > When I got no response on here to surgery questions, I did trawl through Pub > Med and every other piece of research I could find - but it would have been > lovely to have been able to speed that up by getting some facts on here to > begin with. And I'm guessing that's what many others do - they come on here > as a first port of call but then move on to doing their own fundamental > research or go with their medical teams advice and never come back. > > It's great, fantastic, that so many of you are fervent supporters of DASH > and meds. Really - I absolutely mean that. But that doesn't mean there isn't > ever a case for surgery. Now I'll do my best to be equally fervent in > support of surgery when I think somebody has a case for it - that's why I'm > still here. Because that's how it's all going to work, imho. But I'm not a > medic and I won't be up to date with the latest research so I'll never carry > as much weight as many of you. So hopefully there will be others around > giving an alternative view-point too. And if that isn't welcome then there > should be something in the intro about this being a forum for supporting > Conn's sufferers through diet and meds rather than it being a general PA > support site. > > H >

October 10, 2011

Guess I did not mention that when I was the Australian Heart Foundation's Visiting fellow 1993-4 I gave my talk on the evolution of PA to Dr.Gordon's group in Brisbane. They were skeptical.Seem to be moving in my direction now.CE Grim MD Val, Hope you didn't miss my post, msg 36532. I've seen many of these names before: Laboratory Investigation of Primary Aldosteronism Stowasser,* J , Pimenta, Ashraf H Al-Asaly Ahmed, and D Gordon Looks like it brings us up to 2010! - 65 yo morb. ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank pain. Treating with Meds. And DASH. . Current BP(last week ave): 125/73 Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, and PTSD. Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Mirtazapine 7.5 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg asprin, Metformin 2000MG and Spironolactone 50 MG. > > There has been some research posted about the failure of surgery many years > later. If you have one adenoma, you could very well develop another on the > other adrenal. That's why Dr. Grim recommends DASH, meds first and surgery > last. I don't want opinions; I want facts supported by research, or at > least by expert opinion. > > Val > > From: hyperaldosteronism > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of hesterfenwick > > > Maybe it is about how to find the discussions because searching thtough old > discussions is nigh-on impossible by thread title. But I never had any > response to my 'pros and cons' question beyond being told DASH and meds was > the way to go - despite pressing and pressing for the equivalent analysis on > surgery. And in the year since then I've seen very little support for > surgery. Now in my case (under 40, clear adenoma, BP controlled my minimal > meds, PA short term) it was a no-brainer according to all the other research > I could lay my hands on. > > When I got no response on here to surgery questions, I did trawl through Pub > Med and every other piece of research I could find - but it would have been > lovely to have been able to speed that up by getting some facts on here to > begin with. And I'm guessing that's what many others do - they come on here > as a first port of call but then move on to doing their own fundamental > research or go with their medical teams advice and never come back. > > It's great, fantastic, that so many of you are fervent supporters of DASH > and meds. Really - I absolutely mean that. But that doesn't mean there isn't > ever a case for surgery. Now I'll do my best to be equally fervent in > support of surgery when I think somebody has a case for it - that's why I'm > still here. Because that's how it's all going to work, imho. But I'm not a > medic and I won't be up to date with the latest research so I'll never carry > as much weight as many of you. So hopefully there will be others around > giving an alternative view-point too. And if that isn't welcome then there > should be something in the intro about this being a forum for supporting > Conn's sufferers through diet and meds rather than it being a general PA > support site. > > H >

October 11, 2011

Not sure there are many facts on this forum at all - just a whole lot of

opinions. The facts I found on Pub Med gave a far more balanced opinion of meds

vs. surgery. As did my own medical team - if they count as 'expert opinion'.

That's why it's so frustrating to be bashed over the head with DASH/meds for as

long as it works - actually that makes the prognosis of surgery, when it

eventually happens, worse.

I guess it all comes down to whether you actually want any new members to join

this forum or whether you're all happy to bounce your own opinions around and

around. All I (and a couple of others) are saying is that it's not very helpful

or welcoming to be told that the one and only way to progress is DASH/meds and

if we don't do that we're stupid. Actually there is no research or facts (at

least that has ever been quoted at me) to back up that opinion either. The only

facts that are quoted are the possible failures of surgery.

The original question (which in true fashion has got way out of control) was

whether the group could move forward. I think this thread is true proof that no,

it can't. Because there are far too many people coming up with reasons why it

shouldn't - not that anybody is happy with the status quo, just that any other

suggestions get shot down in fire immediately.

H