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I suspect that some couples opt for sterilization because they either don't want the health risks associated with hormonal bc, or they don't want to have a child aborted by hormonal bc's abortifacient action. Sterilization is seen as the ultimate barrier method and it poses virtually no risk of causing an abortion, so sterilization is seen as a "good"--or at least not so serious a "bad". The Church's failure to teach and preach the intrinsic and serious moral evil of ALL unnatural birth prevention has brought us to this this sad state. Blessings to all.Steve KoobTo: nfpprofessionals From: doerfling@...Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:23:19 -0400Subject: RE: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta

, I would suspect that the rate of sterilization is even higher among married Catholic women than it is in the general Catholic population. Even women who start out using NFP find themselves flummoxed by the events of the perimenopausal years and resort to sterilization. You have to be very determined to stick this out through what could turn out to be a decade of changes when neither mucus changes nor temperatures look like they did when you were 30 and cycle lengths can become wildly variable. There's been a lot of NFP-oriented research on breastfeeding and fertility, but it seemed to me both as a teacher and an NFP user that the information on what you might expect during the approach to menopause was very sparse. A lot of women want to know the statistics on when they can consider themselves to be infertile (what's the pregnancy rate at 48? for instance) even if they are still having apparently ovulatory cycles. A lot of them prefer to just become sterile rather than live with the suspense of declining fertility. Don't get me started! Lee Ann DoerflingerSTM teacherTo: nfpprofessionals From: rbamer2@...Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:05:41 -0700Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta

Thank you Dr. Fehring, by the way i go by Dr. Peck now, not Dr. Bame, even though my email is rbamer2. At any rate, i look forward to knowing the MARRIED Catholic women sterilization rate. Thanks so much, rebecca

To: "nfpprofessionals " <nfpprofessionals > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:01 AMSubject: RE: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta

(Dr.Bame):

The current use of sterilization among Catholic women is more like 14% and if you add the sterilization of the male "partner" then you can add another 4% -- so more like 18%.

See data below. However, if you look at Catholic women who are older than 35 and have 1-2 Children -- then the rate of sterilization goes up to a very high rate --- I will have to look at the latest figures for that.

And sad to say that Catholic women who attend Church services at least once a week or more are 35% more likely to be sterilized than less frequent church goers. Sterilization is also higher among Hispanic Catholics.

Notice .2% current use of NFP. Yes - sterilization is a big problem -- and one that is also a problem in our Catholic Health Care systems.

J. Fehring

Professor - Marquette University

Table 1: Frequency (and percentage) of Current and Ever Use of common Family Planning Methods among the sexually active

reproductive age Catholic Women (N= 2657) in the 2006-2010 NSFG Data Set.

______________________________________________________________________________

Current Use Ever Use Method Frequency/(Percentage) Frequency/(Percentage)

Pill (OC) 504 19.0% 1944 73.2%

Sterilization (Female) 376 14.2% 444 16.7%

Condom (Male) 381 14.3% 2327 87.6%

Sterilization (Male) 112 4.2% 222 11.0%

IUD 118 4.4% 236 4.2%*

Withdrawal 125 4.7% 1473 55.4%

Depo-Provera 83 3.1% 636 23.9%

Vaginal ring 33 1.2% 136 5.1%

Contraceptive patch 20 0.8% 301 11.3%

Rhythm 30 1.1% 494 18.6%

NFP 11 0.2% 130 4.9%

Emergency Contraception 2 .1% 304 11.4%

________________________________________________________________________________

* This figure is based on projections from the 2006-2008 NSFG data set.

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thank you. I really like and appreciate your approach and comments. I teach marquette too and teach a lot of noncatholics thru my practice also agreeing that they do need to know this even if they are not married or using barriersOn a different subject entirely, sterilization is a part of this mandate and yet is pretty much ignored as a matter of debate. Married Catholic women choose sterilization as the most frequent mode of birth control (around 40 percent according to NSFG). Besides the obvious problem of severing perfectly good body structures are there any other medical or physical harms? Are the theories such as increased prostate cancer or increased antisperm autoantibodies causing autoimmune disease in men or a "posttubal syndrome" in women valid? Anyone know any studies worth reading? Thx rebecca

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, I love your Bible quotes! I think it is very apropos to the message I was trying to convey. I wasn't saying that we should run away from our faith. But live it out through example. There are many who feel that their faith was *shoved down their throats* as children, and they have rebelled, and they are not yet ready - like a baby getting breastmilk first. By they way, I too was a full time RN and have turned SAHM to two beautiful boys (2yrs 10 1/2 months old; and a 10 1/2 month old - the former I'm still breastfeeding), but I also teach CCL and Marquette Methods of NFP on Sundays after Mass. I have introduced NFP and FA to my *crunchy* Attachment Parenting group. One of the moms has asked me to be her RCIA sponsor! I think there's a place for everything. When I teach my group classes, I teach it for the Pre-Cana couples, but allow anyone to join - and I preface my class with an introduction:

This class is to conform to the recommendations of the Richmond Diocese, and it is Catholic. Not everyone here maybe Catholic, and we welcome you, I do not ask you to accept every view of the Catholic Church, but to respectfully listen when those topics are brought up. As I have heard in La Leche League meetings: "take what you like, leave the rest." With people who practice FA, some may use barriers during their fertile time, the Catholic Church does not see that as a fulfillment of the marital embrace, and asks that when you practice NFP you refrain from all genital contact during the fertile window when trying to avoid a pregnancy.

I do teach FA to those who are not Catholic, who are not engaged or married, because I feel that it is so important for woman's health and the stewardship of our earth that women know about their body. I teach them that I do not agree with premarital sex, and the use of condoms, diaphragms or other barriers, but I am not in your bedroom. I am teaching you what works, and the use of barriers during the fertile time will not have the same statistical effectiveness rates because of human and manufacturing failures.

I do love when non-Catholics take my NFP classes, because it is a great way to evangelize them to the truths of the Catholic Church and to disspell the myths.

I guess what I was trying to say initially, is that we need to be aware of the audience we're trying to reach and not to have them turn us off. That is not asking us to become as bad as them, but know where they are in their faith journey - sometimes they need the breast milk and not the solid food yet.

Respectfully,

O'Connor, RN

Tired mom of 2 bouncy, boisterous boys

The thread on zeal versus prudence is so interesting, and is something I have thought about over many years. Probably for every person the right balance is different; we all have different gifts, and we're all at different stages in the development of our faith. There is a quote in the Bible that I love, and is so apropos: "I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready." I Corinthians 3:2. A wise and humble man -- I swear he must be a saint -- introduced me to the wisdom in those words. It is good to think of ourselves as evangelizers. We are all called to that. And we can all learn from each other.

I must confess, I have not had the time to view the youtube clip, so whether or not my thoughts fit in with that, I don't know. But the ensuing conversation got me to thinking. If the quote is thought-provoking to you too, I am delighted.

By way of introduction (though after this I will probably go underground again), I am a nurse practitioner turned stay-at-home mom. I am currently at home with two small children. I taught NFP for the Archdiocese of Boston for a number of years. Thanks for all the great threads. Much of the time (especially lately) I cannot keep up with all of you, but when I do I definitely learn a lot.

I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine

I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta

Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, "make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube." God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth!

-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

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And the medical consequences of sterilization are ignored. Again, where is informed consent. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, "make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube." God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

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Could it be a worse evil because it does not allow a new soul to come into being?

 

I suspect that some couples opt for sterilization because they either don't want the health risks associated with hormonal bc, or they don't want to have a child aborted by hormonal bc's abortifacient action.  Sterilization is seen as the ultimate barrier method and it poses virtually no risk of causing an abortion, so sterilization is seen as a " good " --or at least not so serious a " bad " .  The Church's failure to teach and preach the intrinsic and serious moral evil of ALL unnatural birth prevention has brought us to this this sad state. 

Blessings to all.Steve KoobTo: nfpprofessionals From: doerfling@...

Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:23:19 -0400Subject: RE: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta

 

, I would suspect that the rate of sterilization is even higher among married Catholic women than it is in the general Catholic population.  Even women who start out using NFP find themselves flummoxed by the events of the perimenopausal years and resort to sterilization.  You have to be very determined to stick this out through what could turn out to be a decade of changes when neither mucus changes nor temperatures look like they did when you were 30 and cycle lengths can become wildly variable.  There's been a lot of NFP-oriented research on breastfeeding and fertility, but it seemed to me both as a teacher and an NFP user that the information on what you might expect during the approach to menopause was very sparse.  A lot of women want to know the statistics on when they can consider themselves to be infertile (what's the pregnancy rate at 48? for instance) even if they are still having apparently ovulatory cycles.  A lot of them prefer to just become sterile rather than live with the suspense of declining fertility.

 Don't get me started! Lee Ann DoerflingerSTM teacherTo: nfpprofessionals From: rbamer2@...

Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:05:41 -0700Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta

 

Thank you Dr. Fehring, by the way i go by Dr. Peck now, not Dr. Bame, even though my email is rbamer2.  At any rate, i look forward to knowing the MARRIED Catholic women sterilization rate.  Thanks so much, rebecca

To: " nfpprofessionals " <nfpprofessionals >

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(Dr.Bame):

The current use of sterilization among Catholic women is more like 14% and if you add the sterilization of the male " partner " then you can add another 4% -- so more like 18%.

See data below.  However, if you look at Catholic women who are older than 35 and have 1-2 Children -- then the rate of sterilization goes up to a very high rate --- I will have to look at the latest figures for that.

And sad to say that Catholic women who attend Church services at least once a week or more are 35% more likely to be sterilized than less frequent church goers.  Sterilization is also higher among Hispanic Catholics.

Notice .2% current use of NFP.  Yes - sterilization is a big problem -- and one that is also a problem in our Catholic Health Care systems.

J. Fehring

Professor - Marquette University

Table 1:  Frequency (and percentage) of Current and Ever Use of common Family Planning Methods among the sexually active

reproductive age Catholic Women (N= 2657) in the 2006-2010 NSFG Data Set.

 ______________________________________________________________________________ 

                                               Current Use                            Ever Use         Method                                   Frequency/(Percentage)         Frequency/(Percentage)

Pill (OC)                                 504                  19.0%              1944                73.2%

Sterilization (Female)               376                  14.2%                444                16.7%

Condom (Male)                      381                  14.3%              2327                87.6%

Sterilization (Male)                  112                    4.2%                222                11.0%

IUD                                        118                    4.4%                236                  4.2%*           

Withdrawal                             125                    4.7%              1473                55.4%

Depo-Provera                           83                    3.1%                636                23.9%

Vaginal ring                               33                    1.2%                136                  5.1%

Contraceptive patch                  20                    0.8%                301                11.3%             

Rhythm                                     30                    1.1%                494                18.6% 

NFP                                         11                    0.2%                130                  4.9%

Emergency Contraception          2                      .1%                304                11.4%

________________________________________________________________________________ 

* This figure is based on projections from the 2006-2008 NSFG data set.  

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Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:16 AMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta

thank you. I really like and appreciate your approach and comments. I teach marquette too and teach a lot of noncatholics thru my practice also agreeing that they do need to know this even if they are not married or using barriers

On a different subject entirely, sterilization is a part of this mandate and yet is pretty much ignored as a matter of debate. Married Catholic women choose sterilization as the most frequent mode of birth control (around 40 percent according to NSFG). Besides the obvious problem of severing perfectly good body structures are there any other medical or physical harms? Are the theories such as increased prostate cancer or increased antisperm autoantibodies causing autoimmune disease in men or a " posttubal syndrome " in women valid? Anyone know any studies worth reading? Thx rebecca

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, I love your Bible quotes! I think it is very apropos to the message I was trying to convey. I wasn't saying that we should run away from our faith. But live it out through example. There are many who feel that their faith was *shoved down their throats* as children, and they have rebelled, and they are not yet ready - like a baby getting breastmilk first. By they way, I too was a full time RN and have turned SAHM to two beautiful boys (2yrs 10 1/2 months old; and a 10 1/2 month old - the former I'm still breastfeeding), but I also teach CCL and Marquette Methods of NFP on Sundays after Mass. I have introduced NFP and FA to my *crunchy* Attachment Parenting group. One of the moms has asked me to be her RCIA sponsor! I think there's a place for everything. When I teach my group classes, I teach it for the Pre-Cana couples, but allow anyone to join - and I preface my class with an introduction:

This class is to conform to the recommendations of the Richmond Diocese, and it is Catholic. Not everyone here maybe Catholic, and we welcome you, I do not ask you to accept every view of the Catholic Church, but to respectfully listen when those topics are brought up. As I have heard in La Leche League meetings: " take what you like, leave the rest. " With people who practice FA, some may use barriers during their fertile time, the Catholic Church does not see that as a fulfillment of the marital embrace, and asks that when you practice NFP you refrain from all genital contact during the fertile window when trying to avoid a pregnancy. 

I do teach FA to those who are not Catholic, who are not engaged or married, because I feel that it is so important for woman's health and the stewardship of our earth that women know about their body. I teach them that I do not agree with premarital sex, and the use of condoms, diaphragms or other barriers, but I am not in your bedroom. I am teaching you what works, and the use of barriers during the fertile time will not  have the same statistical effectiveness rates because of human and manufacturing failures. 

I do love when non-Catholics take my NFP classes, because it is a great way to evangelize them to the truths of the Catholic Church and to disspell the myths.

I guess what I was trying to say initially, is that we need to be aware of the audience we're trying to reach and not to have them turn us off. That is not asking us to become as bad as them, but know where they are in their faith journey - sometimes they need the breast milk and not the solid food yet.

Respectfully,

O'Connor, RN

Tired mom of 2 bouncy, boisterous boys

 

The thread on zeal versus prudence is so interesting, and is something I have thought about over many years.   Probably for every person the right balance is different; we all have different gifts, and we're all at different stages in the development of our faith.  There is a quote in the Bible that I love, and is so apropos:   " I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. "   I Corinthians 3:2.  A wise and humble man -- I swear he must be a saint -- introduced me to the wisdom in those words.  It is good to think of ourselves as evangelizers.  We are all called to that.  And we can all learn from each other.

 

I must confess, I have not had the time to view the youtube clip, so whether or not my thoughts fit in with that, I don't know.  But the ensuing conversation got me to thinking.  If the quote is thought-provoking to you too, I am delighted.

 

By way of introduction (though after this I will probably go underground again), I am a nurse practitioner turned stay-at-home mom.  I am currently at home with two small children.  I taught NFP for the Archdiocese of Boston for a number of years.  Thanks for all the great threads.  Much of the time (especially lately) I cannot keep up with all of you, but when I do I definitely learn a lot. 

I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta

To: Catholic Parents OnLine

I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta

Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, " make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube. "

God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth!

 

 

 

-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

-- Judith Leonard, DirectorOffice of Family Life and Natural Family PlanningCatholic Diocese of Wichita               www.nfpwichita.org

 

" The organ for seeing God is the heart. " ~ B16, Jesus of Nazareth  

 

" The child is God's gift to the family. " ~ Blessed Mother of Calcutta

[Guest guest]

Hi Judith,I like your thinking. I have tried to make the case that true contraception is a more serious offense against God's will than abortion for the following reasons: 1) Contraception prevents God from generating life during the act that he created for that purpose. 2) Denying life to a potential person that God intended, denys that potential person eternal life. Would you rather be created and aborted, and thus spend eternity with God and your family, or would you rather never be created? 3) My sense is that abortion is primarily an offense against the Second Great Commandment, and contraception is primarily an offense against the First Great Commandment. Our culture (even our churches) have gravitated toward a 2nd GC focus. But, if God considers loving (honoring, worshiping, obeying) Him more important than loving our neighbor, perhaps it would be a good idea to refocus. The lesson: worship is very important, and it should draw our attention to God, not ourselves, not the celebrant/preacher, and not the performers.Thanks and blessings to all.Steve KoobTo: nfpprofessionals From: msjudy@...Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 13:15:22 -0500Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta

Could it be a worse evil because it does not allow a new soul to come into being?

I suspect that some couples opt for sterilization because they either don't want the health risks associated with hormonal bc, or they don't want to have a child aborted by hormonal bc's abortifacient action. Sterilization is seen as the ultimate barrier method and it poses virtually no risk of causing an abortion, so sterilization is seen as a "good"--or at least not so serious a "bad". The Church's failure to teach and preach the intrinsic and serious moral evil of ALL unnatural birth prevention has brought us to this this sad state.

Blessings to all.Steve KoobTo: nfpprofessionals From: doerfling@...

Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:23:19 -0400Subject: RE: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta

, I would suspect that the rate of sterilization is even higher among married Catholic women than it is in the general Catholic population. Even women who start out using NFP find themselves flummoxed by the events of the perimenopausal years and resort to sterilization. You have to be very determined to stick this out through what could turn out to be a decade of changes when neither mucus changes nor temperatures look like they did when you were 30 and cycle lengths can become wildly variable. There's been a lot of NFP-oriented research on breastfeeding and fertility, but it seemed to me both as a teacher and an NFP user that the information on what you might expect during the approach to menopause was very sparse. A lot of women want to know the statistics on when they can consider themselves to be infertile (what's the pregnancy rate at 48? for instance) even if they are still having apparently ovulatory cycles. A lot of them prefer to just become sterile rather than live with the suspense of declining fertility.

Don't get me started! Lee Ann DoerflingerSTM teacherTo: nfpprofessionals From: rbamer2@...

Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:05:41 -0700Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta

Thank you Dr. Fehring, by the way i go by Dr. Peck now, not Dr. Bame, even though my email is rbamer2. At any rate, i look forward to knowing the MARRIED Catholic women sterilization rate. Thanks so much, rebecca

To: "nfpprofessionals " <nfpprofessionals >

Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:01 AMSubject: RE: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta

(Dr.Bame):

The current use of sterilization among Catholic women is more like 14% and if you add the sterilization of the male "partner" then you can add another 4% -- so more like 18%.

See data below. However, if you look at Catholic women who are older than 35 and have 1-2 Children -- then the rate of sterilization goes up to a very high rate --- I will have to look at the latest figures for that.

And sad to say that Catholic women who attend Church services at least once a week or more are 35% more likely to be sterilized than less frequent church goers. Sterilization is also higher among Hispanic Catholics.

Notice .2% current use of NFP. Yes - sterilization is a big problem -- and one that is also a problem in our Catholic Health Care systems.

J. Fehring

Professor - Marquette University

Table 1: Frequency (and percentage) of Current and Ever Use of common Family Planning Methods among the sexually active

reproductive age Catholic Women (N= 2657) in the 2006-2010 NSFG Data Set.

______________________________________________________________________________

Current Use Ever Use Method Frequency/(Percentage) Frequency/(Percentage)

Pill (OC) 504 19.0% 1944 73.2%

Sterilization (Female) 376 14.2% 444 16.7%

Condom (Male) 381 14.3% 2327 87.6%

Sterilization (Male) 112 4.2% 222 11.0%

IUD 118 4.4% 236 4.2%*

Withdrawal 125 4.7% 1473 55.4%

Depo-Provera 83 3.1% 636 23.9%

Vaginal ring 33 1.2% 136 5.1%

Contraceptive patch 20 0.8% 301 11.3%

Rhythm 30 1.1% 494 18.6%

NFP 11 0.2% 130 4.9%

Emergency Contraception 2 .1% 304 11.4%

________________________________________________________________________________

* This figure is based on projections from the 2006-2008 NSFG data set.

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Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:16 AMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta

thank you. I really like and appreciate your approach and comments. I teach marquette too and teach a lot of noncatholics thru my practice also agreeing that they do need to know this even if they are not married or using barriers

On a different subject entirely, sterilization is a part of this mandate and yet is pretty much ignored as a matter of debate. Married Catholic women choose sterilization as the most frequent mode of birth control (around 40 percent according to NSFG). Besides the obvious problem of severing perfectly good body structures are there any other medical or physical harms? Are the theories such as increased prostate cancer or increased antisperm autoantibodies causing autoimmune disease in men or a "posttubal syndrome" in women valid? Anyone know any studies worth reading? Thx rebecca

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, I love your Bible quotes! I think it is very apropos to the message I was trying to convey. I wasn't saying that we should run away from our faith. But live it out through example. There are many who feel that their faith was *shoved down their throats* as children, and they have rebelled, and they are not yet ready - like a baby getting breastmilk first. By they way, I too was a full time RN and have turned SAHM to two beautiful boys (2yrs 10 1/2 months old; and a 10 1/2 month old - the former I'm still breastfeeding), but I also teach CCL and Marquette Methods of NFP on Sundays after Mass. I have introduced NFP and FA to my *crunchy* Attachment Parenting group. One of the moms has asked me to be her RCIA sponsor! I think there's a place for everything. When I teach my group classes, I teach it for the Pre-Cana couples, but allow anyone to join - and I preface my class with an introduction:

This class is to conform to the recommendations of the Richmond Diocese, and it is Catholic. Not everyone here maybe Catholic, and we welcome you, I do not ask you to accept every view of the Catholic Church, but to respectfully listen when those topics are brought up. As I have heard in La Leche League meetings: "take what you like, leave the rest." With people who practice FA, some may use barriers during their fertile time, the Catholic Church does not see that as a fulfillment of the marital embrace, and asks that when you practice NFP you refrain from all genital contact during the fertile window when trying to avoid a pregnancy.

I do teach FA to those who are not Catholic, who are not engaged or married, because I feel that it is so important for woman's health and the stewardship of our earth that women know about their body. I teach them that I do not agree with premarital sex, and the use of condoms, diaphragms or other barriers, but I am not in your bedroom. I am teaching you what works, and the use of barriers during the fertile time will not have the same statistical effectiveness rates because of human and manufacturing failures.

I do love when non-Catholics take my NFP classes, because it is a great way to evangelize them to the truths of the Catholic Church and to disspell the myths.

I guess what I was trying to say initially, is that we need to be aware of the audience we're trying to reach and not to have them turn us off. That is not asking us to become as bad as them, but know where they are in their faith journey - sometimes they need the breast milk and not the solid food yet.

Respectfully,

O'Connor, RN

Tired mom of 2 bouncy, boisterous boys

The thread on zeal versus prudence is so interesting, and is something I have thought about over many years. Probably for every person the right balance is different; we all have different gifts, and we're all at different stages in the development of our faith. There is a quote in the Bible that I love, and is so apropos: "I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready." I Corinthians 3:2. A wise and humble man -- I swear he must be a saint -- introduced me to the wisdom in those words. It is good to think of ourselves as evangelizers. We are all called to that. And we can all learn from each other.

I must confess, I have not had the time to view the youtube clip, so whether or not my thoughts fit in with that, I don't know. But the ensuing conversation got me to thinking. If the quote is thought-provoking to you too, I am delighted.

By way of introduction (though after this I will probably go underground again), I am a nurse practitioner turned stay-at-home mom. I am currently at home with two small children. I taught NFP for the Archdiocese of Boston for a number of years. Thanks for all the great threads. Much of the time (especially lately) I cannot keep up with all of you, but when I do I definitely learn a lot.

I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta

To: Catholic Parents OnLine

I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta

Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, "make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube."

God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth!

-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

-- Judith Leonard, DirectorOffice of Family Life and Natural Family PlanningCatholic Diocese of Wichita www.nfpwichita.org

"The organ for seeing God is the heart." ~ B16, Jesus of Nazareth

"The child is God's gift to the family." ~ Blessed Mother of Calcutta

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The spiritual consequences of sterilization are also ignored. It is common confessional practice that no change of behavior is called for. It's the one-sin and one-confession approach. Get sterilized, confess it, and get on with your life including contraceptively sterilized intercourse. It is the only sin of which I am aware that, in this approach, requires no change in behavior. My response to this is spelled out in Chapter 12, "The Sterilized Couple" in Sex and the Marriage Covenant (the 2005 Ignatius edition). It is also available at the NFPI website as "The Repentant Sterilized Couple" http://www.nfpandmore.org/The%20Repentant%20Sterilized%20Couple.pdf .

With regard to the opinion that contraception may be worse than abortion because it prevents a soul from coming into existence, two thoughts.

1. I don't think it is our business to be ranking the sins.

2. That's the sort of argument that leads the contraceptionists and some super "conservative" Catholics to allege that nfp is no different from contraception.

Kippley

www.nfpandmore.org

I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine

I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta

Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, "make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube." God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth!

-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com