Re: Survey about Quinolones (Cipro/Avelox/Levaquin etc).

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Did you have a high temp when you were treated with Quinolones?

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> Since all my PA symptoms were triggered within 2 weeks after taking

> Quinolones, I was thinking that it could be a connection.

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> By no means I am an expert on this but I read that all this new class of

quinolone antibiotics and it's toxicity is because it attacks the DNA of

internal organs, possibly adrenals too.

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> Please respond to this thread if you remember ever taking Quinolones in your

life to see if there is any potential connection.

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> If you don't want to reply that is fine too and thank you!

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I took Levauin for Bartonella for several months about a year ago. Within two weeks, I could be around my family without coming out of my skin. For several weeks, they caused a lot of Bartonella pain (bottoms of feet), but when they started working, it was if by magic. Levoquin is the chosen drug for Bartonella._______________________________________________________________________________________________________Female, hypothyroidism, hyperparathyroidism, hyperaldosterone (all endocrine, BTW), and Lyme + HTN that have responded very well to IV antibiotics; breast cancer caught early and probably cured.Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of lvasiliu@...Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 5:36 PMTo: hyperaldosteronism Subject: Survey about Quinolones (Cipro/Avelox/Levaquin etc).Since all my PA symptoms were triggered within 2 weeks after takingQuinolones, I was thinking that it could be a connection.By no means I am an expert on this but I read that all this new class of quinolone antibiotics and it's toxicity is because it attacks the DNA of internal organs, possibly adrenals too.Please respond to this thread if you remember ever taking Quinolones in your life to see if there is any potential connection.If you don't want to reply that is fine too and thank you!

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I would search pubmed. May your pressure be low!CE Grim MS, MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Since all my PA symptoms were triggered within 2 weeks after taking

Quinolones, I was thinking that it could be a connection.

By no means I am an expert on this but I read that all this new class of quinolone antibiotics and it's toxicity is because it attacks the DNA of internal organs, possibly adrenals too.

Please respond to this thread if you remember ever taking Quinolones in your life to see if there is any potential connection.

If you don't want to reply that is fine too and thank you!

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Also. Cipro is so commonly used I would expect many have been on it. May your pressure be low!CE Grim MS, MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Since all my PA symptoms were triggered within 2 weeks after taking

Quinolones, I was thinking that it could be a connection.

By no means I am an expert on this but I read that all this new class of quinolone antibiotics and it's toxicity is because it attacks the DNA of internal organs, possibly adrenals too.

Please respond to this thread if you remember ever taking Quinolones in your life to see if there is any potential connection.

If you don't want to reply that is fine too and thank you!

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Or you did a salt binge?What was the abiotic for? Lyme?]CE Grim MD Since all my PA symptoms were triggered within 2 weeks after taking Quinolones, I was thinking that it could be a connection. By no means I am an expert on this but I read that all this new class of quinolone antibiotics and it's toxicity is because it attacks the DNA of internal organs, possibly adrenals too. Please respond to this thread if you remember ever taking Quinolones in your life to see if there is any potential connection. If you don't want to reply that is fine too and thank you!

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Or you did a salt binge?What was the abiotic for? Lyme?]CE Grim MD Since all my PA symptoms were triggered within 2 weeks after taking Quinolones, I was thinking that it could be a connection. By no means I am an expert on this but I read that all this new class of quinolone antibiotics and it's toxicity is because it attacks the DNA of internal organs, possibly adrenals too. Please respond to this thread if you remember ever taking Quinolones in your life to see if there is any potential connection. If you don't want to reply that is fine too and thank you!

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Sometimes well have a tendency to see what we want to see so we have to be a careful. There was a recent study on interent health and medicine and how we patients look up things to check symptoms, and then our eyes and mind tend to go to the worst thing - not the most common one or the or the most likely, but the most dramatic and dangerous.

I say all the time on here it's like the monday morning illness where we wake with a stomach virus on Monday AM, but are certain it is something we ate Sunday night because "it has to be" because we, as human nature preps us, HAVE to connect it to something fpor peace of mind. And that is the most logical thing to our mind - which is the common factor of food. We always eat something the night before or during the night we fall ill so it's an easy connection. Often wrong, but we make the connection anyway.

On this subject....funny.....I was talking to a class I teach in mircobiology and correlating it to something clinical and I was telling them how we, and in this case it's almost always women that do this (because men ignore it), when we get a new lesion on our arm or leg, that it's a "spider bite". No spider seen, nothing felt, and most spiders can't really get their fangs in us, and the brown recluse, box, and black widows don't just go biting all night (if a black widow got you you know it without a doubt) Yet we draw the correlation and nothing is convincing them otherwise - even a cutlure positive for staph - which spiders do not carry as venom. This is almost likely a mosquito bite or small cut we sctratched and got staph in. I am here to say that probably 99% of the time it is not a spider.

I also get asked alot by parents and patients "well, how did they (or I) catch it? No one is sick around me." The I tell them that we, and surfaces, carry and move alot of germs, doesn't mean we always get it, but we can give it." But they want that correlation to something tangible.

So we always want the connection because we are programmed in life for cause and effect answers. In the Flouro case, it's possible, but very highly unlikely with favorable odds it isn't, but who knows for certain. There are probably many "things" in the 2 weeks prior that also are reported to effect the body like plastics and BPA's and many many more we come in contact with every day that could get higher billing as a cause, depending on who one talks to.

BUT if we do find a connection somewhere - and we have to look - then this would be great. But is anyone really studying Conn's or PA much? They did in the 60's and 70's but seems like it tapered off more and more. Now it's almost completely ignored.

How many of us saw cardiologists first, after primary care, and they didn't find it either?

Since all my PA symptoms were triggered within 2 weeks after takingQuinolones, I was thinking that it could be a connection.By no means I am an expert on this but I read that all this new class of quinolone antibiotics and it's toxicity is because it attacks the DNA of internal organs, possibly adrenals too.Please respond to this thread if you remember ever taking Quinolones in your life to see if there is any potential connection.If you don't want to reply that is fine too and thank you!

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Reason we need to teach some epidemiology and some medical bacteriology and other infectious disease concepts in high school or sooner. There are great stories about them and great pictures that can be used.CE Grim MD Sometimes well have a tendency to see what we want to see so we have to be a careful. There was a recent study on interent health and medicine and how we patients look up things to check symptoms, and then our eyes and mind tend to go to the worst thing - not the most common one or the or the most likely, but the most dramatic and dangerous. I say all the time on here it's like the monday morning illness where we wake with a stomach virus on Monday AM, but are certain it is something we ate Sunday night because "it has to be" because we, as human nature preps us, HAVE to connect it to something fpor peace of mind. And that is the most logical thing to our mind - which is the common factor of food. We always eat something the night before or during the night we fall ill so it's an easy connection. Often wrong, but we make the connection anyway. On this subject....funny.....I was talking to a class I teach in mircobiology and correlating it to something clinical and I was telling them how we, and in this case it's almost always women that do this (because men ignore it), when we get a new lesion on our arm or leg, that it's a "spider bite". No spider seen, nothing felt, and most spiders can't really get their fangs in us, and the brown recluse, box, and black widows don't just go biting all night (if a black widow got you you know it without a doubt) Yet we draw the correlation and nothing is convincing them otherwise - even a cutlure positive for staph - which spiders do not carry as venom. This is almost likely a mosquito bite or small cut we sctratched and got staph in. I am here to say that probably 99% of the time it is not a spider. I also get asked alot by parents and patients "well, how did they (or I) catch it? No one is sick around me." The I tell them that we, and surfaces, carry and move alot of germs, doesn't mean we always get it, but we can give it." But they want that correlation to something tangible. So we always want the connection because we are programmed in life for cause and effect answers. In the Flouro case, it's possible, but very highly unlikely with favorable odds it isn't, but who knows for certain. There are probably many "things" in the 2 weeks prior that also are reported to effect the body like plastics and BPA's and many many more we come in contact with every day that could get higher billing as a cause, depending on who one talks to. BUT if we do find a connection somewhere - and we have to look - then this would be great. But is anyone really studying Conn's or PA much? They did in the 60's and 70's but seems like it tapered off more and more. Now it's almost completely ignored. How many of us saw cardiologists first, after primary care, and they didn't find it either? Since all my PA symptoms were triggered within 2 weeks after takingQuinolones, I was thinking that it could be a connection.By no means I am an expert on this but I read that all this new class of quinolone antibiotics and it's toxicity is because it attacks the DNA of internal organs, possibly adrenals too.Please respond to this thread if you remember ever taking Quinolones in your life to see if there is any potential connection.If you don't want to reply that is fine too and thank you!

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Hi Dr. Grim,

Was prescribed Levaquin for high fever (possibly pneumonia per PCP DX).

Took only 5 days of it and started having my adrenaline rush/surges within 2

weeks. No Lyme.

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> Or you did a salt binge?

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> What was the abiotic for? Lyme?]

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> CE Grim MD

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What other drugs were you taking at the same time.If a diuretic this may have worsened low K.Need more details before and after. What was BP doing at the time of the surges.CE Grim MD Hi Dr. Grim, Was prescribed Levaquin for high fever (possibly pneumonia per PCP DX). Took only 5 days of it and started having my adrenaline rush/surges within 2 weeks. No Lyme. > > Or you did a salt binge? > > What was the abiotic for? Lyme?] > > CE Grim MD