Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

September 18, 2011

Yes. I have the his book and had read it a few times. Thanks! I sometimes think khe eforgets that we probably ate alot of bugs and worms on the paleo diet. Not really interested in doing htat myself...lol I dont really follow any specific low carb diet when I do it. I liked the Protein Power books and the ideas behind them, and well as the Paleo diet concepts. I also read Adkins books. I think all of them are "Dash-like" compliant or at a minimum can be modified to be that way. What I did that made this "dashing-like" thing work is cut back on the salt. It wasnt "DASH" that helped me, it was "low sodium diet", period. The idea of Dash to me is less about the servings of this or that food group being a one size fits

all people. It's helpful for us with PA because of the low sodium eating and higher potassium. But, lets face it. Most of us cant eat enough potassium in natural foods to out do the losses from Aldo. We need suppliments in most cases. I can eat a ton of spinich, which I like ans still be low carbing if i time it right. I can find ways to eat natural foods that are basically Dash foods. But, if we didnt have PA, dash would probably be easy and a heathy way of eating. But, if you are gluten sensative or fractose intolerant, forget it. You cant DASH by the book. Next best thing, eat the foods that help YOU and cut the salt. I am eating a ton of high potassium foods, and taking perscription K suppliments, and still cant keep enough K in me. I am eating low sodium diet. My BP is always normal or below now. Yet, I still have issues with muscles and I am gaining more weight. If Dash-like or low sodium

- low carb eating will help me cut the weight back, then that is what I must do. I am not wrapped around the DASH axle. I have listened here and read all the materials i could find on it. It seems what really matters at the end of the day for PA is "low sodium, high potassium", and make sure you are getting all the electrolytes and micro-nutrients your individual body needs..through foods where possible. I think if the forum focused more on saying Low-Sodium, High Potassium way of eating rather than whether or not we are "Dashing", low carbing, or eating worms all day, it would be more encouraging. I am not eating 8-11 servings of grain everyday, period. I cant have any dairy. So if that means I am not dashing, tough. I am not failing just becuase I am not eating what is on that "diet-books" plan framework. I am doing what we really need to do -

eating low sodium and getting alot of potassium. Can I do better? Yup. One way for me is to eat more meat. It satisfies me and I dont eat as many calories that way. It lowers my insulin levels and I drop weight. Maybe it doesnt work for everyone, but not everyone can eat "dash" to the letter either. I am basically saying that just because I am honest and say I am not following DASH as described in 's book doesnt mean I am failing to attempt to help treat PA with diet. Dr Grim says the pee dont lie. Right, but what you are looking at is the K/Na ratio, not how much grain or dairy I ate. And you are only looking at what I did in the last 24hrs or so. I could say I am dashing to the letter of the law and if my K/Na ratio proves it, noone knows if I am eating just meat or noodles all day long...except me. DASH is a way to help PA, but at the end of the day, call it what it is: Low

Sodium/High Potassium. If you can tolerate all the fruit/grain/dairy then you can do DASH per the book if you want. I cant tolerate all those, so I will never be doing DASH by the exact plan in the book. If Ms was able to drop 50lbs and I was able to drop almost 30 eating low carb, then why isnt that something we can talk about here without feeling like we are being perceived as not complying with the recommended plan? My mistake on my low carb eating, which may have very well brought PA out and made if visable is all the damn salt I was eating. I wasnt supplimenting Potassium and not eating K rich foods. I didnt know i needed to be. Now I do, thanks to the forum and Dr Grim I use to eat alot of bacon everyday, tons of pickles, and home made soup with salt laden bullion while

doing my low carb plan. Good God, it is amazing I didnt have skyrocketing BP. My blood sugar was great. All the anti-adkins yapping in the media about eggs/fat raising cholesterol is also pure BS. I was eating 3-4 eggs every single day with bacon. My cholesterol went down! I dont have high cholesterol anyway, but i proved that eggs do not raise it, nor high fat meats. I ate alot of steak...and the fat on it. Chicken with all the skin and fat too...yet I lost weight. Since I started eating foods that the low carb plans would not allow, I have done nothing but gain weight. If the forum wanted to really be helpful to accomodate the variety of us on here who "cant/wont/dont want to" follow the DASH book formula, we would focus on talking about other ways to eat a low sodium/high potassium diet. We would also talk about how to

balance suppliments and eating, and what blood and urine markers (other than just K/Na) to look for to help tailor YOUR OWN diet and suppliment plan to treat your individual needs of PA and the stage you are in. DASH isnt possible for everyone. From what I have read here, noone is really actually following it to the books formula. Maybe I am wrong and just those of us who are not who talk about it. For those who dont want to think, or dont have special needs, follow DASH if you want. Dr Grim, if I am missing something that is material, please correct me. If not, can you acknowlege that it is the "low salt/high potassium" part of DASH that is what helps us with PA, and that ANY way of eating/supplimenting that meets that objective is encouraged. DASH just happens to be a simple formula that will meet that objective in a simple plan for those who can/want to use

that approach. It will also cover alot of the other things like magnesium and calcium within the natural foods and minimize suppliments. But, if dairy, grain, or fruit, cause IBS...then we are not really going to absorb the nutients anyway and need to find an alternative. The rest of us or not failing to do everything we can to treat PA, just becuase we are not following DASH specifically. I want to stop feeling like I am outside the "club" just because I cant eat all the stuff on the DASH plan. ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide

effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high alsoTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:37 PMSubject: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

, have you read any of Loren Cordain's writing? He's the author of the Paleo Diet: http://thepaleodiet.com/faq/#basics

While I hate any eating plan that uses the word "diet," I think paleo/primal eating can be compatible with DASH. Instead of the "eat your weight in bacon every day!!!" approach that some low-carb plans use, paleo tends to favor lean meats instead, and most paleo plans allow some fruit.

The Perfect Health Diet (again, that awful word!) is another controlled-carb approach that allows more healthy fresh fruits and veggies than traditional low-carb.

Or, hey, there's always Pollan's very sane advice (that is also DASH compliant): EAT FOOD, MOSTLY PLANTS, NOT TOO MUCH

Hope some of that is helpful to you. When I first became sick I dealt with weight gain for the first time in my life, and low-carb was the only thing that worked. The fact that all the things that were making me fat were also making me sick (fructose and wheat, mainly) made it easy for me to comply with the plan; I lost 50 pounds and have kept it off for over 7 years now. Unfortunately the food intolerances also make it impossible for me to DASH.

-msmith1928

Nulliparous female, 46, 5'3", 120 lbs, polymenorrhea, hyperinsulinemia, hereditary fructose intolerance, lactose intolerance, probable gluten intolerance. Current meds are K 20 MEQ 4x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg to regulate polymenorrhea, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine 180mg as needed. Low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet. Known drug allergies include PCN, sulfa, tetracycline. 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone 28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); spiro caused gynecomastia, polymenorrhea, depression, anxiety, and dizziness

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> >>The only way I have been able to lose weigh is to do low carb. I lost 27 lbs doing that in about 5 mo's. That was 5 years ago..right before all my PA symptoms flared up. In fact, i blamed it on that rapid weight loss forÃ‚ a while. I am doing nothing but gaining weight since "sorta" dashing. Simply eating too many carbs for my system. I kept that weight off until the last year. I have gained about 20 lbsÃ‚ back over the past year,Ã‚ about 12 of that in the last 4-5 months. I am the only one to blame. I simply must be eating too many calories. It is simple math. Eat less calories than you burn and you lose weight. Simple in theory, seemingly impossible forÃ‚ me toÃ‚ stick with unless I eat low carb and kill the carbs. I am thinking of doing it again. this time it will be low sodium. Maybe I need more K. I am certainly getting enough in my diet, but that doesnt seem to be staying with me.

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> >>My Vit D level was 54.8 (30-80 normal range) on 4/28/2011. I cant see how that would be killing me, I am right in the midpoint of normal.

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> >>45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

> >>Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium,Ã‚ 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole

> >>Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)

> >>Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower

> Pole, Right Flank Pain

> >>DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011

> >>Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

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> >>>To: hyperaldosteronism

> >>>Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 4:01 PM

> >>>Subject: RE: Do not feel well after exercise

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> >>>Is it possible for you to lose 42 lbs in 1 or 2 years? I suspect 100,000IU vit D is killing you! Also KCl=40 mEq/d is marginally ineffective doseÃ¢â‚¬Â¦I have to take 120.

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> >>>Max.

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> >>>From:hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Brown

> >>>Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 14:37

> >>>To: hyperaldosteronism

> >>>Subject: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

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> >>>I was just mowing lawn and trimming hedges. Now i can hardly type. My hands/arms re just shaking with fatigue. Driving me nutz. I just took another 20meq of Potassium and a 12 oz glass of low sodium V8. If that works, then i know it is low K.

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> >>>============================================================================

> >>>45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

> >>>Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium,Ã‚ 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole

> >>>Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)

> >>>Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

> >>>DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011

> >>>Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also

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> >>>>Wondering if anyone else has a problem with exercise? I feel terrible and do not recover from aerobics or weight lifting classes?

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September 18, 2011

The DASH is best supported by good trials in humans. Most of the others you discuss have not been systematically tested that I am aware of. Yes. I have the his book and had read it a few times. Thanks! I sometimes think khe eforgets that we probably ate alot of bugs and worms on the paleo diet. Not really interested in doing htat myself...lol I dont really follow any specific low carb diet when I do it. I liked the Protein Power books and the ideas behind them, and well as the Paleo diet concepts. I also read Adkins books. I think all of them are "Dash-like" compliant or at a minimum can be modified to be that way. What I did that made this "dashing-like" thing work is cut back on the salt. It wasnt "DASH" that helped me, it was "low sodium diet", period. The idea of Dash to me is less about the servings of this or that food group being a one size fits all people. It's helpful for us with PA because of the low sodium eating and higher potassium. But, lets face it. Most of us cant eat enough potassium in natural foods to out do the losses from Aldo. We need suppliments in most cases. I can eat a ton of spinich, which I like ans still be low carbing if i time it right. I can find ways to eat natural foods that are basically Dash foods. But, if we didnt have PA, dash would probably be easy and a heathy way of eating. But, if you are gluten sensative or fractose intolerant, forget it. You cant DASH by the book. Next best thing, eat the foods that help YOU and cut the salt. I am eating a ton of high potassium foods, and taking perscription K suppliments, and still cant keep enough K in me. Again suspect by the high salt intake you are driving the Urine K loss which aldo reabsorbs Na, No salt in diet no K loss - mostly. Many here have been able to stop K supplements with DASH and/or MCRBs. I am eating low sodium diet. My BP is always normal or below now. Yet, I still have issues with muscles and I am gaining more weight. If Dash-like or low sodium - low carb eating will help me cut the weight back, then that is what I must do. I am not wrapped around the DASH axle. I have listened here and read all the materials i could find on it. Following the DASH diet and adjusting calories you can lose weight or keep weight the same (as was done during the DASH studies so changes in BP were not due to changes in weight) or increase weight. DASH did not test if gaining wt on DASH changes BP. It seems what really matters at the end of the day for PA is "low sodium, high potassium", and make sure you are getting all the electrolytes and micro-nutrients your individual body needs..through foods where possible. I think if the forum focused more on saying Low-Sodium, High Potassium way of eating rather than whether or not we are "Dashing", low carbing, or eating worms all day, it would be more encouraging. I am not eating 8-11 servings of grain everyday, period. Likely but has not been tested except with the Rice diet at ricediet.comI cant have any dairy. So if that means I am not dashing, tough. I am not failing just becuase I am not eating what is on that "diet-books" plan framework. I am doing what we really need to do - eating low sodium and getting alot of potassium. Can I do better? Yup. One way for me is to eat more meat. It satisfies me and I dont eat as many calories that way. It lowers my insulin levels and I drop weight. Maybe it doesnt work for everyone, but not everyone can eat "dash" to the letter either. I am basically saying that just because I am honest and say I am not following DASH as described in 's book doesnt mean I am failing to attempt to help treat PA with diet. Dr Grim says the pee dont lie. Right, but what you are looking at is the K/Na ratio, not how much grain or dairy I ate. And you are only looking at what I did in the last 24hrs or so. I could say I am dashing to the letter of the law and if my K/Na ratio proves it, noone knows if I am eating just meat or noodles all day long...except me. As discussed before first get the ratio right (more K than Na in urine) which you have done and next get the total sodium lower which you are working on. Keep at it. DASH is a way to help PA, but at the end of the day, call it what it is: Low Sodium/High Potassium. If you can tolerate all the fruit/grain/dairy then you can do DASH per the book if you want. I cant tolerate all those, so I will never be doing DASH by the exact plan in the book. If Ms was able to drop 50lbs and I was able to drop almost 30 eating low carb, then why isnt that something we can talk about here without feeling like we are being perceived as not complying with the recommended plan? My mistake on my low carb eating, which may have very well brought PA out and made if visable is all the damn salt I was eating. I wasnt supplimenting Potassium and not eating K rich foods. I didnt know i needed to be. Now I do, thanks to the forum and Dr Grim I use to eat alot of bacon everyday, tons of pickles, and home made soup with salt laden bullion while doing my low carb plan. Good God, it is amazing I didnt have skyrocketing BP. My blood sugar was great. All the anti-adkins yapping in the media about eggs/fat raising cholesterol is also pure BS. I was eating 3-4 eggs every single day with bacon. My cholesterol went down! I dont have high cholesterol anyway, but i proved that eggs do not raise it, nor high fat meats. I ate alot of steak...and the fat on it. Chicken with all the skin and fat too...yet I lost weight. Since I started eating foods that the low carb plans would not allow, I have done nothing but gain weight. If the forum wanted to really be helpful to accomodate the variety of us on here who "cant/wont/dont want to" follow the DASH book formula, we would focus on talking about other ways to eat a low sodium/high potassium diet. We would also talk about how to balance suppliments and eating, and what blood and urine markers (other than just K/Na) to look for to help tailor YOUR OWN diet and suppliment plan to treat your individual needs of PA and the stage you are in. Recall that there is no regulation of what goes into supplements. They can and do put anything in them.DASH isnt possible for everyone. From what I have read here, noone is really actually following it to the books formula. Maybe I am wrong and just those of us who are not who talk about it. For those who dont want to think, or dont have special needs, follow DASH if you want. Dr Grim, if I am missing something that is material, please correct me. If not, can you acknowlege that it is the "low salt/high potassium" part of DASH that is what helps us with PA, and that ANY way of eating/supplimenting that meets that objective is encouraged. Likely but not really tested except here in PA.What we would want to do is to do 6 weeks on diet 1 or 2 or whatever and then 6 weeks on DASH in a large number of folks and see what happens.Everyone can do this on their own by doing a n of 1 trial. Basically you repeat the two eating plans until you are convinced that one works the best for you.Another option would be to do the 14 day DASH (if one can tolerate it) and then add stuff back till you see what you can and cannot tolerate.DASH just happens to be a simple formula that will meet that objective in a simple plan for those who can/want to use that approach. It will also cover alot of the other things like magnesium and calcium within the natural foods and minimize suppliments. But, if dairy, grain, or fruit, cause IBS...then we are not really going to absorb the nutients anyway and need to find an alternative. The rest of us or not failing to do everything we can to treat PA, just becuase we are not following DASH specifically. I want to stop feeling like I am outside the "club" just because I cant eat all the stuff on the DASH plan.The "club's" goal is to get BP and K to goal with as few meds and supplements as possible. It this fails then investigation for possible surgery would be next. CE Grim MD ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high alsoTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:37 PMSubject: Re: Do not feel well after exercise , have you read any of Loren Cordain's writing? He's the author of the Paleo Diet: http://thepaleodiet.com/faq/#basics While I hate any eating plan that uses the word "diet," I think paleo/primal eating can be compatible with DASH. Instead of the "eat your weight in bacon every day!!!" approach that some low-carb plans use, paleo tends to favor lean meats instead, and most paleo plans allow some fruit. The Perfect Health Diet (again, that awful word!) is another controlled-carb approach that allows more healthy fresh fruits and veggies than traditional low-carb. Or, hey, there's always Pollan's very sane advice (that is also DASH compliant): EAT FOOD, MOSTLY PLANTS, NOT TOO MUCH Hope some of that is helpful to you. When I first became sick I dealt with weight gain for the first time in my life, and low-carb was the only thing that worked. The fact that all the things that were making me fat were also making me sick (fructose and wheat, mainly) made it easy for me to comply with the plan; I lost 50 pounds and have kept it off for over 7 years now. Unfortunately the food intolerances also make it impossible for me to DASH. -msmith1928 Nulliparous female, 46, 5'3", 120 lbs, polymenorrhea, hyperinsulinemia, hereditary fructose intolerance, lactose intolerance, probable gluten intolerance. Current meds are K 20 MEQ 4x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg to regulate polymenorrhea, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine 180mg as needed. Low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet. Known drug allergies include PCN, sulfa, tetracycline. 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone 28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); spiro caused gynecomastia, polymenorrhea, depression, anxiety, and dizziness > > > > > >Â > >>The only way I have been able to lose weigh is to do low carb. I lost 27 lbs doing that in about 5 mo's. That was 5 years ago..right before all my PA symptoms flared up. In fact, i blamed it on that rapid weight loss forÂ a while. I am doing nothing but gaining weight since "sorta" dashing. Simply eating too many carbs for my system. I kept that weight off until the last year. I have gained about 20 lbsÂ back over the past year,Â about 12 of that in the last 4-5 months. I am the only one to blame. I simply must be eating too many calories. It is simple math. Eat less calories than you burn and you lose weight. Simple in theory, seemingly impossible forÂ me toÂ stick with unless I eat low carb and kill the carbs. I am thinking of doing it again. this time it will be low sodium. Maybe I need more K. I am certainly getting enough in my diet, but that doesnt seem to be staying with me. > >>Â > >>My Vit D level was 54.8 (30-80 normal range) on 4/28/2011. I cant see how that would be killing me, I am right in the midpoint of normal. > >> > >>============================================================================ > >>45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS. > >>Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium,Â 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole > >>Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro) > >>Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower > Pole, Right Flank Pain > >>DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011 > >>Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also > >> > >> > >>>To: hyperaldosteronism > >>>Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 4:01 PM > >>>Subject: RE: Do not feel well after exercise > >>> > >>> > >>>Â > >>>Is it possible for you to lose 42 lbs in 1 or 2 years? I suspect 100,000IU vit D is killing you! Also KCl=40 mEq/d is marginally ineffective doseâ€¦I have to take 120. > >>>Â > >>>Max. > >>>Â > >>>From:hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Brown > >>>Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 14:37 > >>>To: hyperaldosteronism > >>>Subject: Re: Do not feel well after exercise > >>>Â > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>I was just mowing lawn and trimming hedges. Now i can hardly type. My hands/arms re just shaking with fatigue. Driving me nutz. I just took another 20meq of Potassium and a 12 oz glass of low sodium V8. If that works, then i know it is low K. > >>>Â > >>>============================================================================ > >>>45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS. > >>>Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium,Â 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole > >>>Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro) > >>>Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain > >>>DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011 > >>>Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also > >>>Â > >>>>From: > >>>>To: hyperaldosteronism > >>>>Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:57 AM > >>>>Subject: Do not feel well after exercise > >>>>Â > >>>>Wondering if anyone else has a problem with exercise? I feel terrible and do not recover from aerobics or weight lifting classes? > >>>>Â > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (4) > >>Recent Activity: > >> * New Members 9 > >> * New Files 2 > >>Visit Your Group > >>MARKETPLACE > >>A bad score is 598. 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, I also can't tolerate carb laden foods and dairy. I have

insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome.

I have also put on some weight eating this way. I will go back to

low carb with high potassium vegetables. I had a baked potato

yesterday and

I feel so sick today. This morning I had potatoes for breakfast and

I am so sick and sluggish. Â I thought maybe I could tolerate eating

this way if i kept my potassium up. Now I know I can't.

I will go back to low carb but like you I wasn't eating low sodium.

I will start over again. The thing is I have bought so many carb

laden foods!!

Phyllis

Â

Yes. I have the his book and had read it a few

times. Thanks! I sometimes think khe eforgets that we

probably ate alot of bugs and worms on the paleo diet.

Not really interested in doing htat myself...lol

Â

I dont really follow any specific low carb diet

when I do it. I liked the Protein Power books and the

ideas behind them, and well as the Paleo diet

concepts. I also read Adkins books. I think all of

them are "Dash-like" compliant or at a minimum can be

modified to be that way. What I did that made this

"dashing-like" thing work is cut back on the salt. It

wasnt "DASH" that helped me, it was "low sodium diet",

period.

Â

The idea of Dash to me is less about the

servings of this or that food group being a one size

fits all people. It's helpfulÂ for us with PA because

of the low sodium eating and higher potassium. But,

lets face it. Most of us cant eat enough potassium in

natural foods to out do the losses from Aldo. We need

suppliments in most cases. I can eat a ton of spinich,

which I like ans still be low carbing if i time it

right. I can find ways to eat natural foods that are

basically Dash foods. But, if we didnt have PA, dash

would probably be easy and a heathy way of eating.

But, if you are gluten sensative or fractose

intolerant, forget it. You cant DASH by the book. Next

best thing, eat the foods that help YOU and cut the

salt.

Â

I am eating a ton of high potassium foods, and

taking perscription K suppliments, and still cant keep

enough K in me. I am eating low sodium diet. My BP is

always normal or below now. Yet, I still have issues

with muscles and I am gaining more weight. If

Dash-like or low sodium - low carb eating will help me

cut the weight back, then that is what I must do. I am

not wrapped around the DASH axle. I have listened here

and read all the materials i could find on it.

Â

It seems what really matters at the end of the

day for PA is "low sodium, high potassium", and make

sure you are getting all the electrolytes and

micro-nutrients your individual body needs..through

foods where possible.

Â

I think if the forum focused more on saying

Low-Sodium, High Potassium way of eating rather than

whether or not we are "Dashing", low carbing, or

eating worms all day, it would be more encouraging. I

am not eating 8-11 servings of grain everyday, period.

I cant have any dairy. So if that means I am not

dashing, tough. I am not failing just becuase I am not

eating what is on that "diet-books" plan framework. I

am doing what we really need to do - eating low sodium

and getting alot of potassium. Can I do better? Yup.

One way for me is to eat more meat. It satisfies me

and I dont eat as many calories that way. It lowers my

insulin levels and I drop weight. Maybe it doesnt work

for everyone, but not everyone can eat "dash" to the

letter either. I am basically saying that just because

I am honest and say I am not following DASH as

described in 's book doesnt mean I am failing to

attempt to help treat PA with diet. Dr Grim says the

pee dont lie. Right, but what you are looking at is

the K/Na ratio, not how much grain or dairyÂ I ate. And

you are only looking at what I did in the last 24hrs

or so.Â Â I could say I am dashing to the letter of the

law and if my K/Na ratio proves it, noone knows if I

am eating just meat or noodles all day long...except

me.

Â

DASH is a way to help PA, but at the end of the

day, call it what it is: Low Sodium/High Potassium. If

you can tolerate all the fruit/grain/dairy then you

can do DASH per the book if you want. I cant tolerate

all those, so I will never be doing DASH by the exact

plan in the book.

Â

IfÂ Ms was able to drop 50lbs and I was

able to drop almost 30 eating low carb, then why isnt

that something we can talk about here without feeling

like we are being perceived as not complying with the

recommendedÂ plan?

Â

My mistake on my low carb eating, which may

have very well brought PA out and made if visable is

all the damn salt I was eating. I wasnt supplimenting

Potassium and not eatingÂ K rich foods. I didnt know i

needed to be. Now I do, thanks to the forum and Dr

Grim

Â

I use to eat alot of bacon everyday, tons of

pickles, and home made soup with salt laden bullion

while doing my low carb plan.Â Good God, it is amazing

I didnt have skyrocketing BP. My blood sugar was

great.

Â

All theÂ anti-adkins yapping in the media about

eggs/fat raising cholesterol is alsoÂ pure BS. I was

eatingÂ 3-4 eggs every single day with bacon. My

cholesterol went down! I dont have high cholesterol

anyway, but i proved that eggs do not raise it, nor

high fat meats. I ate alot of steak...and the fat on

it. Chicken with all the skin and fat too...yet I lost

weight. Since I started eating foods that the low carb

plans would not allow, I have done nothing but gain

weight.

Â

If the forum wanted to really be helpful

to accomodate the variety of us on here who

"cant/wont/dont want to" follow the DASH book

formula, we would focus on talking about other ways

to eat a low sodium/high potassium diet. We would

also talk about how to balance suppliments and

eating, and what blood and urine markers (other than

just K/Na)Â to look for to help tailor YOUR OWN diet

and suppliment plan to treat your individual needs

of PA and the stage you are in. DASH isnt possible

for everyone. From what I have read here, noone is

really actually following it to the books formula.

Maybe I am wrong and just those of us who are not

who talk about it. For those who dont want to think,

or dont have special needs, follow DASH if you want.

Â

Dr Grim, if I am missing something that

isÂ material, pleaseÂ correct me. If not, can you

acknowlege that it is the "low salt/high potassium"

part of DASH that is what helps us with PA, and that

ANY way of eating/supplimenting that meets that

objective is encouraged. DASH just happens to be a

simple formula that willÂ meet that objective in a

simple plan for those who can/want to use that

approach.Â It will also cover alot of the otherÂ things

like magnesium and calcium within the natural foods

and minimize suppliments. But, if dairy, grain, or

fruit, cause IBS...thenÂ we are not really going to

absorb the nutients anyway and need to find an

alternative. The rest of us or not failing to do

everything we can to treat PA, just becuase we are not

following DASH specifically. I want to stop feeling

like I am outside the "club" just because I cant eat

all the stuff on the DASH plan.

Â

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed

2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg

Calcium,Â 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly),

20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome -

PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by

Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on

Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing

5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1.

But total of Na high also

September 18, 2011

My weight is going up, but my BP is not. "Recall that there is no regulation of what goes into supplements. They can and do put anything in them." What about perscriptions? That should be pure, right? I actually think it would be cheaper to get perscription for Mg and Ca than to buy them at Sams Club. My copay is $10. It costs me more than that as Sam's club. I just had lunch and this is what I ate: -8oz glass mo LS V8 juice-2 small tomatoes sliced with fresh ground Black Pepper-Baby Spinach steamed. Whole kettle stems down to nothing, but it was about 1 cup that I ate steamed.-About 8oz of

Grilled Sirloin steak seasoned with Mrs Dash Onion/Herb and Greek Seasoning(no salt brand)-About 10 Raw unsalted almonds If that isnt a low salt meal (dash like), I dont know what else I can do. Maybe I should consider AVS and see if just one side is causing the trouble. My BP is generally well controlled, but my other symptoms are not, at leat not since I stopped the HCTZ/Spiro combo. Not sure what HCTZ was doing, but I didnt have the muscle issues nearly as bad as I do now. I can say that after almost 3 weeks on Inspra, the gyno pain is pretty much gone. The gyno is far from gone, but at least i dont hurt. Didnt realize how much it was hurting until now that is has basically stopped

hurting. ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high alsoTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:24 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

The DASH is best supported by good trials in humans. Most of the others you discuss have not been systematically tested that I am aware of. Yes. I have the his book and had read it a few times. Thanks! I sometimes think khe eforgets that we probably ate alot of bugs and worms on the paleo diet. Not really interested in doing htat myself...lol I dont really follow any specific low carb diet when I do it. I liked the Protein Power

books and the ideas behind them, and well as the Paleo diet concepts. I also read Adkins books. I think all of them are "Dash-like" compliant or at a minimum can be modified to be that way. What I did that made this "dashing-like" thing work is cut back on the salt. It wasnt "DASH" that helped me, it was "low sodium diet", period. The idea of Dash to me is less about the servings of this or that food group being a one size fits all people. It's helpful for us with PA because of the low sodium eating and higher potassium. But, lets face it. Most of us cant eat enough potassium in natural foods to out do the losses from Aldo. We need suppliments in most cases. I can eat a ton of spinich, which I like ans still be low carbing if i time it right. I can find ways to eat natural foods that are basically Dash foods. But, if we didnt have PA, dash would probably be easy and a heathy way of eating. But,

if you are gluten sensative or fractose intolerant, forget it. You cant DASH by the book. Next best thing, eat the foods that help YOU and cut the salt. I am eating a ton of high potassium foods, and taking perscription K suppliments, and still cant keep enough K in me. Again suspect by the high salt intake you are driving the Urine K loss which aldo reabsorbs Na, No salt in diet no K loss - mostly. Many here have been able to stop K supplements with DASH and/or MCRBs. I am eating low sodium diet. My BP is

always normal or below now. Yet, I still have issues with muscles and I am gaining more weight. If Dash-like or low sodium - low carb eating will help me cut the weight back, then that is what I must do. I am not wrapped around the DASH axle. I have listened here and read all the materials i could find on it. Following the DASH diet and adjusting calories you can lose weight or keep weight the same (as was done during the DASH studies so changes in BP were not due to changes in weight) or increase weight. DASH did not test if gaining wt on DASH changes BP. It seems what really matters at the end of the day for PA is "low sodium, high potassium", and make sure you are getting all the electrolytes and micro-nutrients your individual body needs..through foods where possible. I think if the forum focused more on saying Low-Sodium, High Potassium way of eating rather than whether or not we are "Dashing", low carbing, or eating worms all day, it would be more encouraging. I am not eating 8-11 servings of grain everyday, period. Likely but has not been tested except with the Rice diet at ricediet.comI cant have any dairy. So if that means I am not dashing, tough. I am not failing just becuase I am not eating what is on that "diet-books" plan framework. I am doing what we really need to do - eating low sodium and getting alot of potassium. Can I do better? Yup. One way for me is to eat more meat. It satisfies me and I dont eat as many calories that way. It lowers my insulin levels and I drop weight. Maybe it doesnt work for everyone, but not everyone can eat "dash" to the letter either. I am basically saying that just because I am honest and say I am not following DASH as described in 's book doesnt mean I am failing to attempt to help treat PA with diet. Dr Grim says the pee dont lie. Right, but what you are looking at is the K/Na ratio, not how much grain or dairy I ate. And you are only looking at what I did in the last 24hrs or so. I could say I am dashing to

the letter of the law and if my K/Na ratio proves it, noone knows if I am eating just meat or noodles all day long...except me. As discussed before first get the ratio right (more K than Na in urine) which you have done and next get the total sodium lower which you are working on. Keep at it. DASH is a way to help PA, but at the end of the day, call it what it is: Low Sodium/High Potassium. If you can tolerate all the fruit/grain/dairy then you can do DASH per the book if you want. I cant tolerate all those, so I will never be doing DASH by the exact plan in

the book. If Ms was able to drop 50lbs and I was able to drop almost 30 eating low carb, then why isnt that something we can talk about here without feeling like we are being perceived as not complying with the recommended plan? My mistake on my low carb eating, which may have very well brought PA out and made if visable is all the damn salt I was eating. I wasnt supplimenting Potassium and not eating K rich foods. I didnt know i needed to be. Now I do, thanks to the forum and Dr Grim I use to eat alot of bacon everyday, tons of pickles, and home made soup with salt laden bullion while doing my low carb plan. Good God, it is amazing I didnt have skyrocketing BP. My blood sugar was great. All the anti-adkins

yapping in the media about eggs/fat raising cholesterol is also pure BS. I was eating 3-4 eggs every single day with bacon. My cholesterol went down! I dont have high cholesterol anyway, but i proved that eggs do not raise it, nor high fat meats. I ate alot of steak...and the fat on it. Chicken with all the skin and fat too...yet I lost weight. Since I started eating foods that the low carb plans would not allow, I have done nothing but gain weight. If the forum wanted to really be helpful to accomodate the variety of us on here who "cant/wont/dont want to" follow the DASH book formula, we would focus on talking about other ways to eat a low sodium/high potassium diet. We would also talk about how to balance suppliments and eating, and what blood and urine markers (other than just K/Na) to look for to help tailor YOUR OWN diet and suppliment plan to treat your individual needs of

PA and the stage you are in. Recall that there is no regulation of what goes into supplements. They can and do put anything in them.DASH isnt possible for everyone. From what I have read here, noone is really actually following it to the books formula. Maybe I am wrong and just those of us who are not who talk about it. For those who dont want to think, or dont have special needs, follow DASH if you want. Dr Grim, if I am missing something that is material,

please correct me. If not, can you acknowlege that it is the "low salt/high potassium" part of DASH that is what helps us with PA, and that ANY way of eating/supplimenting that meets that objective is encouraged. Likely but not really tested except here in PA.What we would want to do is to do 6 weeks on diet 1 or 2 or whatever and then 6 weeks on DASH in a large number of folks and see what happens.Everyone can do this on their own by doing a n of 1 trial. Basically you repeat the two eating plans until you are convinced that one works the best for you.Another option would be to do the 14 day DASH (if one can tolerate it) and then add stuff back till you see what you can and cannot tolerate.DASH just happens to be a simple formula that will meet that objective in a simple plan for those who can/want to use that approach. It will also cover alot of the other things like magnesium and calcium within the natural foods and minimize suppliments. But, if dairy, grain, or fruit, cause IBS...then we are not really going to absorb the nutients anyway and need to find an alternative. The rest of us or not failing to do everything we can to treat PA, just becuase we are not following DASH specifically. I want to stop feeling like I am outside the "club" just because I cant eat all the stuff on the DASH plan.The "club's" goal is to get

BP and K to goal with as few meds and supplements as possible. It this fails then investigation for possible surgery would be next. CE Grim MD ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From

Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high alsoTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:37 PMSubject: Re: Do not feel well after exercise , have you read any of Loren Cordain's writing? He's the author of the Paleo Diet: http://thepaleodiet.com/faq/#basics While I hate any eating plan that uses the word "diet," I think paleo/primal eating can be

compatible with DASH. Instead of the "eat your weight in bacon every day!!!" approach that some low-carb plans use, paleo tends to favor lean meats instead, and most paleo plans allow some fruit. The Perfect Health Diet (again, that awful word!) is another controlled-carb approach that allows more healthy fresh fruits and veggies than traditional low-carb. Or, hey, there's always Pollan's very sane advice (that is also DASH compliant): EAT FOOD, MOSTLY PLANTS, NOT TOO MUCH Hope some of that is helpful to you. When I first became sick I dealt with weight gain for the first time in my life, and low-carb was the only thing that worked. The fact that all the things that were making me fat were also making me sick (fructose and wheat, mainly) made it easy for me to comply with the plan; I lost 50 pounds and have kept it off for over 7 years now. Unfortunately the food intolerances also make it impossible for me to

DASH. -msmith1928 Nulliparous female, 46, 5'3", 120 lbs, polymenorrhea, hyperinsulinemia, hereditary fructose intolerance, lactose intolerance, probable gluten intolerance. Current meds are K 20 MEQ 4x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg to regulate polymenorrhea, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine 180mg as needed. Low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet. Known drug allergies include PCN, sulfa, tetracycline. 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone 28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); spiro caused gynecomastia, polymenorrhea, depression, anxiety, and dizziness > > > > > >Ã‚ > >>The only way I have been able to lose weigh is to do low carb. I lost 27 lbs doing that in about 5 mo's. That was 5 years ago..right before all my PA symptoms flared up. In fact, i blamed it on that rapid weight loss forÃ‚ a while. I am doing nothing but gaining weight since "sorta" dashing. Simply eating too many carbs for my system. I kept that weight off until the last year. I have gained about 20 lbsÃ‚ back over the past year,Ã‚ about 12 of that in the last 4-5 months. I am the only one to blame. I simply must be eating too many calories. It is simple math. Eat less calories than you burn and you lose weight. Simple in theory, seemingly impossible

forÃ‚ me toÃ‚ stick with unless I eat low carb and kill the carbs. I am thinking of doing it again. this time it will be low sodium. Maybe I need more K. I am certainly getting enough in my diet, but that doesnt seem to be staying with me. > >>Ã‚ > >>My Vit D level was 54.8 (30-80 normal range) on 4/28/2011. I cant see how that would be killing me, I am right in the midpoint of normal. > >> > >>============================================================================ > >>45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS. > >>Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium,Ã‚ 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole > >>Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro) > >>Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic,

Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower > Pole, Right Flank Pain > >>DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011 > >>Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also > >> > >> > >>>To: hyperaldosteronism > >>>Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 4:01 PM > >>>Subject: RE: Do not feel well after exercise > >>> > >>> > >>>Ã‚ > >>>Is it possible for you to lose 42 lbs in 1 or 2 years? I suspect 100,000IU vit D is killing you!

Also KCl=40 mEq/d is marginally ineffective doseÃ¢â‚¬Â¦I have to take 120. > >>>Ã‚ > >>>Max. > >>>Ã‚ > >>>From:hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Brown > >>>Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 14:37 > >>>To: hyperaldosteronism > >>>Subject: Re: Do not feel well after exercise > >>>Ã‚

> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>I was just mowing lawn and trimming hedges. Now i can hardly type. My hands/arms re just shaking with fatigue. Driving me nutz. I just took another 20meq of Potassium and a 12 oz glass of low sodium V8. If that works, then i know it is low K. > >>>Ã‚ > >>>============================================================================ > >>>45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS. > >>>Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium,Ã‚ 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole > >>>Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro) > >>>Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium

leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain > >>>DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011 > >>>Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high also > >>>Ã‚ > >>>>From: > >>>>To: hyperaldosteronism > >>>>Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:57 AM > >>>>Subject: Do not feel well after exercise > >>>>Ã‚ > >>>>Wondering if anyone else has a problem with exercise? I feel terrible and do not recover from aerobics or weight lifting classes? > >>>>Ã‚ >

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September 18, 2011

I dont know that low carb is the solution, but I dont know how else to eat less. I cant have dairy, and I am not convinced that wheat is good for me, even though they tell me I didnt have celiac on the blood test or biopsy. I like bread, but not sure it likes me. I almost always have loose stool. Not sure why, but it cant be helping my electrolytes. My sister has Crohns. I have had CT's with contrast and swallowing all kinds of yummy contrast. Nothing shows up. Yet, 1/2 the pills I take could all cause IBS symptoms. I know for a fact the magnesium is a problem. The cheap junk I bought last time is nasty on me. Sometimes I want to just stop taking everything and see what happens. Mostly see what happens if i do that and watch the sodium intake. I just want my arms

and hands to work right. I'll take all the other symptoms, just gimme my hands back so I can play my guitar. Soooo frustrating. ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation (From Spiro)Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank PainDASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011Status:

Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1. But total of Na high alsoTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:07 PMSubject: Re: Re:

Do not feel well after exercise

, I also can't tolerate carb laden foods and dairy. I have

insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome.

I have also put on some weight eating this way. I will go back to

low carb with high potassium vegetables. I had a baked potato

yesterday and

I feel so sick today. This morning I had potatoes for breakfast and

I am so sick and sluggish. I thought maybe I could tolerate eating

this way if i kept my potassium up. Now I know I can't.

I will go back to low carb but like you I wasn't eating low sodium.

I will start over again. The thing is I have bought so many carb

laden foods!!

Phyllis

Yes. I have the his book and had read it a few

times. Thanks! I sometimes think khe eforgets that we

probably ate alot of bugs and worms on the paleo diet.

Not really interested in doing htat myself...lol

I dont really follow any specific low carb diet

when I do it. I liked the Protein Power books and the

ideas behind them, and well as the Paleo diet

concepts. I also read Adkins books. I think all of

them are "Dash-like" compliant or at a minimum can be

modified to be that way. What I did that made this

"dashing-like" thing work is cut back on the salt. It

wasnt "DASH" that helped me, it was "low sodium diet",

period.

The idea of Dash to me is less about the

servings of this or that food group being a one size

fits all people. It's helpful for us with PA because

of the low sodium eating and higher potassium. But,

lets face it. Most of us cant eat enough potassium in

natural foods to out do the losses from Aldo. We need

suppliments in most cases. I can eat a ton of spinich,

which I like ans still be low carbing if i time it

right. I can find ways to eat natural foods that are

basically Dash foods. But, if we didnt have PA, dash

would probably be easy and a heathy way of eating.

But, if you are gluten sensative or fractose

intolerant, forget it. You cant DASH by the book. Next

best thing, eat the foods that help YOU and cut the

salt.

I am eating a ton of high potassium foods, and

taking perscription K suppliments, and still cant keep

enough K in me. I am eating low sodium diet. My BP is

always normal or below now. Yet, I still have issues

with muscles and I am gaining more weight. If

Dash-like or low sodium - low carb eating will help me

cut the weight back, then that is what I must do. I am

not wrapped around the DASH axle. I have listened here

and read all the materials i could find on it.

It seems what really matters at the end of the

day for PA is "low sodium, high potassium", and make

sure you are getting all the electrolytes and

micro-nutrients your individual body needs..through

foods where possible.

I think if the forum focused more on saying

Low-Sodium, High Potassium way of eating rather than

whether or not we are "Dashing", low carbing, or

eating worms all day, it would be more encouraging. I

am not eating 8-11 servings of grain everyday, period.

I cant have any dairy. So if that means I am not

dashing, tough. I am not failing just becuase I am not

eating what is on that "diet-books" plan framework. I

am doing what we really need to do - eating low sodium

and getting alot of potassium. Can I do better? Yup.

One way for me is to eat more meat. It satisfies me

and I dont eat as many calories that way. It lowers my

insulin levels and I drop weight. Maybe it doesnt work

for everyone, but not everyone can eat "dash" to the

letter either. I am basically saying that just because

I am honest and say I am not following DASH as

described in 's book doesnt mean I am failing to

attempt to help treat PA with diet. Dr Grim says the

pee dont lie. Right, but what you are looking at is

the K/Na ratio, not how much grain or dairy I ate. And

you are only looking at what I did in the last 24hrs

or so. I could say I am dashing to the letter of the

law and if my K/Na ratio proves it, noone knows if I

am eating just meat or noodles all day long...except

me.

DASH is a way to help PA, but at the end of the

day, call it what it is: Low Sodium/High Potassium. If

you can tolerate all the fruit/grain/dairy then you

can do DASH per the book if you want. I cant tolerate

all those, so I will never be doing DASH by the exact

plan in the book.

If Ms was able to drop 50lbs and I was

able to drop almost 30 eating low carb, then why isnt

that something we can talk about here without feeling

like we are being perceived as not complying with the

recommended plan?

My mistake on my low carb eating, which may

have very well brought PA out and made if visable is

all the damn salt I was eating. I wasnt supplimenting

Potassium and not eating K rich foods. I didnt know i

needed to be. Now I do, thanks to the forum and Dr

Grim

I use to eat alot of bacon everyday, tons of

pickles, and home made soup with salt laden bullion

while doing my low carb plan. Good God, it is amazing

I didnt have skyrocketing BP. My blood sugar was

great.

All the anti-adkins yapping in the media about

eggs/fat raising cholesterol is also pure BS. I was

eating 3-4 eggs every single day with bacon. My

cholesterol went down! I dont have high cholesterol

anyway, but i proved that eggs do not raise it, nor

high fat meats. I ate alot of steak...and the fat on

it. Chicken with all the skin and fat too...yet I lost

weight. Since I started eating foods that the low carb

plans would not allow, I have done nothing but gain

weight.

If the forum wanted to really be helpful

to accomodate the variety of us on here who

"cant/wont/dont want to" follow the DASH book

formula, we would focus on talking about other ways

to eat a low sodium/high potassium diet. We would

also talk about how to balance suppliments and

eating, and what blood and urine markers (other than

just K/Na) to look for to help tailor YOUR OWN diet

and suppliment plan to treat your individual needs

of PA and the stage you are in. DASH isnt possible

for everyone. From what I have read here, noone is

really actually following it to the books formula.

Maybe I am wrong and just those of us who are not

who talk about it. For those who dont want to think,

or dont have special needs, follow DASH if you want.

Dr Grim, if I am missing something that

is material, please correct me. If not, can you

acknowlege that it is the "low salt/high potassium"

part of DASH that is what helps us with PA, and that

ANY way of eating/supplimenting that meets that

objective is encouraged. DASH just happens to be a

simple formula that will meet that objective in a

simple plan for those who can/want to use that

approach. It will also cover alot of the other things

like magnesium and calcium within the natural foods

and minimize suppliments. But, if dairy, grain, or

fruit, cause IBS...then we are not really going to

absorb the nutients anyway and need to find an

alternative. The rest of us or not failing to do

everything we can to treat PA, just becuase we are not

following DASH specifically. I want to stop feeling

like I am outside the "club" just because I cant eat

all the stuff on the DASH plan.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed

2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg

Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly),

20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome -

PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by

Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on

Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing

5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1.

But total of Na high also

September 19, 2011

Natalia,How does cheese fit into your plan? I recently learned Swiss andÂ MuensterÂ are naturally low sodium.

Â

The problem with eating a lot of meat and poultry is that they themselves contain a lot of sodium.

When pure carbs don't. I also have diabetes and also have the same problem as and Phyliss, nevertheless eating more meat is not a wayto diet. Then you HAVE to very carefully watch meat's labels, what is seldom possible. Fish is much better, it usually has label

and contains 90% less sodium.Natalia

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Â

, I also can't tolerate carb laden foods and dairy. I have

insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome.

I have also put on some weight eating this way. I will go back to

low carb with high potassium vegetables. I had a baked potato

yesterday and

I feel so sick today. This morning I had potatoes for breakfast and

I am so sick and sluggish. Â I thought maybe I could tolerate eating

this way if i kept my potassium up. Now I know I can't.

I will go back to low carb but like you I wasn't eating low sodium.

I will start over again. The thing is I have bought so many carb

laden foods!!

Phyllis

Â

Yes. I have the his book and had read it a few

times. Thanks! I sometimes think khe eforgets that we

probably ate alot of bugs and worms on the paleo diet.

Not really interested in doing htat myself...lol

Â

I dont really follow any specific low carb diet

when I do it. I liked the Protein Power books and the

ideas behind them, and well as the Paleo diet

concepts. I also read Adkins books. I think all of

them are " Dash-like " compliant or at a minimum can be

modified to be that way. What I did that made this

" dashing-like " thing work is cut back on the salt. It

wasnt " DASH " that helped me, it was " low sodium diet " ,

period.

Â

The idea of Dash to me is less about the

servings of this or that food group being a one size

fits all people. It's helpfulÂ for us with PA because

of the low sodium eating and higher potassium. But,

lets face it. Most of us cant eat enough potassium in

natural foods to out do the losses from Aldo. We need

suppliments in most cases. I can eat a ton of spinich,

which I like ans still be low carbing if i time it

right. I can find ways to eat natural foods that are

basically Dash foods. But, if we didnt have PA, dash

would probably be easy and a heathy way of eating.

But, if you are gluten sensative or fractose

intolerant, forget it. You cant DASH by the book. Next

best thing, eat the foods that help YOU and cut the

salt.

Â

I am eating a ton of high potassium foods, and

taking perscription K suppliments, and still cant keep

enough K in me. I am eating low sodium diet. My BP is

always normal or below now. Yet, I still have issues

with muscles and I am gaining more weight. If

Dash-like or low sodium - low carb eating will help me

cut the weight back, then that is what I must do. I am

not wrapped around the DASH axle. I have listened here

and read all the materials i could find on it.

Â

It seems what really matters at the end of the

day for PA is " low sodium, high potassium " , and make

sure you are getting all the electrolytes and

micro-nutrients your individual body needs..through

foods where possible.

Â

I think if the forum focused more on saying

Low-Sodium, High Potassium way of eating rather than

whether or not we are " Dashing " , low carbing, or

eating worms all day, it would be more encouraging. I

am not eating 8-11 servings of grain everyday, period.

I cant have any dairy. So if that means I am not

dashing, tough. I am not failing just becuase I am not

eating what is on that " diet-books " plan framework. I

am doing what we really need to do - eating low sodium

and getting alot of potassium. Can I do better? Yup.

One way for me is to eat more meat. It satisfies me

and I dont eat as many calories that way. It lowers my

insulin levels and I drop weight. Maybe it doesnt work

for everyone, but not everyone can eat " dash " to the

letter either. I am basically saying that just because

I am honest and say I am not following DASH as

described in 's book doesnt mean I am failing to

attempt to help treat PA with diet. Dr Grim says the

pee dont lie. Right, but what you are looking at is

the K/Na ratio, not how much grain or dairyÂ I ate. And

you are only looking at what I did in the last 24hrs

or so.Â Â I could say I am dashing to the letter of the

law and if my K/Na ratio proves it, noone knows if I

am eating just meat or noodles all day long...except

me.

Â

DASH is a way to help PA, but at the end of the

day, call it what it is: Low Sodium/High Potassium. If

you can tolerate all the fruit/grain/dairy then you

can do DASH per the book if you want. I cant tolerate

all those, so I will never be doing DASH by the exact

plan in the book.

Â

IfÂ Ms was able to drop 50lbs and I was

able to drop almost 30 eating low carb, then why isnt

that something we can talk about here without feeling

like we are being perceived as not complying with the

recommendedÂ plan?

Â

My mistake on my low carb eating, which may

have very well brought PA out and made if visable is

all the damn salt I was eating. I wasnt supplimenting

Potassium and not eatingÂ K rich foods. I didnt know i

needed to be. Now I do, thanks to the forum and Dr

Grim

Â

I use to eat alot of bacon everyday, tons of

pickles, and home made soup with salt laden bullion

while doing my low carb plan.Â Good God, it is amazing

I didnt have skyrocketing BP. My blood sugar was

great.

Â

All theÂ anti-adkins yapping in the media about

eggs/fat raising cholesterol is alsoÂ pure BS. I was

eatingÂ 3-4 eggs every single day with bacon. My

cholesterol went down! I dont have high cholesterol

anyway, but i proved that eggs do not raise it, nor

high fat meats. I ate alot of steak...and the fat on

it. Chicken with all the skin and fat too...yet I lost

weight. Since I started eating foods that the low carb

plans would not allow, I have done nothing but gain

weight.

Â

If the forum wanted to really be helpful

to accomodate the variety of us on here who

" cant/wont/dont want to " follow the DASH book

formula, we would focus on talking about other ways

to eat a low sodium/high potassium diet. We would

also talk about how to balance suppliments and

eating, and what blood and urine markers (other than

just K/Na)Â to look for to help tailor YOUR OWN diet

and suppliment plan to treat your individual needs

of PA and the stage you are in. DASH isnt possible

for everyone. From what I have read here, noone is

really actually following it to the books formula.

Maybe I am wrong and just those of us who are not

who talk about it. For those who dont want to think,

or dont have special needs, follow DASH if you want.

Â

Dr Grim, if I am missing something that

isÂ material, pleaseÂ correct me. If not, can you

acknowlege that it is the " low salt/high potassium "

part of DASH that is what helps us with PA, and that

ANY way of eating/supplimenting that meets that

objective is encouraged. DASH just happens to be a

simple formula that willÂ meet that objective in a

simple plan for those who can/want to use that

approach.Â It will also cover alot of the otherÂ things

like magnesium and calcium within the natural foods

and minimize suppliments. But, if dairy, grain, or

fruit, cause IBS...thenÂ we are not really going to

absorb the nutients anyway and need to find an

alternative. The rest of us or not failing to do

everything we can to treat PA, just becuase we are not

following DASH specifically. I want to stop feeling

like I am outside the " club " just because I cant eat

all the stuff on the DASH plan.

Â

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9 " - 242lbs, PA Diagnosed

2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg

Calcium,Â 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly),

20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome -

PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by

Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on

Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started " sort of " DASHing

5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1.

But total of Na high also

September 19, 2011

Natalia, I have insulin resistance. A lot of carbs will kill me . I

can't do the carbs , I am so sick now.

Today I had a little bit more protein and less fructose carbs. I had

tomatoes, zucchini, cucumbers,

I will see how I feel.

Â

Natalia,

How does cheese fit into

your plan? I recently learned Swiss andÂ MuensterÂ are

naturally low sodium.

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 6:14 PM,

Natalia Kamneva

wrote:

Â

The problem with eating a lot of

meat and poultry is that they themselves

contain a lot of sodium.

When pure carbs don't.

I also have diabetes and also

have the same problem as and

Phyliss, nevertheless eating more meat

is not a way

to diet. Then you HAVE to very

carefully watch meat's labels, what is

seldom possible. Fish is much better, it

usually has label

and contains 90% less sodium.

Natalia

From:

Phyllis

To:

hyperaldosteronism

Sent:

Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:07 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not

feel well after exercise

Â

, I also can't

tolerate carb laden foods and

dairy. I have insulin

resistance and metabolic

syndrome.

I have also put on some weight

eating this way. I will go

back to low carb with high

potassium vegetables. I had a

baked potato yesterday and

I feel so sick today. This

morning I had potatoes for

breakfast and I am so sick and

sluggish. Â I thought maybe I

could tolerate eating this way

if i kept my potassium up. Now

I know I can't.

I will go back to low carb but

like you I wasn't eating low

sodium. I will start over

again. The thing is I have

bought so many carb laden

foods!!

Phyllis

On 9/18/2011 12:25 PM,

Brown wrote:

Â

Yes. I have the

his book and had read

it a few times.

Thanks! I sometimes

think khe eforgets

that we probably ate

alot of bugs and worms

on the paleo diet. Not

really interested in

doing htat

myself...lol

Â

I dont really

follow any specific

low carb diet when I

do it. I liked the

Protein Power books

and the ideas behind

them, and well as the

Paleo diet concepts. I

also read Adkins

books. I think all of

them are "Dash-like"

compliant or at a

minimum can be

modified to be that

way. What I did that

made this

"dashing-like" thing

work is cut back on

the salt. It wasnt

"DASH" that helped me,

it was "low sodium

diet", period.

Â

The idea of

Dash to me is less

about the servings of

this or that food

group being a one size

fits all people. It's

helpfulÂ for us with PA

because of the low

sodium eating and

higher potassium. But,

lets face it. Most of

us cant eat enough

potassium in natural

foods to out do the

losses from Aldo. We

need suppliments in

most cases. I can eat

a ton of spinich,

which I like ans still

be low carbing if i

time it right. I can

find ways to eat

natural foods that are

basically Dash foods.

But, if we didnt have

PA, dash would

probably be easy and a

heathy way of eating.

But, if you are gluten

sensative or fractose

intolerant, forget it.

You cant DASH by the

book. Next best thing,

eat the foods that

help YOU and cut the

salt.

Â

I am eating a

ton of high potassium

foods, and taking

perscription K

suppliments, and still

cant keep enough K in

me. I am eating low

sodium diet. My BP is

always normal or below

now. Yet, I still have

issues with muscles

and I am gaining more

weight. If Dash-like

or low sodium - low

carb eating will help

me cut the weight

back, then that is

what I must do. I am

not wrapped around the

DASH axle. I have

listened here and read

all the materials i

could find on it.

Â

It seems what

really matters at the

end of the day for PA

is "low sodium, high

potassium", and make

sure you are getting

all the electrolytes

and micro-nutrients

your individual body

needs..through foods

where possible.

Â

I think if the

forum focused more on

saying Low-Sodium,

High Potassium way of

eating rather than

whether or not we are

"Dashing", low

carbing, or eating

worms all day, it

would be more

encouraging. I am not

eating 8-11 servings

of grain everyday,

period. I cant have

any dairy. So if that

means I am not

dashing, tough. I am

not failing just

becuase I am not

eating what is on that

"diet-books" plan

framework. I am doing

what we really need to

do - eating low sodium

and getting alot of

potassium. Can I do

better? Yup. One way

for me is to eat more

meat. It satisfies me

and I dont eat as many

calories that way. It

lowers my insulin

levels and I drop

weight. Maybe it

doesnt work for

everyone, but not

everyone can eat

"dash" to the letter

either. I am basically

saying that just

because I am honest

and say I am not

following DASH as

described in 's

book doesnt mean I am

failing to attempt to

help treat PA with

diet. Dr Grim says the

pee dont lie. Right,

but what you are

looking at is the K/Na

ratio, not how much

grain or dairyÂ I ate.

And you are only

looking at what I did

in the last 24hrs or

so.Â Â I could say I am

dashing to the letter

of the law and if my

K/Na ratio proves it,

noone knows if I am

eating just meat or

noodles all day

long...except me.

Â

DASH is a way

to help PA, but at the

end of the day, call

it what it is: Low

Sodium/High Potassium.

If you can tolerate

all the

fruit/grain/dairy then

you can do DASH per

the book if you want.

I cant tolerate all

those, so I will never

be doing DASH by the

exact plan in the

book.

Â

IfÂ Ms was

able to drop 50lbs and

I was able to drop

almost 30 eating low

carb, then why isnt

that something we can

talk about here

without feeling like

we are being perceived

as not complying with

the recommendedÂ plan?

Â

My mistake on

my low carb eating,

which may have very

well brought PA out

and made if visable is

all the damn salt I

was eating. I wasnt

supplimenting

Potassium and not

eatingÂ K rich foods. I

didnt know i needed to

be. Now I do, thanks

to the forum and Dr

Grim

Â

I use to eat

alot of bacon

everyday, tons of

pickles, and home made

soup with salt laden

bullion while doing my

low carb plan.Â Good

God, it is amazing I

didnt have

skyrocketing BP. My

blood sugar was great.

Â

All

theÂ anti-adkins

yapping in the media

about eggs/fat raising

cholesterol is

alsoÂ pure BS. I was

eatingÂ 3-4 eggs every

single day with bacon.

My cholesterol went

down! I dont have high

cholesterol anyway,

but i proved that eggs

do not raise it, nor

high fat meats. I ate

alot of steak...and

the fat on it. Chicken

with all the skin and

fat too...yet I lost

weight. Since I

started eating foods

that the low carb

plans would not allow,

I have done nothing

but gain weight.

Â

If the

forum wanted to

really be helpful to

accomodate the

variety of us on

here who

"cant/wont/dont want

to" follow the DASH

book formula, we

would focus on

talking about other

ways to eat a low

sodium/high

potassium diet. We

would also talk

about how to balance

suppliments and

eating, and what

blood and urine

markers (other than

just K/Na)Â to look

for to help tailor

YOUR OWN diet and

suppliment plan to

treat your

individual needs of

PA and the stage you

are in. DASH isnt

possible for

everyone. From what

I have read here,

noone is really

actually following

it to the books

formula. Maybe I am

wrong and just those

of us who are not

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want to think, or

dont have special

needs, follow DASH

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Dr Grim, if I

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not, can you

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that ANY way of

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objective is

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also cover alot of the

otherÂ things like

magnesium and calcium

within the natural

foods and minimize

suppliments. But, if

dairy, grain, or

fruit, cause

IBS...thenÂ we are not

really going to absorb

the nutients anyway

and need to find an

alternative. The rest

of us or not failing

to do everything we

can to treat PA, just

becuase we are not

following DASH

specifically. I want

to stop feeling like I

am outside the "club"

just because I cant

eat all the stuff on

the DASH plan.

Â

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian,

5'9"- 242lbs, PA

Diagnosed 2007

Suspected

Hyperplasia-No tumors

on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg

Inspra, 40meq

Potassium, 1800mg

Calcium,Â 1000mg

Magnesium, 100,000UI

Vit D (weekly), 20mg

Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia,

stomach inflammation

(From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD,

Hiatal Hernia,

Metabolic Syndrome -

PreDiabetic, Secondary

Hyperparathyroidism

caused by Renal

calcium leak, Bone

Cyct in left Femoral

Head and Pelvis.

Benign Lung Nodules,

Fibromyalgia, Scarring

on Right Kidney Lower

Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH:

Started "sort

of" DASHing

5/3/2011

Status: Last

Urine K/Na ratio was

1.1. But total of Na

high also

September 19, 2011

Thank you, Don!It's exactly what I wanted to learn : about cheese and sodium, since no labels on it!I eat a lot of cheese, I would say it's my main protein. I thought that Jarlsberg and Mozzarela are low sodium, but it's mypure impression, no real knowledge of a subject. I will try now Swiss and Muenster. What I also figured out - I eat cheese without bread or with Matzos, that contains 0 sodium, since cheese and bread already too much sodium.Many thanks,NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 6:39 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

Natalia,How does cheese fit into your plan? I recently learned Swiss and Muenster are naturally low sodium.

The problem with eating a lot of meat and poultry is that they themselves contain a lot of sodium.

When pure carbs don't. I also have diabetes and also have the same problem as and Phyliss, nevertheless eating more meat is not a wayto diet. Then you HAVE to very carefully watch meat's labels, what is seldom possible. Fish is much better, it usually has label

and contains 90% less sodium.Natalia

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

, I also can't tolerate carb laden foods and dairy. I have

insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome.

I have also put on some weight eating this way. I will go back to

low carb with high potassium vegetables. I had a baked potato

yesterday and

I feel so sick today. This morning I had potatoes for breakfast and

I am so sick and sluggish. I thought maybe I could tolerate eating

this way if i kept my potassium up. Now I know I can't.

I will go back to low carb but like you I wasn't eating low sodium.

I will start over again. The thing is I have bought so many carb

laden foods!!

Phyllis

Yes. I have the his book and had read it a few

times. Thanks! I sometimes think khe eforgets that we

probably ate alot of bugs and worms on the paleo diet.

Not really interested in doing htat myself...lol

I dont really follow any specific low carb diet

when I do it. I liked the Protein Power books and the

ideas behind them, and well as the Paleo diet

concepts. I also read Adkins books. I think all of

them are "Dash-like" compliant or at a minimum can be

modified to be that way. What I did that made this

"dashing-like" thing work is cut back on the salt. It

wasnt "DASH" that helped me, it was "low sodium diet",

period.

The idea of Dash to me is less about the

servings of this or that food group being a one size

fits all people. It's helpful for us with PA because

of the low sodium eating and higher potassium. But,

lets face it. Most of us cant eat enough potassium in

natural foods to out do the losses from Aldo. We need

suppliments in most cases. I can eat a ton of spinich,

which I like ans still be low carbing if i time it

right. I can find ways to eat natural foods that are

basically Dash foods. But, if we didnt have PA, dash

would probably be easy and a heathy way of eating.

But, if you are gluten sensative or fractose

intolerant, forget it. You cant DASH by the book. Next

best thing, eat the foods that help YOU and cut the

salt.

I am eating a ton of high potassium foods, and

taking perscription K suppliments, and still cant keep

enough K in me. I am eating low sodium diet. My BP is

always normal or below now. Yet, I still have issues

with muscles and I am gaining more weight. If

Dash-like or low sodium - low carb eating will help me

cut the weight back, then that is what I must do. I am

not wrapped around the DASH axle. I have listened here

and read all the materials i could find on it.

It seems what really matters at the end of the

day for PA is "low sodium, high potassium", and make

sure you are getting all the electrolytes and

micro-nutrients your individual body needs..through

foods where possible.

I think if the forum focused more on saying

Low-Sodium, High Potassium way of eating rather than

whether or not we are "Dashing", low carbing, or

eating worms all day, it would be more encouraging. I

am not eating 8-11 servings of grain everyday, period.

I cant have any dairy. So if that means I am not

dashing, tough. I am not failing just becuase I am not

eating what is on that "diet-books" plan framework. I

am doing what we really need to do - eating low sodium

and getting alot of potassium. Can I do better? Yup.

One way for me is to eat more meat. It satisfies me

and I dont eat as many calories that way. It lowers my

insulin levels and I drop weight. Maybe it doesnt work

for everyone, but not everyone can eat "dash" to the

letter either. I am basically saying that just because

I am honest and say I am not following DASH as

described in 's book doesnt mean I am failing to

attempt to help treat PA with diet. Dr Grim says the

pee dont lie. Right, but what you are looking at is

the K/Na ratio, not how much grain or dairy I ate. And

you are only looking at what I did in the last 24hrs

or so. I could say I am dashing to the letter of the

law and if my K/Na ratio proves it, noone knows if I

am eating just meat or noodles all day long...except

me.

DASH is a way to help PA, but at the end of the

day, call it what it is: Low Sodium/High Potassium. If

you can tolerate all the fruit/grain/dairy then you

can do DASH per the book if you want. I cant tolerate

all those, so I will never be doing DASH by the exact

plan in the book.

If Ms was able to drop 50lbs and I was

able to drop almost 30 eating low carb, then why isnt

that something we can talk about here without feeling

like we are being perceived as not complying with the

recommended plan?

My mistake on my low carb eating, which may

have very well brought PA out and made if visable is

all the damn salt I was eating. I wasnt supplimenting

Potassium and not eating K rich foods. I didnt know i

needed to be. Now I do, thanks to the forum and Dr

Grim

I use to eat alot of bacon everyday, tons of

pickles, and home made soup with salt laden bullion

while doing my low carb plan. Good God, it is amazing

I didnt have skyrocketing BP. My blood sugar was

great.

All the anti-adkins yapping in the media about

eggs/fat raising cholesterol is also pure BS. I was

eating 3-4 eggs every single day with bacon. My

cholesterol went down! I dont have high cholesterol

anyway, but i proved that eggs do not raise it, nor

high fat meats. I ate alot of steak...and the fat on

it. Chicken with all the skin and fat too...yet I lost

weight. Since I started eating foods that the low carb

plans would not allow, I have done nothing but gain

weight.

If the forum wanted to really be helpful

to accomodate the variety of us on here who

"cant/wont/dont want to" follow the DASH book

formula, we would focus on talking about other ways

to eat a low sodium/high potassium diet. We would

also talk about how to balance suppliments and

eating, and what blood and urine markers (other than

just K/Na) to look for to help tailor YOUR OWN diet

and suppliment plan to treat your individual needs

of PA and the stage you are in. DASH isnt possible

for everyone. From what I have read here, noone is

really actually following it to the books formula.

Maybe I am wrong and just those of us who are not

who talk about it. For those who dont want to think,

or dont have special needs, follow DASH if you want.

Dr Grim, if I am missing something that

is material, please correct me. If not, can you

acknowlege that it is the "low salt/high potassium"

part of DASH that is what helps us with PA, and that

ANY way of eating/supplimenting that meets that

objective is encouraged. DASH just happens to be a

simple formula that will meet that objective in a

simple plan for those who can/want to use that

approach. It will also cover alot of the other things

like magnesium and calcium within the natural foods

and minimize suppliments. But, if dairy, grain, or

fruit, cause IBS...then we are not really going to

absorb the nutients anyway and need to find an

alternative. The rest of us or not failing to do

everything we can to treat PA, just becuase we are not

following DASH specifically. I want to stop feeling

like I am outside the "club" just because I cant eat

all the stuff on the DASH plan.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed

2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg

Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly),

20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome -

PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by

Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on

Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing

5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1.

But total of Na high also

September 19, 2011

See the Dash book by t bTiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Natalia,How does cheese fit into your plan? I recently learned Swiss and Muenster are naturally low sodium.

The problem with eating a lot of meat and poultry is that they themselves contain a lot of sodium.

When pure carbs don't. I also have diabetes and also have the same problem as and Phyliss, nevertheless eating more meat is not a wayto diet. Then you HAVE to very carefully watch meat's labels, what is seldom possible. Fish is much better, it usually has label

and contains 90% less sodium.Natalia

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

, I also can't tolerate carb laden foods and dairy. I have

insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome.

I have also put on some weight eating this way. I will go back to

low carb with high potassium vegetables. I had a baked potato

yesterday and

I feel so sick today. This morning I had potatoes for breakfast and

I am so sick and sluggish. I thought maybe I could tolerate eating

this way if i kept my potassium up. Now I know I can't.

I will go back to low carb but like you I wasn't eating low sodium.

I will start over again. The thing is I have bought so many carb

laden foods!!

Phyllis

Yes. I have the his book and had read it a few

times. Thanks! I sometimes think khe eforgets that we

probably ate alot of bugs and worms on the paleo diet.

Not really interested in doing htat myself...lol

I dont really follow any specific low carb diet

when I do it. I liked the Protein Power books and the

ideas behind them, and well as the Paleo diet

concepts. I also read Adkins books. I think all of

them are "Dash-like" compliant or at a minimum can be

modified to be that way. What I did that made this

"dashing-like" thing work is cut back on the salt. It

wasnt "DASH" that helped me, it was "low sodium diet",

period.

The idea of Dash to me is less about the

servings of this or that food group being a one size

fits all people. It's helpful for us with PA because

of the low sodium eating and higher potassium. But,

lets face it. Most of us cant eat enough potassium in

natural foods to out do the losses from Aldo. We need

suppliments in most cases. I can eat a ton of spinich,

which I like ans still be low carbing if i time it

right. I can find ways to eat natural foods that are

basically Dash foods. But, if we didnt have PA, dash

would probably be easy and a heathy way of eating.

But, if you are gluten sensative or fractose

intolerant, forget it. You cant DASH by the book. Next

best thing, eat the foods that help YOU and cut the

salt.

I am eating a ton of high potassium foods, and

taking perscription K suppliments, and still cant keep

enough K in me. I am eating low sodium diet. My BP is

always normal or below now. Yet, I still have issues

with muscles and I am gaining more weight. If

Dash-like or low sodium - low carb eating will help me

cut the weight back, then that is what I must do. I am

not wrapped around the DASH axle. I have listened here

and read all the materials i could find on it.

It seems what really matters at the end of the

day for PA is "low sodium, high potassium", and make

sure you are getting all the electrolytes and

micro-nutrients your individual body needs..through

foods where possible.

I think if the forum focused more on saying

Low-Sodium, High Potassium way of eating rather than

whether or not we are "Dashing", low carbing, or

eating worms all day, it would be more encouraging. I

am not eating 8-11 servings of grain everyday, period.

I cant have any dairy. So if that means I am not

dashing, tough. I am not failing just becuase I am not

eating what is on that "diet-books" plan framework. I

am doing what we really need to do - eating low sodium

and getting alot of potassium. Can I do better? Yup.

One way for me is to eat more meat. It satisfies me

and I dont eat as many calories that way. It lowers my

insulin levels and I drop weight. Maybe it doesnt work

for everyone, but not everyone can eat "dash" to the

letter either. I am basically saying that just because

I am honest and say I am not following DASH as

described in 's book doesnt mean I am failing to

attempt to help treat PA with diet. Dr Grim says the

pee dont lie. Right, but what you are looking at is

the K/Na ratio, not how much grain or dairy I ate. And

you are only looking at what I did in the last 24hrs

or so. I could say I am dashing to the letter of the

law and if my K/Na ratio proves it, noone knows if I

am eating just meat or noodles all day long...except

me.

DASH is a way to help PA, but at the end of the

day, call it what it is: Low Sodium/High Potassium. If

you can tolerate all the fruit/grain/dairy then you

can do DASH per the book if you want. I cant tolerate

all those, so I will never be doing DASH by the exact

plan in the book.

If Ms was able to drop 50lbs and I was

able to drop almost 30 eating low carb, then why isnt

that something we can talk about here without feeling

like we are being perceived as not complying with the

recommended plan?

My mistake on my low carb eating, which may

have very well brought PA out and made if visable is

all the damn salt I was eating. I wasnt supplimenting

Potassium and not eating K rich foods. I didnt know i

needed to be. Now I do, thanks to the forum and Dr

Grim

I use to eat alot of bacon everyday, tons of

pickles, and home made soup with salt laden bullion

while doing my low carb plan. Good God, it is amazing

I didnt have skyrocketing BP. My blood sugar was

great.

All the anti-adkins yapping in the media about

eggs/fat raising cholesterol is also pure BS. I was

eating 3-4 eggs every single day with bacon. My

cholesterol went down! I dont have high cholesterol

anyway, but i proved that eggs do not raise it, nor

high fat meats. I ate alot of steak...and the fat on

it. Chicken with all the skin and fat too...yet I lost

weight. Since I started eating foods that the low carb

plans would not allow, I have done nothing but gain

weight.

If the forum wanted to really be helpful

to accomodate the variety of us on here who

"cant/wont/dont want to" follow the DASH book

formula, we would focus on talking about other ways

to eat a low sodium/high potassium diet. We would

also talk about how to balance suppliments and

eating, and what blood and urine markers (other than

just K/Na) to look for to help tailor YOUR OWN diet

and suppliment plan to treat your individual needs

of PA and the stage you are in. DASH isnt possible

for everyone. From what I have read here, noone is

really actually following it to the books formula.

Maybe I am wrong and just those of us who are not

who talk about it. For those who dont want to think,

or dont have special needs, follow DASH if you want.

Dr Grim, if I am missing something that

is material, please correct me. If not, can you

acknowlege that it is the "low salt/high potassium"

part of DASH that is what helps us with PA, and that

ANY way of eating/supplimenting that meets that

objective is encouraged. DASH just happens to be a

simple formula that will meet that objective in a

simple plan for those who can/want to use that

approach. It will also cover alot of the other things

like magnesium and calcium within the natural foods

and minimize suppliments. But, if dairy, grain, or

fruit, cause IBS...then we are not really going to

absorb the nutients anyway and need to find an

alternative. The rest of us or not failing to do

everything we can to treat PA, just becuase we are not

following DASH specifically. I want to stop feeling

like I am outside the "club" just because I cant eat

all the stuff on the DASH plan.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed

2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg

Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly),

20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome -

PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by

Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on

Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing

5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1.

But total of Na high also

September 19, 2011

DASH DAMMIT!Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

The problem with eating a lot of meat and poultry is that they themselves contain a lot of sodium.When pure carbs don't. I also have diabetes and also have the same problem as and Phyliss, nevertheless eating more meat is not a wayto diet. Then you HAVE to very carefully watch meat's labels, what is seldom possible. Fish is much better, it usually has labeland contains 90% less sodium.NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:07 PMSubject: Re: Re: Do not feel well after exercise

, I also can't tolerate carb laden foods and dairy. I have

insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome.

I have also put on some weight eating this way. I will go back to

low carb with high potassium vegetables. I had a baked potato

yesterday and

I feel so sick today. This morning I had potatoes for breakfast and

I am so sick and sluggish. I thought maybe I could tolerate eating

this way if i kept my potassium up. Now I know I can't.

I will go back to low carb but like you I wasn't eating low sodium.

I will start over again. The thing is I have bought so many carb

laden foods!!

Phyllis

Yes. I have the his book and had read it a few

times. Thanks! I sometimes think khe eforgets that we

probably ate alot of bugs and worms on the paleo diet.

Not really interested in doing htat myself...lol

I dont really follow any specific low carb diet

when I do it. I liked the Protein Power books and the

ideas behind them, and well as the Paleo diet

concepts. I also read Adkins books. I think all of

them are "Dash-like" compliant or at a minimum can be

modified to be that way. What I did that made this

"dashing-like" thing work is cut back on the salt. It

wasnt "DASH" that helped me, it was "low sodium diet",

period.

The idea of Dash to me is less about the

servings of this or that food group being a one size

fits all people. It's helpful for us with PA because

of the low sodium eating and higher potassium. But,

lets face it. Most of us cant eat enough potassium in

natural foods to out do the losses from Aldo. We need

suppliments in most cases. I can eat a ton of spinich,

which I like ans still be low carbing if i time it

right. I can find ways to eat natural foods that are

basically Dash foods. But, if we didnt have PA, dash

would probably be easy and a heathy way of eating.

But, if you are gluten sensative or fractose

intolerant, forget it. You cant DASH by the book. Next

best thing, eat the foods that help YOU and cut the

salt.

I am eating a ton of high potassium foods, and

taking perscription K suppliments, and still cant keep

enough K in me. I am eating low sodium diet. My BP is

always normal or below now. Yet, I still have issues

with muscles and I am gaining more weight. If

Dash-like or low sodium - low carb eating will help me

cut the weight back, then that is what I must do. I am

not wrapped around the DASH axle. I have listened here

and read all the materials i could find on it.

It seems what really matters at the end of the

day for PA is "low sodium, high potassium", and make

sure you are getting all the electrolytes and

micro-nutrients your individual body needs..through

foods where possible.

I think if the forum focused more on saying

Low-Sodium, High Potassium way of eating rather than

whether or not we are "Dashing", low carbing, or

eating worms all day, it would be more encouraging. I

am not eating 8-11 servings of grain everyday, period.

I cant have any dairy. So if that means I am not

dashing, tough. I am not failing just becuase I am not

eating what is on that "diet-books" plan framework. I

am doing what we really need to do - eating low sodium

and getting alot of potassium. Can I do better? Yup.

One way for me is to eat more meat. It satisfies me

and I dont eat as many calories that way. It lowers my

insulin levels and I drop weight. Maybe it doesnt work

for everyone, but not everyone can eat "dash" to the

letter either. I am basically saying that just because

I am honest and say I am not following DASH as

described in 's book doesnt mean I am failing to

attempt to help treat PA with diet. Dr Grim says the

pee dont lie. Right, but what you are looking at is

the K/Na ratio, not how much grain or dairy I ate. And

you are only looking at what I did in the last 24hrs

or so. I could say I am dashing to the letter of the

law and if my K/Na ratio proves it, noone knows if I

am eating just meat or noodles all day long...except

me.

DASH is a way to help PA, but at the end of the

day, call it what it is: Low Sodium/High Potassium. If

you can tolerate all the fruit/grain/dairy then you

can do DASH per the book if you want. I cant tolerate

all those, so I will never be doing DASH by the exact

plan in the book.

If Ms was able to drop 50lbs and I was

able to drop almost 30 eating low carb, then why isnt

that something we can talk about here without feeling

like we are being perceived as not complying with the

recommended plan?

My mistake on my low carb eating, which may

have very well brought PA out and made if visable is

all the damn salt I was eating. I wasnt supplimenting

Potassium and not eating K rich foods. I didnt know i

needed to be. Now I do, thanks to the forum and Dr

Grim

I use to eat alot of bacon everyday, tons of

pickles, and home made soup with salt laden bullion

while doing my low carb plan. Good God, it is amazing

I didnt have skyrocketing BP. My blood sugar was

great.

All the anti-adkins yapping in the media about

eggs/fat raising cholesterol is also pure BS. I was

eating 3-4 eggs every single day with bacon. My

cholesterol went down! I dont have high cholesterol

anyway, but i proved that eggs do not raise it, nor

high fat meats. I ate alot of steak...and the fat on

it. Chicken with all the skin and fat too...yet I lost

weight. Since I started eating foods that the low carb

plans would not allow, I have done nothing but gain

weight.

If the forum wanted to really be helpful

to accomodate the variety of us on here who

"cant/wont/dont want to" follow the DASH book

formula, we would focus on talking about other ways

to eat a low sodium/high potassium diet. We would

also talk about how to balance suppliments and

eating, and what blood and urine markers (other than

just K/Na) to look for to help tailor YOUR OWN diet

and suppliment plan to treat your individual needs

of PA and the stage you are in. DASH isnt possible

for everyone. From what I have read here, noone is

really actually following it to the books formula.

Maybe I am wrong and just those of us who are not

who talk about it. For those who dont want to think,

or dont have special needs, follow DASH if you want.

Dr Grim, if I am missing something that

is material, please correct me. If not, can you

acknowlege that it is the "low salt/high potassium"

part of DASH that is what helps us with PA, and that

ANY way of eating/supplimenting that meets that

objective is encouraged. DASH just happens to be a

simple formula that will meet that objective in a

simple plan for those who can/want to use that

approach. It will also cover alot of the other things

like magnesium and calcium within the natural foods

and minimize suppliments. But, if dairy, grain, or

fruit, cause IBS...then we are not really going to

absorb the nutients anyway and need to find an

alternative. The rest of us or not failing to do

everything we can to treat PA, just becuase we are not

following DASH specifically. I want to stop feeling

like I am outside the "club" just because I cant eat

all the stuff on the DASH plan.

============================================================================

45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 242lbs, PA Diagnosed

2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.

Meds: 50mg Inspra, 40meq Potassium, 1800mg

Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly),

20mg Omeprazole

Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach

inflammation (From Spiro)

Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome -

PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by

Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and

Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on

Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain

DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing

5/3/2011

Status: Last Urine K/Na ratio was 1.1.

But total of Na high also

September 19, 2011

DASH Dammit!Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Natalia, I have insulin resistance. A lot of carbs will kill me . I

can't do the carbs , I am so sick now.

Today I had a little bit more protein and less fructose carbs. I had

tomatoes, zucchini, cucumbers,

I will see how I feel.

Natalia,

How does cheese fit into

your plan? I recently learned Swiss and Muenster are

naturally low sodium.

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 6:14 PM,

Natalia Kamneva

wrote:

The problem with eating a lot of

meat and poultry is that they themselves

contain a lot of sodium.

When pure carbs don't.

I also have diabetes and also

have the same problem as and

Phyliss, nevertheless eating more meat

is not a way

to diet. Then you HAVE to very

carefully watch meat's labels, what is

seldom possible. Fish is much better, it

usually has label

and contains 90% less sodium.

Natalia

From:

Phyllis

To:

hyperaldosteronism

Sent:

Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:07 PM

Subject:

Re: Re: Do not

feel well after exercise

, I also can't

tolerate carb laden foods and

dairy. I have insulin

resistance and metabolic

syndrome.

I have also put on some weight

eating this way. I will go

back to low carb with high

potassium vegetables. I had a

baked potato yesterday and

I feel so sick today. This

morning I had potatoes for

breakfast and I am so sick and

sluggish. I thought maybe I

could tolerate eating this way

if i kept my potassium up. Now

I know I can't.

I will go back to low carb but

like you I wasn't eating low

sodium. I will start over

again. The thing is I have

bought so many carb laden

foods!!

Phyllis

On 9/18/2011 12:25 PM,

Brown wrote:

Yes. I have the

his book and had read

it a few times.

Thanks! I sometimes

think khe eforgets

that we probably ate

alot of bugs and worms

on the paleo diet. Not

really interested in

doing htat

myself...lol

I dont really

follow any specific

low carb diet when I

do it. I liked the

Protein Power books

and the ideas behind

them, and well as the

Paleo diet concepts. I

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