Re: Sterilization and mental illness

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It's morally unacceptable, and can be expected to cause a whole host of new problems to add to the already existing mental issues, so that the patient has new burdens to pile on top of old. We found for example that even "healthy" women who had tubal ligations were 150% to 200% more likely to experience subsequent sexual dysfunction or see their doctors for stress-related problems (Warehime, N et al. Tubal Ligation among American women, April 2007 JRM). This fact is usually comletely ignored or downplayed in modern medicine -- the medical and psychosocial harm of contraception and sterilization -- which is why we did the study.

No Catholic could recommend such a course with a clear conscience. And it would be even worse if surreptitiiously carried out by a "health proxy" because it adds to the evil of sterilization that of coercion and/or trickery/manipulation.

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, varicoseveins1@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

(office)

(cell)

pedullad@...

"Genuine progress, as the Church’s social teaching insists, must be integral and humane; it cannot prescind from the truth about human beings and must always be directed to their authentic good. In a word, fidelity to man requires fidelity to the truth, which alone is the guarantee of freedom and real development." (Pope Benedict on accepting credentials of U.S. Ambassador to the vatican )

Sterilization and mental illness

For the Catholic physicians out there, have you encountered situations a

caregiver for someone with severe mental illness has requested

contraception/sterilization on their behalf? What do think is the most

appropriate response in light of our faith? Thank you!

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I agree with you, but what are appropriate solutions for situations like

this? I'm referring to people who may have few physical limitations - so

are quite capable of sexual activity, but do not have the mental

capability to understand the consequences or responsibilities that go with

it. In denying sterilization or contraception, what suggestions would

you offer instead? Increased supervision?

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> It's morally unacceptable, and can be expected to cause a whole host of

> new problems to add to the already existing mental issues, so that the

> patient has new burdens to pile on top of old. We found for example that

> even " healthy " women who had tubal ligations were 150% to 200% more

> likely to experience subsequent sexual dysfunction or see their doctors

> for stress-related problems (Warehime, N et al. Tubal Ligation among

> American women, April 2007 JRM). This fact is usually comletely ignored

> or downplayed in modern medicine -- the medical and psychosocial harm of

> contraception and sterilization -- which is why we did the study.

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> No Catholic could recommend such a course with a clear conscience. And it

> would be even worse if surreptitiiously carried out by a " health proxy "

> because it adds to the evil of sterilization that of coercion and/or

> trickery/manipulation.

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> Sincerely yours,

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> Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

> Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein

> Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning

> Researcher

> Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center

> (www.noveinok.com, varicoseveins1@...)

> Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation

> (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

> (office)

> (cell)

> pedullad@...

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> " Genuine progress, as the Church’s social teaching insists, must be

> integral and humane; it cannot prescind from the truth about human beings

> and must always be directed to their authentic good. In a word, fidelity

> to man requires fidelity to the truth, which alone is the guarantee of

> freedom and real development. " (Pope Benedict on accepting credentials of

> U.S. Ambassador to the vatican )

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Yes, and also education to the extent they're capable of it. And usually those close to them are capable of this kine of watchful and attentive care, though there can always be exceptions.

But even were there no good answers -- and some practical contingencies have no great answers -- neither sterilization nor contraception would be a solution.

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, varicoseveins1@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

(office)

(cell)

pedullad@...

"Genuine progress, as the Church’s social teaching insists, must be integral and humane; it cannot prescind from the truth about human beings and must always be directed to their authentic good. In a word, fidelity to man requires fidelity to the truth, which alone is the guarantee of freedom and real development." (Pope Benedict on accepting credentials of U.S. Ambassador to the vatican )

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hard. There is no need to hide it. It is hard, but with the help of grace

it can be done." Pope II, World Youth Day 2000 in Rome

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The Catholic Church provides teaching and guidance that contraception is intrinsically evil. As such, there is never any circumstance where the use of contraception is justified. Quite often, many who do not accept such teaching or who difficulty with such teaching in the face of adverse, unusual or even extreme circumstances (such as a disease that prohibits pregnancy, such as cancer) use the "circumstances" as an excuse to perform behavior. Thanks

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I’ve been approached many times by mothers of mentally

handicapped girls,  who wanted to assure that no pregnancy could eventuate if

their daughter was assaulted.  The answer is to ensure their protection, 

however difficult, given the caliber of caregivers sometimes encountered in

chronic care institutions,  but not set them up to be raped with impunity.

Hanna Klaus

From: nfpprofessionals

[mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Dominic

Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 1:07 PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Subject: Re: Sterilization and mental illness

Yes, and also education to the extent they're capable of it. And

usually those close to them are capable of this kine of watchful and attentive

care, though there can always be exceptions.

But even were there no good answers -- and some practical contingencies have no

great answers -- neither sterilization nor contraception would be a solution.

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist,

Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com,

varicoseveins1@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

(office)

(cell)

pedullad@...

" Genuine progress, as the Church’s social teaching insists, must be

integral and humane; it cannot prescind from the truth about human beings and

must always be directed to their authentic good. In a word, fidelity to man

requires fidelity to the truth, which alone is the guarantee of freedom and

real development. " (Pope Benedict on accepting credentials of U.S.

Ambassador to the vatican )

Sterilization and mental illness

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> For the Catholic physicians out there, have you encountered situations a

> caregiver for someone with severe mental illness has requested

> contraception/sterilization on their behalf? What do think is the most

> appropriate response in light of our faith? Thank you!

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" Dear young people, in such a world is it hard to believe? Yes! It is

hard. There is no need to hide it. It is hard, but with the help of grace

it can be done. " Pope II, World Youth Day 2000 in Rome

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I like to think of this dilemma as one of informed consent. If the person(s) in question are unable to give informed consent then, they need to be under the guardianship of someone else. We don't sterilize girls, for instance, who are the victims of sexual assault or incest, to prevent pregnancy. We protect them and prosecute their abusers. A woman with a mental disability who is incapable of consent is a potential victim of sexual assault and should be protected, not sterilized.

W. , M.D., FACOG

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> For the Catholic physicians out there, have you encountered situations a

> caregiver for someone with severe mental illness has requested

> contraception/sterilization on their behalf? What do think is the most

> appropriate response in light of our faith? Thank you!

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"Dear young people, in such a world is it hard to believe? Yes! It is

hard. There is no need to hide it. It is hard, but with the help of grace

it can be done." Pope II, World Youth Day 2000 in Rome

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I have seen mentally retarded patients charting ovulation cycles nicely, better than some of my smarter patients.

PJB.

To: nfpprofessionals From: obdoc2000@...Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:07:31 -0500Subject: Re: Sterilization and mental illness

I like to think of this dilemma as one of informed consent. If the person(s) in question are unable to give informed consent then, they need to be under the guardianship of someone else. We don't sterilize girls, for instance, who are the victims of sexual assault or incest, to prevent pregnancy. We protect them and prosecute their abusers. A woman with a mental disability who is incapable of consent is a potential victim of sexual assault and should be protected, not sterilized.

W. , M.D., FACOG

Sterilization and mental illness>>>>>> For the Catholic physicians out there, have you encountered situations a> caregiver for someone with severe mental illness has requested> contraception/sterilization on their behalf? What do think is the most> appropriate response in light of our faith? Thank you!>> a>> -----------------------------------------> Why Pay More? Negotiate Best Prices with Doctors and Dentists for FREE> Instantly Bid on services in your area.> http://www.pricedoc.com/?utm_source=COL & utm_medium=email & utm_campaign=tagline>>>>>>>>a"Dear young people, in such a world is it hard to believe? Yes! It ishard. There is no need to hide it. It is hard, but with the help of graceit can be done." Pope II, World Youth Day 2000 in Rome-----------------------------------------Why Pay More? Negotiate Best Prices with Doctors and Dentists for FREEInstantly Bid on services in your area. http://www.pricedoc.com/?utm_source=COL & utm_medium=email & utm_campaign=tagline

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a,

Sounds like a great application for Billings Ovulation Method - scientifically solid and simple to understand. Pair it up with basic dignity of self and wholesome chastity and you may give them happier, healthier and holier alternatives. Depending on the age mentality, supervision and protection from media may still be necessary.

I'll be praying for your efforts,

Maggie

To: nfpprofessionals Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 12:01:19 PMSubject: Re: Sterilization and mental illness

I agree with you, but what are appropriate solutions for situations likethis? I'm referring to people who may have few physical limitations - soare quite capable of sexual activity, but do not have the mentalcapability to understand the consequences or responsibilities that go withit. In denying sterilization or contraception, what suggestions wouldyou offer instead? Increased supervision?a>> It's morally unacceptable, and can be expected to cause a whole host of> new problems to add to the already existing mental issues, so that the> patient has new burdens to pile on top of old. We found for example that> even "healthy" women who had tubal ligations were 150% to 200% more> likely to experience subsequent sexual dysfunction or see their doctors> for stress-related problems (Warehime, N et al. Tubal Ligation among> American women, April 2007 JRM). This fact is

usually comletely ignored> or downplayed in modern medicine -- the medical and psychosocial harm of> contraception and sterilization -- which is why we did the study.>> No Catholic could recommend such a course with a clear conscience. And it> would be even worse if surreptitiiously carried out by a "health proxy"> because it adds to the evil of sterilization that of coercion and/or> trickery/manipulati on.>>>> Sincerely yours,>>> Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh> Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein> Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning> Researcher> Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center> (www.noveinok. com, varicoseveins1@ yahoo.com)> Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation> (www.theedithsteinf oundation. com)> (office)> (cell)> pedulladaol (DOT) com>> "Genuine progress, as the Church’s social teaching insists, must be> integral and humane; it cannot prescind from the truth about human beings> and must always be directed to their authentic good. In a word, fidelity> to man requires fidelity to the truth, which alone is the guarantee of> freedom and real development. " (Pope Benedict on accepting credentials of> U.S. Ambassador to the vatican )>>>>>> Sterilization and mental illness>>>>>> For the Catholic physicians out there, have you encountered situations a> caregiver for someone with severe mental illness has requested> contraception/ sterilization on their behalf? What do think is the most> appropriate response in light of our faith? Thank you!>> a>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --> Why Pay More? Negotiate Best Prices with Doctors and Dentists for FREE> Instantly Bid on services

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