Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Hi Sondra, I have studied many languages and I think I can help you out here. The root of the " F " word is undoubtedly Germanic, as it has counterparts in other Northern European languages: Middle Dutch fokken meaning to thrust, to copulate ( have sex) with; dialectical Norwegian fukka meaning to copulate; and dialectical Swedish focka meaning to strike, push, copulate, and fock meaning penis. Both French and Italian have similar words, foutre and fottere respectively. These derive from the Latin futuere . The story about the French and English archers has a grain of truth to it, in that the gesture, which uses the index and middle finger (basically a backhanded peace sign) was historically used by the British to taunt the French, and this gesture means the same thing as just the middle finger gesture we use today. The taunting was due to the double meaning. It's like when people want to use the middle finger gesture but they pretend they are just scratching their nose and just happen to be using the middle finger. My husband does that when someone cuts him off in traffic...LOL! This French/English story is not the origin of the middle finger gesture, however, which is truly ancient, being referred to in classical Greek and Roman texts, way before these French/English battle took place. The gesture is simply meant as a symbol of the actual sex act, with the middle finger representing the penis. Does this help at all? On Thursday, January 8, 2004, at 07:38 PM, Sondra wrote: > So then what did the word " F " stand for in English for them to say it? > Here > now it to mean a sex word so i to not assume they were of saying a sex > word > to the English/French? It to had to have had another meaning then, just > curious and way off autism topic. But I to be much intrigued by > gesture > words and how they to form, and words over all that society to uses > but says > are really forbidden words LOL/I to not be to ever use words of wrong > choices as fear and dont be to like of this language things, causes me > anxiety. But have in much fear of angers and unaware to say it have > said the > SH word like a day on highway when a car suddenly swerved over to the > left > lane and I was to be behind him and did not have time to move over as > another car was beside me. so had to run over a large piece of tire > from a > truck that had broken on the road feared it would cause me to wreck or > break > of my car off and such I to said it much loud. My childrens were of > much > laugh to me for to say that and told me mom you to say of cuss word. I > to > not be aware to do that but telled of them sorry for that. > Sondra > > > > Autism_in_Girls-subscribe > ------------------------ > Autism_in_Girls-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Sondra, dont worry. I dont think that there is anyone of us here in this group that havent said the " S*** " word while driving. LOL Pennie Abby's Mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 So it is of connected but used in a metaphor way. It to sound stupid that we to tell people to go do sex things , no wonder it is of bad choice of word. Sondra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 Pennie yes I to sayed the word heard it and much worse in the home ofme growing up had no ideas to any of the words meanings but often would be slapped so much hard in the mouth by the family people and at school was often to miss recess for such words but never had a clue to what they meant or why others sayed them and no one to hitted of them but if I to do it was in much trouble. So by the age of 10 or so learned those words could cause me great pains so began sorting and organizing which words caused this reaction and like internal rule and taboo learned never to say of them again and when others to say them still that fear reaction comes to me, so have no knowing why that day that words comed out of my mouth. I to hear much use that word when angry or feared so maybe just came to me spontaneously to say it, but for days obsessed on the fact I to broke an internal rule of self and for days was much hard on self for that. Yet my kids all to remember this and to laugh much at me for it and tell much about this which causes me great stress and anxiety for fear to be in trouble by others and it is painful to know I to maked a mistake and even my own children's to laugh. My teens say it is because I to never ever do cuss and that day I did be to do one and for this they say it is funny to know mom has cusses too like other peoples they to know. I to know my oldest kids to do cusses with thems friends but not in my home or around me but have heard them to say some so know this is true of them to do this and it causes me pains to know they choose to say words of not nice, but this is a choice they will have to learn for self if they to be to like of that words or not. I to not slap of my children for them but use of my words to tell them mom to not want to hear that nasty words again. Sondra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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