Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Jeff: Last winter I took the Medical Acupuncture for Veterinarians class as CSU and I would highly recommend it. I have been using acupuncture as an integral part of my practice since about the 3rd module. For me, that is about the best testimonial that somebody could offer with any course. My main reasons for taking this course were timing, but after I attended I found that it was definitely the course for me because it is medical based. We learned just enough about the chinese medicine basis to be able to discuss it and learn more if we desired, and a lot about neurology and anatomic basis. Gail Hoholik Jeff Bowra writes: > Another topic that we have discussed before. > Which Acu course(s) are people currently recommending. > The ones that I am looking at are: > > IVAS > Chi Institute > Canadian IVAS > Colorado Medical Acupuncture > > I have leaned toward the medical acupuncture course for several reasons. Is > there anybody out there who has taken it? > Travel > Medical Base vs total TCM > Cheers > > Jeff Bowra DVM > Certified Canine Rehabilitation Practitioner > drjeff@... > Aldergrove Animal Hospital > www.familypetdoc.com > The Spaw > Canine Sports Medicine & Rehabilitation > www.thespaw.ca > 26841 Fraser Highway > Aldergrove, BC, Canada > V4W 3E4 > > -----Original Message----- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Hey Jeff! It seems to me that if you are frustrated with the large time commitment and the relative low ROI from our rehab patients, perhaps acupuncture is not the best route at this time. Could you have an associate or technician take the coursework? I feel very much the same that you do, that it is frustrating financially to put tremendous time into these very needy patients. I hope I don't sound like a heretic here, but my VMG group just counseled against my going for acu certification, citing the reasons you and I had discussed about time in versus money out... Call if you want to discuss... . Also, don't forget Adequan and duralactin in you article on arthritis! Good luck and have fun!!! Pam -----Original Message-----From: VetRehab [mailto:VetRehab ]On Behalf Of Jeff BowraSent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:28 PMTo: VetRehab Subject: Acu courses Another topic that we have discussed before.Which Acu course(s) are people currently recommending.The ones that I am looking at are:IVASChi InstituteCanadian IVASColorado Medical AcupunctureI have leaned toward the medical acupuncture course for several reasons. Isthere anybody out there who has taken it? TravelMedical Base vs total TCMCheersJeff Bowra DVMCertified Canine Rehabilitation Practitionerdrjeffthespaw (DOT) caAldergrove Animal Hospitalwww.familypetdoc.comThe SpawCanine Sports Medicine & Rehabilitationwww.thespaw.ca 26841 Fraser HighwayAldergrove, BC, CanadaV4W 3E4 -----Original Message----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Hi Jeff, I took the Chi courses, and loved them..It's TCM, very thorough, great instructors and labs..loads of hands on. Jan Janet B. Van Dyke, DVM CEO and Founder Canine Rehabilitation Institute Wellington, FL www.CanineRehabInstitute.com Cell Office/Fax Acu courses Another topic that we have discussed before. Which Acu course(s) are people currently recommending. The ones that I am looking at are: IVAS Chi Institute Canadian IVAS Colorado Medical Acupuncture I have leaned toward the medical acupuncture course for several reasons. Is there anybody out there who has taken it? Travel Medical Base vs total TCM Cheers Jeff Bowra DVM Certified Canine Rehabilitation Practitioner drjeffthespaw (DOT) ca Aldergrove Animal Hospital www.familypetdoc.com The Spaw Canine Sports Medicine & Rehabilitation www.thespaw.ca 26841 Fraser Highway Aldergrove, BC, Canada V4W 3E4 -----Original Message----- Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 I disagree. Acupuncture has really built my lameness practice,but I do not get involved in a lot of rehab, except owner advice. I also do chiropractic and chinese herbs to help with the package. The volume of patients and cost of pools and labor make me reluctant to dive into intensive rehab too deeply, and there are some available within driving distance. Acupuncture will teach you more about neurology and biomechanics than anything in traditional medicine. If you are interested, I think you should do it. As regards the type of training, I went thru IVAS. I recommend the program, but I think that you can learn a lot at any of the courses. The traditional chinese medicine provides a different philosophical way to look at cases that is sometimes helpful. For instance, a referral for myesthenia gravis became well controlled with herbs for spleen Qi deficiency(muscle weakness), when conventional therapy was not working. Chinese medicine is best for degenerative and aging problems in my mind, western medicine is best for trauma, preventable disease(vaccines), and acute infections. If you have the training, you can pick out the best fitting peg. Chip Beckett Glastonbury, CT -----Original Message-----From: VetRehab [mailto:VetRehab ]On Behalf Of Dr. Pam NicholsSent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:56 AMTo: VetRehab Subject: RE: Acu courses Hey Jeff! It seems to me that if you are frustrated with the large time commitment and the relative low ROI from our rehab patients, perhaps acupuncture is not the best route at this time. Could you have an associate or technician take the coursework? I feel very much the same that you do, that it is frustrating financially to put tremendous time into these very needy patients. I hope I don't sound like a heretic here, but my VMG group just counseled against my going for acu certification, citing the reasons you and I had discussed about time in versus money out... Call if you want to discuss... . Also, don't forget Adequan and duralactin in you article on arthritis! Good luck and have fun!!! Pam -----Original Message-----From: VetRehab [mailto:VetRehab ]On Behalf Of Jeff BowraSent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:28 PMTo: VetRehab Subject: Acu courses Another topic that we have discussed before.Which Acu course(s) are people currently recommending.The ones that I am looking at are:IVASChi InstituteCanadian IVASColorado Medical AcupunctureI have leaned toward the medical acupuncture course for several reasons. Isthere anybody out there who has taken it? TravelMedical Base vs total TCMCheersJeff Bowra DVMCertified Canine Rehabilitation Practitionerdrjeffthespaw (DOT) caAldergrove Animal Hospitalwww.familypetdoc.comThe SpawCanine Sports Medicine & Rehabilitationwww.thespaw.ca 26841 Fraser HighwayAldergrove, BC, CanadaV4W 3E4 -----Original Message----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Hi Chip and all, no offense intended, and I certainly didn't mean to say that no one should do acupuncture...it think it is great and intend to work towards certification sometime in the near future. I believe though that my comment to Jeff (If I understood him correctly) was that in trying to manage the amount of time we put in per patient versus the amount of compensation we receive, acupuncture is going to tip the scales towards much more of our personal hands on time with each patient. Would love to hear more input... I am trying to keep the rehab center profitable but it can be challenging! Pam Nichols West Bountiful, Utah [Dr. Pam Nichols] -----Original Message-----From: VetRehab [mailto:VetRehab ]On Behalf Of Chip BeckettSent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:32 AMTo: VetRehab Subject: RE: Acu courses I disagree. Acupuncture has really built my lameness practice,but I do not get involved in a lot of rehab, except owner advice. I also do chiropractic and chinese herbs to help with the package. The volume of patients and cost of pools and labor make me reluctant to dive into intensive rehab too deeply, and there are some available within driving distance. Acupuncture will teach you more about neurology and biomechanics than anything in traditional medicine. If you are interested, I think you should do it. As regards the type of training, I went thru IVAS. I recommend the program, but I think that you can learn a lot at any of the courses. The traditional chinese medicine provides a different philosophical way to look at cases that is sometimes helpful. For instance, a referral for myesthenia gravis became well controlled with herbs for spleen Qi deficiency(muscle weakness), when conventional therapy was not working. Chinese medicine is best for degenerative and aging problems in my mind, western medicine is best for trauma, preventable disease(vaccines), and acute infections. If you have the training, you can pick out the best fitting peg. Chip Beckett Glastonbury, CT -----Original Message-----From: VetRehab [mailto:VetRehab ]On Behalf Of Dr. Pam NicholsSent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:56 AMTo: VetRehab Subject: RE: Acu courses Hey Jeff! It seems to me that if you are frustrated with the large time commitment and the relative low ROI from our rehab patients, perhaps acupuncture is not the best route at this time. Could you have an associate or technician take the coursework? I feel very much the same that you do, that it is frustrating financially to put tremendous time into these very needy patients. I hope I don't sound like a heretic here, but my VMG group just counseled against my going for acu certification, citing the reasons you and I had discussed about time in versus money out... Call if you want to discuss... . Also, don't forget Adequan and duralactin in you article on arthritis! Good luck and have fun!!! Pam -----Original Message-----From: VetRehab [mailto:VetRehab ]On Behalf Of Jeff BowraSent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:28 PMTo: VetRehab Subject: Acu courses Another topic that we have discussed before.Which Acu course(s) are people currently recommending.The ones that I am looking at are:IVASChi InstituteCanadian IVASColorado Medical AcupunctureI have leaned toward the medical acupuncture course for several reasons. Isthere anybody out there who has taken it? TravelMedical Base vs total TCMCheersJeff Bowra DVMCertified Canine Rehabilitation Practitionerdrjeffthespaw (DOT) caAldergrove Animal Hospitalwww.familypetdoc.comThe SpawCanine Sports Medicine & Rehabilitationwww.thespaw.ca 26841 Fraser HighwayAldergrove, BC, CanadaV4W 3E4 -----Original Message----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Hi Chip, I have taken all courses and now TA at the Chi Institute. They are all WONDERFUL and it is all Traditional Chinese Medical based. I am a small animal practitioner and use TCVM in over 80% of cases and with conventional medicine. If you have any specific questions I would be happy to answer them. I highly recommend taking the courses. Best, Hi Chip and all, no offense intended, and I certainly didn't mean to say that no one should do acupuncture...it think it is great and intend to work towards certification sometime in the near future. I believe though that my comment to Jeff (If I understood him correctly) was that in trying to manage the amount of time we put in per patient versus the amount of compensation we receive, acupuncture is going to tip the scales towards much more of our personal hands on time with each patient. Would love to hear more input... I am trying to keep the rehab center profitable but it can be challenging! Pam Nichols West Bountiful, Utah [Dr. Pam Nichols] -----Original Message-----From: VetRehab [mailto: VetRehab ]On Behalf Of Chip BeckettSent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:32 AM To: VetRehab Subject: RE: Acu courses I disagree. Acupuncture has really built my lameness practice,but I do not get involved in a lot of rehab, except owner advice. I also do chiropractic and chinese herbs to help with the package. The volume of patients and cost of pools and labor make me reluctant to dive into intensive rehab too deeply, and there are some available within driving distance. Acupuncture will teach you more about neurology and biomechanics than anything in traditional medicine. If you are interested, I think you should do it. As regards the type of training, I went thru IVAS. I recommend the program, but I think that you can learn a lot at any of the courses. The traditional chinese medicine provides a different philosophical way to look at cases that is sometimes helpful. For instance, a referral for myesthenia gravis became well controlled with herbs for spleen Qi deficiency(muscle weakness), when conventional therapy was not working. Chinese medicine is best for degenerative and aging problems in my mind, western medicine is best for trauma, preventable disease(vaccines), and acute infections. If you have the training, you can pick out the best fitting peg. Chip Beckett Glastonbury, CT -----Original Message-----From: VetRehab [mailto:VetRehab ]On Behalf Of Dr. Pam NicholsSent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:56 AMTo: VetRehab Subject: RE: Acu courses Hey Jeff! It seems to me that if you are frustrated with the large time commitment and the relative low ROI from our rehab patients, perhaps acupuncture is not the best route at this time. Could you have an associate or technician take the coursework? I feel very much the same that you do, that it is frustrating financially to put tremendous time into these very needy patients. I hope I don't sound like a heretic here, but my VMG group just counseled against my going for acu certification, citing the reasons you and I had discussed about time in versus money out... Call if you want to discuss... . Also, don't forget Adequan and duralactin in you article on arthritis! Good luck and have fun!!! Pam -----Original Message-----From: VetRehab [mailto:VetRehab ]On Behalf Of Jeff BowraSent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:28 PM To: VetRehab Subject: Acu courses Another topic that we have discussed before.Which Acu course(s) are people currently recommending.The ones that I am looking at are:IVASChi InstituteCanadian IVASColorado Medical Acupuncture I have leaned toward the medical acupuncture course for several reasons. Isthere anybody out there who has taken it? TravelMedical Base vs total TCMCheersJeff Bowra DVMCertified Canine Rehabilitation Practitioner drjeff@...Aldergrove Animal Hospitalwww.familypetdoc.com The SpawCanine Sports Medicine & Rehabilitationwww.thespaw.ca 26841 Fraser HighwayAldergrove, BC, CanadaV4W 3E4 -----Original Message----- -- Rimar, DVM Tarpon Animal Hospitaltcvmvet@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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