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> > > > > > > > Just noticed when looking at the files that one file confirms

something I had long suspected,that the Rio Power Trainer,The Bodi-Tek Power

Trainer and The Bully Extreme are all the same.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Certainly they look alike-I have the Bodi-Tek labelled one and

it is a good strong model.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I looked up the file labelled Muscle Up for Bully and surprise

,surprise the same Irish body-builder and model who appears on the Rio

promotions and exercise charts as well as the Bodi-Tek charts also is featured

demonstrating exercises for Bully Extreme-hope he got paid for it?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I did a search for the Rio as well but failed to find a

reference to it this time round perhaps it is no longer marketed under that

name.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Readers in the Uk may like to note that the Bodi-Tek Power

Worker is available from the Argos chain at a very reasonable price.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hope that this of interest to some of you.I welcome any

comments.Ed

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks Shenandoah,I think that you are quite right.I had noticed and

think that I had mentioned in some previous posting.As I have said before the

quality of the product by whatever name it goes is fine-its just the business

ethics of the way Bully Extreme is marketed that really annoys me.I don't think

that I am alone at all in that sentiment.In passing and rather old news this but

that Bully Extreme even tried to muscle in on Bullworker in Wiki and were told

to desist.If this is of passing interest to anyone they can still check it out

on Wiki.

> > > > > >

> > > > > Just a footnote to previous posting.The Irish Bodybuilder I mentioned

is called Spence and he has his own web page which I have just found

again.He used to promote and sell Rio Power Worker from this site, but does not

seem to do so now.Instead he is selling supplements for some company.There are

links to some of his work that can be followed through to find pics that he has

showing him with a Power Worker and some electronic gizmo for your abs.Well at

least one of them works and the other is a hopeless fraud without doubt.I think

anyone reading this will know which product has validity.I always think its a

shame when fitness models/bodybuilders etc promote products that if they know

anything at all, they must know will not work.I could never do that myself and

live with the fact that I may have got richer but I had been part of something

that just bilked people whilst reducing my own credibility.Ed

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > Yes the pics with the Rio Power Worker etc, etc, etc if you look carefully

will show I think a few exercises with the apparatus that I do not recall being

shown with the Bullworker charts.This I think illustrates the versatility that

the Bullworker is capable of and may also suggest to creative individuals of few

new exercises that can be developed from them.

> > >

> > > Spence has a credible natural physique unmarked by the horrible

drug bloat that has now become standard in many areas of body-building with the

exception of natural organisations that both test and have a zero tolerance for

drug users.Ed

> > >

> >

> > I actually bought the bully xtreme a few years ago and the training program

uses Spence's pictures in it. Most likely without his permission.

> >

> > Tom

> >

>It would be very useful to get a scanned chart as you suggest Mark.I am afraid

that I have zero technical ability to do so.Is there anyone else out there that

has one of those brands that could help and put it in the files.Thanks Mark for

the very practical suggestion.ED

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> > > >

> > > > Just noticed when looking at the files that one file confirms something

I had long suspected,that the Rio Power Trainer,The Bodi-Tek Power Trainer and

The Bully Extreme are all the same.

> > > >

> > > > Certainly they look alike-I have the Bodi-Tek labelled one and it is a

good strong model.

> > > >

> > > > I looked up the file labelled Muscle Up for Bully and surprise ,surprise

the same Irish body-builder and model who appears on the Rio promotions and

exercise charts as well as the Bodi-Tek charts also is featured demonstrating

exercises for Bully Extreme-hope he got paid for it?

> > > >

> > > > I did a search for the Rio as well but failed to find a reference to it

this time round perhaps it is no longer marketed under that name.

> > > >

> > > > Readers in the Uk may like to note that the Bodi-Tek Power Worker is

available from the Argos chain at a very reasonable price.

> > > >

> > > > Hope that this of interest to some of you.I welcome any comments.Ed

> > > >

> > >

> > Thanks Shenandoah,I think that you are quite right.I had noticed and think

that I had mentioned in some previous posting.As I have said before the quality

of the product by whatever name it goes is fine-its just the business ethics of

the way Bully Extreme is marketed that really annoys me.I don't think that I am

alone at all in that sentiment.In passing and rather old news this but that

Bully Extreme even tried to muscle in on Bullworker in Wiki and were told to

desist.If this is of passing interest to anyone they can still check it out on

Wiki.

> >

>Yes Bert Hernadez is so crooked I bet he could not even take an honest breath.I

would never put any money the way of an operator like him.He is a very busy

little bee indeed infiltrating into any sphere that makes mention of The

Bullworker,false comparisons between his product and Bullworker{few remarks

about X5 that may be deserved},articles under different names that talk about

isometric then advertise his product,false claims of invention,his

background-surprised that he is not a nuclear physicist and champion world class

power-lifter as well.He steals from anyone he can,pics etc,writes reviews of his

product that he puts into the mouth of others and seems to operate on the

principle that if you are going to tell a lie make it a really big one.I salute

Bert the man who invented space travel.Its impossible to do a little

intelligent research about this man and not want to put the warning flags out.

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" And when they find that shiny red-handled miracle that is the new Bullworker,

then all bets are off! "

What " miracle " ?

A Bullworker or Steelbow (which I own) is a nice piece of equipment to use when

you're short on time. Absolutely love the convenience. It also makes for a

nice adjunct to regular exercises. As a standalone? Sure, why not if your goal

is to get a little muscle " tone " .

But, it isn't a " miracle " ...if you use a Bullworker or Steelbow, you're going to

get more efficient at using a Bullworker. You won't lean out with a

Bullworker...you need to get on a tight, cutting diet like Mr. Hughs did.

Where are the transitional pictures, like the Beach Body (P90X, Insanity, etc.)

boards or Turbulence Training, depicting Bullworker trainees going from flabby

and out of shape to ripped and athletic? (BTW, The Whammer completed P90X,

Insanity and some of the more advanced Beach Body programs--in addition to a

Bullworker--at age 52 or 53, plays hockey in a +30 league in Canada and is a

firefighter...he's posted his before/after pictures.)

We saw at least one of fitness models that uses on his site and in

the DVD is a weight lifter. And those two fitness booth-babes from the Arnold

classic picture posing with & Schwarzenegger weren't Bullworker trained.

Those early Bullworker ads used a gymnast...he certainly didn't use a Bullworker

to get ready for his work on the rings or floor exercises.

And we don't see the military's elite, SWAT teams, pro football teams, etc.,

using a Bullworker to get their trainees in condition for their jobs or chosen

sport. Ross Enamait, a trainer in Connecticut who preps elite boxers and

MMAs--the same guy Shenandoah wrote the glowing endorsement for, may use a

Bullworker for adjunct exercises but it isn't what he uses to get his athletes

ready.

Lets keep things in perspective: the Bullworker and Steelbow products are both

high quality, well-made products. However, they both use a finite ROM and in

some cases don't work well with the body's natural planes.

" Miracle " ?

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Just noticed when looking at the files that one file confirms

something I had long suspected,that the Rio Power Trainer,The Bodi-Tek Power

Trainer and The Bully Extreme are all the same.

> > > > >

> > > > > Certainly they look alike-I have the Bodi-Tek labelled one and it is a

good strong model.

> > > > >

> > > > > I looked up the file labelled Muscle Up for Bully and surprise

,surprise the same Irish body-builder and model who appears on the Rio

promotions and exercise charts as well as the Bodi-Tek charts also is featured

demonstrating exercises for Bully Extreme-hope he got paid for it?

> > > > >

> > > > > I did a search for the Rio as well but failed to find a reference to

it this time round perhaps it is no longer marketed under that name.

> > > > >

> > > > > Readers in the Uk may like to note that the Bodi-Tek Power Worker is

available from the Argos chain at a very reasonable price.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope that this of interest to some of you.I welcome any comments.Ed

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > Thanks Shenandoah,I think that you are quite right.I had noticed and think

that I had mentioned in some previous posting.As I have said before the quality

of the product by whatever name it goes is fine-its just the business ethics of

the way Bully Extreme is marketed that really annoys me.I don't think that I am

alone at all in that sentiment.In passing and rather old news this but that

Bully Extreme even tried to muscle in on Bullworker in Wiki and were told to

desist.If this is of passing interest to anyone they can still check it out on

Wiki.

> > >

> >Yes Bert Hernadez is so crooked I bet he could not even take an honest

breath.I would never put any money the way of an operator like him.He is a very

busy little bee indeed infiltrating into any sphere that makes mention of The

Bullworker,false comparisons between his product and Bullworker{few remarks

about X5 that may be deserved},articles under different names that talk about

isometric then advertise his product,false claims of invention,his

background-surprised that he is not a nuclear physicist and champion world class

power-lifter as well.He steals from anyone he can,pics etc,writes reviews of his

product that he puts into the mouth of others and seems to operate on the

principle that if you are going to tell a lie make it a really big one.I salute

Bert the man who invented space travel.Its impossible to do a little

intelligent research about this man and not want to put the warning flags out.

>

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just noticed when looking at the files that one file confirms

something I had long suspected,that the Rio Power Trainer,The Bodi-Tek Power

Trainer and The Bully Extreme are all the same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Certainly they look alike-I have the Bodi-Tek labelled one and it is

a good strong model.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I looked up the file labelled Muscle Up for Bully and surprise

,surprise the same Irish body-builder and model who appears on the Rio

promotions and exercise charts as well as the Bodi-Tek charts also is featured

demonstrating exercises for Bully Extreme-hope he got paid for it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I did a search for the Rio as well but failed to find a reference to

it this time round perhaps it is no longer marketed under that name.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Readers in the Uk may like to note that the Bodi-Tek Power Worker is

available from the Argos chain at a very reasonable price.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope that this of interest to some of you.I welcome any comments.Ed

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > Thanks Shenandoah,I think that you are quite right.I had noticed and

think that I had mentioned in some previous posting.As I have said before the

quality of the product by whatever name it goes is fine-its just the business

ethics of the way Bully Extreme is marketed that really annoys me.I don't think

that I am alone at all in that sentiment.In passing and rather old news this but

that Bully Extreme even tried to muscle in on Bullworker in Wiki and were told

to desist.If this is of passing interest to anyone they can still check it out

on Wiki.

> > > >

> > >Yes Bert Hernadez is so crooked I bet he could not even take an honest

breath.I would never put any money the way of an operator like him.He is a very

busy little bee indeed infiltrating into any sphere that makes mention of The

Bullworker,false comparisons between his product and Bullworker{few remarks

about X5 that may be deserved},articles under different names that talk about

isometric then advertise his product,false claims of invention,his

background-surprised that he is not a nuclear physicist and champion world class

power-lifter as well.He steals from anyone he can,pics etc,writes reviews of his

product that he puts into the mouth of others and seems to operate on the

principle that if you are going to tell a lie make it a really big one.I salute

Bert the man who invented space travel.Its impossible to do a little

intelligent research about this man and not want to put the warning flags out.

> >

>

You are right Bullworker is not a miracle.I do not believe that there are any

exercise miracles at all.It is an exercise product that I use alongside other

means-principally free weights,machines and exercise tubing alongside some few

bodyweight exercises.It has its advantages and its drawbacks-I can think of no

exercise equipment that does not and can even name a few best left

alone.Inevitably some will experience problems with the Bullworker, as with

every other piece of apparatus I can think of.Others will experience no problems

at all even over the long term with exercises that others will complain of.

Some may choose to use Bullworker exclusively and that is fine by me.Its equally

clear that other readers of this forum use it and other means as part of their

individual approaches to exercise and their specific goals.The bottom line as

far as I am concerned is having a realistic sense of the value of a Bullworker

and what it can both do and not do for you.Once again I know of no type of

training nor piece of apparatus that should be exempt from this

perspective.Believing that any one thing can deliver every type of fitness to

the user is the real and false miracle.Other than that, use and enjoy your

Bullworkers folks.Ed

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Mr. nit-picker just won't give up.

My use of " Miracle " was just a bit of poetic licence.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Just noticed when looking at the files that one file confirms

something I had long suspected,that the Rio Power Trainer,The Bodi-Tek Power

Trainer and The Bully Extreme are all the same.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Certainly they look alike-I have the Bodi-Tek labelled one and it

is a good strong model.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I looked up the file labelled Muscle Up for Bully and surprise

,surprise the same Irish body-builder and model who appears on the Rio

promotions and exercise charts as well as the Bodi-Tek charts also is featured

demonstrating exercises for Bully Extreme-hope he got paid for it?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I did a search for the Rio as well but failed to find a reference

to it this time round perhaps it is no longer marketed under that name.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Readers in the Uk may like to note that the Bodi-Tek Power Worker

is available from the Argos chain at a very reasonable price.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope that this of interest to some of you.I welcome any

comments.Ed

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > Thanks Shenandoah,I think that you are quite right.I had noticed and

think that I had mentioned in some previous posting.As I have said before the

quality of the product by whatever name it goes is fine-its just the business

ethics of the way Bully Extreme is marketed that really annoys me.I don't think

that I am alone at all in that sentiment.In passing and rather old news this but

that Bully Extreme even tried to muscle in on Bullworker in Wiki and were told

to desist.If this is of passing interest to anyone they can still check it out

on Wiki.

> > > > >

> > > >Yes Bert Hernadez is so crooked I bet he could not even take an honest

breath.I would never put any money the way of an operator like him.He is a very

busy little bee indeed infiltrating into any sphere that makes mention of The

Bullworker,false comparisons between his product and Bullworker{few remarks

about X5 that may be deserved},articles under different names that talk about

isometric then advertise his product,false claims of invention,his

background-surprised that he is not a nuclear physicist and champion world class

power-lifter as well.He steals from anyone he can,pics etc,writes reviews of his

product that he puts into the mouth of others and seems to operate on the

principle that if you are going to tell a lie make it a really big one.I salute

Bert the man who invented space travel.Its impossible to do a little

intelligent research about this man and not want to put the warning flags out.

> > >

> >

> You are right Bullworker is not a miracle.I do not believe that there are any

exercise miracles at all.It is an exercise product that I use alongside other

means-principally free weights,machines and exercise tubing alongside some few

bodyweight exercises.It has its advantages and its drawbacks-I can think of no

exercise equipment that does not and can even name a few best left

alone.Inevitably some will experience problems with the Bullworker, as with

every other piece of apparatus I can think of.Others will experience no problems

at all even over the long term with exercises that others will complain of.

>

> Some may choose to use Bullworker exclusively and that is fine by me.Its

equally clear that other readers of this forum use it and other means as part of

their individual approaches to exercise and their specific goals.The bottom line

as far as I am concerned is having a realistic sense of the value of a

Bullworker and what it can both do and not do for you.Once again I know of no

type of training nor piece of apparatus that should be exempt from this

perspective.Believing that any one thing can deliver every type of fitness to

the user is the real and false miracle.Other than that, use and enjoy your

Bullworkers folks.Ed

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Well, you certainly use your poetic license... " miracle " , " nut " , " Mr.

nit-picker " ...having seen your pictures on the Zen site, are we allowed the same

" poetic license " ? :o)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Just noticed when looking at the files that one file confirms

something I had long suspected,that the Rio Power Trainer,The Bodi-Tek Power

Trainer and The Bully Extreme are all the same.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Certainly they look alike-I have the Bodi-Tek labelled one and

it is a good strong model.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I looked up the file labelled Muscle Up for Bully and surprise

,surprise the same Irish body-builder and model who appears on the Rio

promotions and exercise charts as well as the Bodi-Tek charts also is featured

demonstrating exercises for Bully Extreme-hope he got paid for it?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I did a search for the Rio as well but failed to find a

reference to it this time round perhaps it is no longer marketed under that

name.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Readers in the Uk may like to note that the Bodi-Tek Power

Worker is available from the Argos chain at a very reasonable price.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hope that this of interest to some of you.I welcome any

comments.Ed

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks Shenandoah,I think that you are quite right.I had noticed and

think that I had mentioned in some previous posting.As I have said before the

quality of the product by whatever name it goes is fine-its just the business

ethics of the way Bully Extreme is marketed that really annoys me.I don't think

that I am alone at all in that sentiment.In passing and rather old news this but

that Bully Extreme even tried to muscle in on Bullworker in Wiki and were told

to desist.If this is of passing interest to anyone they can still check it out

on Wiki.

> > > > > >

> > > > >Yes Bert Hernadez is so crooked I bet he could not even take an honest

breath.I would never put any money the way of an operator like him.He is a very

busy little bee indeed infiltrating into any sphere that makes mention of The

Bullworker,false comparisons between his product and Bullworker{few remarks

about X5 that may be deserved},articles under different names that talk about

isometric then advertise his product,false claims of invention,his

background-surprised that he is not a nuclear physicist and champion world class

power-lifter as well.He steals from anyone he can,pics etc,writes reviews of his

product that he puts into the mouth of others and seems to operate on the

principle that if you are going to tell a lie make it a really big one.I salute

Bert the man who invented space travel.Its impossible to do a little

intelligent research about this man and not want to put the warning flags out.

> > > >

> > >

> > You are right Bullworker is not a miracle.I do not believe that there are

any exercise miracles at all.It is an exercise product that I use alongside

other means-principally free weights,machines and exercise tubing alongside some

few bodyweight exercises.It has its advantages and its drawbacks-I can think of

no exercise equipment that does not and can even name a few best left

alone.Inevitably some will experience problems with the Bullworker, as with

every other piece of apparatus I can think of.Others will experience no problems

at all even over the long term with exercises that others will complain of.

> >

> > Some may choose to use Bullworker exclusively and that is fine by me.Its

equally clear that other readers of this forum use it and other means as part of

their individual approaches to exercise and their specific goals.The bottom line

as far as I am concerned is having a realistic sense of the value of a

Bullworker and what it can both do and not do for you.Once again I know of no

type of training nor piece of apparatus that should be exempt from this

perspective.Believing that any one thing can deliver every type of fitness to

the user is the real and false miracle.Other than that, use and enjoy your

Bullworkers folks.Ed

> >

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> > Spence has a credible natural physique unmarked by the horrible

> > drug bloat that has now become standard in many areas of body-building

> > with the exception of natural organisations that both test and have a

> > zero tolerance for drug users.Ed

>

> Anyone who thinks Spences physique is the result of Bullworker

> training and natural didn't ever train in the same gym as him ;)

>

> ATB

>

>

, Spence has a credible natural physique and certainly does not look

like a drugger to me.However I do not believe that he is Bullworker trained{nor

have I suggested it} as he is merely modelling for the product.Out of interest

have you trained with him as you imply.I have also known quite natural people

train in gyms where drug use was widespread but would not like to impute guilt

by association.Just wondering.Ed

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Quite right, Ed.

I don't recall anyone here stating that they believed Spence had built

his physique by exclusively using a Bullworker. I had simply remarked that he

had a great physique, unlike a lot of today's bloated, steroid ridden

competitors. Personally, I think Mark Spence is reminiscent of the bodybuilders

of the 50's.

> >

> > > Spence has a credible natural physique unmarked by the horrible

> > > drug bloat that has now become standard in many areas of body-building

> > > with the exception of natural organisations that both test and have a

> > > zero tolerance for drug users.Ed

> >

> > Anyone who thinks Spences physique is the result of Bullworker

> > training and natural didn't ever train in the same gym as him ;)

> >

> > ATB

> >

> >

> , Spence has a credible natural physique and certainly does not

look like a drugger to me.However I do not believe that he is Bullworker

trained{nor have I suggested it} as he is merely modelling for the product.Out

of interest have you trained with him as you imply.I have also known quite

natural people train in gyms where drug use was widespread but would not like to

impute guilt by association.Just wondering.Ed

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