Re: Doctors

September 21, 2003

Jeanette wrote:

>I had a headache this morning that was very painful in my eye.

I don't understand why any of that stuff came up, Jeanette.

If you were in the process of getting to know (and be known

by) a new " regular " doctor (someone you would be seeing

many times), then those subjects (being childless, being

depressed) might be relevant. But not with a one-time

emergent care doc. You should have been able to say, " I have

migraines for which I use Imitrex. Now I need an Imitrex

shot. " Period.

Really weird, all that stuff you described. It's not like

you were asking for something unusual. Imitrex is very widely

prescribed for migraines. Makes me wonder what that doctor's

problem was.

I hope you get some pain relief soon and never have to go

back to that clinic again.

My semi-paranoia ensures that I never will tell any doctor

I am feeling depressed (unless I have decided that I am

" clinically depressed " and need the kind of medication only

prescribed to those officially diagnosed as depressed). It

seems risky to me to give any doctor a chance to " see " a

psych etiology when one is seeking help for a physical or

physiological problem.

Jane

September 21, 2003

The pills made me sleepy and guess what? The damn headache is still there!!

There goes my weekend for study! And if I have it tomorrow- boy am I going to

be pisssed.

I may have to cough up the $200 for the 9 immitrex pills- which may or may not

work. The shots always work.

>Makes me wonder what that doctor's problem was.

Ha! I'll tell you. He's from a country where women are chattel, and he's NT,

and so are the receptionists! I was the only one there- it's not like they had

a line of many people.

He even told me not to see my chiropractic because " He can't do anything for me "

( he's relieved pain in the past) and to " Avoid young doctors " . HE's the nut- I

tell you.

Apparently my " headache off body language " made them decide I was some nut,

schizophrenic hypochondriac who stole a credit card to be able to pay for their

damn services.

See what I mean by NTs and men making judgments that fuck up my life because

they can? The receptionist was trying to hide a smirk as she said " So you

didn't get the shot huh? " She's a fucking bitch.

Who the hell do they think they are?

I'm writing a formal complaint, and I want my money back.

Doctors worry about giving immitrex to people due to high blood pressure. MY

blood pressure is so low at times it's catatonic. Today it was 99 over 55. It

has been lower than that, so there is nothing to worry about.

Jeanette

September 21, 2003

Jeanette,

I am appalled at the treatment that doctor gave you. :-( For the headache,

have you tried plain asprin? I slug my migraines with 4 asprin taken as

soon as I realise it's one. I do get very vague before a migraine, so it

can be a day before I figure it out lol. It works for the headache, but

nothing really helps with the aura and vagueness. Though once the pain is

under control the vagueness does improve.

hth,

sandi

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September 21, 2003

Thank you for your kind words, Sandi- and you too, Jane. It has really helped

my day to have my pain and abuse recognised and validated.

I love you guys. Camille, Jypsy, and many other persons on this list are

the best. You support me and make me feel human again. I can come here and spew

whatever and get it out. You don't judge me or shame me, no matter how weird I

get or when I fly off the handle in a passionate diatrabe and look stupid. You

see through that and support me anyway. I can't get that support in the NT

world.

I like you too, , and I have a lot of respect for you even if we get in

heated debates sometimes. That's why I ask you lots of questions. I think you

are utterly brilliant, and I very much admire your coolness about things, and

would like to learn more from you, since I'm an " Explosive, hot " aspie and

that's something I need to work on. I wish I could be more like you, even

though I think we are polar opposites.

Can I give you guys an internet hug?

Jeanette

Re: Doctors

Jeanette,

I am appalled at the treatment that doctor gave you. :-( For the headache,

have you tried plain asprin? I slug my migraines with 4 asprin taken as

soon as I realise it's one. I do get very vague before a migraine, so it

can be a day before I figure it out lol. It works for the headache, but

nothing really helps with the aura and vagueness. Though once the pain is

under control the vagueness does improve.

hth,

sandi

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September 21, 2003

Jeanette wrote:

> I like you too, , and I have a lot of respect for you even if we

> get in heated debates sometimes.

There's nothing wrong with having passion. Even if I do not agree with

what someone says, I admire the " fire " that drives him or her to debate

the issue. I like to exercise my mind with a conflict of ideas, and

online is the best way, since it bypasses many of the stresses of debate

in person, verbally. I like people (male and female) that are not

afraid to disagree with me and stand up for their opinions. If my

opinions are based in fact, they will stand the test of debate; if they

are based in fallacy, I may learn something.

> That's why I ask you lots of

> questions. I think you are utterly brilliant, and I very much admire

> your coolness about things, and would like to learn more from you,

> since I'm an " Explosive, hot " aspie and that's something I need to

> work on. I wish I could be more like you, even though I think we are

> polar opposites.

Wow! That's got to be the biggest compliment I have received in at

least a year! Thanks.

> Can I give you guys an internet hug?

If you must

September 22, 2003

Jeanette danced around singing:

>That asshole refused to listen to a word I said, insulted me and asked me

>THREE TIMES if I was pregnant (yes, I am FAT) and FIVE TIMES if I had ever

>had a baby- over and over and over.

I had that happen to me when I was *thirteen* years old! I went in with an

organ rupture (and *all* the signs of it) -- pediatrician asked me if I was

pregnant! When I said no, she asked again. Then a nurse asked. Then they

sent my father out of the room and spent another *half-hour* pestering and

cajoling in an attempt to get me to " admit " I was pregnant. I'd never even

had a boyfriend, let alone sex or a pregnancy! They finally relented, but

given I was lying there with a 105-degree F temp, in too much pain to stand

up, it was a " too little, too late " case for my opinion.

I then went in to see a gynecologist last week, age 26. I told her that I

want a hysterectomy to prevent cancer and also so I could stop the

ridiculous " periods " nonsense, as I'm a high cancer risk that happens to

(happily) have no ovaries. She told me someday I might want to have an egg

implanted so I can have kids. I responded, quite clearly: " I don't want

kids. " " But you might someday! " Yeah, great, let me die of cancer, just

as long as I fulfill society's belief that my sole purpose as a female is

as a baby factory. I don't think so.

I'm going to go back there in a couple of months for a secondary checkup --

she was also trying to make me leave my also-childfree boyfriend and wanted

to see if I was still with him! -- and this time I'll be armed with

words. I'm going to explain to her (as I was too shocked last time) that

my autistic sensory configuration prohibits me from spending *any* time

comfortably with kids, and that will be with me the rest of my life. I

will also ask her (for the benefit of the next sterility-seeking childfree

woman that comes through) whether she would ask a woman trying to get

pregnant if *she* " might change her mind " and if she claims it doesn't

happen, I'll have a list of convicted murderous/abusive parents, at least

most of whom either very clearly *did* change their minds or *should* have

been less automatically accepted.

I tend to get fairly irritable when somebody whose preference for breeding

tries to convince me (or others) that nobody else could possibly enjoy (or

*prefer*) life otherwise, just like I am when an extroverted NT tries to

tell me that introvert ACs " must " be miserable because we're not out

partying all the time. I like it this way, both in terms of staying at

home perseverating and having no kids in my home (just lots of cats

... I'm still deeply grateful, five years later, to Parrish for being

the first adult I met that showed me, by example, that " growing up " didn't

mean aliens would take over my body and force me to reproduce. *grin*

DeGraf ~*~ http://sonic.net/mustang/moggy

" You laugh at me because I am different,

but I laugh at you because you are all the same. " - anon

September 22, 2003

DeGraf wrote:

> I then went in to see a gynecologist last week, age 26. I told her

> that I want a hysterectomy to prevent cancer and also so I could stop

> the ridiculous " periods " nonsense, as I'm a high cancer risk that

> happens to (happily) have no ovaries. She told me someday I might

> want to have an egg implanted so I can have kids. I responded, quite

> clearly: " I don't want kids. " " But you might someday! " Yeah, great,

> let me die of cancer, just as long as I fulfill society's belief that

> my sole purpose as a female is as a baby factory. I don't think so.

Not as a female, but as a human. Males are expected to reproduce

someday too. I am certain that I would not be able to have a vasectomy

now, because someday I might want to have kids. I certainly could never

get rid of the damn testes completely... even if I had kids.

I saw a documentary about women who took birth control pills all the

time, excluding the placebos, and who never had periods. Several

gynecologists argued that there is no need for a period, and that they

had no problems with the women they had on constant birth control. Of

course, you get the conventional stuff from some of the others (who had

no clinical evidence that it was " bad " to provide)... self cleaning

design, blah, blah, blah. Well, it does not need to self-clean for

pre-pubescent females, or post-menopausal females, and the odd female

that does not have periods (I had a twentysomething semi-friend

acquaintance who took no meds, but never had a period, and didn't miss

having one); they seem to do okay.

I had a big argument with a female friend over this-- she was incensed

that I said that if I were female, I would try this. She said that if I

was female, I would not think so-- as if being female would change how

convincing I found the story on the documentary, and as if she, as a

female, was the ultimate authority of what any other female thinks, or

even what a male would think if he were female. I do not define my

value as an individual by how close I come to one or the other gender

ideal; I hate that I even have gender, and I would be more likely to do

things that enhance my androgyny than my masculinity-- and were I

female, I would probably think similarly.

September 22, 2003

Klein danced around singing:

>Not as a female, but as a human. Males are expected to reproduce

>someday too. I am certain that I would not be able to have a vasectomy

>now, because someday I might want to have kids.

You're in your 30s, right? I know quite a few men that have had

vasectomies before your age, including guys in their early/mid

twenties. People on the various childfree lists throw virtual " parties "

whenever somebody has a tubal or vas, and also there are enough members to

have awareness of which doctors in each area are willing (without an

argument) to perform either operation. If you ever have need, just let me

know and I'll ask the main newsgroup who is willing to do it wherever

you're living at the time.

I will agree, though, you probably can't convince somebody to remove your

testicles entirely. Though I can't be sure, I know that I heard of it

happening not terribly long ago for a fellow in a similar situation; I'd

have to do a search for it, though. I can understand how you feel right

now, unfortunately; the minimal hormones I was on to prevent menopause

weren't quite enough to do that (though they were too much for my comfort

otherwise), so when I protested last week, the doctor doubled the

dosage. I was unhappily surprised to find that I suddenly have more of

things I really wanted less of, like physical gender characteristics and

libido!

DeGraf ~*~ http://www.sonic.net/mustang/moggy

September 22, 2003

DeGraf wrote:

> You're in your 30s, right? I know quite a few men that have had

> vasectomies before your age, including guys in their early/mid

> twenties. People on the various childfree lists throw virtual

> " parties " whenever somebody has a tubal or vas, and also there are

> enough members to have awareness of which doctors in each area are

> willing (without an argument) to perform either operation.

Interesting. The fact that you have to even maintain a list of such

doctors is indicative that it is unnecessarily difficult.

> If you

> ever have need, just let me know and I'll ask the main newsgroup who

> is willing to do it wherever you're living at the time.

Thanks, but I do not think this is going to be much of a problem. I may

be wrong, but I do not see any sexual activity in my future, with

someone else in the room I mean.

> I will agree, though, you probably can't convince somebody to remove

> your testicles entirely. Though I can't be sure, I know that I heard

> of it happening not terribly long ago for a fellow in a similar

> situation; I'd have to do a search for it, though. I can understand

> how you feel right now, unfortunately; the minimal hormones I was on

> to prevent menopause weren't quite enough to do that (though they

> were too much for my comfort otherwise), so when I protested last

> week, the doctor doubled the dosage. I was unhappily surprised to

> find that I suddenly have more of things I really wanted less of,

> like physical gender characteristics and libido!

Libido is governed by testosterone, in men and women. Women make trace

amounts of testosterone in the ovaries, adrenals, and maybe other

glands, if I remember correctly. If it bothers you now, imagine that

you're virtually flooded with the vile stuff. Men don't think of sex so

much (you know all of the sayings and stereotypes) because of their

brain configuration or anything like that-- it's testosterone poisoning,

a vestige from a time when members of the species did not know what

caused babies, and when excessive libido in the male was necessary to

propogate the species.

As I am not a man, I should not be encumbered with these things.

Everyone told me that the humane thing to do for my male cat was to have

him neutered... he would be happier, less aggressive, live longer, be

more healthy... why, I wonder, is that kind of humanity reserved only

for quadrupeds?

September 22, 2003

wrote:

> I then went in to see a gynecologist last week, age 26.

> I told her that I want a hysterectomy to prevent cancer

> and also so I could stop the ridiculous " periods " nonsense,

> as I'm a high cancer risk that happens to (happily) have

> no ovaries. She told me someday I might want to have an

> egg implanted so I can have kids. I responded, quite

> clearly: " I don't want kids. " " But you might someday! "

> Yeah, great, let me die of cancer, just as long as I

> fulfill society's belief that my sole purpose as a female

> is as a baby factory. I don't think so.

I think you have a couple of very good reasons for wanting

a hysterectomy. I don't see why you (and ) couldn't

tell the doctors, " I know you're a Doctor, that's why I came

here. But you don't know ME as well as I know me, and I'm

telling you that I'm an adult and I Know what I want. So

stop being so patronizing and *listen* to what I'm saying -

I want a ___________. " If s/he doesn't then enter a serious

discussion of the subject, I would get up and walk out,

without paying, and get a new doctor. Why pay to be treated

like a child?

Clay

September 22, 2003

At 06:21 PM 9/21/2003 -0700, you wrote:

I used to live closer to my Dr than I do now but since I like him I stayed

with him and that means 30 minutes one way to his office and 45 minutes one

way to the hospital he has rights in. The Charlottetown hospital is much

closer, 15-20 minutes away.

I carry with me a hospital requisition for the shot that my regular Dr

filled out, that way if I ever need to go to Charlottetown for it at least

I have my Dr sort of " vouching for me " . It is still up to the ER Dr. to

decide what he/she wants to do about the situation but the one time I've

used it it certainly smoothed the way.

-jypsy

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September 22, 2003

Just another psychotic " medical professional " on the payroll of the drug

companies!

" Let me see, what is this week's special from XYZ company/ What did you say

you were here for? "

My mother wanted me to be a doctor. I'd rather be helping people. I think

I made the right choice - I'm not a doctor.

Colin (Who also gets bad headaches, but doesn't go near a doctor for that).

Doctors

> Hi All,

>

> I had a headache this morning that was very painful in my eye. Actually,

its STILL HERE, thanks to the stupid doctor I went to for a headache shot.

4 Alleve didn't work. I get these when I'm stressed ( and ladies, you know

that special time of the month, sorry if that was too much information.)

>

> I went to a clinic since it was the only place that was open, my shots had

expired and I really can't give myself a shot unless I absolutely have to.

>

> That asshole refused to listen to a word I said, insulted me and asked me

THREE TIMES if I was pregnant (yes, I am FAT) and FIVE TIMES if I had ever

had a baby- over and over and over. I guess that's the male doctor's test

for sanity. If you are pregnant, or have had kids, THEN you should be taken

seriously. And of course, the post- birth uterus will cure all headaches

( I'm being sarcastic.)

>

> I 'm a woman so in his warped mind I MUST have had kids. That of course

had nothing to do with my headache. I finally told him AGAIN that NO, I

don't have children and I never have. He looked at me like I was from Mars

and said " WHY " ? I told him how I was able to accomplish the amazing feat of

being a childless woman, never having been impregnated, and I did this

medically, ( I don't think you really want to know how) and he said " ARE

YOU CRAZY!!! YOU WILL NEVER HAVE KIDS! " Then to his face I said, " That's a

personal judgment- I DON'T WANT KIDS... " And I get " Oh. Yes, that's a

personal judgment- but that is UNUSUAL " as he tried to backtrack from his

bull.

>

> I told him I was depressed and he asked, " Why are you depressed? " I guess

if I don't have children that MUST be why I'm depressed, that's why I'm so

worthless in his mind. I despise male doctors. He was the only one there I

could see.

>

> I told him I think I may have Asperser's syndrome... and I get " WHAT?? " I

told him it's a mild form of autism. And I get " NO!!!! NO!!! IF YOU HAD

AUTISM I COULDN'T TALK TO YOU!!! "

>

> Then he said " you have a lot of problems- I can tell from just looking at

you... DEAL WITH YOU PROBLEMS, OK? " What the hell did that SOB think I was

in there for? To " deal " with my problems- MY HEADACHE, which he had made

worse. How the hell am I suppose to look like with a headache anyway?

>

> He gave me some pills for tension headache, instead of doing what I always

have done, get an immitrex shot. Immitrex WORKS. He insists that I'm a

psychopath and totally nuts, so he gives me a ration of shit and then gives

me crap that doesn't work. ( the pills aren't working). He insisted that

the immitrex doesn't work for my kind of headache, even though it has in the

past.

>

> He kept saying " YOU HAVE TENSION (gee, from sitting there taking abuse)

you have anxiety!!! " In other words, he really meant, " You stupid,

childless, manless, freak of a woman! All you women make shit up because

you're too emotional- here take these relaxants ( a depressed Aspie with

sleep apnea really should be drugged down, eh?) and never come back here

again! " I could have just gone to the store and tanked down a glass of

vodka. I would've been cheaper too.

>

> The pharmacist was nicer to me than the doctor, listened more, knew more,

and treated me with respect! I couldn't believe it! She even showed

concern when I told her that Excedrin Tension headache didn't work, but gave

me a horrible stomach ache. I looked on the label and saw inactive

ingredients " Benzoic Acid " AAHH!! What is THAT doing in there? I know what

it is, and I don't like it. She looked for the bottles to compare it with

other meds. Sweet lady.

>

> I guess SHE doesn't think I'm nuts.

>

> If only I could sue....

>

> Jeanette

>

September 22, 2003

I had no idea that pregnancy causes a 105 fever! What kind of idiot was

that doctor anyway?

Re: Doctors

> Jeanette danced around singing:

> >That asshole refused to listen to a word I said, insulted me and asked me

> >THREE TIMES if I was pregnant (yes, I am FAT) and FIVE TIMES if I had

ever

> >had a baby- over and over and over.

>

> I had that happen to me when I was *thirteen* years old! I went in with

an

> organ rupture (and *all* the signs of it) -- pediatrician asked me if I

was

> pregnant! When I said no, she asked again. Then a nurse asked. Then

they

> sent my father out of the room and spent another *half-hour* pestering and

> cajoling in an attempt to get me to " admit " I was pregnant. I'd never

even

> had a boyfriend, let alone sex or a pregnancy! They finally relented, but

> given I was lying there with a 105-degree F temp, in too much pain to

stand

> up, it was a " too little, too late " case for my opinion.

>

> I then went in to see a gynecologist last week, age 26. I told her that I

> want a hysterectomy to prevent cancer and also so I could stop the

> ridiculous " periods " nonsense, as I'm a high cancer risk that happens to

> (happily) have no ovaries. She told me someday I might want to have an

egg

> implanted so I can have kids. I responded, quite clearly: " I don't want

> kids. " " But you might someday! " Yeah, great, let me die of cancer, just

> as long as I fulfill society's belief that my sole purpose as a female is

> as a baby factory. I don't think so.

>

> I'm going to go back there in a couple of months for a secondary

checkup --

> she was also trying to make me leave my also-childfree boyfriend and

wanted

> to see if I was still with him! -- and this time I'll be armed with

> words. I'm going to explain to her (as I was too shocked last time) that

> my autistic sensory configuration prohibits me from spending *any* time

> comfortably with kids, and that will be with me the rest of my life. I

> will also ask her (for the benefit of the next sterility-seeking childfree

> woman that comes through) whether she would ask a woman trying to get

> pregnant if *she* " might change her mind " and if she claims it doesn't

> happen, I'll have a list of convicted murderous/abusive parents, at least

> most of whom either very clearly *did* change their minds or *should* have

> been less automatically accepted.

>

> I tend to get fairly irritable when somebody whose preference for breeding

> tries to convince me (or others) that nobody else could possibly enjoy (or

> *prefer*) life otherwise, just like I am when an extroverted NT tries to

> tell me that introvert ACs " must " be miserable because we're not out

> partying all the time. I like it this way, both in terms of staying at

> home perseverating and having no kids in my home (just lots of cats

> ... I'm still deeply grateful, five years later, to Parrish for being

> the first adult I met that showed me, by example, that " growing up " didn't

> mean aliens would take over my body and force me to reproduce. *grin*

>

> DeGraf ~*~ http://sonic.net/mustang/moggy

> " You laugh at me because I am different,

> but I laugh at you because you are all the same. " - anon

>

September 22, 2003

Well Folks,

I'm finally better

WHY?

I decided to be reckless as hell. With all the pills that stupid doctor gave

me the headache would get weak and then come back with a vengeance. I couldn't

sleep all night. At 5 am my head hurt so bad I couldn't take it anymore.

I went ahead and injected expired medication in myself in the bleak hope that it

might have some potency left 6 months after expiring.

I remember that being shot in the arm didn't hurt as much as the leg, so I went

for it, using all the injectable old immitrex meds I had left.

AND IT WORKED.

One definitely would not be enough. They most certainly lost potency, but all

of them took my headache away

And that stupid miserable doctor told me I DON'T have a migraine- just a tension

headache, and if I take the meds that will prove his theory. WELL I GUESS HE'S

WRONG. I have a vascular AND tension headache. I think I remember my

chiropractor saying that the blood vessels in my neck, at the base of the head,

get messed up, causing a headache- there is muscle tension too, but the fact

that the immitrex works proves that it is also vascular in nature.

Stupid doctors don't know anything at all.