Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 I have a rottie who had a HL amputation for OSA-she is about 85# I would like to offer the owner some routines to increase her strength in the remaining hind leg. I can think of physioroll, maybe some peanut butter routines-any other suggestions would be very welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 How long ago was the amputation? When I have worked with dogs with amputations that have occurred in the past I often see some compensatory trunk curvature. In that case I stretch the concave or shortened side and and strengthen the convex or lengthened side. I like to stretch the concave side by having the dog stand and lean their convex side against my trunk. I use my hands to lengthen the lateral abd. muscles on the concave side as I use my body to accentuate the stretch. Cookie stretches are alos great for stretching. To strengthen the convex side l especially ike to do sidelying cookie reaches. I have the dog lie on their concave (or shorter side). I encourage the dog to reach for a treat by lifting as much of their convex side off the surface. I try to have the head, neck, and shoulders lift off the surface (but don't let the dog prop on the elbows as they won't be using abs anymore). I would do this with both sides, but just more reps with the concave side on the downside. If this is a fairly new amputation without trunk compensations yet, great! But I would still do core strengthening exercises as they will be more inportant than ever. I know it might be hard to visualize. If you have any questions and want to e-mail me off list. Feel free! Thanks! Jeanine Freeberg, PT, DPTrfreedman wrote: I have a rottie who had a HL amputation for OSA-she is about 85# I would like to offer the owner some routines to increase her strength in the remaining hind leg. I can think of physioroll, maybe some peanut butter routines-any other suggestions would be very welcome Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Jeannie thanks-right after i finished the 1st email, I had a minute to stop and think about core-the amputation was done about 4 months ago. We are on the same page I hope others chime in too. Re: amputee How long ago was the amputation? When I have worked with dogs with amputations that have occurred in the past I often see some compensatory trunk curvature. In that case I stretch the concave or shortened side and and strengthen the convex or lengthened side. I like to stretch the concave side by having the dog stand and lean their convex side against my trunk. I use my hands to lengthen the lateral abd. muscles on the concave side as I use my body to accentuate the stretch. Cookie stretches are alos great for stretching. To strengthen the convex side l especially ike to do sidelying cookie reaches. I have the dog lie on their concave (or shorter side). I encourage the dog to reach for a treat by lifting as much of their convex side off the surface. I try to have the head, neck, and shoulders lift off the surface (but don't let the dog prop on the elbows as they won't be using abs anymore). I would do this with both sides, but just more reps with the concave side on the downside. If this is a fairly new amputation without trunk compensations yet, great! But I would still do core strengthening exercises as they will be more inportant than ever. I know it might be hard to visualize. If you have any questions and want to e-mail me off list. Feel free! Thanks! Jeanine Freeberg, PT, DPTrfreedman <rfreedmaniqworks (DOT) net> wrote: I have a rottie who had a HL amputation for OSA-she is about 85# I would like to offer the owner some routines to increase her strength in the remaining hind leg. I can think of physioroll, maybe some peanut butter routines-any other suggestions would be very welcome Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 , Also, if you have access to a pool, having the dog do figure 8's or cirlcles in the water would be great (on land too). I had an owner who had a pool at home and I suggested they use their pool noodle in the dog's mouth and guide him around the pool. It worked great because he loved playing with the noodle. Jeaninerfreedman wrote: Jeannie thanks-right after i finished the 1st email, I had a minute to stop and think about core-the amputation was done about 4 months ago. We are on the same page I hope others chime in too. Re: amputee How long ago was the amputation? When I have worked with dogs with amputations that have occurred in the past I often see some compensatory trunk curvature. In that case I stretch the concave or shortened side and and strengthen the convex or lengthened side. I like to stretch the concave side by having the dog stand and lean their convex side against my trunk. I use my hands to lengthen the lateral abd. muscles on the concave side as I use my body to accentuate the stretch. Cookie stretches are alos great for stretching. To strengthen the convex side l especially ike to do sidelying cookie reaches. I have the dog lie on their concave (or shorter side). I encourage the dog to reach for a treat by lifting as much of their convex side off the surface. I try to have the head, neck, and shoulders lift off the surface (but don't let the dog prop on the elbows as they won't be using abs anymore). I would do this with both sides, but just more reps with the concave side on the downside. If this is a fairly new amputation without trunk compensations yet, great! But I would still do core strengthening exercises as they will be more inportant than ever. I know it might be hard to visualize. If you have any questions and want to e-mail me off list. Feel free! Thanks! Jeanine Freeberg, PT, DPTrfreedman <rfreedmaniqworks (DOT) net> wrote: I have a rottie who had a HL amputation for OSA-she is about 85# I would like to offer the owner some routines to increase her strength in the remaining hind leg. I can think of physioroll, maybe some peanut butter routines-any other suggestions would be very welcome Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Dear , Osteosarcs usually show up in chronically posturally overused bones and joints, ie. their propensity to happen in legs that had cruciate surgeries that scarred heavily(Wolf's Law), or the diagonal heavy weight bearing leg. The body sometimes can't heal more than normal wear and tear and an injury without the tissues eventually going nuts. If the dog is having trouble with his amputation in keeping his balance, acting as if he still wants to use the nonexistent leg, then you must reprogram the system through dural torque reduction, balance mechanism reset, training after-the-fact ambidexterity, ambipedality in mobilizers and stabilizers.Making the effort to correct any postural defect through chiropractic and/or osteopathic manipulations and postural reprogramming will yield much better results and allow any other local and physical therapy to be much more effective. We all have seen tripods, even big ones, that are great. I even made a bipod foxhound (diagonal legs) that did famously for several years, these are usually the traumatic cases. The chronic postural overuse ones have a harder time changing their "handedness." If I can be of any help in explaining specific mechanisms and possible corrections for specific deficits that the patient shows you, please let me know. Judith M. Shoemaker, DVMAlways Helpful Veterinary Services305 Nottingham RoadNottingham, PA 19362ph fax info@... www.judithshoemaker.com To: VetRehab From: jeaninefreeberg@...Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:15:28 -0700Subject: Re: amputee , Also, if you have access to a pool, having the dog do figure 8's or cirlcles in the water would be great (on land too). I had an owner who had a pool at home and I suggested they use their pool noodle in the dog's mouth and guide him around the pool. It worked great because he loved playing with the noodle. Jeaninerfreedman <rfreedmaniqworks (DOT) net> wrote: Jeannie thanks-right after i finished the 1st email, I had a minute to stop and think about core-the amputation was done about 4 months ago. We are on the same page I hope others chime in too. Re: amputee How long ago was the amputation? When I have worked with dogs with amputations that have occurred in the past I often see some compensatory trunk curvature. In that case I stretch the concave or shortened side and and strengthen the convex or lengthened side. I like to stretch the concave side by having the dog stand and lean their convex side against my trunk. I use my hands to lengthen the lateral abd. muscles on the concave side as I use my body to accentuate the stretch. Cookie stretches are alos great for stretching. To strengthen the convex side l especially ike to do sidelying cookie reaches. I have the dog lie on their concave (or shorter side). I encourage the dog to reach for a treat by lifting as much of their convex side off the surface. I try to have the head, neck, and shoulders lift off the surface (but don't let the dog prop on the elbows as they won't be using abs anymore). I would do this with both sides, but just more reps with the concave side on the downside. If this is a fairly new amputation without trunk compensations yet, great! But I would still do core strengthening exercises as they will be more inportant than ever. I know it might be hard to visualize. If you have any questions and want to e-mail me off list. Feel free! Thanks! Jeanine Freeberg, PT, DPTrfreedman <rfreedmaniqworks (DOT) net> wrote: I have a rottie who had a HL amputation for OSA-she is about 85# I would like to offer the owner some routines to increase her strength in the remaining hind leg. I can think of physioroll, maybe some peanut butter routines-any other suggestions would be very welcome Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 I call these 'side sit-ups'.Does this look like what you are describing, Jeanine? Regards,Carol Helfer, DVMPortland, OR To: VetRehab From: jeaninefreeberg@...Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:11:44 -0700Subject: Re: amputee How long ago was the amputation? When I have worked with dogs with amputations that have occurred in the past I often see some compensatory trunk curvature. In that case I stretch the concave or shortened side and and strengthen the convex or lengthened side. I like to stretch the concave side by having the dog stand and lean their convex side against my trunk. I use my hands to lengthen the lateral abd. muscles on the concave side as I use my body to accentuate the stretch. Cookie stretches are alos great for stretching. To strengthen the convex side l especially ike to do sidelying cookie reaches. I have the dog lie on their concave (or shorter side). I encourage the dog to reach for a treat by lifting as much of their convex side off the surface. I try to have the head, neck, and shoulders lift off the surface (but don't let the dog prop on the elbows as they won't be using abs anymore). I would do this with both sides, but just more reps with the concave side on the downside. If this is a fairly new amputation without trunk compensations yet, great! But I would still do core strengthening exercises as they will be more inportant than ever. I know it might be hard to visualize. If you have any questions and want to e-mail me off list. Feel free! Thanks! Jeanine Freeberg, PT, DPTrfreedman <rfreedmaniqworks (DOT) net> wrote: I have a rottie who had a HL amputation for OSA-she is about 85# I would like to offer the owner some routines to increase her strength in the remaining hind leg. I can think of physioroll, maybe some peanut butter routines-any other suggestions would be very welcome Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Judith, I'm sorry i'm having some trouble keeping up. Osteosarcoma is caused by chronically posturally overused bones and joints? The heavy scarring that occurs after cruciate surgery is a result of Wolf's Law? Could you explain these statements in a little more detail, please. steve > >Reply-To: VetRehab >To: <vetrehab > >Subject: RE: amputee >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:57:52 -0400 > >Dear , > >Osteosarcs usually show up in chronically posturally overused bones and >joints, ie. their propensity to happen in legs that had cruciate surgeries >that scarred heavily(Wolf's Law), or the diagonal heavy weight bearing leg. >The body sometimes can't heal more than normal wear and tear and an injury >without the tissues eventually going nuts. >If the dog is having trouble with his amputation in keeping his balance, >acting as if he still wants to use the nonexistent leg, then you must >reprogram the system through dural torque reduction, balance mechanism >reset, training after-the-fact ambidexterity, ambipedality in mobilizers >and stabilizers.Making the effort to correct any postural defect through >chiropractic and/or osteopathic manipulations and postural reprogramming >will yield much better results and allow any other local and physical >therapy to be much more effective. >We all have seen tripods, even big ones, that are great. I even made a >bipod foxhound (diagonal legs) that did famously for several years, these >are usually the traumatic cases. The chronic postural overuse ones have a >harder time changing their " handedness. " If I can be of any help in >explaining specific mechanisms and possible corrections for specific >deficits that the patient shows you, please let me know. > Judith M. Shoemaker, DVMAlways Helpful Veterinary Services305 Nottingham >RoadNottingham, PA 19362ph fax >info@... www.judithshoemaker.com > > >To: VetRehab@...: jeaninefreeberg@...: Tue, 25 >Mar 2008 11:15:28 -0700Subject: Re: amputee > > > > > >, > >Also, if you have access to a pool, having the dog do figure 8's or >cirlcles in the water would be great (on land too). I had an owner who had >a pool at home and I suggested they use their pool noodle in the dog's >mouth and guide him around the pool. It worked great because he loved >playing with the noodle. > >Jeaninerfreedman wrote: > > > >Jeannie >thanks-right after i finished the 1st email, I had a minute to stop and >think about core-the amputation was done about 4 months ago. We are on the >same page >I hope others chime in too. > > > > Re: amputee > > > >How long ago was the amputation? When I have worked with dogs with >amputations that have occurred in the past I often see some compensatory >trunk curvature. In that case I stretch the concave or shortened side and >and strengthen the convex or lengthened side. > >I like to stretch the concave side by having the dog stand and lean their >convex side against my trunk. I use my hands to lengthen the lateral abd. >muscles on the concave side as I use my body to accentuate the stretch. >Cookie stretches are alos great for stretching. To strengthen the convex >side l especially ike to do sidelying cookie reaches. I have the dog lie on >their concave (or shorter side). I encourage the dog to reach for a treat >by lifting as much of their convex side off the surface. I try to have the >head, neck, and shoulders lift off the surface (but don't let the dog prop >on the elbows as they won't be using abs anymore). I would do this with >both sides, but just more reps with the concave side on the downside. > >If this is a fairly new amputation without trunk compensations yet, great! >But I would still do core strengthening exercises as they will be more >inportant than ever. > >I know it might be hard to visualize. If you have any questions and want >to e-mail me off list. Feel free! > >Thanks! > >Jeanine Freeberg, PT, DPTrfreedman wrote: > > > >I have a rottie who had a HL amputation for OSA-she is about 85# >I would like to offer the owner some routines to increase her strength in >the remaining hind leg. >I can think of physioroll, maybe some peanut butter routines-any other >suggestions would be very welcome > > > > > >Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > > >Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. >http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US & ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile\ _Zune_V3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 I have several dogs with amputee of HL, one of things i find most important is being proactive with the forelimbs and remaining HL. Strength of the remaining HL should not be too much of an issue, however, i have found that they tend to have very tight hip muscles due to shortening of gait. With compensations i find often they have spasms / tightness in the shoulder and TL area as well. I teach the owner simple massage and stretching techniques of major muscle groups (core, shoulders, and hips) as it helps to avoid secondary injuries. Since it is a large dog, effleurage is great for the spine and kneading strokes really work well on soft tissues in shoulders and thigh area. Hope this helps a little tania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Absolutley! I've found that depending on where I place the treat for which the dog is reaching, I can recruit different fibers. For example, if I place the treat directly above the dog versus a more oblique angle, I will engage different parts of the trunk. I like to play with how long I have the dog hold the position trying to get the treat. If the dog is really focused, I like to use the treat to raise off the floor and then slowly lowering back to the floor. This provides a nice eccentric contraction of the abs. When the dog is really advanced I like to incorporate using an incline and decline aspect as well with both the concentric and eccentric part of the exercise. "Carol Helfer, DVM" wrote: I call these 'side sit-ups'.Does this look like what you are describing, Jeanine? Regards,Carol Helfer, DVMPortland, OR To: VetRehab From: jeaninefreebergDate: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:11:44 -0700Subject: Re: amputee How long ago was the amputation? When I have worked with dogs with amputations that have occurred in the past I often see some compensatory trunk curvature. In that case I stretch the concave or shortened side and and strengthen the convex or lengthened side. I like to stretch the concave side by having the dog stand and lean their convex side against my trunk. I use my hands to lengthen the lateral abd. muscles on the concave side as I use my body to accentuate the stretch. Cookie stretches are alos great for stretching. To strengthen the convex side l especially ike to do sidelying cookie reaches. I have the dog lie on their concave (or shorter side). I encourage the dog to reach for a treat by lifting as much of their convex side off the surface. I try to have the head, neck, and shoulders lift off the surface (but don't let the dog prop on the elbows as they won't be using abs anymore). I would do this with both sides, but just more reps with the concave side on the downside. If this is a fairly new amputation without trunk compensations yet, great! But I would still do core strengthening exercises as they will be more inportant than ever. I know it might be hard to visualize. If you have any questions and want to e-mail me off list. Feel free! Thanks! Jeanine Freeberg, PT, DPTrfreedman <rfreedmaniqworks (DOT) net> wrote: I have a rottie who had a HL amputation for OSA-she is about 85# I would like to offer the owner some routines to increase her strength in the remaining hind leg. I can think of physioroll, maybe some peanut butter routines-any other suggestions would be very welcome Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Dear Steve, I would love to talk with you at length about this subject. The biomechanics, the neurology, the research, etc. behind it. Dr. Gellman and I teach a seminar on the subject. If you have a moment to check out the seminar website at www.posturalrehabvets.com it gives a brief synopsis of the subjects. I am not trying to sell the seminar to you, though we would love to have you!! It just might be a good way to give you an idea of where I am coming from and allow us to have a more efficient idea exchange. Looking forward to talking with you immensely,Judith M. Shoemaker, DVMAlways Helpful Veterinary Services305 Nottingham RoadNottingham, PA 19362ph fax info@... www.judithshoemaker.com To: VetRehab From: vrasteve@...Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:15:22 +0000Subject: RE: amputee Judith,I'm sorry i'm having some trouble keeping up.Osteosarcoma is caused by chronically posturally overused bones and joints?The heavy scarring that occurs after cruciate surgery is a result of Wolf's Law?Could you explain these statements in a little more detail, please.steve>From: Judith Shoemaker <judithshoemakerhotmail>>Reply-To: VetRehab >To: <vetrehab >>Subject: RE: amputee>Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:57:52 -0400>>Dear ,>>Osteosarcs usually show up in chronically posturally overused bones and >joints, ie. their propensity to happen in legs that had cruciate surgeries >that scarred heavily(Wolf's Law), or the diagonal heavy weight bearing leg. >The body sometimes can't heal more than normal wear and tear and an injury >without the tissues eventually going nuts.>If the dog is having trouble with his amputation in keeping his balance, >acting as if he still wants to use the nonexistent leg, then you must >reprogram the system through dural torque reduction, balance mechanism >reset, training after-the-fact ambidexterity, ambipedality in mobilizers >and stabilizers.Making the effort to correct any postural defect through >chiropractic and/or osteopathic manipulations and postural reprogramming >will yield much better results and allow any other local and physical >therapy to be much more effective.>We all have seen tripods, even big ones, that are great. I even made a >bipod foxhound (diagonal legs) that did famously for several years, these >are usually the traumatic cases. The chronic postural overuse ones have a >harder time changing their "handedness." If I can be of any help in >explaining specific mechanisms and possible corrections for specific >deficits that the patient shows you, please let me know.> Judith M. Shoemaker, DVMAlways Helpful Veterinary Services305 Nottingham >RoadNottingham, PA 19362ph fax >infojudithshoemaker www.judithshoemaker.com>>>To: VetRehab From: jeaninefreebergDate: Tue, 25 >Mar 2008 11:15:28 -0700Subject: Re: amputee>>>>>>,>>Also, if you have access to a pool, having the dog do figure 8's or >cirlcles in the water would be great (on land too). I had an owner who had >a pool at home and I suggested they use their pool noodle in the dog's >mouth and guide him around the pool. It worked great because he loved >playing with the noodle.>>Jeaninerfreedman <rfreedmaniqworks (DOT) net> wrote:>>>>Jeannie>thanks-right after i finished the 1st email, I had a minute to stop and >think about core-the amputation was done about 4 months ago. We are on the >same page>I hope others chime in too.>>>> Re: amputee>>>>How long ago was the amputation? When I have worked with dogs with >amputations that have occurred in the past I often see some compensatory >trunk curvature. In that case I stretch the concave or shortened side and >and strengthen the convex or lengthened side.>>I like to stretch the concave side by having the dog stand and lean their >convex side against my trunk. I use my hands to lengthen the lateral abd. >muscles on the concave side as I use my body to accentuate the stretch. >Cookie stretches are alos great for stretching. To strengthen the convex >side l especially ike to do sidelying cookie reaches. I have the dog lie on >their concave (or shorter side). I encourage the dog to reach for a treat >by lifting as much of their convex side off the surface. I try to have the >head, neck, and shoulders lift off the surface (but don't let the dog prop >on the elbows as they won't be using abs anymore). I would do this with >both sides, but just more reps with the concave side on the downside.>>If this is a fairly new amputation without trunk compensations yet, great! >But I would still do core strengthening exercises as they will be more >inportant than ever.>>I know it might be hard to visualize. If you have any questions and want >to e-mail me off list. Feel free!>>Thanks!>>Jeanine Freeberg, PT, DPTrfreedman <rfreedmaniqworks (DOT) net> wrote:>>>>I have a rottie who had a HL amputation for OSA-she is about 85#>I would like to offer the owner some routines to increase her strength in >the remaining hind leg.>I can think of physioroll, maybe some peanut butter routines-any other >suggestions would be very welcome>>>>>>Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.>>>>>Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________________>Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes.>http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US & ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3 Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 I also do these with dogs on a dynadisk! Patti Triola, PT, CCRTJeanine Freeberg wrote: Absolutley! I've found that depending on where I place the treat for which the dog is reaching, I can recruit different fibers. For example, if I place the treat directly above the dog versus a more oblique angle, I will engage different parts of the trunk. I like to play with how long I have the dog hold the position trying to get the treat. If the dog is really focused, I like to use the treat to raise off the floor and then slowly lowering back to the floor. This provides a nice eccentric contraction of the abs. When the dog is really advanced I like to incorporate using an incline and decline aspect as well with both the concentric and eccentric part of the exercise. "Carol Helfer, DVM" <cjhelfermsn> wrote: I call these 'side sit-ups'.Does this look like what you are describing, Jeanine? Regards,Carol Helfer, DVMPortland, OR To: VetRehab From: jeaninefreebergDate: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:11:44 -0700Subject: Re: amputee How long ago was the amputation? When I have worked with dogs with amputations that have occurred in the past I often see some compensatory trunk curvature. In that case I stretch the concave or shortened side and and strengthen the convex or lengthened side. I like to stretch the concave side by having the dog stand and lean their convex side against my trunk. I use my hands to lengthen the lateral abd. muscles on the concave side as I use my body to accentuate the stretch. Cookie stretches are alos great for stretching. To strengthen the convex side l especially ike to do sidelying cookie reaches. I have the dog lie on their concave (or shorter side). I encourage the dog to reach for a treat by lifting as much of their convex side off the surface. I try to have the head, neck, and shoulders lift off the surface (but don't let the dog prop on the elbows as they won't be using abs anymore). I would do this with both sides, but just more reps with the concave side on the downside. If this is a fairly new amputation without trunk compensations yet, great! But I would still do core strengthening exercises as they will be more inportant than ever. I know it might be hard to visualize. If you have any questions and want to e-mail me off list. Feel free! Thanks! Jeanine Freeberg, PT, DPTrfreedman <rfreedmaniqworks (DOT) net> wrote: I have a rottie who had a HL amputation for OSA-she is about 85# I would like to offer the owner some routines to increase her strength in the remaining hind leg. I can think of physioroll, maybe some peanut butter routines-any other suggestions would be very welcome Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Patti Triola, PT, CCRT Dogs In Motion, In Home Canine Rehabilitation & Wellness / fax: / mobile: www.dogsinmotion.net Il. State Liaison, Animal PT SIG, APTA Founder of the Suburban Chicagoland Dachshund Lovers It's a Dachshund Thing, others just don't understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Judith, Can you provide the whole group with more information? Perhaps this could lead to a great professional multi-disciplinary discussion on this site as well as promote attendance at the seminar. Patti Triola, PT, CCRT Dogs In Motion Judith Shoemaker wrote: Dear Steve, I would love to talk with you at length about this subject. The biomechanics, the neurology, the research, etc. behind it. Dr. Gellman and I teach a seminar on the subject. If you have a moment to check out the seminar website at www.posturalrehabvets.com it gives a brief synopsis of the subjects. I am not trying to sell the seminar to you, though we would love to have you!! It just might be a good way to give you an idea of where I am coming from and allow us to have a more efficient idea exchange. Looking forward to talking with you immensely,Judith M. Shoemaker, DVMAlways Helpful Veterinary Services305 Nottingham RoadNottingham, PA 19362ph fax infojudithshoemaker www.judithshoemaker.com To: VetRehab From: vrastevemsnDate: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:15:22 +0000Subject: RE: amputee Judith,I'm sorry i'm having some trouble keeping up.Osteosarcoma is caused by chronically posturally overused bones and joints?The heavy scarring that occurs after cruciate surgery is a result of Wolf's Law?Could you explain these statements in a little more detail, please.steve>From: Judith Shoemaker <judithshoemakerhotmail>>Reply-To: VetRehab >To: <vetrehab >>Subject: RE: amputee>Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:57:52 -0400>>Dear ,>>Osteosarcs usually show up in chronically posturally overused bones and >joints, ie. their propensity to happen in legs that had cruciate surgeries >that scarred heavily(Wolf's Law), or the diagonal heavy weight bearing leg. >The body sometimes can't heal more than normal wear and tear and an injury >without the tissues eventually going nuts.>If the dog is having trouble with his amputation in keeping his balance, >acting as if he still wants to use the nonexistent leg, then you must >reprogram the system through dural torque reduction, balance mechanism >reset, training after-the-fact ambidexterity, ambipedality in mobilizers >and stabilizers.Making the effort to correct any postural defect through >chiropractic and/or osteopathic manipulations and postural reprogramming >will yield much better results and allow any other local and physical >therapy to be much more effective.>We all have seen tripods, even big ones, that are great. I even made a >bipod foxhound (diagonal legs) that did famously for several years, these >are usually the traumatic cases. The chronic postural overuse ones have a >harder time changing their "handedness." If I can be of any help in >explaining specific mechanisms and possible corrections for specific >deficits that the patient shows you, please let me know.> Judith M. Shoemaker, DVMAlways Helpful Veterinary Services305 Nottingham >RoadNottingham, PA 19362ph fax >infojudithshoemaker www.judithshoemaker.com>>>To: VetRehab From: jeaninefreebergDate: Tue, 25 >Mar 2008 11:15:28 -0700Subject: Re: amputee>>>>>>,>>Also, if you have access to a pool, having the dog do figure 8's or >cirlcles in the water would be great (on land too). I had an owner who had >a pool at home and I suggested they use their pool noodle in the dog's >mouth and guide him around the pool. It worked great because he loved >playing with the noodle.>>Jeaninerfreedman <rfreedmaniqworks (DOT) net> wrote:>>>>Jeannie>thanks-right after i finished the 1st email, I had a minute to stop and >think about core-the amputation was done about 4 months ago. We are on the >same page>I hope others chime in too.>>>> Re: amputee>>>>How long ago was the amputation? When I have worked with dogs with >amputations that have occurred in the past I often see some compensatory >trunk curvature. In that case I stretch the concave or shortened side and >and strengthen the conve! x or len gthened side.>>I like to stretch the concave side by having the dog stand and lean their >convex side against my trunk. I use my hands to lengthen the lateral abd. >muscles on the concave side as I use my body to accentuate the stretch. >Cookie stretches are alos great for stretching. To strengthen the convex >side l especially ike to do sidelying cookie reaches. I have the dog lie on >their concave (or shorter side). I encourage the dog to reach for a treat >by lifting as much of their convex side off the surface. I try to have the >head, neck, and shoulders lift off the surface (but don't let the dog prop >on the elbows as they won't be using abs anymore). I would do this with >both sides, but just more reps with the concave side on the downside.>>If this is a fairly new amputation without trunk compensations yet, great! >But I would still do core strengthening exercises as they will be more >inportant than ever.>>I know it might be hard to visualize. If you have any questions and want >to e-mail me off list. Feel free!>>Thanks!>>Jeanine Freeberg, PT, DPTrfreedman <rfreedmaniqworks (DOT) net> wrote:>>>>I have a rottie who had a HL amputation for OSA-she is about 85#>I would like to offer the owner some routines to increase her strength in >the remaining hind leg.>I can think of physioroll, maybe some peanut butter routines-any other >suggestions would be very welcome>>>>>>Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.>>>>>Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________________>Windows Live Ho! tmail is giving away Zunes.>http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US & ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3 Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win. Patti Triola, PT, CCRT Dogs In Motion, In Home Canine Rehabilitation & Wellness / fax: / mobile: www.dogsinmotion.net Il. 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Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Judith maybe you can elucidate or direct me. I was under the impression that the cause of osteosarcoma was unknown but I obviously was mistaken. I also thought that Wolf's law was directed towards the remodelling of the bone and had nothing to do with the production of scar tissue. Possibly you could reference a place where I might start to understand and rethink this. Steve > >Reply-To: VetRehab >To: VetRehab >Subject: RE: amputee >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:13:29 -0700 (PDT) > >Judith, > > Can you provide the whole group with more information? Perhaps this >could lead to a great professional multi-disciplinary discussion on this >site as well as promote attendance at the seminar. > > Patti Triola, PT, CCRT > Dogs In Motion > > >Judith Shoemaker wrote: > Dear Steve, > >I would love to talk with you at length about this subject. The >biomechanics, the neurology, the research, etc. behind it. Dr. Gellman and >I teach a seminar on the subject. If you have a moment to check out the >seminar website at www.posturalrehabvets.com it gives a brief synopsis of >the subjects. I am not trying to sell the seminar to you, though we would >love to have you!! It just might be a good way to give you an idea of where >I am coming from and allow us to have a more efficient idea exchange. > >Looking forward to talking with you immensely, > >Judith M. Shoemaker, DVM >Always Helpful Veterinary Services >305 Nottingham Road >Nottingham, PA 19362 >ph fax > info@... > www.judithshoemaker.com > > > > >--------------------------------- > To: VetRehab >From: vrasteve@... >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:15:22 +0000 >Subject: RE: amputee > > Judith, > >I'm sorry i'm having some trouble keeping up. > >Osteosarcoma is caused by chronically posturally overused bones and joints? > >The heavy scarring that occurs after cruciate surgery is a result of Wolf's >Law? > >Could you explain these statements in a little more detail, please. > >steve > > > > >Reply-To: VetRehab > >To: <vetrehab > > >Subject: RE: amputee > >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:57:52 -0400 > > > >Dear , > > > >Osteosarcs usually show up in chronically posturally overused bones and > >joints, ie. their propensity to happen in legs that had cruciate >surgeries > >that scarred heavily(Wolf's Law), or the diagonal heavy weight bearing >leg. > >The body sometimes can't heal more than normal wear and tear and an >injury > >without the tissues eventually going nuts. > >If the dog is having trouble with his amputation in keeping his balance, > >acting as if he still wants to use the nonexistent leg, then you must > >reprogram the system through dural torque reduction, balance mechanism > >reset, training after-the-fact ambidexterity, ambipedality in mobilizers > >and stabilizers.Making the effort to correct any postural defect through > >chiropractic and/or osteopathic manipulations and postural reprogramming > >will yield much better results and allow any other local and physical > >therapy to be much more effective. > >We all have seen tripods, even big ones, that are great. I even made a > >bipod foxhound (diagonal legs) that did famously for several years, these > >are usually the traumatic cases. The chronic postural overuse ones have a > >harder time changing their " handedness. " If I can be of any help in > >explaining specific mechanisms and possible corrections for specific > >deficits that the patient shows you, please let me know. > > Judith M. Shoemaker, DVMAlways Helpful Veterinary Services305 Nottingham > >RoadNottingham, PA 19362ph fax > >info@... www.judithshoemaker.com > > > > > >To: VetRehab@...: jeaninefreeberg@...: Tue, 25 > >Mar 2008 11:15:28 -0700Subject: Re: amputee > > > > > > > > > > > >, > > > >Also, if you have access to a pool, having the dog do figure 8's or > >cirlcles in the water would be great (on land too). I had an owner who >had > >a pool at home and I suggested they use their pool noodle in the dog's > >mouth and guide him around the pool. It worked great because he loved > >playing with the noodle. > > > >Jeaninerfreedman wrote: > > > > > > > >Jeannie > >thanks-right after i finished the 1st email, I had a minute to stop and > >think about core-the amputation was done about 4 months ago. We are on >the > >same page > >I hope others chime in too. > > > > > > > > Re: amputee > > > > > > > >How long ago was the amputation? When I have worked with dogs with > >amputations that have occurred in the past I often see some compensatory > >trunk curvature. In that case I stretch the concave or shortened side and > >and strengthen the conve! x or len gthened side. > > > >I like to stretch the concave side by having the dog stand and lean their > >convex side against my trunk. I use my hands to lengthen the lateral abd. > >muscles on the concave side as I use my body to accentuate the stretch. > >Cookie stretches are alos great for stretching. To strengthen the convex > >side l especially ike to do sidelying cookie reaches. I have the dog lie >on > >their concave (or shorter side). I encourage the dog to reach for a treat > >by lifting as much of their convex side off the surface. I try to have >the > >head, neck, and shoulders lift off the surface (but don't let the dog >prop > >on the elbows as they won't be using abs anymore). I would do this with > >both sides, but just more reps with the concave side on the downside. > > > >If this is a fairly new amputation without trunk compensations yet, >great! > >But I would still do core strengthening exercises as they will be more > >inportant than ever. > > > >I know it might be hard to visualize. If you have any questions and want > >to e-mail me off list. Feel free! > > > >Thanks! > > > >Jeanine Freeberg, PT, DPTrfreedman wrote: > > > > > > > >I have a rottie who had a HL amputation for OSA-she is about 85# > >I would like to offer the owner some routines to increase her strength in > >the remaining hind leg. > >I can think of physioroll, maybe some peanut butter routines-any other > >suggestions would be very welcome > > > > > > > > > > > >Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! >Search. > > > > > > > > > >Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________________ > >Windows Live Ho! tmail is giving away Zunes. > >http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US & ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile\ _Zune_V3 > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win. > > > > > Patti Triola, PT, CCRT > Dogs In Motion, In Home Canine Rehabilitation & Wellness > / fax: / mobile: > www.dogsinmotion.net > Il. State Liaison, Animal PT SIG, APTA > > Founder of the Suburban Chicagoland Dachshund Lovers > It's a Dachshund Thing, others just don't understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 To all that are interested please see the website for a practical synopsis of Postural Rehabilitation. www.posturalrehabvets.com This digression travels rapidly from specifics to global generalities, not giving a full view of the concepts. That is what we attempt to do in 75+ hours of C.E.!! But hopefully I can provide some food for thought and discussion and will cause some to question more deeply how and why things happen. Certainly there are multiple mechanisms that result in dedifferentiation, however the most generally accepted and predictable causes are chronic inflammation, tissue toxins not being eliminated effectively, overwhelming production of metabolic toxins, poor oxygenation of tissues, and other changes that can be the result of chronic overuse and excessive wear and tear. Micro-injury creates appropriate inflammation to heal itself. The tissues respond to the forces placed on them, all tissues, all systems, all cell types. This is Wolf's Law. Excess stress to any tissue causes a response, the body ramps up production of cell components, DNA is divided and expressed to meet the demand, metabolic by products are increased, organization may be lost, circulation and drainage may be compromised. DNA, rapidly dividing, can be damaged by the deteriorating environment resulting in dystrophic and eventually more primitive, dedifferentiating cell types. They are doing the best they can in the situation they are in! Think of lung tissue in a chronic smoker--chronic insult,resulting in chronic inflammation, with chronic leverage of cleanup mechanisms, more inflammation, more toxins, more dead tissue to be walled off or carried away, more compromise of drainage and circulation, poor oxygenation, poor intracellular environment, causing compromise of DNA, more need for less differentiated cells, as more cell types are damaged and their environment is altered. How could the body not do this given the insult? This is the way it responds. The same happens in a bone that is constantly overstressed by innappropriate forces determined by mechanisms elsewhere, such as weight and the upper cervical righting reflexes. Dealing with these are much more of a priority for the animal than the soreness created by chronic, excessive micro injury. The animal will continue to overuse a limb, even if it is inflamed, to keep its central nervous system uncompromised by dural torque, or by balance loss, as these are higher priorities than pain. The priorities of the nervous system are: 1)Minimize Compromise of the Central Nervous System, most specifically from dural torque or tension, as these will have global effect on the system's ability to function to manage any other priority 2)Maintain balance and righting mechanisms. 3)Respond to environment and critical sensory input. 4)Respond to pain. This is a vast concept, but the greatest, most consistent influence on the integrity, function, and balance of the system is gravity. Gravity defines them. Posture, or how we interact with gravity, is the emergent property of the complex system that illustrates the integrative state and function of the animal as it relates to this constant force. We can evaluate very accurately the reflexes and responses to the constant of gravity and have insight as to where there is dysfunction (and modify it) by understanding how the posture changes, due to dysfunction in the system. It's the reason why some people can just watch an animal walk through the door and know what's wrong, the mechanics of this intuitive evaluation are repeatable. Every integrative medical system from Homotoxicology to Traditional Chinese Medicine to Chiropractic to Osteopathy to Aruyveda all allude to a paradigm of illness, disease and healing that is consistent with a complexity theory model with hierarchical organization instead of the multisystem homeostasis model that is the basis of conventional medicine's paradigm. These "alternative" systems often predict the emergent properties and outcomes of the complex system more accurately than the more Newtonian model that we were taught. Understanding the biomechanical basis of postural overuse and its sequelae is accurate elegant physics and a sophisticated integration of functional neurology and physiology, which are complex systems. It is really exciting to be able to influence the whole environment of healing, using points of maximum influence on the complexity model rather than treating the after effects of a dysfunction, not being able to stop the cause, or not preventing the problem in the first place. Thank you for your indulgence if you have read this! Judith M. Shoemaker, DVMAlways Helpful Veterinary Services305 Nottingham RoadNottingham, PA 19362ph fax info@... www.judithshoemaker.com To: VetRehab From: vrasteve@...Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:25:29 +0000Subject: RE: amputee Judith maybe you can elucidate or direct me.I was under the impression that the cause of osteosarcoma was unknown but I obviously was mistaken. I also thought that Wolf's law was directed towards the remodelling of the bone and had nothing to do with the production of scar tissue. Possibly you could reference a place where I might start to understand and rethink this.Steve>From: Patti <patpt1sbcglobal (DOT) net>>Reply-To: VetRehab >To: VetRehab >Subject: RE: amputee>Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:13:29 -0700 (PDT)>>Judith,>> Can you provide the whole group with more information? Perhaps this >could lead to a great professional multi-disciplinary discussion on this >site as well as promote attendance at the seminar.>> Patti Triola, PT, CCRT> Dogs In Motion>>>Judith Shoemaker <judithshoemakerhotmail> wrote:> Dear Steve,>>I would love to talk with you at length about this subject. The >biomechanics, the neurology, the research, etc. behind it. Dr. Gellman and >I teach a seminar on the subject. If you have a moment to check out the >seminar website at www.posturalrehabvets.com it gives a brief synopsis of >the subjects. I am not trying to sell the seminar to you, though we would >love to have you!! It just might be a good way to give you an idea of where >I am coming from and allow us to have a more efficient idea exchange.>>Looking forward to talking with you immensely,>>Judith M. Shoemaker, DVM>Always Helpful Veterinary Services>305 Nottingham Road>Nottingham, PA 19362>ph fax > infojudithshoemaker> www.judithshoemaker.com>>>>>---------------------------------> To: VetRehab >From: vrastevemsn>Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:15:22 +0000>Subject: RE: amputee>> Judith,>>I'm sorry i'm having some trouble keeping up.>>Osteosarcoma is caused by chronically posturally overused bones and joints?>>The heavy scarring that occurs after cruciate surgery is a result of Wolf's>Law?>>Could you explain these statements in a little more detail, please.>>steve>> >From: Judith Shoemaker <judithshoemakerhotmail>> >Reply-To: VetRehab > >To: <vetrehab >> >Subject: RE: amputee> >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:57:52 -0400> >> >Dear ,> >> >Osteosarcs usually show up in chronically posturally overused bones and> >joints, ie. their propensity to happen in legs that had cruciate >surgeries> >that scarred heavily(Wolf's Law), or the diagonal heavy weight bearing >leg.> >The body sometimes can't heal more than normal wear and tear and an >injury> >without the tissues eventually going nuts.> >If the dog is having trouble with his amputation in keeping his balance,> >acting as if he still wants to use the nonexistent leg, then you must> >reprogram the system through dural torque reduction, balance mechanism> >reset, training after-the-fact ambidexterity, ambipedality in mobilizers> >and stabilizers.Making the effort to correct any postural defect through> >chiropractic and/or osteopathic manipulations and postural reprogramming> >will yield much better results and allow any other local and physical> >therapy to be much more effective.> >We all have seen tripods, even big ones, that are great. I even made a> >bipod foxhound (diagonal legs) that did famously for several years, these> >are usually the traumatic cases. The chronic postural overuse ones have a> >harder time changing their "handedness." If I can be of any help in> >explaining specific mechanisms and possible corrections for specific> >deficits that the patient shows you, please let me know.> > Judith M. Shoemaker, DVMAlways Helpful Veterinary Services305 Nottingham> >RoadNottingham, PA 19362ph fax > >infojudithshoemaker www.judithshoemaker.com> >> >> >To: VetRehab From: jeaninefreebergDate: Tue, 25> >Mar 2008 11:15:28 -0700Subject: Re: amputee> >> >> >> >> >> >,> >> >Also, if you have access to a pool, having the dog do figure 8's or> >cirlcles in the water would be great (on land too). I had an owner who >had> >a pool at home and I suggested they use their pool noodle in the dog's> >mouth and guide him around the pool. It worked great because he loved> >playing with the noodle.> >> >Jeaninerfreedman <rfreedmaniqworks (DOT) net> wrote:> >> >> >> >Jeannie> >thanks-right after i finished the 1st email, I had a minute to stop and> >think about core-the amputation was done about 4 months ago. We are on >the> >same page> >I hope others chime in too.> >> >> >> > Re: amputee> >> >> >> >How long ago was the amputation? When I have worked with dogs with> >amputations that have occurred in the past I often see some compensatory> >trunk curvature. In that case I stretch the concave or shortened side and> >and strengthen the conve! x or len gthened side.> >> >I like to stretch the concave side by having the dog stand and lean their> >convex side against my trunk. I use my hands to lengthen the lateral abd.> >muscles on the concave side as I use my body to accentuate the stretch.> >Cookie stretches are alos great for stretching. To strengthen the convex> >side l especially ike to do sidelying cookie reaches. I have the dog lie >on> >their concave (or shorter side). I encourage the dog to reach for a treat> >by lifting as much of their convex side off the surface. I try to have >the> >head, neck, and shoulders lift off the surface (but don't let the dog >prop> >on the elbows as they won't be using abs anymore). I would do this with> >both sides, but just more reps with the concave side on the downside.> >> >If this is a fairly new amputation without trunk compensations yet, >great!> >But I would still do core strengthening exercises as they will be more> >inportant than ever.> >> >I know it might be hard to visualize. If you have any questions and want> >to e-mail me off list. Feel free!> >> >Thanks!> >> >Jeanine Freeberg, PT, DPTrfreedman <rfreedmaniqworks (DOT) net> wrote:> >> >> >> >I have a rottie who had a HL amputation for OSA-she is about 85#> >I would like to offer the owner some routines to increase her strength in> >the remaining hind leg.> >I can think of physioroll, maybe some peanut butter routines-any other> >suggestions would be very welcome> >> >> >> >> >> >Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! >Search.> >> >> >> >> >Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >__________________________________________________________> >Windows Live Ho! tmail is giving away Zunes.> >http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US & ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3>>>>>>>>---------------------------------> Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win.>>>>> Patti Triola, PT, CCRT> Dogs In Motion, In Home Canine Rehabilitation & Wellness> / fax: / mobile: > www.dogsinmotion.net> Il. State Liaison, Animal PT SIG, APTA>> Founder of the Suburban Chicagoland Dachshund Lovers> It's a Dachshund Thing, others just don't understand.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Dear Steve, The cancer registry is possibly the most wonderful potential opportunity to examine the incidence associations of assymmetrical or inappropriate weight bearing and osteosarcoma. Nearly 30 years of clinical experience certainly has convinced me there is an association, but objective data greater than mine is needed. Thank you for what you are doing. It is truly a special effort at finding truth. I look forward to talking with you more. Judith M. Shoemaker, DVMAlways Helpful Veterinary Services305 Nottingham RoadNottingham, PA 19362ph fax info@... www.judithshoemaker.com To: VetRehab From: vrasteve@...Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:25:29 +0000Subject: RE: amputee Judith maybe you can elucidate or direct me.I was under the impression that the cause of osteosarcoma was unknown but I obviously was mistaken. I also thought that Wolf's law was directed towards the remodelling of the bone and had nothing to do with the production of scar tissue. Possibly you could reference a place where I might start to understand and rethink this.Steve>From: Patti <patpt1sbcglobal (DOT) net>>Reply-To: VetRehab >To: VetRehab >Subject: RE: amputee>Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:13:29 -0700 (PDT)>>Judith,>> Can you provide the whole group with more information? Perhaps this >could lead to a great professional multi-disciplinary discussion on this >site as well as promote attendance at the seminar.>> Patti Triola, PT, CCRT> Dogs In Motion>>>Judith Shoemaker <judithshoemakerhotmail> wrote:> Dear Steve,>>I would love to talk with you at length about this subject. The >biomechanics, the neurology, the research, etc. behind it. Dr. Gellman and >I teach a seminar on the subject. If you have a moment to check out the >seminar website at www.posturalrehabvets.com it gives a brief synopsis of >the subjects. I am not trying to sell the seminar to you, though we would >love to have you!! It just might be a good way to give you an idea of where >I am coming from and allow us to have a more efficient idea exchange.>>Looking forward to talking with you immensely,>>Judith M. Shoemaker, DVM>Always Helpful Veterinary Services>305 Nottingham Road>Nottingham, PA 19362>ph fax > infojudithshoemaker> www.judithshoemaker.com>>>>>---------------------------------> To: VetRehab >From: vrastevemsn>Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:15:22 +0000>Subject: RE: amputee>> Judith,>>I'm sorry i'm having some trouble keeping up.>>Osteosarcoma is caused by chronically posturally overused bones and joints?>>The heavy scarring that occurs after cruciate surgery is a result of Wolf's>Law?>>Could you explain these statements in a little more detail, please.>>steve>> >From: Judith Shoemaker <judithshoemakerhotmail>> >Reply-To: VetRehab > >To: <vetrehab >> >Subject: RE: amputee> >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:57:52 -0400> >> >Dear ,> >> >Osteosarcs usually show up in chronically posturally overused bones and> >joints, ie. their propensity to happen in legs that had cruciate >surgeries> >that scarred heavily(Wolf's Law), or the diagonal heavy weight bearing >leg.> >The body sometimes can't heal more than normal wear and tear and an >injury> >without the tissues eventually going nuts.> >If the dog is having trouble with his amputation in keeping his balance,> >acting as if he still wants to use the nonexistent leg, then you must> >reprogram the system through dural torque reduction, balance mechanism> >reset, training after-the-fact ambidexterity, ambipedality in mobilizers> >and stabilizers.Making the effort to correct any postural defect through> >chiropractic and/or osteopathic manipulations and postural reprogramming> >will yield much better results and allow any other local and physical> >therapy to be much more effective.> >We all have seen tripods, even big ones, that are great. I even made a> >bipod foxhound (diagonal legs) that did famously for several years, these> >are usually the traumatic cases. The chronic postural overuse ones have a> >harder time changing their "handedness." If I can be of any help in> >explaining specific mechanisms and possible corrections for specific> >deficits that the patient shows you, please let me know.> > Judith M. Shoemaker, DVMAlways Helpful Veterinary Services305 Nottingham> >RoadNottingham, PA 19362ph fax > >infojudithshoemaker www.judithshoemaker.com> >> >> >To: VetRehab From: jeaninefreebergDate: Tue, 25> >Mar 2008 11:15:28 -0700Subject: Re: amputee> >> >> >> >> >> >,> >> >Also, if you have access to a pool, having the dog do figure 8's or> >cirlcles in the water would be great (on land too). I had an owner who >had> >a pool at home and I suggested they use their pool noodle in the dog's> >mouth and guide him around the pool. It worked great because he loved> >playing with the noodle.> >> >Jeaninerfreedman <rfreedmaniqworks (DOT) net> wrote:> >> >> >> >Jeannie> >thanks-right after i finished the 1st email, I had a minute to stop and> >think about core-the amputation was done about 4 months ago. We are on >the> >same page> >I hope others chime in too.> >> >> >> > Re: amputee> >> >> >> >How long ago was the amputation? When I have worked with dogs with> >amputations that have occurred in the past I often see some compensatory> >trunk curvature. In that case I stretch the concave or shortened side and> >and strengthen the conve! x or len gthened side.> >> >I like to stretch the concave side by having the dog stand and lean their> >convex side against my trunk. I use my hands to lengthen the lateral abd.> >muscles on the concave side as I use my body to accentuate the stretch.> >Cookie stretches are alos great for stretching. To strengthen the convex> >side l especially ike to do sidelying cookie reaches. I have the dog lie >on> >their concave (or shorter side). I encourage the dog to reach for a treat> >by lifting as much of their convex side off the surface. I try to have >the> >head, neck, and shoulders lift off the surface (but don't let the dog >prop> >on the elbows as they won't be using abs anymore). I would do this with> >both sides, but just more reps with the concave side on the downside.> >> >If this is a fairly new amputation without trunk compensations yet, >great!> >But I would still do core strengthening exercises as they will be more> >inportant than ever.> >> >I know it might be hard to visualize. If you have any questions and want> >to e-mail me off list. Feel free!> >> >Thanks!> >> >Jeanine Freeberg, PT, DPTrfreedman <rfreedmaniqworks (DOT) net> wrote:> >> >> >> >I have a rottie who had a HL amputation for OSA-she is about 85#> >I would like to offer the owner some routines to increase her strength in> >the remaining hind leg.> >I can think of physioroll, maybe some peanut butter routines-any other> >suggestions would be very welcome> >> >> >> >> >> >Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! >Search.> >> >> >> >> >Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >__________________________________________________________> >Windows Live Ho! tmail is giving away Zunes.> >http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US & ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3>>>>>>>>---------------------------------> Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win.>>>>> Patti Triola, PT, CCRT> Dogs In Motion, In Home Canine Rehabilitation & Wellness> / fax: / mobile: > www.dogsinmotion.net> Il. State Liaison, Animal PT SIG, APTA>> Founder of the Suburban Chicagoland Dachshund Lovers> It's a Dachshund Thing, others just don't understand.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted March 29, 2008 Report Share Posted March 29, 2008 > I have a rottie who had a HL amputation for OSA-she is about 85# > I would like to offer the owner some routines to increase her strength in the remaining hind leg. > I can think of physioroll, maybe some peanut butter routines-any other suggestions would be very welcome > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > > > Patti Triola, PT, CCRT > Dogs In Motion, In Home Canine Rehabilitation & Wellness > / fax: / mobile: > www.dogsinmotion.net > Il. State Liaison, Animal PT SIG, APTA > > Founder of the Suburban Chicagoland Dachshund Lovers > It's a Dachshund Thing, others just don't understand. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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