Re: Taping luxating patellas

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I have found the leukotape to be more effective on the dogs than the kinseiotape...

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I would be really interested as well if anyone has had success with this. I haven't tried patella luxation taping per se. But I have tried kinesiotaping. In my experience, even when you shave the dogs there is still some hair left and the tape doesn't adhere as well and the tape therefore can't perform its function. If anyone has strategies for taping dogs that does work I'm all ears! Jeanine Combs wrote: A human PT mentioned to me that Debbie Gross-Sauders

talked about a way of taping luxatin patellas so that strengthening exercies could be done. Does anyone know more about this? Thanks,

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Narelle Stubbs, a physiotherapist from Australia, did a breakfast forum at the last Symposium on taping for neurofacilitation/feedback in horses (and dogs). (I'm certain her notes are in the Proceedings.) She tends to use Kinesiotape, McConnail strapping tape, and duct tape (even cheaper) without shaving/clipping fur. The focus of her taping techniques is to facilitate muscle contractions/activation and awareness with the tape on the fur, rather than by using the tape to mechanically "move" structures, such as the patella. If you do a search of the most recent (human) PT literature on taping, you'll find that it doesn't matter so much as to "where" the tape is applied (medial or lateral to the patella) but the method by which it's applied AND the therapeutic activities that are performed with the tape applied. Also, in (human) PT, there's more focus on activating hip musculature to actively stabilize the patella, rather than to actually "move" the patella with tape. I'm certain that you won't be able to move the patella in a dog with tape-- not just because of the fur, but because the skin is so mobile. My suggestion would be to use the tape to create more awareness and to facilitate the muscles that you'd like to be active-- for example, if the dog has a grade I/II MPL, apply the tape to the hip abductor muscles (gluts, etc).

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Amie L. Hesbach, MSPT, CCRP, CCRT

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I would be really interested as well if anyone has had success with this. I haven't tried patella luxation taping per se. But I have tried kinesiotaping. In my experience, even when you shave the dogs there is still some hair left and the tape doesn't adhere as well and the tape therefore can't perform its function. If anyone has strategies for taping dogs that does work I'm all ears!

Jeanine Combs <oliviachichi> wrote:

A human PT mentioned to me that Debbie Gross-Sauders talked about a way of taping luxatin patellas so that strengthening exercies could be done. Does anyone know more about this? Thanks,

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Amie, So for kinesiotaping did she tape directly to the fur? I'm intrigued. Even with shaving I couldn't get my kinesiotape to adhere. But it was a German Shep. Maybe more success with a smooth haired breed? I would be so excited if I could find a way to adhere. I love using kinesio with my human kiddos. Jeanineforpawsrehab@... wrote: Narelle Stubbs, a physiotherapist from Australia, did a breakfast forum at the last Symposium on taping for

neurofacilitation/feedback in horses (and dogs). (I'm certain her notes are in the Proceedings.) She tends to use Kinesiotape, McConnail strapping tape, and duct tape (even cheaper) without shaving/clipping fur. The focus of her taping techniques is to facilitate muscle contractions/activation and awareness with the tape on the fur, rather than by using the tape to mechanically "move" structures, such as the patella. If you do a search of the most recent (human) PT literature on taping, you'll find that it doesn't matter so much as to "where" the tape is applied (medial or lateral to the patella) but the method by which it's applied AND the therapeutic activities that are performed with the tape applied. Also, in (human) PT, there's more focus on activating hip musculature to actively stabilize the patella, rather than to actually "move" the patella with tape. I'm certain that you won't be able to move the

patella in a dog with tape-- not just because of the fur, but because the skin is so mobile. My suggestion would be to use the tape to create more awareness and to facilitate the muscles that you'd like to be active-- for example, if the dog has a grade I/II MPL, apply the tape to the hip abductor muscles (gluts, etc). Happy Thanksgiving! Amie L. Hesbach, MSPT, CCRP, CCRT -------------- Original message -------------- From: Jeanine Freeberg <jeaninefreeberg> I would be really interested as well if anyone has had success with this. I haven't tried patella luxation taping per se. But I have tried kinesiotaping. In my experience, even when you shave the dogs there is still some hair left and the tape doesn't adhere as well and the tape therefore can't perform its

function. If anyone has strategies for taping dogs that does work I'm all ears! Jeanine Combs <oliviachichi> wrote: A human PT mentioned to me that Debbie Gross-Sauders talked about a way of taping luxatin patellas so that strengthening exercies could be done. Does anyone know more about this? Thanks, Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.

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Amie, I love theratogs for the humans! I actually used to have a lot of the nu-stim material and tried to make my own garments for the doggies. A little difficult around the hips due to my non-existent sewing skills (I was trying to replicate the shorts like the kids wear as an anchor for the straps), but I was able to cut the material in thinnner strips and do some cool things with strapping. Only down side, they tended to slide a little due to the shape of the hind leg -- again, why I tried to make the shorts to anchor the straps. Recently I tried to order some more nu-stim as I've run out from experimenting with it but I was told my distributor could no longer sell it. I was wondering if it was a patent thing with Bev Cusick? Jeanine forpawsrehab@... wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong (anyone who went to Narelle's lecture at VetPT), but I believe that she tended to use Kinesiotape (and duct tape) for horses rather and strapping tape on dogs. And, yes, directly on the fur. I've tried Kinesiotape on dogs previously and have had some (minor) success, but definitely using it more on the trunk, belly, etc. (more exposed areas) than on the limbs. I've also learned that longer stips of Kinesiotape work better than shorter. Strapping tape has worked much better for me for "staying power." Dr. Kase even published a case (in the Kinesiotaping journal-- not a PubMed listed journal, by the

way) using Kinesiotape on a dog with hip dysplasia a few years back. Another alternative that I've found helpful has been TheraTogs. I use the Tog straps over the "garments" like I would use tape. Not a long term solution, but certainly something that can be helpful in a therapy session. (Jeanine, being a p edi PT, you're probably familiar with TheraTogs/TheraDogs?) Amie -------------- Original message -------------- From: Jeanine Freeberg <jeaninefreeberg> Amie, So for kinesiotaping did she tape directly to the fur? I'm intrigued. Even with shaving I couldn't get my kinesiotape to adhere. But it was a German Shep. Maybe more success with a smooth haired breed? I would be so excited if I could find a way to adhere. I love using

kinesio with my human kiddos. Jeanineforpawsrehabcomcast (DOT) net wrote: Narelle Stubbs, a physiotherapist from Australia, did a breakfast forum at the last Symposium on taping for neurofacilitation/feedback in horses (and dogs). (I'm certain her notes are in the Proceedings.) She tends to use Kinesiotape, McConnail strapping tape, and duct tape (even cheaper) without shaving/clipping fur. The focus of her taping techniques is to facilitate muscle contractions/activation and awareness with the tape on the fur, rather than by using the tape to mechanically "move" structures, such as the patella. If you do a search of the most recent (human) PT literature on taping, you'll find that it doesn't matter so much as to "where" the tape is applied (medial or lateral to the

patella) but the method by which it's applied AND the therapeutic activities that are performed with the tape applied. Also, in (human) PT, there's more focus on activating hip musculature to actively stabilize the patella, rather th an to actually "move" the patella with tape. I'm certain that you won't be able to move the patella in a dog with tape-- not just because of the fur, but because the skin is so mobile. My suggestion would be to use the tape to create more awareness and to facilitate the muscles that you'd like to be active-- for example, if the dog has a grade I/II MPL, apply the tape to the hip abductor muscles (gluts, etc). Happy Thanksgiving! Amie L. Hesbach, MSPT, CCRP, CCRT -------------- Original message -------------- From: Jeanine Freeberg <jeaninefreeberg> I would be really interested as well if anyone has had success with this. I haven't tried patella luxation taping per se. But I have tried kinesiotaping. In my experience, even when you shave the dogs there is still some hair left and the tape doesn't adhere as well and the tape therefore can't perform its function. If anyone has strategies for taping dogs that does work I'm all ears! Jeanine Combs <oliviachichi> wrote: A human PT mentioned to me that Debbie Gross-Sauders talked about a way of taping luxatin patellas so that strengthening exercies could be done. Does anyone know more about this? Thanks, Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo!

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