Re: Noob here, chest pain, knife in shoulder blade

[Guest guest]

My sister was saying that she heard that the brain is 50% cholesterol, so if you suck too much out of the body... could that explain the reports of some kind of alzheimers being caued by statins?

I have read different reports where some say that it may help alzheimers and some say it can make us more suseptable. What do we believe? Every part of our body need cholesterol so that's why I think it's wrong to reduce it too much. I wonder who comes up with the numbers of how much cholesterol is OK and how much is'nt? Maybe it's more relevent to look into our family history to see if we are at risk or not. So much research and so little time!

[Guest guest]

Hi Bill and welcome.

With me it was the joints that I use most.. hands, elbows and shoulders.

And...it only took 1.5 to 2 months for this to manifest itself, but 7 to

8 months off from Lipitor to get over the symptoms.

Bob

******************

Bill wrote:

> Hi All,

> I had been on Lipitor for about 2 years and gradually started

> noticing a " head detached from body " feeling. I also take Atenolol

> for high BP. So I stopped all my meds as I thought at least one

> would be the culprit. After about 4 months off the meds, there was

> no change in the way I felt, so I went back on the Lipitor, thinking

> it was the BP meds. I started out 1 week breaking the 10 mg Lipitor

> in half and the next week taking the full 10mg (my total Cholesterol

> # is @ 245). The day after taking the 10mg I noticed pain in my

> chest and back (like a knife stuck under my shoulderblade) and in my

> biceps/triceps and a tingling in my left hand and foot fingertips

> and toes. The doc says it's not the Lipitor and I had an EKG, X-

> rays, stress test. CAT scan and bloodwork. The Stress test came back

> and the doc said that my endurance was excellent (I'm a runner) and

> I had no blockages. Everything else was OK as well.

> I can with utmost certanty say that the pain came the day after and

> was a direct result of upping my Lipitor dosage to 10mg. That's what

> my BODY is telling me. I also noticed that the muscles that are

> still sore are the ones that I had been working in the gym the week

> prior. My chest and back and arms.

> Has anyone else noticed a relationship between muscle pain from

> Lipitor and the mucsles affected from working out? Also has anyone

> else noticed a " head detached from body " sensation from Lipitor? I

> feel like I have not slept at all.

> Thanks to all and have a great weekend!

> Bill

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bill wrote: Lipitor for about 2 years...

* gradually noticed a " head detached from body " feeling

* also take Atenolol for high BP

* stopped all meds for 4 months - no change in the way I felt

* so I went back on the Lipitor, thinking it was the BP meds

* started out 1 week breaking the 10 mg Lipitor in half

* next week taking the full 10mg of Lipitor (TC 245)

* EKG, X-rays, stress test, CAT scan, bloodwork

- all excellent - no blockages

* Doc says it's (pain) not the Lipitor

* pain is in my chest and back (like a knife stuck under my

shoulderblade) and in my biceps/triceps and a tingling in my

left hand and foot fingertips and toes.

* I feel like I have not slept at all

Hi Bill,

I captured your " main points " above as they tell a very specific

chain of events. The " head detached from body " feeling you

describe is also described by others as a " spacey, can't really

put your finger on it " type of feeling.

Statins affect the brain in many different ways, but the culprit

is CoQ10 deficiency. Statins and CoQ10 use the same pathway

and as a result, CoQ10 is depleted. CoQ10 deficiency, as it

pertains to the brain, can cause: forgetfulness, disorientation,

confusion, memory loss, TGA (transient global amnesia), just

to name a few.

Now the next point of interest is that you stopped and then

restarted statins, started at a low dose, then increased the

dose. Everytime a person is rechallenged with a statin

and/or the dose is increased, there is an even greater chance

of adverse side effects.

Your doctor ran a bunch of tests, but did he do a CK or CKP

to see if Lipitor is affecting your muscles? The CK or CPK

test is not foolproof. It can come back negative, but there is

still muscle damage. In that situation your doctor would

need to do a muscle biopsy.

Almost every doctor in the world will swear on a stack of

Bibles that statins are not causing your side effects,

especially when you've been taking the drug for awhile.

CoQ10 deficiency can take time to manifest itself. My

husband was supplementing with 100mg of CoQ10 while

taking 10mg, then 20mg of Lipitor over the course of 5

years. CoQ10 100mg was not enough to compensate for

his CoQ10 deficiency. He was mis-diagnosed with

Alzheimer's and suffered several bouts of TGA.

The tingling you describe is a symptom of peripheral

neuropathy. The sharp pains in your biceps/triceps

indicate that statins are affecting your muscles. Statins

are notorious for making one " exercise intolerant " . In

fact it's one of the most common complaints.

And last but not least, statins cause sleep disorders, hence

your feeling of " I have not slept at all " . Fatigue is also a

common complaint.

I highly recommend that you visit Dr Duane Graveline's

website. The only thing he sells is his book, " Statin Drugs -

Side Effects and the Misguided War on Cholesterol.

He has written numerous " topic specific " articles:

http://www.spacedoc.net/

He also publishes a monthly newsletter and hosts a forum.

TC or cholesterol is not the problem, it's inflammation.

This is an excerpt from one of the emails I posted to this

group:

Statin alternative(s) to reduce/prevent inflammation:

(IE: anti-oxidant, reduce platelet stickiness, controls homocysteine)

1) buffered aspirin - 81 mg

2) CoQ10 - 100 to 150 mg

3) folic acid - 400-800 mcg

B6 - 80-100mg

B12 - 200-250mcg

4) Omega 3 (fish oil or cod liver oil) [ There is no upper limit.]

These four items/categories have the same anti-inflammatory

affect as 20 mg's of Lipitor, without side effects.

For those suffering from TGA (transient global amnesia) and/or

persistent memory loss, you may need to take much higher doses

of CoQ10 - maybe as high as 1,200 to 1,500 mg. So far, there are

over 500 documented TGA cases caused by statins.

I also created a website with tons of information:

http://www.freewebs.com/stopped_our_statins/

Hope you find this information useful.

Fran

[Guest guest]

HEY! WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE AND HOW DID I GET HERE!!!!! Is CoQ10 available at supplement stores? I have heard numerous people suggest it.

Hi Bill:)

We are just ordinary people who have statins and their side effects in common:)

CoQ10 is available from health stores or online where they sell vitamins. I take 50mg at the moment and will soon be taking 100mg. I feel well on them.

You will find out lots of information on this group about tackling cholesterol and inflammation naturally. Also, it's nice to talk to people who we have something in common with and understand, because doctors don't seem to!

[Guest guest]

Bill

Yes to both. That's why I got off that stuff. I took 10 mg for 4 yrs.

Symptoms started from the beginning, but I attributed them to getting

older (I am 60) and heart problems...hardening of the arteries. I quit

Lipitor 6 mo. ago. Most but not all the head out of body has gone

away but not all. It seems to dissipate very slowly. The muscle, joint

soreness, and stomach problems are gone too.

Good luck,

Joe

Joe

Bill wrote:

>Hi All,

> I had been on Lipitor for about 2 years and gradually started

>noticing a " head detached from body " feeling. I also take Atenolol

>for high BP. So I stopped all my meds as I thought at least one

>would be the culprit. After about 4 months off the meds, there was

>no change in the way I felt, so I went back on the Lipitor, thinking

>it was the BP meds. I started out 1 week breaking the 10 mg Lipitor

>in half and the next week taking the full 10mg (my total Cholesterol

># is @ 245). The day after taking the 10mg I noticed pain in my

>chest and back (like a knife stuck under my shoulderblade) and in my

>biceps/triceps and a tingling in my left hand and foot fingertips

>and toes. The doc says it's not the Lipitor and I had an EKG, X-

>rays, stress test. CAT scan and bloodwork. The Stress test came back

>and the doc said that my endurance was excellent (I'm a runner) and

>I had no blockages. Everything else was OK as well.

> I can with utmost certanty say that the pain came the day after and

>was a direct result of upping my Lipitor dosage to 10mg. That's what

>my BODY is telling me. I also noticed that the muscles that are

>still sore are the ones that I had been working in the gym the week

>prior. My chest and back and arms.

> Has anyone else noticed a relationship between muscle pain from

>Lipitor and the mucsles affected from working out? Also has anyone

>else noticed a " head detached from body " sensation from Lipitor? I

>feel like I have not slept at all.

> Thanks to all and have a great weekend!

> Bill

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Fran

I took a look at your site. Great job! I have emailed several of my

friends the address.

Thanks,

Joe

Fran wrote:

>Bill wrote: Lipitor for about 2 years...

>* gradually noticed a " head detached from body " feeling

>* also take Atenolol for high BP

>* stopped all meds for 4 months - no change in the way I felt

>* so I went back on the Lipitor, thinking it was the BP meds

>* started out 1 week breaking the 10 mg Lipitor in half

>* next week taking the full 10mg of Lipitor (TC 245)

>* EKG, X-rays, stress test, CAT scan, bloodwork

>- all excellent - no blockages

>* Doc says it's (pain) not the Lipitor

>* pain is in my chest and back (like a knife stuck under my

>shoulderblade) and in my biceps/triceps and a tingling in my

>left hand and foot fingertips and toes.

>* I feel like I have not slept at all

>

>Hi Bill,

>

>I captured your " main points " above as they tell a very specific

>chain of events. The " head detached from body " feeling you

>describe is also described by others as a " spacey, can't really

>put your finger on it " type of feeling.

>

>Statins affect the brain in many different ways, but the culprit

>is CoQ10 deficiency. Statins and CoQ10 use the same pathway

>and as a result, CoQ10 is depleted. CoQ10 deficiency, as it

>pertains to the brain, can cause: forgetfulness, disorientation,

>confusion, memory loss, TGA (transient global amnesia), just

>to name a few.

>

>Now the next point of interest is that you stopped and then

>restarted statins, started at a low dose, then increased the

>dose. Everytime a person is rechallenged with a statin

>and/or the dose is increased, there is an even greater chance

>of adverse side effects.

>

>Your doctor ran a bunch of tests, but did he do a CK or CKP

>to see if Lipitor is affecting your muscles? The CK or CPK

>test is not foolproof. It can come back negative, but there is

>still muscle damage. In that situation your doctor would

>need to do a muscle biopsy.

>

>Almost every doctor in the world will swear on a stack of

>Bibles that statins are not causing your side effects,

>especially when you've been taking the drug for awhile.

>CoQ10 deficiency can take time to manifest itself. My

>husband was supplementing with 100mg of CoQ10 while

>taking 10mg, then 20mg of Lipitor over the course of 5

>years. CoQ10 100mg was not enough to compensate for

>his CoQ10 deficiency. He was mis-diagnosed with

>Alzheimer's and suffered several bouts of TGA.

>

>The tingling you describe is a symptom of peripheral

>neuropathy. The sharp pains in your biceps/triceps

>indicate that statins are affecting your muscles. Statins

>are notorious for making one " exercise intolerant " . In

>fact it's one of the most common complaints.

>

>And last but not least, statins cause sleep disorders, hence

>your feeling of " I have not slept at all " . Fatigue is also a

>common complaint.

>

>I highly recommend that you visit Dr Duane Graveline's

>website. The only thing he sells is his book, " Statin Drugs -

>Side Effects and the Misguided War on Cholesterol.

>He has written numerous " topic specific " articles:

>http://www.spacedoc.net/

>He also publishes a monthly newsletter and hosts a forum.

>

>TC or cholesterol is not the problem, it's inflammation.

>This is an excerpt from one of the emails I posted to this

>group:

>

>Statin alternative(s) to reduce/prevent inflammation:

>(IE: anti-oxidant, reduce platelet stickiness, controls homocysteine)

>1) buffered aspirin - 81 mg

>2) CoQ10 - 100 to 150 mg

>3) folic acid - 400-800 mcg

> B6 - 80-100mg

> B12 - 200-250mcg

>4) Omega 3 (fish oil or cod liver oil) [ There is no upper limit.]

>

>These four items/categories have the same anti-inflammatory

>affect as 20 mg's of Lipitor, without side effects.

>

>For those suffering from TGA (transient global amnesia) and/or

>persistent memory loss, you may need to take much higher doses

>of CoQ10 - maybe as high as 1,200 to 1,500 mg. So far, there are

>over 500 documented TGA cases caused by statins.

>

>I also created a website with tons of information:

>http://www.freewebs.com/stopped_our_statins/

>

>Hope you find this information useful.

>Fran

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Statins affect the brain in many different ways,

My sister was saying that she heard that the brain is 50% cholesterol, so if

you suck too much out of the body... could that explain the reports of some

kind of alzheimers being caued by statins?

A brain is a terrible thing to lose.

Yours In Liberty, - Colorado, U.S.A.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Fran, and to all. I have also been experiencing memory loss

and a certain " clumsieness " .........................HEY! WHO ARE YOU

PEOPLE AND HOW DID I GET HERE!!!!!

Is CoQ10 available at supplement stores? I have heard numerous

people suggest it.

Bill

>

> Hi Bill,

>

> I captured your " main points " above as they tell a very specific

> chain of events. The " head detached from body " feeling you

> describe is also described by others as a " spacey, can't really

> put your finger on it " type of feeling.

>

> Statins affect the brain in many different ways, but the culprit

> is CoQ10 deficiency. Statins and CoQ10 use the same pathway

> and as a result, CoQ10 is depleted. CoQ10 deficiency, as it

> pertains to the brain, can cause: forgetfulness, disorientation,

> confusion, memory loss, TGA (transient global amnesia), just

> to name a few.

>

> Now the next point of interest is that you stopped and then

> restarted statins, started at a low dose, then increased the

> dose. Everytime a person is rechallenged with a statin

> and/or the dose is increased, there is an even greater chance

> of adverse side effects.

>

> Your doctor ran a bunch of tests, but did he do a CK or CKP

> to see if Lipitor is affecting your muscles? The CK or CPK

> test is not foolproof. It can come back negative, but there is

> still muscle damage. In that situation your doctor would

> need to do a muscle biopsy.

>

> Almost every doctor in the world will swear on a stack of

> Bibles that statins are not causing your side effects,

> especially when you've been taking the drug for awhile.

> CoQ10 deficiency can take time to manifest itself. My

> husband was supplementing with 100mg of CoQ10 while

> taking 10mg, then 20mg of Lipitor over the course of 5

> years. CoQ10 100mg was not enough to compensate for

> his CoQ10 deficiency. He was mis-diagnosed with

> Alzheimer's and suffered several bouts of TGA.

>

> The tingling you describe is a symptom of peripheral

> neuropathy. The sharp pains in your biceps/triceps

> indicate that statins are affecting your muscles. Statins

> are notorious for making one " exercise intolerant " . In

> fact it's one of the most common complaints.

>

> And last but not least, statins cause sleep disorders, hence

> your feeling of " I have not slept at all " . Fatigue is also a

> common complaint.

>

> I highly recommend that you visit Dr Duane Graveline's

> website. The only thing he sells is his book, " Statin Drugs -

> Side Effects and the Misguided War on Cholesterol.

> He has written numerous " topic specific " articles:

> http://www.spacedoc.net/

> He also publishes a monthly newsletter and hosts a forum.

>

> TC or cholesterol is not the problem, it's inflammation.

> This is an excerpt from one of the emails I posted to this

> group:

>

> Statin alternative(s) to reduce/prevent inflammation:

> (IE: anti-oxidant, reduce platelet stickiness, controls

homocysteine)

> 1) buffered aspirin - 81 mg

> 2) CoQ10 - 100 to 150 mg

> 3) folic acid - 400-800 mcg

> B6 - 80-100mg

> B12 - 200-250mcg

> 4) Omega 3 (fish oil or cod liver oil) [ There is no upper limit.]

>

> These four items/categories have the same anti-inflammatory

> affect as 20 mg's of Lipitor, without side effects.

>

> For those suffering from TGA (transient global amnesia) and/or

> persistent memory loss, you may need to take much higher doses

> of CoQ10 - maybe as high as 1,200 to 1,500 mg. So far, there are

> over 500 documented TGA cases caused by statins.

>

> I also created a website with tons of information:

> http://www.freewebs.com/stopped_our_statins/

>

> Hope you find this information useful.

> Fran

>

[Guest guest]

The detached feeling never came about...perhaps because of the short

exposure AND because I follow the guidelines we found on

[supplementForaHealthyHeart] of 1 mg of Co Q10 per lb of body mass.

In my case, that means 200 mg/day.

Fran's guidelines of 100 to 150 mg/day would be OK for women, but a bit

shy for most men.

Bob

********************

Fran wrote:

> Bill wrote: Lipitor for about 2 years...

> * gradually noticed a " head detached from body " feeling

> * also take Atenolol for high BP

> * stopped all meds for 4 months - no change in the way I felt

> * so I went back on the Lipitor, thinking it was the BP meds

> * started out 1 week breaking the 10 mg Lipitor in half

> * next week taking the full 10mg of Lipitor (TC 245)

> * EKG, X-rays, stress test, CAT scan, bloodwork

> - all excellent - no blockages

> * Doc says it's (pain) not the Lipitor

> * pain is in my chest and back (like a knife stuck under my

> shoulderblade) and in my biceps/triceps and a tingling in my

> left hand and foot fingertips and toes.

> * I feel like I have not slept at all

>

> Hi Bill,

>

> I captured your " main points " above as they tell a very specific

> chain of events. The " head detached from body " feeling you

> describe is also described by others as a " spacey, can't really

> put your finger on it " type of feeling.

>

> Statins affect the brain in many different ways, but the culprit

> is CoQ10 deficiency. Statins and CoQ10 use the same pathway

> and as a result, CoQ10 is depleted. CoQ10 deficiency, as it

> pertains to the brain, can cause: forgetfulness, disorientation,

> confusion, memory loss, TGA (transient global amnesia), just

> to name a few.

>

> Now the next point of interest is that you stopped and then

> restarted statins, started at a low dose, then increased the

> dose. Everytime a person is rechallenged with a statin

> and/or the dose is increased, there is an even greater chance

> of adverse side effects.

>

> Your doctor ran a bunch of tests, but did he do a CK or CKP

> to see if Lipitor is affecting your muscles? The CK or CPK

> test is not foolproof. It can come back negative, but there is

> still muscle damage. In that situation your doctor would

> need to do a muscle biopsy.

>

> Almost every doctor in the world will swear on a stack of

> Bibles that statins are not causing your side effects,

> especially when you've been taking the drug for awhile.

> CoQ10 deficiency can take time to manifest itself. My

> husband was supplementing with 100mg of CoQ10 while

> taking 10mg, then 20mg of Lipitor over the course of 5

> years. CoQ10 100mg was not enough to compensate for

> his CoQ10 deficiency. He was mis-diagnosed with

> Alzheimer's and suffered several bouts of TGA.

>

> The tingling you describe is a symptom of peripheral

> neuropathy. The sharp pains in your biceps/triceps

> indicate that statins are affecting your muscles. Statins

> are notorious for making one " exercise intolerant " . In

> fact it's one of the most common complaints.

>

> And last but not least, statins cause sleep disorders, hence

> your feeling of " I have not slept at all " . Fatigue is also a

> common complaint.

>

> I highly recommend that you visit Dr Duane Graveline's

> website. The only thing he sells is his book, " Statin Drugs -

> Side Effects and the Misguided War on Cholesterol.

> He has written numerous " topic specific " articles:

> http://www.spacedoc.net/

> He also publishes a monthly newsletter and hosts a forum.

>

> TC or cholesterol is not the problem, it's inflammation.

> This is an excerpt from one of the emails I posted to this

> group:

>

> Statin alternative(s) to reduce/prevent inflammation:

> (IE: anti-oxidant, reduce platelet stickiness, controls homocysteine)

> 1) buffered aspirin - 81 mg

> 2) CoQ10 - 100 to 150 mg

> 3) folic acid - 400-800 mcg

> B6 - 80-100mg

> B12 - 200-250mcg

> 4) Omega 3 (fish oil or cod liver oil) [ There is no upper limit.]

>

> These four items/categories have the same anti-inflammatory

> affect as 20 mg's of Lipitor, without side effects.

>

> For those suffering from TGA (transient global amnesia) and/or

> persistent memory loss, you may need to take much higher doses

> of CoQ10 - maybe as high as 1,200 to 1,500 mg. So far, there are

> over 500 documented TGA cases caused by statins.

>

> I also created a website with tons of information:

> http://www.freewebs.com/stopped_our_statins/

>

> Hope you find this information useful.

> Fran

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 19/03/2006 00:29:03 GMT Standard Time,

> melissa@... writes:

>

> My sister was saying that she heard that the brain is 50% cholesterol, so

> if

> you suck too much out of the body... could that explain the reports of some

> kind of alzheimers being caued by statins?

>

>

>

> I have read different reports where some say that it may help alzheimers and

> some say it can make us more suseptable. What do we believe? Every part

> of our body need cholesterol so that's why I think it's wrong to reduce it

> too much. I wonder who comes up with the numbers of how much cholesterol

> is

> OK and how much is'nt? Maybe it's more relevent to look into our family

> history to see if we are at risk or not. So much research and so little

> time!

Some people have mentioned that taking statins hasn't changed the mortality

rate from heart attacks. So maybe the new train of thought is right, that

blockage is caused more by arterial inflamation than by cholesterol.

It may also be that if someone doesn't address the good old diet and exercise

fundamentals, they can die anyway, even taking statins.

So the best way is probably diet, exercise and taking something to lower the

inflamation, like COQ10 and B6, B12. Since I started taking all three, I'm

definitely feeling better, just in a week's time. Of course I also knocked off

the statins too! :-)

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[Guest guest]

Bill wrote: Is CoQ10 available at supplement stores?

Hi Bill,

Depending where you live, CoQ10 can be readily

available. We purchase ours at Walmart. I just noticed

today Walmart now stocks a 300mg capsule by Rexall.

The best form of CoQ10 is in a gelcap either containing

some vitamin E or taken with vitamin E.

CoQ10 is very pricey at GNC & some health food stores.

Fran

[Guest guest]

> The detached feeling never came about...perhaps because of the short

> exposure AND because I follow the guidelines we found on

> [supplementForaHealthyHeart] of 1 mg of Co Q10 per lb of body mass.

> In my case, that means 200 mg/day.

>

> Fran's guidelines of 100 to 150 mg/day would be OK for women, but a bit

> shy for most men.

Wait, have I got this wrong? 1 MG per 10 lbs of body mass. So a 100 lb person

would need 10 mg right? A 200 lb person = 20 mg? A 300 lb person = 30 mg?

I'm taking 100 mg of COQ10 so I guess I'm ok up to 1000 lbs? :-)

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[Guest guest]

> Bill wrote: Is CoQ10 available at supplement stores?

>

> Hi Bill,

>

> Depending where you live, CoQ10 can be readily

> available. We purchase ours at Walmart. I just noticed

> today Walmart now stocks a 300mg capsule by Rexall.

>

> The best form of CoQ10 is in a gelcap either containing

> some vitamin E or taken with vitamin E.

>

> CoQ10 is very pricey at GNC & some health food stores.

>

> Fran

This was the best deal I could find and I'm taking them now:

http://cgi.ebay.com/COQ10-100MG-ONE-BOTTLE-300-SOFT-GELS_W0QQitemZ5671151716

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[Guest guest]

>

> > The detached feeling never came about...perhaps because of the short

> > exposure AND because I follow the guidelines we found on

> > [supplementForaHealthyHeart] of 1 mg of Co Q10 per lb of body mass.

> > In my case, that means 200 mg/day.

> >

> > Fran's guidelines of 100 to 150 mg/day would be OK for women, but a bit

> > shy for most men.

>

> Wait, have I got this wrong? 1 MG per 10 lbs of body mass. So a 100 lb

> person would need 10 mg right? A 200 lb person = 20 mg? A 300 lb person =

> 30 mg?

>

> I'm taking 100 mg of COQ10 so I guess I'm ok up to 1000 lbs? :-)

Generalized recommendations are that if you are taking a statin, you need to

take 200-300 mg of CoQ10 per day. Personally, I take 900 mg/day.

--

Steve - dudescholar2@...

" Tell the truth and then run. "

--Proverb

[Guest guest]

>

> > Bill wrote: Is CoQ10 available at supplement stores?

> >

> > Hi Bill,

> >

> > Depending where you live, CoQ10 can be readily

> > available. We purchase ours at Walmart. I just noticed

> > today Walmart now stocks a 300mg capsule by Rexall.

> >

> > The best form of CoQ10 is in a gelcap either containing

> > some vitamin E or taken with vitamin E.

> >

> > CoQ10 is very pricey at GNC & some health food stores.

> >

> > Fran

>

> This was the best deal I could find and I'm taking them now:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/COQ10-100MG-ONE-BOTTLE-300-SOFT-GELS_W0QQitemZ567115171

>6

One should take CoQ10 with oil of some sort, fish or fax seed oil would be

good. I can buy CoQ10 with the oil in it already but that costs more. I get

my CoQ10 from either Sam's club or Costco and have found them to be well

priced compared to other sources.

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> One should take CoQ10 with oil of some sort, fish or fax seed oil would be

> good.

How come? Who said that?

I just started the COQ10 and have been taking it at night with the policosanol,

but I take 2 grams of fish oil and 2 grams of flax seed oil at lunch time. I

could move the COQ10 to then, if it was important for some reason.

> I can buy CoQ10 with the oil in it already but that costs more. I get

> my CoQ10 from either Sam's club or Costco and have found them to be well

> priced compared to other sources.

What size and how much?

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, anxiety sucks! Hope you are feeling better soon:-)

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Thanks, Jill:) It has ruined my life for a long time and made me feel like I don't want to leave my house. But I will win over it!

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>

> >

> > > The detached feeling never came about...perhaps because of the short

> > > exposure AND because I follow the guidelines we found on

> > > [supplementForaHealthyHeart] of 1 mg of Co Q10 per lb of body mass.

> > > In my case, that means 200 mg/day.

> > >

> > > Fran's guidelines of 100 to 150 mg/day would be OK for women, but a bit

> > > shy for most men.

> >

> > Wait, have I got this wrong? 1 MG per 10 lbs of body mass. So a 100 lb

> > person would need 10 mg right? A 200 lb person = 20 mg? A 300 lb person =

> > 30 mg?

> >

> > I'm taking 100 mg of COQ10 so I guess I'm ok up to 1000 lbs? :-)

>

> Generalized recommendations are that if you are taking a statin, you need to

> take 200-300 mg of CoQ10 per day. Personally, I take 900 mg/day.

>

> --

Well I'm off the statins now, thank goodness, so 100mg should be fine.

It is interesting that you said that though, because when I was taking the

zocor and added that 100mg of COQ10, it only partially helped the sick and

dizzy feelings.

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My husband got Parkinson's and Alzheimer's symptoms from taking statins so to me I sure do not see how those drugs could help. I personally think the companies just try to market it to as many folks as possible.

Jill

Hubby is alot better now..but at 54 he acted like he was 87. He never did regain his lost muscle in his arms.

Re: Re: Noob here, chest pain, knife in shoulder blade

My sister was saying that she heard that the brain is 50% cholesterol, so if you suck too much out of the body... could that explain the reports of some kind of alzheimers being caued by statins?

I have read different reports where some say that it may help alzheimers and some say it can make us more suseptable. What do we believe? Every part of our body need cholesterol so that's why I think it's wrong to reduce it too much. I wonder who comes up with the numbers of how much cholesterol is OK and how much is'nt? Maybe it's more relevent to look into our family history to see if we are at risk or not. So much research and so little time!

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Hey Bill, hi:-)

I was the 2nd member to this group way back when Ed started it. I have been gone for quite awhile tho, busy with other things, so I am kinda hoppin in here....

Head detached from the body? Well.........I would say that fit my hubby.

Hubby was 54....good health, strong, hard worker, very busy/active person.

His folks both died from heart attacks at age 64 and 76......so.......we have tended to take things a bit more seriously around here. When the doc put him on lipitor, he didn't object. During the next 2 years, he was on several different kinds of stations....they all affected him the same way.

symptoms;

1)shuffling of his feet like an old man

2)hard time forming words .

3) severe muscle pain, mostly in arms, and LOSS of muscle mass, and strength.

4) co-ordination got bad

The thing that bothered me is when talking to him, he would talk so darn slow and stare at the sky as if tying to think of the word to use. It got so everyone was finishing his sentences for him.

One day he fell out of our horse trailer.........tripped and fell spread eagled on the ground. I said THAT IS IT!

The thing was, he knew his muscles hurt, but the rest he had no awareness off.

Also, he was extremely fatigued.

Well to make a long story shorter....he went off the stuff, tried the red rice......same symptoms, tried niacin....didn't like that either.

We do take tons of supplements.

The best book I ever read was by Dr Adkins...called Vital Nutrient solution I think it is......anyway, I studied the book and we incorporate alot of the things he suggested for high cholesterol into our life.

But.....the zinger is..........my hubby had a heart attack anyway at age 57. Emergency bypass.......so in looking back.....I do not see how the pills helped anyway.

I do know one thing....and it has been said on this list as well as in things I've read.....do not play around with statin pills....reducing or quitting them on your own......abruptly. I have read that can be very dangerous.

Maybe that had a part in my hubby's heart attack as Lord knows we were adjusting amounts and changing pills and stopping and starting......back then not much was said about the dangers of doing that.

You are wise to pay attention to what your body is telling you.

Good luck to you....

Jill

ps.....hubbies' last stress test....he did 10% grade, and 4MPH.........for a long time.............doc was impressed........

Me? I worry......alot. He is way better....recuperated superbly......but his cholesterol numbers are still high....I think his ratio is 7.4 or something like that.

His heart attack and surgery was April '04. He never did regain strength in arms, and has pain from the wires in his chest, Other than that he seems pretty darn good:-)

Noob here, chest pain, knife in shoulder blade

Hi All,I had been on Lipitor for about 2 years and gradually started noticing a "head detached from body" feeling. I also take Atenolol for high BP. So I stopped all my meds as I thought at least one would be the culprit. After about 4 months off the meds, there was no change in the way I felt, so I went back on the Lipitor, thinking it was the BP meds. I started out 1 week breaking the 10 mg Lipitor in half and the next week taking the full 10mg (my total Cholesterol # is @ 245). The day after taking the 10mg I noticed pain in my chest and back (like a knife stuck under my shoulderblade) and in my biceps/triceps and a tingling in my left hand and foot fingertips and toes. The doc says it's not the Lipitor and I had an EKG, X-rays, stress test. CAT scan and bloodwork. The Stress test came back and the doc said that my endurance was excellent (I'm a runner) and I had no blockages. Everything else was OK as well. I can with utmost certanty say that the pain came the day after and was a direct result of upping my Lipitor dosage to 10mg. That's what my BODY is telling me. I also noticed that the muscles that are still sore are the ones that I had been working in the gym the week prior. My chest and back and arms. Has anyone else noticed a relationship between muscle pain from Lipitor and the mucsles affected from working out? Also has anyone else noticed a "head detached from body" sensation from Lipitor? I feel like I have not slept at all.Thanks to all and have a great weekend!Bill

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, anxiety sucks! Hope you are feeling better soon:-)

Jill

Re: Re: Noob here, chest pain, knife in shoulder blade

So the best way is probably diet, exercise and taking something to lower the inflamation, like COQ10 and B6, B12. Since I started taking all three, I'm definitely feeling better, just in a week's time. Of course I also knocked off the statins too! :-)

I think you have it right, here. And if we lose some weight (if we need to, as I do) then our cholesterol levels will come down automatically too. Serapaptise is good for inflammation too, and I am taking 2 each morning.

Excuse any spelling mistakes, I've been having anxiety all day today:)

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>

> > One should take CoQ10 with oil of some sort, fish or fax seed oil would

> > be good.

>

> How come? Who said that?

After reading the article below, I think that the best bet is to take CoQ10

with food, a meal.

Bioavailability of CoQ10

http://www.naturalproductsinsider.com/articles/541ingredientfocus.html

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