RE: high protein diets

[Guest guest]

Walter, the problem with plant protein is that it is always accompanied by

loads of carbs, tofu being excepted.

Dan

[Guest guest]

You say tofu doesnt have any carbohydrates? Hey, let's have a tofu turkey!

Happy Thanksgiving,

Dean

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Re: high protein diets

> Walter, the problem with plant protein is that it is always accompanied by

> loads of carbs, tofu being excepted.

>

> Dan

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No, I didn't say tofu has no carbohydrates, it has fewer than most other

non-meat protein sources, it is pretty low, in fact.

Tofu has other health problems, so you do not want to eat huge quantities

of it.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan,

Of course, it depends on how much is meant by " loads " of carbohydrates;

however, I don't agree that plantlife is loaded with carbohydrates. Below is

a listing of the carbohydrates only of the vegetables in a chart that I

have.

The chart, unfortunately, does not list sugar content; so, I am confused

in its listing of corn as having only 14g of carbs per cup, when we all know

corn is high enough in sugar content that we should avoid it as we do

potatoes. Of course, someone else might say that 14g per cup is " high " in

carbs and, if so, then much of the listing below could be described as being

loaded with carbs. But, as I said, I don't consider 7 grams of carbs as

being high.

I didn't list the fiber content of the vegetables in my listing but, as

you know, fiber can be subtracted from carbohydrates to being the carb count

even lower.

I also have to admit that I don't limit myself to 30g of carbs daily as

you do. So far, and this might well change, I think about 45g of carbs is

ok.

I also have to confess that I rarely eat red meat because I seem to be

alergic to it. So, this has an impact on my food selection. I only eat

chicken, fish, and plant protein because I am greatly concerned about kidney

and liver damage caused by too much protein. My brother had one

non-functional kidney and the other working at only about 25% when he died,

and a cousin of mine died of liver cancer.

As you might guess from the questions I'm raising through this list, I

have as yet not determined my actual diet regimen. I am leaning toward these

restrictions: 37 grams protein, 30 grams fiber, as little sugar intake as

possible, and no salt.

But, enough about me, here's the listing.

Thanks,

Walt

Alfalfa sprouts, c1, 1g

Artichokes, one whole, 13g

Asparagus, c.5, 4g

Black beans, c1, 41g

Lima beans, c.5, 16g

Snap or green beans, c1, 10g

Mung beans, c1, 6g

Beets, c.5, 6g

Brocley, c1, 5g

Brussel sprouts, one, 1g

Green cabbage, c1, 7g

Bok choi, c1, 1g

Red cabbage, c1, 4g

Savoy cabbage, c1, 4g

Carrot, one, 7g

Caulflower, c1, 2g

Celery, stalk, 1g

Swiss chard, c1, 1g

Collards, c1, 8g

Corn, c1, 14g

Dandelion greens, c1, 5g

Eggplant, c1, 11g

Great northern beans, c1, 37g

Escarole (curly endive), c1, 2g

Jerusalem artichokes, c1, 26g

Kale, c1, 7g

Kidney beans, c1, 38g

Kohlrabi, c1, 9g

Leeks, c1, 15g

Lentels, c1, 40g

Lettuce, one head, 4g

Mushrooms, c.5, 2g

Mustard greens, c1, 3g

Navy beans, c1, 48g

Okra, 8 pods, 6g

Onion, c1, 10g

Parsley, c.5, 2g

Parsnips, c1, 30g

Black eyed peas, c1, 36g

Green peas, c1, 40g

Sweet pepper, one, 5g

Green chiles, one, 4g

White potato, one, 51g

Pumpkin, c1, 12g

Red radishes, 10, 2g

Rutabaga, c.5, 7g

Kelp, one ounce, 3g

Soy beans, c1, 17g

Tofu, c.5, 2g

Spinach, c1, 2g

Summer squash, c1, 8g

Winter squash, c1, 21g

Sweet potato, one, 28g

Tomatoes, one, 8g

Turnips, c.5, 4g

Wat3er chestnuts, c.5, 1g

Water cress, c.5, 0g

Re: high protein diets

Walter, the problem with plant protein is that it is always accompanied by

loads of carbs, tofu being excepted.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Walter, it is all relative, as you surmise. I think your source may be in

question, the total carbohydrates for a cup of raw sweet corn is 29.3,

according to the usda database.

But, if a person is on a low carb way of eating, and, like me, restricts

carbs to less than 30 grams a day, even the figure you cited, 14 grams,

would be pretty high for one serving when there is a day's worth of food to

be eaten.

I did rather ignore carbs yesterday, but today, it is back on the wagon.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan,

That is very frustrating to hear that the USDA listing for corn's

carbohydrate rating is different from that I listed. It's frustrating

because the listing I have I manually copied out of a nutrition book. The

list contains over 1,300 food items, with 26 columns of food values for

each.

I have already proofread my copying against the book and am now verifying

that the line numbers for each item is correct.

This is the second food item I have been told is in error. The other is

Cheerios. What's the URL of this USDA listing and how complete is it. I'm

quite willing to read one against the other; but, how would anyone know

which is right? Until I resolve that issue, I'll continue preparing the

chart for program analysis.

Thanks,

Walt

RE: high protein diets

Walter, it is all relative, as you surmise. I think your source may be in

question, the total carbohydrates for a cup of raw sweet corn is 29.3,

according to the usda database.

But, if a person is on a low carb way of eating, and, like me, restricts

carbs to less than 30 grams a day, even the figure you cited, 14 grams,

would be pretty high for one serving when there is a day's worth of food to

be eaten.

I did rather ignore carbs yesterday, but today, it is back on the wagon.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the list, WAlt. It was interesting. By the way, suagar may not

be listed as sugar is pure carbohydrate and not all vegetables contain sugar

as we think of sugar-white granulated stuff-but is another type of

carbohydrate. There are many type of carbohydrate, but they all break down

into glucose.

Re: high protein diets

Walter, the problem with plant protein is that it is always accompanied by

loads of carbs, tofu being excepted.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Out of curiosity, Dan, what are the other problems with tofu? I love tofu,

but don't eat much of it as I don't really know how to cook it.

Re: high protein diets

No, I didn't say tofu has no carbohydrates, it has fewer than most other

non-meat protein sources, it is pretty low, in fact.

Tofu has other health problems, so you do not want to eat huge quantities

of it.

Dan

[Guest guest]

---Hi Walt:

I am looking at the " The Doctor's Calorie, Fat, and Carbohydrate

Counter " book that I use. The listing for 1/2 cup of raw kernel corn

is listed in this book as having:

65 calories, 1gm of fat, and 14 gms of carbs.

For 1/4 cup of cooked corn it lists as: 35 calories, <1 gm of fat,

and 7 gms of carbs.

Who is to say which book or listing is correct. I use this

particular book because it was recommended to me by several diabetics

on insulin pumps who have to use carb counting to calculate their

insulin dosges , and also by my diabetic educator.

Be Well,

Diane

In blind-diabetics@y..., Weber Walter M <Walter.M.Weber@i...> wrote:

> Hi Dan,

>

> That is very frustrating to hear that the USDA listing for corn's

> carbohydrate rating is different from that I listed. It's

frustrating

> because the listing I have I manually copied out of a nutrition

book. The

> list contains over 1,300 food items, with 26 columns of food values

for

> each.

>

> I have already proofread my copying against the book and am now

verifying

> that the line numbers for each item is correct.

>

> This is the second food item I have been told is in error. The

other is

> Cheerios. What's the URL of this USDA listing and how complete is

it. I'm

> quite willing to read one against the other; but, how would anyone

know

> which is right? Until I resolve that issue, I'll continue preparing

the

> chart for program analysis.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Walt

>

>

>

> RE: high protein diets

>

>

> Walter, it is all relative, as you surmise. I think your source

may be in

> question, the total carbohydrates for a cup of raw sweet corn is

29.3,

> according to the usda database.

>

> But, if a person is on a low carb way of eating, and, like me,

restricts

> carbs to less than 30 grams a day, even the figure you cited, 14

grams,

> would be pretty high for one serving when there is a day's worth of

food to

> be eaten.

>

> I did rather ignore carbs yesterday, but today, it is back on the

wagon.

>

> Dan

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, there is some evidence that tofu, in larger quantities, will play

havoc with the hormone system as it contains what are called

phytoestrogens. It also keeps minerals from being properly absorbed. But,

the occasional use of tofu is not a problem.

It may be fixed in many ways from being boiled in soup to being fried in a

stir-fry or mixed with vegetables and steamed, it is a versatile food, but

has little flavor, so it always needs to be spiced a lot.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Walter, I have a program that uses the USDA database, so do not know the

url, but I'll look it up for you.

Dan

[Guest guest]

If your book, Diane, says a half cup of corn has 14 grams of carb and my

database says that a cup has 29.3 grams, it sounds like the 14 gram figure

Walter had was for a half cup, that is pretty consistant.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Walter, my wife says that, actually, the rate of Alzheimer's in Japan is

quite high, they revere their elders, but notice they do not have them

flying their airliners.

Another thought is that perhaps something else in their diet, fish maybe,

counteracts the negative effects of the soy products. Maybe it is the

sake, love that sake. In fact, I think I'll go heat some now.

Dan

[Guest guest]

What I think is that you can find evidence for almost anything you

want. The fact is that Asian people are not anymore prone to senile

dementia than anyone else, in fact might be less so. There is, after all,

the warning about not believing everything you read. LaWanda

[Guest guest]

Thank you, , I was beginning to think I couldn't write a coherent

note, since no one really addressed the point I was trying to make. And,

that might not sound so bad, until you realize I was a journalist for over

four years, many years ago, and a tax information specialist for over 13

years, also many years ago.

Walt

RE: high protein diets

What I think is that you can find evidence for almost anything you

want. The fact is that Asian people are not anymore prone to senile

dementia than anyone else, in fact might be less so. There is, after all,

the warning about not believing everything you read. LaWanda

[Guest guest]

Well, I guess I can write a coherent note, I just can't address the write

person: I said " " and I should have said " thank you, Lawanda " . Oh,

well, I never said I worked as a letter carrier. lol

I'm sorry Lawanda.

Walt

RE: high protein diets

What I think is that you can find evidence for almost anything you

want. The fact is that Asian people are not anymore prone to senile

dementia than anyone else, in fact might be less so. There is, after all,

the warning about not believing everything you read. LaWanda

[Guest guest]

You know, Dan, when discussing this problem with my wife and daughter

last evening, my daughter, who is irreverent anyway, suggested virtually the

same thing. She said, the Japanese may not revere their elder so much as say

that they do but being careful to keep their elders safely away somewhere.

<grin>

Walt

RE: high protein diets

Walter, my wife says that, actually, the rate of Alzheimer's in Japan is

quite high, they revere their elders, but notice they do not have them

flying their airliners.

Another thought is that perhaps something else in their diet, fish maybe,

counteracts the negative effects of the soy products. Maybe it is the

sake, love that sake. In fact, I think I'll go heat some now.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I know chemicals are added to tofu to make it into tofu from soy; but, as

to whether that makes any biochemical difference or not, which is what I

think you're hinting at, I don't know. I suspect not. There was not even a

hint of saving grace, if you'll pardon the expression, in the very, very

long article. It seemed air-tight to me.

Thanks,

Walt

high protein diets

Walt,

Do we,Americans, add chemicals to tofu and do the Japanese ?

Re: high protein diets

>

>

> Walter, it happens in the same way that people thought and fought for the

> low fat diet yea these many years. Something gets started, people make

> money off it, and they are unwilling to admit they are wrong because it

> will mean loss of income.

>

> Dan

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's okay, you don't have to be a letter carrier, LaWanda

[Guest guest]

Tofu is soy curd, and does not, in general, have any chemicals added. I

used to make it back in college, it is a pain in the pitut.

The problem with soy products is not just in tofu, it is in the beans, too,

and eating them may produce the same negative effects.

Interestingly, the fermentation that soy undergoes in producing miso and

soy sauce destroys the phytoestrogens and other hormone like chemicals and

those products are quite safe, as far as I know.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Hi Walt and Lawanda,

You gave me my first smile of the day. Thought of you this morning

Walt. I was listening to the farm report which sure is a bit technical

but they mentioned tons of soy meal and I got to thinking if the cows and

hogs eat soy it is in the food chain for sure. Rita

> Well, I guess I can write a coherent note, I just can't address the write

> person: I said " " and I should have said " thank you, Lawanda " . Oh,

> well, I never said I worked as a letter carrier. lol

>

> I'm sorry Lawanda.

>

> Walt

>

> RE: high protein diets

>

>

> What I think is that you can find evidence for almost anything you

> want. The fact is that Asian people are not anymore prone to senile

> dementia than anyone else, in fact might be less so. There is, after all,

> the warning about not believing everything you read. LaWanda

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rita,

But, on the other hand, I'm reminded of an article in Cooking Light

several years ago, about a woman who spent her vacation on a cattle ranch as

a working cowhand. She was a vegetarian and got a close up look at the

cattle while checking them for pregnancy. She said that the cattle were so

stupid they deserved to be ground into hamburgers! So, following your thread

of logic about tofu being in the food chain anyway, maybe that article

yesterday was right after all. <grin>

Walt

RE: high protein diets

>

>

> What I think is that you can find evidence for almost anything you

> want. The fact is that Asian people are not anymore prone to senile

> dementia than anyone else, in fact might be less so. There is, after all,

> the warning about not believing everything you read. LaWanda

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that clarification on miso and soy sauce, Dan. At least, if we

can't choke down tons of soy/tofu products, we can still stir fry.

Walt

RE: high protein diets

Tofu is soy curd, and does not, in general, have any chemicals added. I

used to make it back in college, it is a pain in the pitut.

The problem with soy products is not just in tofu, it is in the beans, too,

and eating them may produce the same negative effects.

Interestingly, the fermentation that soy undergoes in producing miso and

soy sauce destroys the phytoestrogens and other hormone like chemicals and

those products are quite safe, as far as I know.

Dan

[Guest guest]

---I have subscribed to Cooking Light for 7 years now and I dont

recall that particular article.

But...if I had? I would have written to the magazine and said that

the woman that made that ignorant comment about cattle, " Should

be " Sterilized " so as not to breed anymore ignorance into the gene

pool " .

A Moral subject here and a little/lot of education goes a long way.

Diane

In blind-diabetics@y..., Weber Walter M <Walter.M.Weber@i...> wrote:

> Hi Rita,

>

> But, on the other hand, I'm reminded of an article in Cooking

Light

> several years ago, about a woman who spent her vacation on a cattle

ranch as

> a working cowhand. She was a vegetarian and got a close up look at

the

> cattle while checking them for pregnancy. She said that the cattle

were so

> stupid they deserved to be ground into hamburgers! So, following

your thread

> of logic about tofu being in the food chain anyway, maybe that

article

> yesterday was right after all. <grin>

>

> Walt

>

> RE: high protein diets

> >

> >

> > What I think is that you can find evidence for almost anything

you

> > want. The fact is that Asian people are not anymore prone to

senile

> > dementia than anyone else, in fact might be less so. There is,

after all,

>

> > the warning about not believing everything you read. LaWanda

> >

> >

> >

> >