Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Hi Carolina Back from hospital - nice guy but what a moron. Thinks statins are wonderful - never heard of any adverse reaction - never heard of Coenzyme Q10. He deals with diabetics all the time and stupid me, never asked him if he was aware that diabetics were at high risk of getting myopathy. Stupid stupid. He examined my feet and noted my dropped foot; reckoned that all the pain was indeed my brain reconnecting with my foot and good news rather than bad. So that was a relief. Anyway, the ferry hadn't yet reached the island with today's supplies for the supermarket. But they had some mini trifles left of the same brand as the big ones. They are just called Cadbury's milk chocolate trifles. Enjoy. Pam P.S. what did you mean about supplements - I didn't understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Hi How could a doctor put you on a dose as high as 80mg. That really is moronic. Do they have any brains at all? There was an article in the British Medical Journal a while back about doctors performing "Cook Book Medicine". And that's what they do - don't know the ingredients, what they do, or how they work. Just follow the standard receipe and see what comes out. I don't suppose for one minute they know about statins raising blood sugar etc. Nor do they even know that diabetics are at higher risk of myopathy. My diabetes nurse didn't and she'd just been to a seminar on statins. Yes I somehow think you're right to be cautious about eating grapefruit again. I was, and still am. I agree it's a pity - I adore grapefruit too. But it's a gut feeling I have, to be cautious. Sorry about the talk of chocolate trifles. But having bought two small ones this morning (for information purposes only, you understand), I had to eat them. Boy they were good. (Sorry). Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Hi Pam, How awful that your doctor was such a moron! My doctor was a nice guy too but that didn't keep him from upping my Lipitor dosage to 80 mg. when I was already suffering what he should have known were health problems linked to statin toxicity. By the way, I guess most doctors are also unaware that statins can raise blood sugar, which along with the inability to exercise due to muscle damage can throw a patient into Type II diabetes? You can be sure the drug companies know it, but they're not telling us. And they're downplaying it to the doctors. Among all the other reasons I'm glad I'm not taking their poison anymore is that maybe I can eat grapefruit again, or at least I hope so. I haven't tried it yet because I'm wondering if there might be some residual Lipitor lurking in my system. I know toxic substances can remain in fatty tissue for years, and although I've lost most of the weight I gained while on the statins, I don't want to take any chances. By the way, all this talk about the chocolate trifles sure is trying my will power! Can't be too much harm though in occasionally eating a bit of the dark version at the end of a good meal. Especially since it's a wonderful source of some very powerful antioxidants. (How's that for rationalizing?!) --Longtail77@... wrote: Hi CarolinaBack from hospital - nice guy but what a moron. Thinks statins are wonderful - never heard of any adverse reaction - never heard of Coenzyme Q10. He deals with diabetics all the time and stupid me, never asked him if he was aware that diabetics were at high risk of getting myopathy. Stupid stupid. He examined my feet and noted my dropped foot; reckoned that all the pain was indeed my brain reconnecting with my foot and good news rather than bad. So that was a relief.Anyway, the ferry hadn't yet reached the island with today's supplies for the supermarket. But they had some mini trifles left of the same brand as the big ones. They are just called Cadbury's milk chocolate trifles. Enjoy.PamP.S. what did you mean about supplements - I didn't understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Hi Jane, Well, according to my doctor, he was saving my life. My cholesterol had soared to 370 despite the fact that I was eating like a bird and I don't mean just in quantity. I was eating right and yet that count kept climbing. I have since learned that in susceptible people the statins can actually increase your cholesterol instead of lowering it. Who knew?! I am so traumatized by what I've been through that I haven't been to a doctor since I came off the Lipitor in June, so I don't know what my cholesterol looks like now. I have lost 20 pounds though and my blood sugar is now down in the normal range pretty consistently. I've decided I'll take my chances because for me the cholesterol "cure" is worse than the disease! Let's hope someday we can feel safe eating grapefruit again. In the meantime, well, we do have to do our "research" about supplements, don't we? Even if they are chocolate flavored! --Longtail77@... wrote: Hi How could a doctor put you on a dose as high as 80mg. That really is moronic. Do they have any brains at all? There was an article in the British Medical Journal a while back about doctors performing "Cook Book Medicine". And that's what they do - don't know the ingredients, what they do, or how they work. Just follow the standard receipe and see what comes out. I don't suppose for one minute they know about statins raising blood sugar etc. Nor do they even know that diabetics are at higher risk of myopathy. My diabetes nurse didn't and she'd just been to a seminar on statins. Yes I somehow think you're right to be cautious about eating grapefruit again. I was, and still am. I agree it's a pity - I adore grapefruit too. But it's a gut feeling I have, to be cautious. Sorry about the talk of chocolate trifles. But having bought two small ones this morning (for information purposes only, you understand), I had to eat them. Boy they were good. (Sorry).Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Hi Well our cholesterol levels are dead level then. I didn't know that statins could actually increase your levels in some cases - though I guess anything so alien could in theory throw your balance off skew. What I don't understand is why medics look at your overall level instead of the ratios. OK so my overall is twice what it is in some people, but my HDL is also twice as high too. Anyway I'm due to get a profile done early next week and I'm going to ask for a CRP level, a homocysteine level, an ApoB and a Lipo (a). That should amuse them LOL. Meanwhile, as you say, we can always look forward to a little research! Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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