volleyball (Re: Dance?)

[Guest guest]

> I've never seen a high-level game. The usual pick-up

> volleyball games are grusomely boring, for me. Lots of

> people were playing it on the beach near where

> and I walked on Sunday. Really lousy players.

I've got two main sets of memories attached to volleyball.

One, playing it in school. (On teams, with my role very heavily

specified by the teacher.) Very sore forearms, very little clue how to

(or if to) be coordinated with the rest of the team. Liking practising

the " set " maneuver, lousy at doing it at the right time during gameplay.

Two, playing it in an institution. Getting told to go sit on the

sidelines after getting hit with the ball too many times.

In school when the girls were playing volleyball, the boys were playing

American football. I *really* wanted to play American football (even

though I probably would have been awful at it), but I was never allowed

to. Got very pissed off about that, knowing that if I were really

athletic I'd probably be allowed to play, but that terrible male players

were allowed but terrible female players were not. (My dad's school had

had a girl on the team, but she had to be better than all the boys in

order to be allowed basically.) Was told, " Well, girls have

volleyball. " Yes, girls had volleyball, and I hated volleyball. And

then they had a boy's volleyball team soon after, so there was no

excuse.

--

" [This] is a good example of what happens when you try to control how

another person grows and learns. Really, monsters are made with the good

intentions of wise doctor enstein to make a perfect man. " -Eugene

Marcus

[Guest guest]

> >I can play vb to an extent; I *love* watching high-level volleyball

> >(especially women's) because of the complexity and beauty of the

> >game.

>

> I've never seen a high-level game. The usual pick-up

> volleyball games are grusomely boring, for me.

Me too. Ever since I learned the real strategies and techniques

of the game (about a dozen years ago), I've refused to play what

I call chaos picnic volleyball. It is *not* fun and I get

frustrated with it. I've declined to join my department's

intramural volleyball team because what they play is too chaos-like.

This kind of difference (between

usual pick-up type and real vb) is greater than in any other sport

I've ever seen. In baseball or softball, for instance, you get

together with some folks at a picnic, you're doing what the pros

do, only (of course) not as well. But volleyball it's completely

qualitatively different.

Doug

[Guest guest]

> wrote:

> >I've got two main sets of memories attached to volleyball.

> >One, playing it in school.....

> >Two, playing it in an institution. Getting told to go sit on the

> >sidelines after getting hit with the ball too many times.

> I played it once in prison. Going to play volleyball was

> one of very few opportunities to move from one building

> to another (i.e., to see the sky, grass, weather, etc.).

Yes. I very well recall the need to move from one place to another.

I don't know how prisons work, but where I was kept, they had various

levels. On some levels you weren't allowed to leave one room. Then you

could go, maybe, to the dayroom (do prisons have dayrooms?), on the next

one. Then, you could go to the cafeteria and/or on supervised walks (in

straight single-file lines). If you got to a *very* high level that few

people ever got to, you could go outside with nobody watching you.

I know autistic people are supposed to dislike change, but after awhile,

I started looking forward to mealtimes, changes of shift, *anything*, as

long as they made things a little different. And then I'd realize

things were just as boring after this change, and wait for the next one.

They harnessed that particular desire for change to get people to do

what they wanted us to. ( " You want to go outside? Well if you do this

and this and this, and if we're in a good mood that day, we'll let you

on level 2! That means you're working to get better. " )

> The other women playing were not mean about it, but

> they commented that it was usual to *move* when playing

> the game. They quickly figured out how to play around

> me.

I don't even remember if it was patients or staff who led me to the

sidelines, but someone did. I was never asked to play after that. I

did, however, go on those single-file outdoor walks.

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[Guest guest]

wrote:

>I've got two main sets of memories attached to volleyball.

>

>One, playing it in school.....

>Two, playing it in an institution. Getting told to go sit on the

>sidelines after getting hit with the ball too many times.

I played it once in prison. Going to play volleyball was

one of very few opportunities to move from one building

to another (i.e., to see the sky, grass, weather, etc.).

The other women playing were not mean about it, but

they commented that it was usual to *move* when playing

the game. They quickly figured out how to play around

me.

Jane

[Guest guest]

I played volleyball with my parents and my siblings. We are all

AS so you can imagine the chaos, but it was fun!

I was pretty good at serving, too, but I learned to do it with my

fingers folded over (back of my hand and knuckles where hand

meets fingers straight and flat, the last two knuckles folded

over). No pain, and good aim!

Louis

From: ONeal

> And I was a good server in volleyball (which I detested).

> Couldn't play the game worth a damn, but I could serve.

> Again, my violin teacher despaired of me, because I

> couldn't serve by hitting the ball with my fist. Instead,

> I hit it with the bone in my wrist and my forearem

> swelled up like a balloon.

Actually, the standard is with the palm and fingers of an open

hand.

I can play vb to an extent; I *love* watching high-level

volleyball

(especially women's) because of the complexity and beauty of the

game.

Doug

[Guest guest]

I wanted to play football, too! My cousins use to play with us,

then the NTs decided that it was ALL of the cousins against my

cousin Steve and I (both big and fast and AS). Steve would clear

a path, and I would run the ball. Great fun!

I’m so excited that its NFL season again!

Louis

From:

In school when the girls were playing volleyball, the boys were

playing

American football. I *really* wanted to play American football

(even

though I probably would have been awful at it), but I was never

allowed

to. Got very pissed off about that, knowing that if I were

really

athletic I'd probably be allowed to play, but that terrible male

players

were allowed but terrible female players were not. (My dad's

school had

had a girl on the team, but she had to be better than all the

boys in

order to be allowed basically.) Was told, " Well, girls have

volleyball. " Yes, girls had volleyball, and I hated volleyball.

And

then they had a boy's volleyball team soon after, so there was no

excuse.

[Guest guest]

>

>> wrote:

>>>I've got two main sets of memories attached to volleyball.

>

>>>One, playing it in school.....

>>>Two, playing it in an institution. Getting told to go sit on the

>>>sidelines after getting hit with the ball too many times.

>

I can remember when I was first introduced to the game. It was

something girls did and boys did not. Anyway towards the end of my

Schooling rules changed and girls were allowed to play in the Gym

with Boys. The first sport I played was Volleyball and the Girls

Thrashed the pants off us. I can remember the Teacher getting very

cross (MALE), cause it made him look a Jerk. You might call him very

sexist now.

>>I played it once in prison. Going to play volleyball was

>>one of very few opportunities to move from one building

>>to another (i.e., to see the sky, grass, weather, etc.).

>

Never been to prison yet. I know people who have been though. I

suspect that many of them are Aspies that went on the wrong side of

the tracks. Had they of been treated better they would not of ended

up there.

Steve

My Aspergers Groups

http://www.geocities.com/chemerelite

http://clix.to/chemer

[Guest guest]

>I wanted to play football, too! My cousins use to play with us,

>then the NTs decided that it was ALL of the cousins against my

>cousin Steve and I (both big and fast and AS). Steve would clear

>a path, and I would run the ball. Great fun!

>

>I’m so excited that its NFL season again!

>

>Louis

>

American Football is a lot tougher than ours. Its a combination of

Rugby, not a soft game and our Football. Anyway I would say as a

game goes it can get very rough. Probably requires a lot more skills

not only in co-ordination, but also in you mind.

Steve

My Aspergers Groups

http://www.geocities.com/chemerelite

http://clix.to/chemer

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>I don't know how prisons work, but where I was kept, they had various

>levels. On some levels you weren't allowed to leave one room. Then you

>could go, maybe, to the dayroom (do prisons have dayrooms?), on the next

>one. Then, you could go to the cafeteria and/or on supervised walks (in

>straight single-file lines). If you got to a *very* high level that few

>people ever got to, you could go outside with nobody watching you....

>They harnessed that particular desire for change to get people to do

>what they wanted us to. ( " You want to go outside? Well if you do this

>and this and this, and if we're in a good mood that day, we'll let you

>on level 2! That means you're working to get better. " )

Many prisons operate on exactly that model. As budgets

get cut, of course, much of that " embellishment " is

eliminated. More lock-up time, less of anything else.

I assume that's true of all institutions, whether

they are called prisons or hospitals or schools or

anything else.

Jane

[Guest guest]

>>

>>> wrote:

>>>>I've got two main sets of memories attached to volleyball.

>>

>>>>One, playing it in school.....

>>>>Two, playing it in an institution. Getting told to go sit on the

>>>>sidelines after getting hit with the ball too many times.

>>

>

>I can remember when I was first introduced to the game. It was

>something girls did and boys did not. Anyway towards the end of my

>Schooling rules changed and girls were allowed to play in the Gym

>with Boys. The first sport I played was Volleyball and the Girls

>Thrashed the pants off us. I can remember the Teacher getting very

>cross (MALE), cause it made him look a Jerk. You might call him

>very

>sexist now.

>

>

>>>I played it once in prison. Going to play volleyball was

>>>one of very few opportunities to move from one building

>>>to another (i.e., to see the sky, grass, weather, etc.).

>>

>

>Never been to prison yet. I know people who have been though. I

>suspect that many of them are Aspies that went on the wrong side of

>the tracks. Had they of been treated better they would not of ended

>up there.

>

>Steve

>

>

>My Aspergers Groups

>

>http://www.geocities.com/chemerelite

>http://clix.to/chemer

My Aspergers Groups

http://www.geocities.com/chemerelite

http://clix.to/chemer

[Guest guest]

>>I wanted to play football, too! My cousins use to play with us,

>>then the NTs decided that it was ALL of the cousins against my

>>cousin Steve and I (both big and fast and AS). Steve would clear

>>a path, and I would run the ball. Great fun!

>>

>>I’m so excited that its NFL season again!

>>

>>Louis

>>

>

>American Football is a lot tougher than ours. Its a combination of

>Rugby, not a soft game and our Football. Anyway I would say as a

>game goes it can get very rough. Probably requires a lot more

>skills

>not only in co-ordination, but also in you mind.

>

>Steve

>

>My Aspergers Groups

>

>http://www.geocities.com/chemerelite

>http://clix.to/chemer

My Aspergers Groups

http://www.geocities.com/chemerelite

http://clix.to/chemer

[Guest guest]

The plays are planned out before each scrimmage, so you know

where you’re supposed to go and what you’re supposed to do when

you get there. When we were in England at a pub once, this bloke

kept telling us that American football was a wussy game because

we wear pads. What I don’t think he realized it’s that the pads

can be used against your opponent. For example, you can hook your

shoulder pad under the other players shoulder pad and wrench

upwards. It hurts like hell and their shoulder aches for days.

You can head butt them in the chest with your helmet, too, which

is an illegal move, but if you need to teach someone to stay out

of your face it’s very effective.

We loved to watch “Rigby on the telly” when we were over there.

It’s a pretty exciting game to watch, and those guys looks so

tired and messy when the game is over, I think they have a pretty

good time playing it. Cricket, however, zzzzzzzzzzzz.

Louis

From: Chemer

>>I wanted to play football, too! My cousins use to play with

us,

>>then the NTs decided that it was ALL of the cousins against my

>>cousin Steve and I (both big and fast and AS). Steve would

clear

>>a path, and I would run the ball. Great fun!

>>

>>I’m so excited that its NFL season again!

>>

>>Louis

>>

>

>American Football is a lot tougher than ours. Its a combination

of

>Rugby, not a soft game and our Football. Anyway I would say as

a

>game goes it can get very rough. Probably requires a lot more

>skills

>not only in co-ordination, but also in you mind.

>

>Steve