RE: SEDIMENT & WATER SAMPLES BY PRIVATE FOUNDATION NEW ORLEANS

[Guest guest]

Stacey, Tony,

Thanks for the responses. The most interesting is Tony's item #2.

Sewage Sludge Disposal. Do people eat arsenic-yes! in Garlic. So is

garlic the source?

Are arsenic wastes disposed of in the sanitary sewer system? They

should not be any more in concentrations that exceed the primary waste

water treatment standards.

All of the other potential sources again raise the question of how did

it get into the mud. Land runoff? Cattle waste runoff?

Remember the hurricane that hit the Carolinas about 10 years ago. The

manure waste from pig and cattle farms caused a lot of dead ocean.

But no arsenic was reported.

Was this mud from the Mississippi? Probably not from the ocean. But

if it was a storm surge, wasn't this ocean water?

There is some old department of agriculture movies that show people

applying arsenic pest control products in the 30s.

The pictures were from mid west farmers. But that was some 70 years

ago.

In the 1600 to 1800s (perhaps earlier) arsenic was used as a medicine.

Mostly for syphilis.

Also during this time, women did take arsenic to make them pale and

white. It caused anemia.

On the other hand, it was also a common poison to get rid of ones

adversaries. I think there is some evidence of its use in town.

Does not appear there is any simple answer to this question.

Bob

[Guest guest]



Interesting they are comparing to the standard rather

than samples taken before Katrina. Makes you

wonder if the levels are pre-Katrina. Maybe they

do better in the full report. Katrina may not have

had anything to do with the levels.

Henry A Boyter Jr., PhD

Director of EHS Services

Institute of Textile Technology

SEDIMENT & WATER SAMPLES BY PRIVATE FOUNDATION NEW ORLEANS

Hi All,

This is way over my head, but thought you all might find it of interest.

Sharon

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASEOctober 7,2005Subra Company and The Louisiana Environmental Action Network

Contact:Wilma SubraSubra Company

lee OrrLouisiana Environmental Action Network

RESULTS OF SEDIMENT AND WATER SAMPLING IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS IMPACTED BY HURRICANE KATRINA

NEW ORLEANS, LA. Flooding associated with Hurricane Katrina deposited a layer of sediment in many areas of south east Louisiana. On September 16, 2005, Subra Company was assisted by Altamont Environmental with sediment and surface water sampling in five residential areas in New Orleans, Chalmette and Meraux that were impacted by flood waters from Hurricane Katrina. The sampling was conducted to assess potential organic and inorganic contamination of those residential areas.

Sediment samples collected from three neighborhoods contained arsenic, benzo(a)pyrene and petroleum hydrocarbons at levels exceeding US Environmental Protection Agency and Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality standards. Regulatory Criteria were exceeded at the following sample locations: * Intersection of North Claiborne Avenue and St. Roch Avenue in the Lower 9th Ward of New Orleans *Near the Intersection of Almonaster Boulevard and Liberty Terrace near the Agriculture Street Landfill Superfund Site in New Orleans East * Near the intersection of on Road and Foch Road in New Orleans East

After evaluating the data Subra Company president Wilma Subra commented that, “the community members should not have been allowed to return to the areas where they could come in contact with the contaminated sediments. Community members have been allowed to return to the sampled residential areas to check on and clean up their homes. The community members were not provided with information about the contamination nor provided with protective equipment to minimize their exposure to the toxic chemicals in the sediment. The cumulative impacts of the large number of toxic chemicals in the sediment pose a risk to community members and response personnel working in the area with out protective equipment. There is a need for the Environmental Protection Agency to establish clean up levels and require that the cleanup levels be met before community members are allowed to return to the currently contaminated areas.â€

A more detailed evaluation of the data identifies the following:

The sediment sample collected from the Lower 9th Ward of New Orleans (SS-1) contained 12 Polynuclear Aromatic Hydrocarbons (PAH) which are suspected to cause cancer in humans. The PAH Benzo (a) pyrene (a probable human carcinogen) was detected at 195 ug/kg/ which is 3 times greater than the Environmental Protection Agency Region 6 Residential Standard of 62 ug/kg. The residue sediment sample also contained Arsenic (a known human cancer causing agent) at a concentration that was 75 times higher than the EPA Residential Standard.

The sediment from SS-1 also contained elevated levels of a number of heavy metals (Barium, Cadmium, Chromium and Lead) and a host of volatile organic chemicals (Benzene, Chlorobenzene, Toluene and Carbon Disulfide) associated with petroleum products.

The sediment sample collected from near the Agriculture Street Landfill Superfund site in New Orleans East (SS-2) contained 10 Polynuclear Aromatic Hydrocarbons (PAH) suspected to cause cancer in humans. The PAH Benzo (a) pyrene (a probable human carcinogen) was detected at a concentration 2.7 times higher than the EPA Residential Standard. The Arsenic concentration in the sediment was 13.3 times higher than the EPA Residential Standard.

The SS-2 sediment also contained the toxic heavy metals Barium, Chromium and Lead and the petroleum based volatile organic chemicals Benzene, Chlorobenzene, Toluene and Carbon Disulfide in elevated levels.

The flood water near the Agriculture Street Landfill contained Barium and the volatile organic chemicals Benzene, Ethyl Benzene, Toluene, Xylene and Carbon Disulfide.

The sediment in the on Road area of New Orleans East contained Arsenic 28 times greater than the EPA Residential standard. The sediment also contained petroleum hydrocarbons in excess of the standard and the toxic heavy metals Barium, Cadmium, Chromium and Lead.

The Meraux residential area in St. Bernard Parish near the Refinery contained sediment contaminated with elevated levels of the volatile organic chemicals Benzene, Chlorobenzene, Toluene and Carbon Disulfide and the heavy metals Barium, Chromium and Lead. The residential area of Chalmette in St. Bernard Parish near the Exxon/Mobil Refinery contained sediment contaminated with elevated levels of the volatile organic chemicals Chlorobenzene, Toluene and Carbon Disulfide, and the toxic heavy metals Barium, Cadmium, Chromium and Lead.

The sampling project was performed by Subra Company and The Louisiana Environmental Action Network and Altamont Environmental and was sponsored by Kapor Foundation

The full report is available at www.LEANWEB.org/Katrina

[Guest guest]



Interesting they are comparing to the standard rather

than samples taken before Katrina. Makes you

wonder if the levels are pre-Katrina. Maybe they

do better in the full report. Katrina may not have

had anything to do with the levels.

Henry A Boyter Jr., PhD

Director of EHS Services

Institute of Textile Technology

SEDIMENT & WATER SAMPLES BY PRIVATE FOUNDATION NEW ORLEANS

Hi All,

This is way over my head, but thought you all might find it of interest.

Sharon

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASEOctober 7,2005Subra Company and The Louisiana Environmental Action Network

Contact:Wilma SubraSubra Company

lee OrrLouisiana Environmental Action Network

RESULTS OF SEDIMENT AND WATER SAMPLING IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS IMPACTED BY HURRICANE KATRINA

NEW ORLEANS, LA. Flooding associated with Hurricane Katrina deposited a layer of sediment in many areas of south east Louisiana. On September 16, 2005, Subra Company was assisted by Altamont Environmental with sediment and surface water sampling in five residential areas in New Orleans, Chalmette and Meraux that were impacted by flood waters from Hurricane Katrina. The sampling was conducted to assess potential organic and inorganic contamination of those residential areas.

Sediment samples collected from three neighborhoods contained arsenic, benzo(a)pyrene and petroleum hydrocarbons at levels exceeding US Environmental Protection Agency and Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality standards. Regulatory Criteria were exceeded at the following sample locations: * Intersection of North Claiborne Avenue and St. Roch Avenue in the Lower 9th Ward of New Orleans *Near the Intersection of Almonaster Boulevard and Liberty Terrace near the Agriculture Street Landfill Superfund Site in New Orleans East * Near the intersection of on Road and Foch Road in New Orleans East

After evaluating the data Subra Company president Wilma Subra commented that, “the community members should not have been allowed to return to the areas where they could come in contact with the contaminated sediments. Community members have been allowed to return to the sampled residential areas to check on and clean up their homes. The community members were not provided with information about the contamination nor provided with protective equipment to minimize their exposure to the toxic chemicals in the sediment. The cumulative impacts of the large number of toxic chemicals in the sediment pose a risk to community members and response personnel working in the area with out protective equipment. There is a need for the Environmental Protection Agency to establish clean up levels and require that the cleanup levels be met before community members are allowed to return to the currently contaminated areas.â€

A more detailed evaluation of the data identifies the following:

The sediment sample collected from the Lower 9th Ward of New Orleans (SS-1) contained 12 Polynuclear Aromatic Hydrocarbons (PAH) which are suspected to cause cancer in humans. The PAH Benzo (a) pyrene (a probable human carcinogen) was detected at 195 ug/kg/ which is 3 times greater than the Environmental Protection Agency Region 6 Residential Standard of 62 ug/kg. The residue sediment sample also contained Arsenic (a known human cancer causing agent) at a concentration that was 75 times higher than the EPA Residential Standard.

The sediment from SS-1 also contained elevated levels of a number of heavy metals (Barium, Cadmium, Chromium and Lead) and a host of volatile organic chemicals (Benzene, Chlorobenzene, Toluene and Carbon Disulfide) associated with petroleum products.

The sediment sample collected from near the Agriculture Street Landfill Superfund site in New Orleans East (SS-2) contained 10 Polynuclear Aromatic Hydrocarbons (PAH) suspected to cause cancer in humans. The PAH Benzo (a) pyrene (a probable human carcinogen) was detected at a concentration 2.7 times higher than the EPA Residential Standard. The Arsenic concentration in the sediment was 13.3 times higher than the EPA Residential Standard.

The SS-2 sediment also contained the toxic heavy metals Barium, Chromium and Lead and the petroleum based volatile organic chemicals Benzene, Chlorobenzene, Toluene and Carbon Disulfide in elevated levels.

The flood water near the Agriculture Street Landfill contained Barium and the volatile organic chemicals Benzene, Ethyl Benzene, Toluene, Xylene and Carbon Disulfide.

The sediment in the on Road area of New Orleans East contained Arsenic 28 times greater than the EPA Residential standard. The sediment also contained petroleum hydrocarbons in excess of the standard and the toxic heavy metals Barium, Cadmium, Chromium and Lead.

The Meraux residential area in St. Bernard Parish near the Refinery contained sediment contaminated with elevated levels of the volatile organic chemicals Benzene, Chlorobenzene, Toluene and Carbon Disulfide and the heavy metals Barium, Chromium and Lead. The residential area of Chalmette in St. Bernard Parish near the Exxon/Mobil Refinery contained sediment contaminated with elevated levels of the volatile organic chemicals Chlorobenzene, Toluene and Carbon Disulfide, and the toxic heavy metals Barium, Cadmium, Chromium and Lead.

The sampling project was performed by Subra Company and The Louisiana Environmental Action Network and Altamont Environmental and was sponsored by Kapor Foundation

The full report is available at www.LEANWEB.org/Katrina

[Guest guest]



I'm a consultant in New Orleans and arsenic is always high, at least compared to the current standard. What is high right now is pen/asp group. I have results ranging from 200 spores per cubic meter to 268,000 spores/m3 for indoor samples, outside counts are ranging from 50 to 30,000 depending on the day. It is not uncommon for us to get high pen/asp counts indoors and outdoor counts are much lower. These high counts are after remediation and the facility looks great. Many times I am banging my head on my desk (when I have the time).

RE: SEDIMENT & WATER SAMPLES BY PRIVATE FOUNDATION NEW ORLEANS

See below

Tony.......................................................................... "Tony" Havics, CHMM, CIH, PEpH2, LLCPO Box 34140Indianapolis, IN 46234 cell90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any consultant can give you the other 10%℠-----Original Message-----From: iequality [mailto:iequality ] On Behalf Of Bob sSent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 11:50 AMTo: iequality Subject: Re: SEDIMENT & WATER SAMPLES BY PRIVATE FOUNDATION NEW ORLEANSDoes anyone have any curiosity of where the arsenic in NOLA has comefrom? It's not like this stuff is regularly lying around.Define elevated NO has high background to begin with (>11 ppm) [Geochemical Landscapes of the Conterminous United States— New Map Presentations for 22 Elements U.S. Department of the Interior U.S. Geological Survey U.S. Geological Survey Professional Paper 1648]

Other non-mineralogic alluvial or sedimentary-based deposition Sources (primarily explained by run-off):

1. Historically as a medicinal aphrodisiac

2. Sewage sludge disposal

3. Slag from founderies and incinerators - commonly used for fill.

4. Herbicides/defoliants (arsenic pentoxide) (Florida has a high background because of this)

5. Pesticides and insecticides (lead and calcium arsenates)

6. Fungicides (arsenic pentoxide)

7. Feed additives for poultry (arsenic acid, roxarsone)

8. Livestock dips (sodium arsenite or arsenic trioxide)

9. Debarking trees (sodium arsenite)

10. Aquatic weed control (sodium arsenite)

11. Tanning and taxidermy operations (arsenic disulfide)

12. Wood treatment and preservative operations (chromated copper arsenate or CCA for short)

13. Sludge formation control in lubricating oils

14. Releases from the burning of coal including fly ash (commonly used for fill)

15. Medicinal veterinarian preparations

16. Decolorizer and fining agent in the production of glassware (refined arsenic trioxide)

17. Hardening copper, lead and alloys

18. Doping agent in germanium and silicon solid-state products, special solders

19. Making gallium arsenide for dipoles and other electronic devices

20. Pigments [orpiment, As2S2, emerald green Cu(C2H3O2)2•3Cu(AsO2)2, ] and antifouling paints (very common in port areas)

21. Pharmaceuticals

[source: Havics, A.: Report on Determination of Acceptable Arsenic Exposure from CCA Coated Wood at Municipal Playgrounds in Florida. June 19, 2001]

Out of the 300 soil samples, only a few were above the definitionlevels for hazardous waste and these were in non related locations.Why were tests only done in NOLA? Certainly, there is mud and muck inother areas further inland. What does this stuff contain?I would think that identifying the source would be fairly important. Is it leaching into the canals from some old HW site?Bob

[Guest guest]



I'm a consultant in New Orleans and arsenic is always high, at least compared to the current standard. What is high right now is pen/asp group. I have results ranging from 200 spores per cubic meter to 268,000 spores/m3 for indoor samples, outside counts are ranging from 50 to 30,000 depending on the day. It is not uncommon for us to get high pen/asp counts indoors and outdoor counts are much lower. These high counts are after remediation and the facility looks great. Many times I am banging my head on my desk (when I have the time).

RE: SEDIMENT & WATER SAMPLES BY PRIVATE FOUNDATION NEW ORLEANS

See below

Tony.......................................................................... "Tony" Havics, CHMM, CIH, PEpH2, LLCPO Box 34140Indianapolis, IN 46234 cell90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any consultant can give you the other 10%℠-----Original Message-----From: iequality [mailto:iequality ] On Behalf Of Bob sSent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 11:50 AMTo: iequality Subject: Re: SEDIMENT & WATER SAMPLES BY PRIVATE FOUNDATION NEW ORLEANSDoes anyone have any curiosity of where the arsenic in NOLA has comefrom? It's not like this stuff is regularly lying around.Define elevated NO has high background to begin with (>11 ppm) [Geochemical Landscapes of the Conterminous United States— New Map Presentations for 22 Elements U.S. Department of the Interior U.S. Geological Survey U.S. Geological Survey Professional Paper 1648]

Other non-mineralogic alluvial or sedimentary-based deposition Sources (primarily explained by run-off):

1. Historically as a medicinal aphrodisiac

2. Sewage sludge disposal

3. Slag from founderies and incinerators - commonly used for fill.

4. Herbicides/defoliants (arsenic pentoxide) (Florida has a high background because of this)

5. Pesticides and insecticides (lead and calcium arsenates)

6. Fungicides (arsenic pentoxide)

7. Feed additives for poultry (arsenic acid, roxarsone)

8. Livestock dips (sodium arsenite or arsenic trioxide)

9. Debarking trees (sodium arsenite)

10. Aquatic weed control (sodium arsenite)

11. Tanning and taxidermy operations (arsenic disulfide)

12. Wood treatment and preservative operations (chromated copper arsenate or CCA for short)

13. Sludge formation control in lubricating oils

14. Releases from the burning of coal including fly ash (commonly used for fill)

15. Medicinal veterinarian preparations

16. Decolorizer and fining agent in the production of glassware (refined arsenic trioxide)

17. Hardening copper, lead and alloys

18. Doping agent in germanium and silicon solid-state products, special solders

19. Making gallium arsenide for dipoles and other electronic devices

20. Pigments [orpiment, As2S2, emerald green Cu(C2H3O2)2•3Cu(AsO2)2, ] and antifouling paints (very common in port areas)

21. Pharmaceuticals

[source: Havics, A.: Report on Determination of Acceptable Arsenic Exposure from CCA Coated Wood at Municipal Playgrounds in Florida. June 19, 2001]

Out of the 300 soil samples, only a few were above the definitionlevels for hazardous waste and these were in non related locations.Why were tests only done in NOLA? Certainly, there is mud and muck inother areas further inland. What does this stuff contain?I would think that identifying the source would be fairly important. Is it leaching into the canals from some old HW site?Bob

[Guest guest]



-

Out of curiosity, why are the arsenic levels always high?

Thanks.

Stacey Champion

From:

iequality [mailto:iequality ] On Behalf Of Cole

Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005

8:50 PM

To: iequality

Subject: Re: SEDIMENT

& WATER SAMPLES BY PRIVATE FOUNDATION NEW ORLEANS

I'm a consultant in New

Orleans and arsenic is always high, at least compared

to the current standard. What is high right now is pen/asp group. I

have results ranging from 200 spores per cubic meter to 268,000 spores/m3 for

indoor samples, outside counts are ranging from 50 to 30,000 depending on the

day. It is not uncommon for us to get high pen/asp counts indoors and

outdoor counts are much lower. These high counts are after remediation

and the facility looks great. Many times I am banging my head on my desk

(when I have the time).

Re: SEDIMENT & WATER SAMPLES BY PRIVATE FOUNDATION NEW

ORLEANS

Does anyone have any curiosity of where the arsenic in NOLA has come

from? It's not like this stuff is regularly lying around.

Define elevated NO has high background

to begin with (>11 ppm) [Geochemical Landscapes of the Conterminous United

States— New Map Presentations for 22 Elements U.S. Department of the Interior

U.S. Geological Survey U.S. Geological Survey Professional Paper 1648]

Other non-mineralogic alluvial or

sedimentary-based deposition Sources (primarily explained by run-off):

1. Historically as a

medicinal aphrodisiac

2. Sewage sludge

disposal

3. Slag from

founderies and incinerators - commonly used for fill.

4.

Herbicides/defoliants (arsenic pentoxide) (Florida has a high background because of

this)

5. Pesticides and

insecticides (lead and calcium arsenates)

6. Fungicides (arsenic pentoxide)

7. Feed additives for

poultry (arsenic acid, roxarsone)

8. Livestock dips

(sodium arsenite or arsenic trioxide)

9. Debarking trees

(sodium arsenite)

10. Aquatic weed control

(sodium arsenite)

11. Tanning and

taxidermy operations (arsenic disulfide)

12. Wood treatment

and preservative operations (chromated copper arsenate or CCA for short)

13. Sludge formation

control in lubricating oils

14. Releases from the

burning of coal including fly ash (commonly used for fill)

15. Medicinal

veterinarian preparations

16. Decolorizer and

fining agent in the production of glassware (refined arsenic trioxide)

17. Hardening copper,

lead and alloys

18. Doping agent in

germanium and silicon solid-state products, special solders

19. Making gallium

arsenide for dipoles and other electronic devices

20. Pigments

[orpiment, As2S2, emerald green Cu(C2H3O2)2•3Cu(AsO2)2,

] and antifouling paints (very common in port areas)

21. Pharmaceuticals

[source: Havics, A.: Report on Determination

of Acceptable Arsenic Exposure from CCA Coated Wood at

Municipal Playgrounds in Florida.

June 19, 2001]

Out of the 300 soil samples, only a few were above the definition

levels for hazardous waste and these were in non related locations.

Why were tests only done in NOLA? Certainly, there is mud and muck in

other areas further inland. What does this stuff contain?

I would think that identifying the source would be fairly important.

Is it leaching into the canals from some old HW site?

Bob

[Guest guest]



-

Out of curiosity, why are the arsenic levels always high?

Thanks.

Stacey Champion

From:

iequality [mailto:iequality ] On Behalf Of Cole

Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005

8:50 PM

To: iequality

Subject: Re: SEDIMENT

& WATER SAMPLES BY PRIVATE FOUNDATION NEW ORLEANS

I'm a consultant in New

Orleans and arsenic is always high, at least compared

to the current standard. What is high right now is pen/asp group. I

have results ranging from 200 spores per cubic meter to 268,000 spores/m3 for

indoor samples, outside counts are ranging from 50 to 30,000 depending on the

day. It is not uncommon for us to get high pen/asp counts indoors and

outdoor counts are much lower. These high counts are after remediation

and the facility looks great. Many times I am banging my head on my desk

(when I have the time).

Re: SEDIMENT & WATER SAMPLES BY PRIVATE FOUNDATION NEW

ORLEANS

Does anyone have any curiosity of where the arsenic in NOLA has come

from? It's not like this stuff is regularly lying around.

Define elevated NO has high background

to begin with (>11 ppm) [Geochemical Landscapes of the Conterminous United

States— New Map Presentations for 22 Elements U.S. Department of the Interior

U.S. Geological Survey U.S. Geological Survey Professional Paper 1648]

Other non-mineralogic alluvial or

sedimentary-based deposition Sources (primarily explained by run-off):

1. Historically as a

medicinal aphrodisiac

2. Sewage sludge

disposal

3. Slag from

founderies and incinerators - commonly used for fill.

4.

Herbicides/defoliants (arsenic pentoxide) (Florida has a high background because of

this)

5. Pesticides and

insecticides (lead and calcium arsenates)

6. Fungicides (arsenic pentoxide)

7. Feed additives for

poultry (arsenic acid, roxarsone)

8. Livestock dips

(sodium arsenite or arsenic trioxide)

9. Debarking trees

(sodium arsenite)

10. Aquatic weed control

(sodium arsenite)

11. Tanning and

taxidermy operations (arsenic disulfide)

12. Wood treatment

and preservative operations (chromated copper arsenate or CCA for short)

13. Sludge formation

control in lubricating oils

14. Releases from the

burning of coal including fly ash (commonly used for fill)

15. Medicinal

veterinarian preparations

16. Decolorizer and

fining agent in the production of glassware (refined arsenic trioxide)

17. Hardening copper,

lead and alloys

18. Doping agent in

germanium and silicon solid-state products, special solders

19. Making gallium

arsenide for dipoles and other electronic devices

20. Pigments

[orpiment, As2S2, emerald green Cu(C2H3O2)2•3Cu(AsO2)2,

] and antifouling paints (very common in port areas)

21. Pharmaceuticals

[source: Havics, A.: Report on Determination

of Acceptable Arsenic Exposure from CCA Coated Wood at

Municipal Playgrounds in Florida.

June 19, 2001]

Out of the 300 soil samples, only a few were above the definition

levels for hazardous waste and these were in non related locations.

Why were tests only done in NOLA? Certainly, there is mud and muck in

other areas further inland. What does this stuff contain?

I would think that identifying the source would be fairly important.

Is it leaching into the canals from some old HW site?

Bob

[Guest guest]

Did I mention that in Napoleonic era that the fungus Scopulariopsis bevacaulis

(loves to grow on wet wall paper) would eat the arsenic based pigments in the

wall paper. It could release trimethoxy arsenic as a vapor. Not your usual

MVOC.

Tony

...........................................................................

" Tony " Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE

pH2, LLC

PO Box 34140

Indianapolis, IN 46234

cell

90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any

consultant can give you the other 10%â„ 

Re: SEDIMENT & WATER SAMPLES BY PRIVATE FOUNDATION NEW

ORLEANS

Stacey, Tony,

Thanks for the responses. The most interesting is Tony's item #2.

Sewage Sludge Disposal. Do people eat arsenic-yes! in Garlic. So is

garlic the source?

Are arsenic wastes disposed of in the sanitary sewer system? They

should not be any more in concentrations that exceed the primary waste

water treatment standards.

All of the other potential sources again raise the question of how did

it get into the mud. Land runoff? Cattle waste runoff?

Remember the hurricane that hit the Carolinas about 10 years ago. The

manure waste from pig and cattle farms caused a lot of dead ocean.

But no arsenic was reported.

Was this mud from the Mississippi? Probably not from the ocean. But

if it was a storm surge, wasn't this ocean water?

There is some old department of agriculture movies that show people

applying arsenic pest control products in the 30s.

The pictures were from mid west farmers. But that was some 70 years

ago.

In the 1600 to 1800s (perhaps earlier) arsenic was used as a medicine.

Mostly for syphilis.

Also during this time, women did take arsenic to make them pale and

white. It caused anemia.

On the other hand, it was also a common poison to get rid of ones

adversaries. I think there is some evidence of its use in town.

Does not appear there is any simple answer to this question.

Bob

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[Guest guest]

Did I mention that in Napoleonic era that the fungus Scopulariopsis bevacaulis

(loves to grow on wet wall paper) would eat the arsenic based pigments in the

wall paper. It could release trimethoxy arsenic as a vapor. Not your usual

MVOC.

Tony

...........................................................................

" Tony " Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE

pH2, LLC

PO Box 34140

Indianapolis, IN 46234

cell

90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any

consultant can give you the other 10%â„ 

Re: SEDIMENT & WATER SAMPLES BY PRIVATE FOUNDATION NEW

ORLEANS

Stacey, Tony,

Thanks for the responses. The most interesting is Tony's item #2.

Sewage Sludge Disposal. Do people eat arsenic-yes! in Garlic. So is

garlic the source?

Are arsenic wastes disposed of in the sanitary sewer system? They

should not be any more in concentrations that exceed the primary waste

water treatment standards.

All of the other potential sources again raise the question of how did

it get into the mud. Land runoff? Cattle waste runoff?

Remember the hurricane that hit the Carolinas about 10 years ago. The

manure waste from pig and cattle farms caused a lot of dead ocean.

But no arsenic was reported.

Was this mud from the Mississippi? Probably not from the ocean. But

if it was a storm surge, wasn't this ocean water?

There is some old department of agriculture movies that show people

applying arsenic pest control products in the 30s.

The pictures were from mid west farmers. But that was some 70 years

ago.

In the 1600 to 1800s (perhaps earlier) arsenic was used as a medicine.

Mostly for syphilis.

Also during this time, women did take arsenic to make them pale and

white. It caused anemia.

On the other hand, it was also a common poison to get rid of ones

adversaries. I think there is some evidence of its use in town.

Does not appear there is any simple answer to this question.

Bob

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available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political,

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We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as

provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17

U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to

those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information

for research and educational purposes. For more information go to:

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