Guest guest Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Interesting questions Sara, have some experience of this with . How old is Tom? used to script entire films, in his case he seemed to think he was telling us interesting stuff, ie the film is exciting so if he parrots the entire script he then becomes exciting. A lot of 's problems sprang out of really low self esteem and the scripting was his alter ego or sometimes just a crutch, we still have many significant problems with low self esteem but no scripting as maturing has put that problem to bed and he is high functioning enough to know it's not appropriate. So in this particular instance it was about his environment and awareness rather than anything that could be addressed biomedically. Vicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Thanks Vicky. Tom's 8. He's not like in that scripting is all he has and also he scripts all day very loudly sometimes like a stim - NOT to communicate with us. But isn't it interesting that found scripting to be some sort of crutch or comfort? I wonder why. sara x > > Interesting questions Sara, have some experience of this with . > How old is Tom? > used to script entire films, in his case he seemed to think he was > telling us interesting stuff, ie the film is exciting so if he parrots the > entire script he then becomes exciting. > A lot of 's problems sprang out of really low self esteem and the > scripting was his alter ego or sometimes just a crutch, we still have many > significant problems with low self esteem but no scripting as maturing has > put that problem to bed and he is high functioning enough to know it's not > appropriate. > So in this particular instance it was about his environment and awareness > rather than anything that could be addressed biomedically. > Vicky > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Hi SaraWhat happens if you script alongside him? I am interested because NT kids speech starts with mimicking the sounds of their parents and then they babble and then they repeat the same sound over and over again.. and then it can be a word... I am really interested because our special children often miss some of the foundations and then as their neural functioning begins at a later stage, there is a gap between what they would like to do and their ability due to missing corner stones in the foundations of speech and communication. We have had many " missing foundations " in lots of areas with Tash, and I have found that returning to the foundations of this skill and finding a fun way to instill it has allowed her to make big gains in a relatively short period of time.. The ability to recount long and complex language is testament to the incredible brilliance which lies within... don;t you think...?Tracey Thanks Vicky. Tom's 8. He's not like in that scripting is all he has and also he scripts all day very loudly sometimes like a stim - NOT to communicate with us. But isn't it interesting that found scripting to be some sort of crutch or comfort? I wonder why. sara x > > Interesting questions Sara, have some experience of this with . > How old is Tom? > used to script entire films, in his case he seemed to think he was > telling us interesting stuff, ie the film is exciting so if he parrots the > entire script he then becomes exciting. > A lot of 's problems sprang out of really low self esteem and the > scripting was his alter ego or sometimes just a crutch, we still have many > significant problems with low self esteem but no scripting as maturing has > put that problem to bed and he is high functioning enough to know it's not > appropriate. > So in this particular instance it was about his environment and awareness > rather than anything that could be addressed biomedically. > Vicky > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 But isn't it interesting that found scripting to be some sort of crutch or comfort? I wonder why.sara x In 's case he was looking to be someone more interesting as he was mocked and isolated at school film scripts fitted perfectly in his mind at the time, he would even speak in accents. It's all quite sad really and I'm glad this isn't the issue for Tom, just remember so well hours of this scripting. As a 16yr old he has decided he does not require friends, course this is just because he finds it safer, never been able to overcome this social skills issue, don't really believe everything is can be solved with biomed but maybe RDI is the way forward for this kind of presentation, anyway don't want to hijack your thread. Vicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 I know a few times when I have been very stressed, certain words will play over and over in my head. Not surprisingly, biomed words like phosphatidylcholine and other multisyllabic ones. It's not like I'm thinking about these words, it's just some intrusive kind of chant. This happens more when I'm trying to fall asleep. It's a sign I need more adrenal cortex and some of the other supps I often forget to take. I'm not sure if this is the same for our kids, but it does feel like it's not in my control, which is a stressful thing in itself, to not feel in control of your thoughts. So, a bit of a vicious circle. I also used to, more when I was a child, count when I was very stressed. Not aloud, but in my head, over and over, to a hundred. This was, I think, a way to preoccupy myself and avoid thinking about whatever was stressing me. I had panic attacks as a child and teenager (once in a while still do) which I didn't know were panic attacks until I was about 30. I think the repetitive counting was my way of trying to avoid them. I haven't made myself sound very stable! But I do think that the vocal stimming/scripting may be related in many cases just to feeling overwhelmed and that biomedical treatments for stress and/or sensory help might be called for. Anita > > > > Interesting questions Sara, have some experience of this with . > > How old is Tom? > > used to script entire films, in his case he seemed to think he was > > telling us interesting stuff, ie the film is exciting so if he parrots the > > entire script he then becomes exciting. > > A lot of 's problems sprang out of really low self esteem and the > > scripting was his alter ego or sometimes just a crutch, we still have many > > significant problems with low self esteem but no scripting as maturing has > > put that problem to bed and he is high functioning enough to know it's not > > appropriate. > > So in this particular instance it was about his environment and awareness > > rather than anything that could be addressed biomedically. > > Vicky > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Sam used to script all day long. AC protocol and KiB 500 had massively cut it down here K X > > > > Interesting questions Sara, have some experience of this with . > > How old is Tom? > > used to script entire films, in his case he seemed to think he was > > telling us interesting stuff, ie the film is exciting so if he parrots the > > entire script he then becomes exciting. > > A lot of 's problems sprang out of really low self esteem and the > > scripting was his alter ego or sometimes just a crutch, we still have many > > significant problems with low self esteem but no scripting as maturing has > > put that problem to bed and he is high functioning enough to know it's not > > appropriate. > > So in this particular instance it was about his environment and awareness > > rather than anything that could be addressed biomedically. > > Vicky > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Sam used to script all day long. AC protocol and KiB 500 had massively cut it down here K X > > > > Interesting questions Sara, have some experience of this with . > > How old is Tom? > > used to script entire films, in his case he seemed to think he was > > telling us interesting stuff, ie the film is exciting so if he parrots the > > entire script he then becomes exciting. > > A lot of 's problems sprang out of really low self esteem and the > > scripting was his alter ego or sometimes just a crutch, we still have many > > significant problems with low self esteem but no scripting as maturing has > > put that problem to bed and he is high functioning enough to know it's not > > appropriate. > > So in this particular instance it was about his environment and awareness > > rather than anything that could be addressed biomedically. > > Vicky > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 How many rounds of AC chelation did you do before you saw a noticeable reduction in stimming? Sam used to script all day long. AC protocol and KiB 500 had massively cut it down hereKX> >> > Interesting questions Sara, have some experience of this with . > > How old is Tom?> > used to script entire films, in his case he seemed to think he was > > telling us interesting stuff, ie the film is exciting so if he parrots the > > entire script he then becomes exciting.> > A lot of 's problems sprang out of really low self esteem and the > > scripting was his alter ego or sometimes just a crutch, we still have many > > significant problems with low self esteem but no scripting as maturing has > > put that problem to bed and he is high functioning enough to know it's not > > appropriate.> > So in this particular instance it was about his environment and awareness > > rather than anything that could be addressed biomedically.> > Vicky> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 About 40. He still does it but it's alot less. It went down when yeast started to subside and also I cut out Biokult which is a probiotic that is a problem for kids who have strep. Kirsty X > > > > > > Interesting questions Sara, have some experience of this with . > > > How old is Tom? > > > used to script entire films, in his case he seemed to think he > was > > > telling us interesting stuff, ie the film is exciting so if he parrots > the > > > entire script he then becomes exciting. > > > A lot of 's problems sprang out of really low self esteem and > the > > > scripting was his alter ego or sometimes just a crutch, we still have > many > > > significant problems with low self esteem but no scripting as maturing > has > > > put that problem to bed and he is high functioning enough to know it's > not > > > appropriate. > > > So in this particular instance it was about his environment and > awareness > > > rather than anything that could be addressed biomedically. > > > Vicky > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 That's great Kirst, that's what I was after. will get back to chelation some time but not yet. I will look into Kib500 now. Ta xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Sara, TA members do get a discount on KIB500. Anita > > That's great Kirst, that's what I was after. will get back to chelation > some time but not yet. I will look into Kib500 now. Ta xxx > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Hi Sara, It was artemisia (or artemesia) annua that stopped scripting for us. Mind haven't heard of this having the same effect for anyone else. Best wishes, Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 That's great. Thanks Anita. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Thanks Sandy. It didn't do anything (as far as I could see back then) for Tom when we tried it years ago. But I should give it another go. I'll put it on the end of my 'to do' list. Thanks, Sara xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Thanks Sandy. It didn't do anything (as far as I could see back then) for Tom when we tried it years ago. But I should give it another go. I'll put it on the end of my 'to do' list. Thanks, Sara xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 some of it could be anxiety, as Anita pointed, but some of it def a way of communication, making sense of the world and the language. I'd be interested to hear what Noam Chomsky would have to say on. I remember someone on this list (Darla??) wrote to him years ago re lack of language requisition in autism. He said he could not contribute much, but maybe could with this as a more specific question. I don't have his contact email btw but maybe possible to google him and get it? Natasa > > (After reading 's post on scripting) I was wondering if anyone had > anything at all to say about scripting (I mean in a biomedical, physical > sense). > My son (and many others I believe) does not have access to normal > language. These are the things I know about his scripts: > 1. I believe he is driven to learn 'things' like DVDs in their entirity. > He somehow feels he has to memorise everything rather than just sit back > and enjoy it. (That's the first thing I wonder if anyone can explain - > any biomed stuff - what part of the brain is this, etc etc) > 2. The only language he seems to have is what he can make from his > scripts. Whichever part of the brain that makes 'normal' language is > either not working or he doesn't have access to it (Does this ring any > bells with anyone?) > 3. I believe first he has a thought, next he finds a script that is > similar in some way to his thought and thirdly he changes words he and > there so that he can talk to us. e.g he will say aloud " Maisy can't go > out to play, it's her bathtime. " and then " Tom can't go out to play, > it's raining. " This strikes me as a very difficult way to have to > communicate and I wish I could help him. > It's worth mentioning that earlier - when he was even less capable with > language he would use the script unaltered in a situation which he > viewed as similar e.g. " Oh no, I've ruined the teddy bear's picnic. " was > trotted out any time he felt sad. > 4. He scripts seeminly aimlessly on some days, i.e. not to communicate > with us - this varies from day to day which I think (as in the case of > 's son) means it could be a reflection of something physical??? > > I'd love people's comments on any of this. I'm ok with educational type > therapies and how to deal with this on a day to day basis. I'm just > asking about physical/ biomed/ treatment stuff. > > Thanks, > Sara xxx > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 > > (After reading 's post on scripting) I was wondering if anyone had > anything at all to say about scripting (I mean in a biomedical, physical > sense). > My son (and many others I believe) does not have access to normal > language. These are the things I know about his scripts: > 1. I believe he is driven to learn 'things' like DVDs in their entirity. > He somehow feels he has to memorise everything rather than just sit back > and enjoy it. (That's the first thing I wonder if anyone can explain - > any biomed stuff - what part of the brain is this, etc etc) > 2. The only language he seems to have is what he can make from his > scripts. Whichever part of the brain that makes 'normal' language is > either not working or he doesn't have access to it (Does this ring any > bells with anyone?) > 3. I believe first he has a thought, next he finds a script that is > similar in some way to his thought and thirdly he changes words he and > there so that he can talk to us. e.g he will say aloud " Maisy can't go > out to play, it's her bathtime. " and then " Tom can't go out to play, > it's raining. " This strikes me as a very difficult way to have to > communicate and I wish I could help him. > It's worth mentioning that earlier - when he was even less capable with > language he would use the script unaltered in a situation which he > viewed as similar e.g. " Oh no, I've ruined the teddy bear's picnic. " was > trotted out any time he felt sad. > 4. He scripts seeminly aimlessly on some days, i.e. not to communicate > with us - this varies from day to day which I think (as in the case of > 's son) means it could be a reflection of something physical??? > > I'd love people's comments on any of this. I'm ok with educational type > therapies and how to deal with this on a day to day basis. I'm just > asking about physical/ biomed/ treatment stuff. > > Thanks, > Sara xxx > Hi. I feel as if it is due to anxiety here but am not sure how to handle it. Is it better to join in, ignor or ask him to stop? It can be really intrusive can't it/, but constantly telling him to stop feels very negative. Any thoughts? Thank you. . X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 oh absolutely join., If you can't face joining for some reason, don't tell him to stop. I wouldn't stop him simply because you don't know why he's doing it. If it's a way of coping with anxiety or just a tic, asking him to stop will just increase anxiety/ feelings of being different etc. Has to be acceptance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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