Elvis

[Guest guest]

elvis.com

http://www.elvis.com

Measure wealth not by the things you have, but by the things you have for which

you would not take money. ~Unknown~

An angel's heart sees everything as it really is and accepts it with love.

~ Goldman~

I have many special angels in my life.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/13/05 8:21:13 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> Also, the other night I saw Priscilla Presley on Letterman discussing her

> husband's death, and she claims it was due to a combination of

> pharmaceutical drugs, not illegal drugs, which killed him. Uppers, downers,

>

> pain killers, etc.

>

If you ever saw the list of drugs he was on you'd wonder how he lived as long

as he did. His addiction started with Ritalin, then went to sleeping pills,

downers, and tons and tons of opiates which made him so constipated he had

something like 30 pounds of you know what in his gut! The sheer number of pills

he was taking in a day would've killed a normal person. He was completely out

of it in the end. I saw one of his last concerts and he was a bloated doped

up joke!!!!!

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/13/05 8:21:13 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> Also, the other night I saw Priscilla Presley on Letterman discussing her

> husband's death, and she claims it was due to a combination of

> pharmaceutical drugs, not illegal drugs, which killed him. Uppers, downers,

>

> pain killers, etc.

>

If you ever saw the list of drugs he was on you'd wonder how he lived as long

as he did. His addiction started with Ritalin, then went to sleeping pills,

downers, and tons and tons of opiates which made him so constipated he had

something like 30 pounds of you know what in his gut! The sheer number of pills

he was taking in a day would've killed a normal person. He was completely out

of it in the end. I saw one of his last concerts and he was a bloated doped

up joke!!!!!

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

What I remember from back when Elvis died, his doctor was investigated. I

don't know what happened to him. The news stories were that he was one of a

number of doctors who catered to stars and rich giving them anything and

everything. He didn't have a normal practice - he just wrote out

prescriptions for controlled substances. I remember too that the cause of

death was from all the pills Elvis popped into his mouth but it was not

ruled as intentional suicide.

Re: Elvis

> In a message dated 5/13/05 8:21:13 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

> SSRI medications writes:

>

>

>> Also, the other night I saw Priscilla Presley on Letterman discussing her

>> husband's death, and she claims it was due to a combination of

>> pharmaceutical drugs, not illegal drugs, which killed him. Uppers,

>> downers,

>>

>> pain killers, etc.

>>

> If you ever saw the list of drugs he was on you'd wonder how he lived as

> long

> as he did. His addiction started with Ritalin, then went to sleeping

> pills,

> downers, and tons and tons of opiates which made him so constipated he had

> something like 30 pounds of you know what in his gut! The sheer number of

> pills

> he was taking in a day would've killed a normal person. He was completely

> out

> of it in the end. I saw one of his last concerts and he was a bloated

> doped

> up joke!!!!!

>

>

> " Blind Reason "

> a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

> Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

> Unsafe At Any Dose

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I cannot agree with this point better. I still believe we as a society need

to be educators. As a clinician, I work with so many clients who want the

drugs, they would rather do that than to do soul searching and or

alternatives....yep... perhaps do some real emotional work, gee what a concept!

....and even

after reading the labels, they would rather take a chance with the quick fix,

side effects and possible death rather than feel......Despite that..... Passing

the word, and letting people know they have the power to heal without

chemicals is a great place to begin, and groups like this really do bring about

a

wonderful awareness....... I agree when the demand dries up so will the

pharma's,

meanwhile, we live in a quick fix society, so I doubt I will see it in my

time.....

As far as Elvis, he was not a victim. Before I got my degrees and a real job

in a real life, I toured in a rock and roll band for many many years. Drugs

really were part of the scene back then. I needed something for stage, something

to come down, something to get up, Cool thing was Dr's were more than willing

to write out the script, and then the other drugs like cocaine and what nots

were easy to get from you fans or following..........I knew what I was doing,

and I also knew when to check in and finally get sober, I believe so did

Elvis.....he knew what he was doing and should have taken full responsibility

for

his behaviors.......ahhhhh but you know the addict, never our fault, always

someone else's..........

Tyler

[Guest guest]

I cannot agree with this point better. I still believe we as a society need

to be educators. As a clinician, I work with so many clients who want the

drugs, they would rather do that than to do soul searching and or

alternatives....yep... perhaps do some real emotional work, gee what a concept!

....and even

after reading the labels, they would rather take a chance with the quick fix,

side effects and possible death rather than feel......Despite that..... Passing

the word, and letting people know they have the power to heal without

chemicals is a great place to begin, and groups like this really do bring about

a

wonderful awareness....... I agree when the demand dries up so will the

pharma's,

meanwhile, we live in a quick fix society, so I doubt I will see it in my

time.....

As far as Elvis, he was not a victim. Before I got my degrees and a real job

in a real life, I toured in a rock and roll band for many many years. Drugs

really were part of the scene back then. I needed something for stage, something

to come down, something to get up, Cool thing was Dr's were more than willing

to write out the script, and then the other drugs like cocaine and what nots

were easy to get from you fans or following..........I knew what I was doing,

and I also knew when to check in and finally get sober, I believe so did

Elvis.....he knew what he was doing and should have taken full responsibility

for

his behaviors.......ahhhhh but you know the addict, never our fault, always

someone else's..........

Tyler

[Guest guest]

I cannot agree with this point better. I still believe we as a society need

to be educators. As a clinician, I work with so many clients who want the

drugs, they would rather do that than to do soul searching and or

alternatives....yep... perhaps do some real emotional work, gee what a concept!

....and even

after reading the labels, they would rather take a chance with the quick fix,

side effects and possible death rather than feel......Despite that..... Passing

the word, and letting people know they have the power to heal without

chemicals is a great place to begin, and groups like this really do bring about

a

wonderful awareness....... I agree when the demand dries up so will the

pharma's,

meanwhile, we live in a quick fix society, so I doubt I will see it in my

time.....

As far as Elvis, he was not a victim. Before I got my degrees and a real job

in a real life, I toured in a rock and roll band for many many years. Drugs

really were part of the scene back then. I needed something for stage, something

to come down, something to get up, Cool thing was Dr's were more than willing

to write out the script, and then the other drugs like cocaine and what nots

were easy to get from you fans or following..........I knew what I was doing,

and I also knew when to check in and finally get sober, I believe so did

Elvis.....he knew what he was doing and should have taken full responsibility

for

his behaviors.......ahhhhh but you know the addict, never our fault, always

someone else's..........

Tyler

[Guest guest]

I cannot agree with this point better. I still believe we as a society need

to be educators. As a clinician, I work with so many clients who want the

drugs, they would rather do that than to do soul searching and or

alternatives....yep... perhaps do some real emotional work, gee what a concept!

....and even

after reading the labels, they would rather take a chance with the quick fix,

side effects and possible death rather than feel......Despite that..... Passing

the word, and letting people know they have the power to heal without

chemicals is a great place to begin, and groups like this really do bring about

a

wonderful awareness....... I agree when the demand dries up so will the

pharma's,

meanwhile, we live in a quick fix society, so I doubt I will see it in my

time.....

As far as Elvis, he was not a victim. Before I got my degrees and a real job

in a real life, I toured in a rock and roll band for many many years. Drugs

really were part of the scene back then. I needed something for stage, something

to come down, something to get up, Cool thing was Dr's were more than willing

to write out the script, and then the other drugs like cocaine and what nots

were easy to get from you fans or following..........I knew what I was doing,

and I also knew when to check in and finally get sober, I believe so did

Elvis.....he knew what he was doing and should have taken full responsibility

for

his behaviors.......ahhhhh but you know the addict, never our fault, always

someone else's..........

Tyler

[Guest guest]

Yes, the real question is: was he a victim of psychotropic chemical

side effects?

[Guest guest]

Elvis, a really nice and kind person from all who knew him was poisoned to

death. I don't know the details of the drugs or the side effects but they

were mostly psychiatric type drugs. Most (if not all) pills that are street

drugs were psychiatric drugs first.

Yes, the real question is: was he a victim of psychotropic chemical

side effects?

[Guest guest]

Elvis, a really nice and kind person from all who knew him was poisoned to

death. I don't know the details of the drugs or the side effects but they

were mostly psychiatric type drugs. Most (if not all) pills that are street

drugs were psychiatric drugs first.

Yes, the real question is: was he a victim of psychotropic chemical

side effects?

[Guest guest]

The issue comes down to whether we are sheep or self responsible for what we

put in our mouths. People have unrealistic expectations of their doctors.

They want an easy fix (pill) to whatever ails them. I see it on these

boards all the time with perscriptions and with supplements. Go back to the

hearings at the FDA over these drugs. There were all these many protesting

but there were also all those many who want the drugs.

Bottom line is that there is supply only when there is demand. And when the

demand dries up, so will the companies supplying such garbage.

Re: Re: Elvis

> Elvis, a really nice and kind person from all who knew him was poisoned to

> death. I don't know the details of the drugs or the side effects but they

> were mostly psychiatric type drugs. Most (if not all) pills that are

> street

> drugs were psychiatric drugs first.

>

>

>

> Yes, the real question is: was he a victim of psychotropic chemical

> side effects?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The issue comes down to whether we are sheep or self responsible for what we

put in our mouths. People have unrealistic expectations of their doctors.

They want an easy fix (pill) to whatever ails them. I see it on these

boards all the time with perscriptions and with supplements. Go back to the

hearings at the FDA over these drugs. There were all these many protesting

but there were also all those many who want the drugs.

Bottom line is that there is supply only when there is demand. And when the

demand dries up, so will the companies supplying such garbage.

Re: Re: Elvis

> Elvis, a really nice and kind person from all who knew him was poisoned to

> death. I don't know the details of the drugs or the side effects but they

> were mostly psychiatric type drugs. Most (if not all) pills that are

> street

> drugs were psychiatric drugs first.

>

>

>

> Yes, the real question is: was he a victim of psychotropic chemical

> side effects?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The issue comes down to whether we are sheep or self responsible for what we

put in our mouths. People have unrealistic expectations of their doctors.

They want an easy fix (pill) to whatever ails them. I see it on these

boards all the time with perscriptions and with supplements. Go back to the

hearings at the FDA over these drugs. There were all these many protesting

but there were also all those many who want the drugs.

Bottom line is that there is supply only when there is demand. And when the

demand dries up, so will the companies supplying such garbage.

Re: Re: Elvis

> Elvis, a really nice and kind person from all who knew him was poisoned to

> death. I don't know the details of the drugs or the side effects but they

> were mostly psychiatric type drugs. Most (if not all) pills that are

> street

> drugs were psychiatric drugs first.

>

>

>

> Yes, the real question is: was he a victim of psychotropic chemical

> side effects?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The issue comes down to whether we are sheep or self responsible for what we

put in our mouths. People have unrealistic expectations of their doctors.

They want an easy fix (pill) to whatever ails them. I see it on these

boards all the time with perscriptions and with supplements. Go back to the

hearings at the FDA over these drugs. There were all these many protesting

but there were also all those many who want the drugs.

Bottom line is that there is supply only when there is demand. And when the

demand dries up, so will the companies supplying such garbage.

Re: Re: Elvis

> Elvis, a really nice and kind person from all who knew him was poisoned to

> death. I don't know the details of the drugs or the side effects but they

> were mostly psychiatric type drugs. Most (if not all) pills that are

> street

> drugs were psychiatric drugs first.

>

>

>

> Yes, the real question is: was he a victim of psychotropic chemical

> side effects?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I like your thinking. It really does get down to personal responsibilty.

I think people just don't know or can't believe that it can go so terribly

wrong blindly trusting the medical industry.

Jim

The issue comes down to whether we are sheep or self responsible for what we

put in our mouths. People have unrealistic expectations of their doctors.

They want an easy fix (pill) to whatever ails them. I see it on these

boards all the time with perscriptions and with supplements. Go back to the

hearings at the FDA over these drugs. There were all these many protesting

but there were also all those many who want the drugs.

Bottom line is that there is supply only when there is demand. And when the

demand dries up, so will the companies supplying such garbage.

Re: Re: Elvis

> Elvis, a really nice and kind person from all who knew him was poisoned to

> death. I don't know the details of the drugs or the side effects but they

> were mostly psychiatric type drugs. Most (if not all) pills that are

> street

> drugs were psychiatric drugs first.

>

>

>

> Yes, the real question is: was he a victim of psychotropic chemical

> side effects?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I like your thinking. It really does get down to personal responsibilty.

I think people just don't know or can't believe that it can go so terribly

wrong blindly trusting the medical industry.

Jim

The issue comes down to whether we are sheep or self responsible for what we

put in our mouths. People have unrealistic expectations of their doctors.

They want an easy fix (pill) to whatever ails them. I see it on these

boards all the time with perscriptions and with supplements. Go back to the

hearings at the FDA over these drugs. There were all these many protesting

but there were also all those many who want the drugs.

Bottom line is that there is supply only when there is demand. And when the

demand dries up, so will the companies supplying such garbage.

Re: Re: Elvis

> Elvis, a really nice and kind person from all who knew him was poisoned to

> death. I don't know the details of the drugs or the side effects but they

> were mostly psychiatric type drugs. Most (if not all) pills that are

> street

> drugs were psychiatric drugs first.

>

>

>

> Yes, the real question is: was he a victim of psychotropic chemical

> side effects?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I like your thinking. It really does get down to personal responsibilty.

I think people just don't know or can't believe that it can go so terribly

wrong blindly trusting the medical industry.

Jim

The issue comes down to whether we are sheep or self responsible for what we

put in our mouths. People have unrealistic expectations of their doctors.

They want an easy fix (pill) to whatever ails them. I see it on these

boards all the time with perscriptions and with supplements. Go back to the

hearings at the FDA over these drugs. There were all these many protesting

but there were also all those many who want the drugs.

Bottom line is that there is supply only when there is demand. And when the

demand dries up, so will the companies supplying such garbage.

Re: Re: Elvis

> Elvis, a really nice and kind person from all who knew him was poisoned to

> death. I don't know the details of the drugs or the side effects but they

> were mostly psychiatric type drugs. Most (if not all) pills that are

> street

> drugs were psychiatric drugs first.

>

>

>

> Yes, the real question is: was he a victim of psychotropic chemical

> side effects?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I like your thinking. It really does get down to personal responsibilty.

I think people just don't know or can't believe that it can go so terribly

wrong blindly trusting the medical industry.

Jim

The issue comes down to whether we are sheep or self responsible for what we

put in our mouths. People have unrealistic expectations of their doctors.

They want an easy fix (pill) to whatever ails them. I see it on these

boards all the time with perscriptions and with supplements. Go back to the

hearings at the FDA over these drugs. There were all these many protesting

but there were also all those many who want the drugs.

Bottom line is that there is supply only when there is demand. And when the

demand dries up, so will the companies supplying such garbage.

Re: Re: Elvis

> Elvis, a really nice and kind person from all who knew him was poisoned to

> death. I don't know the details of the drugs or the side effects but they

> were mostly psychiatric type drugs. Most (if not all) pills that are

> street

> drugs were psychiatric drugs first.

>

>

>

> Yes, the real question is: was he a victim of psychotropic chemical

> side effects?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm really getting tired of being told it was my responsibility to

see to it that I wasn't harmed by the drugs presribed to me by my

doctor. Every doctor I went to wanted to give me a quick fix pill.

When I objected and said I were prefer to find out what the problem

was first, I was informed that this was standard procedure, that this

was how they treated patients. I complained constantly about them

treating symptoms instead of finding the cause. I wasn't the expert,

they were. I'm not a doctor because I don't want to be a doctor. I

have no interest in this area. But I have had to learn anyway because

I now know I can't trust the experts. If this is going to be the

case, why do we even have doctors.

> The issue comes down to whether we are sheep or self responsible

for what we

> put in our mouths. People have unrealistic expectations of their

doctors.

> They want an easy fix (pill) to whatever ails them. I see it on

these

> boards all the time with perscriptions and with supplements. Go

back to the

> hearings at the FDA over these drugs. There were all these many

protesting

> but there were also all those many who want the drugs.

>

> Bottom line is that there is supply only when there is demand. And

when the

> demand dries up, so will the companies supplying such garbage.

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: Re: Elvis

>

>

> > Elvis, a really nice and kind person from all who knew him was

poisoned to

> > death. I don't know the details of the drugs or the side effects

but they

> > were mostly psychiatric type drugs. Most (if not all) pills that

are

> > street

> > drugs were psychiatric drugs first.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, the real question is: was he a victim of psychotropic

chemical

> > side effects?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm really getting tired of being told it was my responsibility to

see to it that I wasn't harmed by the drugs presribed to me by my

doctor. Every doctor I went to wanted to give me a quick fix pill.

When I objected and said I were prefer to find out what the problem

was first, I was informed that this was standard procedure, that this

was how they treated patients. I complained constantly about them

treating symptoms instead of finding the cause. I wasn't the expert,

they were. I'm not a doctor because I don't want to be a doctor. I

have no interest in this area. But I have had to learn anyway because

I now know I can't trust the experts. If this is going to be the

case, why do we even have doctors.

> The issue comes down to whether we are sheep or self responsible

for what we

> put in our mouths. People have unrealistic expectations of their

doctors.

> They want an easy fix (pill) to whatever ails them. I see it on

these

> boards all the time with perscriptions and with supplements. Go

back to the

> hearings at the FDA over these drugs. There were all these many

protesting

> but there were also all those many who want the drugs.

>

> Bottom line is that there is supply only when there is demand. And

when the

> demand dries up, so will the companies supplying such garbage.

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: Re: Elvis

>

>

> > Elvis, a really nice and kind person from all who knew him was

poisoned to

> > death. I don't know the details of the drugs or the side effects

but they

> > were mostly psychiatric type drugs. Most (if not all) pills that

are

> > street

> > drugs were psychiatric drugs first.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, the real question is: was he a victim of psychotropic

chemical

> > side effects?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm really getting tired of being told it was my responsibility to

see to it that I wasn't harmed by the drugs presribed to me by my

doctor. Every doctor I went to wanted to give me a quick fix pill.

When I objected and said I were prefer to find out what the problem

was first, I was informed that this was standard procedure, that this

was how they treated patients. I complained constantly about them

treating symptoms instead of finding the cause. I wasn't the expert,

they were. I'm not a doctor because I don't want to be a doctor. I

have no interest in this area. But I have had to learn anyway because

I now know I can't trust the experts. If this is going to be the

case, why do we even have doctors.

> The issue comes down to whether we are sheep or self responsible

for what we

> put in our mouths. People have unrealistic expectations of their

doctors.

> They want an easy fix (pill) to whatever ails them. I see it on

these

> boards all the time with perscriptions and with supplements. Go

back to the

> hearings at the FDA over these drugs. There were all these many

protesting

> but there were also all those many who want the drugs.

>

> Bottom line is that there is supply only when there is demand. And

when the

> demand dries up, so will the companies supplying such garbage.

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: Re: Elvis

>

>

> > Elvis, a really nice and kind person from all who knew him was

poisoned to

> > death. I don't know the details of the drugs or the side effects

but they

> > were mostly psychiatric type drugs. Most (if not all) pills that

are

> > street

> > drugs were psychiatric drugs first.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, the real question is: was he a victim of psychotropic

chemical

> > side effects?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm really getting tired of being told it was my responsibility to

see to it that I wasn't harmed by the drugs presribed to me by my

doctor. Every doctor I went to wanted to give me a quick fix pill.

When I objected and said I were prefer to find out what the problem

was first, I was informed that this was standard procedure, that this

was how they treated patients. I complained constantly about them

treating symptoms instead of finding the cause. I wasn't the expert,

they were. I'm not a doctor because I don't want to be a doctor. I

have no interest in this area. But I have had to learn anyway because

I now know I can't trust the experts. If this is going to be the

case, why do we even have doctors.

> The issue comes down to whether we are sheep or self responsible

for what we

> put in our mouths. People have unrealistic expectations of their

doctors.

> They want an easy fix (pill) to whatever ails them. I see it on

these

> boards all the time with perscriptions and with supplements. Go

back to the

> hearings at the FDA over these drugs. There were all these many

protesting

> but there were also all those many who want the drugs.

>

> Bottom line is that there is supply only when there is demand. And

when the

> demand dries up, so will the companies supplying such garbage.

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: Re: Elvis

>

>

> > Elvis, a really nice and kind person from all who knew him was

poisoned to

> > death. I don't know the details of the drugs or the side effects

but they

> > were mostly psychiatric type drugs. Most (if not all) pills that

are

> > street

> > drugs were psychiatric drugs first.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, the real question is: was he a victim of psychotropic

chemical

> > side effects?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well, i'm a big fan of Elvis, even if he is dead. His

voice was to die for and he reminded me a lot of my

dad. Elvis had the biggest heart. Unlike most of the

snobs who were greedy with their fortunes. He was also

in the army where they tend to give lot's of

vaccinations. Could he have been a victim like my son?

Could the vaccinations have caused OCD or something

worse and then he self medicated? Maybe. Was it the

stress in combination with the vaccines and his life

style? Who knows! Some people are biochemically

balanced enough to pull it together. Some are not.

Addiction *IS* a disease (however it started), just

like cancer and should be seen as such. As pathetic as

the disease can be, addicts are very sick people and

should be seen as sick. How arrogant can we be, to

think that all of us can or should just snap out of a

disease like addiction? Especially when we have so

much setting us up to fail like mercury, alumunium and

all the other trash they are putting into our

vaccines, our food, our water and our air. Our battles

are not with Elvis, they are with this mean spirited

system of things. And our *ONLY* hope is with God's

system that will replace this one.

Connie

(Revelation 21:2-4) . . .. 3 With that I heard a loud

voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is

with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they

will be his peoples. And God himself will be with

them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their

eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning

nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have

passed away.”

[Guest guest]

Well, i'm a big fan of Elvis, even if he is dead. His

voice was to die for and he reminded me a lot of my

dad. Elvis had the biggest heart. Unlike most of the

snobs who were greedy with their fortunes. He was also

in the army where they tend to give lot's of

vaccinations. Could he have been a victim like my son?

Could the vaccinations have caused OCD or something

worse and then he self medicated? Maybe. Was it the

stress in combination with the vaccines and his life

style? Who knows! Some people are biochemically

balanced enough to pull it together. Some are not.

Addiction *IS* a disease (however it started), just

like cancer and should be seen as such. As pathetic as

the disease can be, addicts are very sick people and

should be seen as sick. How arrogant can we be, to

think that all of us can or should just snap out of a

disease like addiction? Especially when we have so

much setting us up to fail like mercury, alumunium and

all the other trash they are putting into our

vaccines, our food, our water and our air. Our battles

are not with Elvis, they are with this mean spirited

system of things. And our *ONLY* hope is with God's

system that will replace this one.

Connie

(Revelation 21:2-4) . . .. 3 With that I heard a loud

voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is

with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they

will be his peoples. And God himself will be with

them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their

eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning

nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have

passed away.”