Re: Treating spectrum kids differently...

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> Louise Gainor danced around singing:

> >I wonder if that's an Aspie thing? Even when my dad was screaming

> >at me that I was useless and stupid, and my brothers telling me

> >that I was ugly and stupid, and my sisters telling me I was just

> >stupid, I never internalized any of it.

> Nope, not an AS thing at all. To the contrary, a fairly common aspect of

> autism is the inability to distinguish instinctively between

> truth/falsehood, regardless of the reason/method that the message is

> relayed. I believe it's supposed to be a subset of the Theory Of Mind

> issues, iirc. In any event, serious depression is extremely common among

> people on the spectrum largely because of the verbal/emotional abuse we

> sustain on top of all the physical mistreatment.

Then it could very well be *one possible* autistic thing. It seems

actually that *most* autistic people resist at least some messages from

those around them that non-autistic people absorb. This doesn't

preclude absorbing some of them obviously, but different people seem

oblivious to different things.

Some autistic people are oblivious to the content of verbal abuse (as a

result of being autistic), some overabsorb it (as a result of being

autistic), and some know it's illogical and discard it (as a result of

being autistic). Sort of like hypersensitivity versus hyposensitivity

to the emotions of others.

--

It is the great triumph of compulsory government monopoly mass-schooling

that among even the best of my fellow teachers, and among even the best

of my students' parents, only a small number can imagine a different way

to do things. " Gatto

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danced around singing:

>Some autistic people are oblivious to the content of verbal abuse (as a

>result of being autistic), some overabsorb it (as a result of being

>autistic), and some know it's illogical and discard it (as a result of

>being autistic). Sort of like hypersensitivity versus hyposensitivity

>to the emotions of others.

I was thinking about this after posting my comment. When it comes to

things that are obviously untrue on a logical level, those things are the

ones I can sort out and discard as ridiculous. For example, if a parent

were to shout at me that I'm " stupid " or " ugly " I'd have very little

reaction, because all of the facts about reality tell me

otherwise. However, if the same person were to shout an opinion such as

" you deserve to be hit " or " you're a useless leech on society " I have no

factual basis to refute the claim, only my own beliefs -- and thus I am

likely to internalize at least a bit of the abuse.

DeGraf ~*~ http://www.sonic.net/mustang/moggy

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That’s it. It was illogical. I knew I was not stupid or useless

or ugly.

Louis

From:

> Louise Gainor danced around singing:

> >I wonder if that's an Aspie thing? Even when my dad was

screaming

> >at me that I was useless and stupid, and my brothers telling

me

> >that I was ugly and stupid, and my sisters telling me I was

just

> >stupid, I never internalized any of it.

Some autistic people are oblivious to the content of verbal abuse

(as a

result of being autistic), some overabsorb it (as a result of

being

autistic), and some know it's illogical and discard it (as a

result of

being autistic). Sort of like hypersensitivity versus

hyposensitivity

to the emotions of others.

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wrote:

>Some autistic people are oblivious to the content of verbal abuse (as a

>result of being autistic), some overabsorb it (as a result of being

>autistic), and some know it's illogical and discard it (as a result of

>being autistic). Sort of like hypersensitivity versus hyposensitivity

>to the emotions of others.

I seem to have been oblivious until 7th grade. My

classmates made very little impression on me at

all, and I certainly didn't realize they were

making fun of me (if they were). Until 7th grade.

At that point, I began to be able to perceive them

and their rejection of me. I still didn't care

much about it, though I did find it annoying and

silly and decided to get away from it. That's when

I announced to my mother that I wasn't going to

go to school any more. Luckily, she was willing

and able to find a school I could tolerate.

Oh, and it wasn't my classmates only. In 7th

grade I became aware that some adults (in that

case, teachers) were foolish and unreliable.

Not people with whom I was willing to associate.

;-)

Jane