Re: another heavy dose of funny truth

[Guest guest]

I don't find ANY of what you're posting funny. All it seems like to me is

a bunch of feminine-hating backwards rhetoric designed to make men that

can't get dates feel better about themselves. Note I say feminine-hating,

*not* woman-hating -- it demeans men that are naturally more femme too, by

suggesting that they're only that way because they were

forced/coerced/brainwashed into it.

It also reminds me of the kind of crap that my ex used to snarl at me

whenever I acted like myself rather than like a clone of his spineless

slave of a mother. She was *not* happy acting that way: she had talents &

dreams of using them, but her husband was an emotionally abusive SOB, and

she felt that giving up what *she* wanted was just how things were supposed

to be. Big surprise, her son turned out to be an abusive SOB too, that

expected me to give up everything to be his slave just like his mom was to

his dad.

I'm in a relationship with a man I can actually respect now. Yeah, he is

openly emotional, he loves romantic stuff as well as Riverdance, is totally

non-aggressive, dislikes contact ball sports (football here in the USA),

enjoys scented candles, and has been accused repeatedly of being gay for a

variety of reasons. However, he's the strongest-willed, most courageous

fellow I've met, and that is why he has been able to remain himself despite

so many people telling him to go against his nature in order to be more

stereotypically male.

DeGraf ~*~ http://sonic.net/mustang/moggy

Proud HFA age 26 with a Proud AS partner age 35

[Guest guest]

--- gareth wrote:

> >

> >

> If fact, tag is a leading cause of death in

> children, ranking just

> behind meteor strikes.

>

> There is a totalitarian strain in the female psyche.

> It isn't evil,

> at least not in intention. Quite the oppposite -- in

> intention. Women

> as a sex want to impose security, stability, and

> conventionality, at

> all costs, on everything. They want a tyranny of the

> safe and

> comfortable.

-----It's just an up to date version of the Ladies'

Temperance Society, spilling over into a Brave New

World....

>

>

> So tag is all right in a group, where it can be

> supervised, and

> numbingly safe, and controlled, and impart

> Appropriate Values. Here

> is what is really wanted: Control, control, control.

> Don't let kids

> play whatever the hell they want to, and be kids.

> No. We must have a

> group activity. Don't let them play Cowboys and

> Indians. We must

> control how they think about gender and aboriginals.

> No dodgeball:

> It's competitive, and we must control such an

> antisocial drive.

> Forget tag: We must controls such violence. The

> schools now seem to

> be branch offices of North Korea.

----HA! Pretty funny

>

> And finally the story mentions the school's

> " no-touching " policy, and

> the county's rules on sexual harassment. In grade

> school. Always it

> is there: The twisted prissy Puritanism, obsessed by

> the fear of sex,

> yet determined to discover salaciousness everywhere.

> I think of the

> spinster afraid that there might be a man hiding

> under her bed, and

> equally afraid that there might not be. A profound

> anxiety underlies

> the fear of almost everything: sex, childhood games,

> winning and

> losing, physical contact, everything.

>

------Good essay, pretty funny, and this last

paragraph I agree with completely.

Are you sure you haven't read Camille Paglia's

essays?

Nanne

(something wrong with PC so not able to answer/read

all email currently....)

=====

" Let's go get drunk on light again---it has the power to console. " --

Seurat

[Guest guest]

> >

> ------Good essay, pretty funny, and this last

> paragraph I agree with completely.

> Are you sure you haven't read Camille Paglia's

> essays?

>

> Nanne

>

I havnt read them, no. I must go on a google hunt for them if they

are as good as what i quoted.

Gareth.

[Guest guest]

--- gareth wrote:

> > >

> > ------Good essay, pretty funny, and this last

> > paragraph I agree with completely.

> > Are you sure you haven't read Camille

> Paglia's

> > essays?

> >

> > Nanne

> >

>

>

> I havnt read them, no. I must go on a google hunt

> for them if they

> are as good as what i quoted.

>

> Gareth.

>

-------It's actually better, as she puts things into a

vast historical perspective. Go to the library and

check out " Sex, Art, and American Culture " , and " Vamps

and Tramps " . If you have more time, read her

literary tome " Sexual Personae: Art and Decadence from

Nefertiti to Dickinson. " She's brilliant.

Nanne

=====

" Let's go get drunk on light again---it has the power to console. " --

Seurat

[Guest guest]

My definition: “Ladies” wear white dresses and are afraid to get

dirt on themselves. Therefore, I do not qualify.

I loved the rest of this, BTW. LMAO!

Louis

From: gareth

Now, why do these ladies have their innards in an uproar over

tag?

Because they are ladies.

[Guest guest]

I agree. It was stereotype to the extreme. My definition of humor

has always been tragedy in the extreme, so it made me laugh. We

all know it was a joke, even if in bad taste. ‘Course we Aspies

love odd humor anyhow!

Louis

Re: another heavy dose of funny

truth

I didn't look through the entire site, but it

seemed the jist of what he was about/trying to portray

was a kind of world-weary humour, and not sure if I'd

say there was hatred there. And thereare other writers

who do it better. And, I imagine in terms of some of

the topics of late (on list)there may be a generation

gap in terms of some perspectives. Some things I used

to be more 'sensitive' about, but after life has

knocked you for a loop more than a few times I tend to

appreciate gritty realism a lot more.

Nanne

[Guest guest]

> My definition: " Ladies " wear white dresses and are afraid to get

> dirt on themselves. Therefore, I do not qualify.

>

> I loved the rest of this, BTW. LMAO!

>

> Louis

>

> From: gareth [mailto:gtlee1000@a...]

> Now, why do these ladies have their innards in an uproar over

> tag?

> Because they are ladies.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

gareth danced around singing:

>Yay!! i feel wanted again. I think this deserves another brew and a

>cigarrette!

I think it's rather sad, that the only way you feel " wanted " is when you

have pushed people to feel animosity for others. Personally, I would

rather feel wanted for helping others feel better about themselves, but I

guess some people just aren't that nice. *shrug*

[Guest guest]

> I agree. It was stereotype to the extreme. My definition of humor

> has always been tragedy in the extreme, so it made me laugh. We

> all know it was a joke, even if in bad taste. `Course we Aspies

> love odd humor anyhow!

>

> Louis

>

> Re: another heavy dose of funny

> truth

>

> I didn't look through the entire site, but it

> seemed the jist of what he was about/trying to portray

> was a kind of world-weary humour, and not sure if I'd

> say there was hatred there. And thereare other writers

> who do it better. And, I imagine in terms of some of

> the topics of late (on list)there may be a generation

> gap in terms of some perspectives. Some things I used

> to be more 'sensitive' about, but after life has

> knocked you for a loop more than a few times I tend to

> appreciate gritty realism a lot more.

>

> Nanne

>

*********

As old Fred may say, theres no point getting your knikers in a twist,

if the dress wont fit - Its just not your dress!

Im saying how i feel, hopefully pointing out some of the other side

to folks in a oneside environment- and hey, im laughing at times, too.

Oh, as Fred isnt full of hate, dont be so dramatic.

Gareth

[Guest guest]

> gareth danced around singing:

> >Yay!! i feel wanted again. I think this deserves another brew and a

> >cigarrette!

>

> I think it's rather sad, that the only way you feel " wanted " is

when you

> have pushed people to feel animosity for others. Personally, I

would

> rather feel wanted for helping others feel better about themselves,

but I

> guess some people just aren't that nice. *shrug*

*********

I think you need to go and do some long research into humour, and

seriously think where you are lacking in such regards (sic)

Look, it was a freindly comment exchange, if you will.

Quite seriously now, I actually feel wanted because i have said how i

feel almost to the limit of my communication abilities, and am quite

glad that somebody liked my input enough to say so. Ive been butting

heads with Jeannette for some time now, and with all the best will in

the world, it takes it out of me, it does.

For somebody to actually appreciate HUMOUR in one of my posts is

quite wonderfull.

Gareth.

[Guest guest]

--- Miko715@... wrote:

> >

> Do you know when you can smell when someone is

> predatory, yes? or if

> someone's breathing and heart rate changes and you

> realize you've upset someone but

> know not what it was you said or did that set this

> off?

------I don't have the ability to smell predators, no;

and I can't tell if I've upset someone unless they

yell or tell me, usually....

or when you can smell

> when a woman is dying of cancer, that rotting smell

> coming from her sweat? and

> her heart beats rapid like a bird almost and you can

> feel her panic, yes, you

> can taste her fear, choking and making the air dense

> around her, yes. And you

> can tell that she is going to die because from her

> sweat you realize it is too

> far gone?

------Yes, my mom died of colon cancer, long and drawn

out suffering, and I know that smell....

>

> It is like so, whether it is from Fred or Gareth I

> know not. Nicollete did

> read posts and hands over her eyes she did so, then

> hands over her ears she did

> so, she balled up a fist placed on her side,

> (cancer), yes, she makes scissor

> movements to the balled up hand. (cut out the

> cancer). She points to computer,

> yes.

-------How old did you say your daughter was? For

some reason it was in my mind she 10? Maybe some

lists she shouldn't be reading if it's made up more of

adults?

>

> It was written by Fred but posted by Gareth, so if

> she not meant Fred then

> she meant Gareth, yes. and that makes sense as we

> had broken up on July 27, 2003

> he may still be bitter about it all, yes. as he

> didn't post in this group

> until then anyhow, also he hates , and this is

> 's group. I ask her. she

> nods, Yes, she makes face and spits. Yes, he is

> still angered and bitter,

> according to Nicollette, yes.

------Have no idea of this background, but it might be

a good idea to not have your daughter be reading some

lists where there still may be tension? Just a

thought....

>

> Nicollette may be autistic and physically disabled

> but she is never wrong in

> her advice to me, yes. I will do as she tells me and

> remove myself from all

> the lists. it is mine only sanctuary from the world,

> the little places online

> where I can be me and accepted as such, enough in

> the world I need to deal with

> and this is usually mine only safety zone.

>

> She is now making chopping movements to her arm, she

> is telling me best cut

> off limb, to get rid of the disease, yes. She nods

> her head in affirmation,

> now, yes.

>

> all lists? i ask

>

> She nods her head. But shakes it then one finger she

> puts up. all lists but

> one, yes. I think the one where we are wanting to

> use FC. this one I will

> remain.

>

> she balls her fists and makes knot motion.

>

> I know not what she means by that, no.

>

> I will remove mineself from the lists now, yes.

> Good-bye to all, Nicollette

> may only be six and autistic but she knows about

> certain things and if this is

> what she wants me to do, then I will do so, yes.

>

> Juli, ASD, mother to Nicollette Rett Syndrome with

> autism

>

> --------Juli, I'm sorry you're leaving, but I'd have

to say I think it's your job as a parent to not be

involving your six your old child in some areas of

adult conversation that are byond her grasp. Parents

have to protect their children. There are topics

here on some of the adult-focused AS lists that

naturally would be upsetting to a child. It is not

really fair , to her, to expose her to a lot of these

things.

I apologize if that sounds harsh, I only mean

it as bluntly, and to encourage you to think about

this........ if you're still reading here.

Take care,

Nanne

>

>

> And there are other writers

> > who do it better. And, I imagine in terms of some

> of

> > the topics of late (on list)there may be a

> generation

> > gap in terms of some perspectives. Some things I

> used

> > to be more 'sensitive' about, but after life has

> > knocked you for a loop more than a few times I

> tend to

> > appreciate gritty realism a lot more.

> >

> > Nanne

> >

> >

> > --- doublemom4 <Miko715@a...> wrote:

> > >> >

> > > >

> > > it's sad when peoples have a choice to either be

> > > happy or be

> > > miserable and wanting to spread the misery

> > > everywhere, this Fred

> > > seems to be really full of misery and anger and

> > > hatred, it just

> > > emanuates from the posts, yes. but the best

> thing

> > > we can do, and

> > > thankfully we can do it, is walk away. so, nice

> > > efforts Jeannette,

> > > but you can't argue against hatred, it just sits

> > > there eating up

> > > peoples, and so the best thing you can do, as

> you'll

> > > not be heard

> > > anyway is walk away from this one, yes. just hit

> > > delete button, yes.

> > > let the person wallow up in their own self pity

> and

> > > loathing, no one

> > > needs to be bothered by anything Fred says. you

> > > don't argue with

> > > cancer, no, you cut it from your body, yes, and

> be

> > > done with it.

> > > this is just pure hatred and malice talking, so

> best

> > > to give it no

> > > attenition, no.

> > >

> > > life is full of beauty and good peoples and we

> are

> > > all just trying

> > > our best, yes, but wasting time on weak minded

> > > hating peoples is so

> > > draining and unnecassary, be thankful of

> yourself

> > > and the things you

> > > do, be pleased in your efforts, if other peoples

> > > choose hatred and

> > > misery that is their choice, Fred is sadly in a

> > > pathetic state and is

> > > to be pitied... unfortunately i feel pity to be

> > > wasted here and

> > > better spent elsewhere, yes, so best just

> ignore,

> > > good luck Jeanette,

> > > nice response you wrote anyway...

> > >

> > > Juli, ASD, mother to Nicollete, Rett Syndrome

> and

> > > autism

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

Sorry to see you go... we will miss you.

Jeanette

Re: another heavy dose of funny truth

> >> >

> > >

> > it's sad when peoples have a choice to either be

> > happy or be

> > miserable and wanting to spread the misery

> > everywhere, this Fred

> > seems to be really full of misery and anger and

> > hatred, it just

> > emanuates from the posts, yes. but the best thing

> > we can do, and

> > thankfully we can do it, is walk away. so, nice

> > efforts Jeannette,

> > but you can't argue against hatred, it just sits

> > there eating up

> > peoples, and so the best thing you can do, as you'll

> > not be heard

> > anyway is walk away from this one, yes. just hit

> > delete button, yes.

> > let the person wallow up in their own self pity and

> > loathing, no one

> > needs to be bothered by anything Fred says. you

> > don't argue with

> > cancer, no, you cut it from your body, yes, and be

> > done with it.

> > this is just pure hatred and malice talking, so best

> > to give it no

> > attenition, no.

> >

> > life is full of beauty and good peoples and we are

> > all just trying

> > our best, yes, but wasting time on weak minded

> > hating peoples is so

> > draining and unnecassary, be thankful of yourself

> > and the things you

> > do, be pleased in your efforts, if other peoples

> > choose hatred and

> > misery that is their choice, Fred is sadly in a

> > pathetic state and is

> > to be pitied... unfortunately i feel pity to be

> > wasted here and

> > better spent elsewhere, yes, so best just ignore,

> > good luck Jeanette,

> > nice response you wrote anyway...

> >

> > Juli, ASD, mother to Nicollete, Rett Syndrome and

> > autism

> >

> >

> >