Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 In a message dated 8/13/2003 12:15:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jane@... writes: > We cannot know what life experiences are behind > anyone's behavior. What we CAN hold people to is > the obligation to refrain from violence or coercion, > no matter what the provocation they believe they > are subjected to. > > If you walk away from the cash machine counting a > big roll of bills and I am hungry, I still have no > right to take your money. > this was like an experience i had where i handed over two one hundred dollar bills for a two dollar toy. i got confused with the whole $100's looking because of the $1.00 yes, so i just thought the $100. was $1.00 and made that error, yes. so although i made that error it wasn't right for that person to take advantage and take the 2 $100.00 bills without a word, knowing i made that error, yes. Strangely when I discovered mine error I thought I was not so dumb as the first thought that came in mine mind was that the other person made same error as well confusing the monies, yes. But I was later told that was not at all likely that the person took the money realizing I was confused and took advantage of mine confusion to make out with $198.00. But that is the world we live in, yes. But what to do? except make the best of it. I've more often than not, come across bad peoples, two many bitter peoples, and way to many weak peoples. but in spite of it all I have met good decent strong peoples, yes. So there is still hope for this world, yes. I wonder why peoples do the things they do, yes. And wonder if someone is broken seeming what it was that broke them. what happened to their self-respect? I saw Jerry Springier this morning and I wonder if these peoples are real, and why they seem to all behave the way they do. It's really hard to see them as peoples even though they are. But strange seeming they are like during evolution stage maybe, like back when peoples hunted and killed their dinner, maybe? but peoples they are, and some reason there must be, for they way they behave and react, yes. Juli ASD mother to Nicollette Rett Syndrome w/autism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 Nane danced around singing: > With a lot of alcohol thrown into the mix, >cock-teasing three different men, if she had been >raped there in the bar, I truly would not have felt >sorry for her at all, nor would have considered her an >'innocent victim'. Well, I would have felt sorry for her, and would have stood up to defend her as well. I tend to feel that way about people or animals that are attacked by others when they haven't attempted to hurt anybody themselves. Those that stand idly by allowing it to happen (if they have the ability to protest) or that condone such violence completely revolt me. Not that they care, of course. DeGraf ~*~ http://www.sonic.net/mustang/moggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 >Nane danced around singing: >>With a lot of alcohol thrown into the mix, >>cock-teasing three different men, if she had been >>raped there in the bar, I truly would not have felt >>sorry for her at all, nor would have considered her an >>'innocent victim'. > >Well, I would have felt sorry for her, and would have stood up to >defend >her as well. I tend to feel that way about people or animals that >are >attacked by others when they haven't attempted to hurt anybody >themselves. Those that stand idly by allowing it to happen (if they >have >the ability to protest) or that condone such violence completely >revolt >me. Not that they care, of course. > > I am sure if it were a man behaving in that way then you would of called him a predator. It appears to be one rule for WOmen and another for Men in this day and age. Steve My Aspergers Groups http://www.geocities.com/chemerelite http://clix.to/chemer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 Chemer danced around singing: >I am sure if it were a man behaving in that way then you would of >called him a predator. It appears to be one rule for WOmen and >another for Men in this day and age. Being an outrageous flirt that showed his bits off or whatnot? No, especially not in a place like a bar, where the whole point is to meet others, usually for sex. A predator is somebody that acts with intent to attack -- not somebody that tries to entice others. *Big* difference. DeGraf ~*~ http://www.sonic.net/mustang/moggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 > >...she yelled and screamed she > >had done 'nothing wrong'. It was truly bizarre. She > >would not accept that her own behavior brought all > >that on, thought she was totally 'innocent' and no one > >had the right to treat her as if she wasn't. > > With a lot of alcohol thrown into the mix, > >cock-teasing three different men, if she had been > >raped there in the bar, I truly would not have felt > >sorry for her at all, nor would have considered her an > >'innocent victim'. > > My oldest sister's second husband sexually abused > their older daughter. As a result of the abuse, she > entered a psychological state that apparently is > very common among child sexual-abuse victims. (I'm > not sure if it's common among boys as well as girls, > but it's said to be so common for girls that it > often is seen as a diagnostic clue for abuse.) > > She became a sexual tease. Her only value, as far > as she could see, was in her ability to please men > (to please daddy, who had been taken away, and she > couldn't stand for it to be her fault, so she > blamed mommy for it, and turned away from all > females). It's absolutely irrational and counter- > intuitive, but this young girl, as a result of > abuse and despite a great deal of counseling, > became exactly the kind of sexual tease for whom > you would not feel sorry if she were raped, Nanne. > > We cannot know what life experiences are behind > anyone's behavior. What we CAN hold people to is > the obligation to refrain from violence or coercion, > no matter what the provocation they believe they > are subjected to. > > If you walk away from the cash machine counting a > big roll of bills and I am hungry, I still have no > right to take your money. > > Jane oh for fucks sake, A woman being a prick tease is a woman being a prick tease. A man raping a woman is a man raping a woman. We can all make excuses, ( " she was ASKING for it " , " I was only TEASING him " ) Lets not defend those who make mistakes out of habit here. Individual responibility is the key to good society. Gareth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 > Chemer danced around singing: > >I am sure if it were a man behaving in that way then you would of > >called him a predator. It appears to be one rule for WOmen and > >another for Men in this day and age. > > Being an outrageous flirt that showed his bits off or whatnot? No, > especially not in a place like a bar, where the whole point is to meet > others, usually for sex. A predator is somebody that acts with intent to > attack -- not somebody that tries to entice others. *Big* difference. > > > > DeGraf ~*~ http://www.sonic.net/mustang/moggy The difference lies in the sexuality. A man enters (human style) a woman receives. Both are required. Gareth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 --- Chemer wrote: > >Nanne danced around singing: > >>With a lot of alcohol thrown into the mix, > >>cock-teasing three different men, if she had been > >>raped there in the bar, I truly would not have > felt > >>sorry for her at all, nor would have considered > her an > >>'innocent victim'. > > > >Well, I would have felt sorry for her, and would > have stood up to > >defend > >her as well. I tend to feel that way about people > or animals that > >are > >attacked by others when they haven't attempted to > hurt anybody > >themselves. Those that stand idly by allowing it > to happen (if they > >have > >the ability to protest) or that condone such > violence completely > >revolt > >me. Not that they care, of course. > > > > > > I am sure if it were a man behaving in that way then > you would of > called him a predator. It appears to be one rule > for WOmen and > another for Men in this day and age. > > Steve > ------ *bingo* I didn't want to go into exact graphic detail, but she had unzipped and fondled all three men's penises.... true, these guys didn't feel 'harassed', but her actions led them to think more was coming. Anybody who claims she is an innocent victim (and luckily for her, her actions ONLY elicited male rage and a bar brawl and not a rape), has got to be a complete and total dingbat! Nanne ===== " Let's go get drunk on light again---it has the power to console. " -- Seurat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 --- DeGraf wrote: > Chemer danced around singing: > >I am sure if it were a man behaving in that way > then you would of > >called him a predator. It appears to be one rule > for WOmen and > >another for Men in this day and age. > > Being an outrageous flirt that showed his bits off > or whatnot? No, > especially not in a place like a bar, where the > whole point is to meet > others, usually for sex. A predator is somebody > that acts with intent to > attack -- not somebody that tries to entice others. > *Big* difference. > ---------Eh, somebody tell her to wake up...there's all kinds of predators, one being the 'romantic' predator that acts like he is everything a woman wants, only to rob/steal her blind.... Predatory behavior isn't just some guy jumping out from behind some bushes. Nanne ===== " Let's go get drunk on light again---it has the power to console. " -- Seurat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 --- Jane Meyerding wrote: > > My oldest sister's second husband sexually abused > their older daughter. As a result of the abuse, she > entered a psychological state that apparently is > very common among child sexual-abuse victims. (I'm > not sure if it's common among boys as well as girls, > but it's said to be so common for girls that it > often is seen as a diagnostic clue for abuse.) > > She became a sexual tease. Her only value, as far > as she could see, was in her ability to please men > (to please daddy, who had been taken away, and she > couldn't stand for it to be her fault, so she > blamed mommy for it, and turned away from all > females). It's absolutely irrational and counter- > intuitive, but this young girl, as a result of > abuse and despite a great deal of counseling, > became exactly the kind of sexual tease for whom > you would not feel sorry if she were raped, Nanne. > > We cannot know what life experiences are behind > anyone's behavior. What we CAN hold people to is > the obligation to refrain from violence or coercion, > no matter what the provocation they believe they > are subjected to. ------I wondered more about her background after that incident, but there was no talking to her, as she considered it her 'right' to behave however she felt like behaving. What made me angry was her behavior inadvertantly put me at risk also, had I not had other friends around. > > If you walk away from the cash machine counting a > big roll of bills and I am hungry, I still have no > right to take your money. > > Jane > -------You're right, it doesn't. I'm just pointing out a very blatant example of where it's ridiculous for a woman to behave in certain ways and then turn around and be upset by the reactions she receives. nanne ===== " Let's go get drunk on light again---it has the power to console. " -- Seurat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 --- Jane Meyerding wrote: > > If you walk away from the cash machine counting a > big roll of bills and I am hungry, I still have no > right to take your money. > > Jane > ---------I was thinking more about this. If I walked away from a cash machine, and saw you, poor and homeless, and waved around my cash in your face laughing and saying 'ha ha', I should not be surprised if you made an effort to grab it away from me. Not that it would be right, either. I geuss what I'm saying is there is a reason temptation is so often cruel. Nanne ===== " Let's go get drunk on light again---it has the power to console. " -- Seurat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 > > > > If you walk away from the cash machine counting a > > big roll of bills and I am hungry, I still have no > > right to take your money. > > > > Jane > > > ---------I was thinking more about this. If I walked > away from a cash machine, and saw you, poor and > homeless, and waved around my cash in your face > laughing and saying 'ha ha', I should not be surprised > if you made an effort to grab it away from me. Not > that it would be right, either. > > I geuss what I'm saying is there is a reason > temptation is so often cruel. > > > Nanne If i did that, i would be suprised, as my supposed superiority would be diminished rather to quickly for my liking. Gareth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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