Guest guest Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 , thank you for the very thoughtful reply. I agree, diets don't usually work. I mean, I kind of aim for Noel's 150 carbs a day but like Donna am a carb person, I think. However, the awareness of lowering carbs and increasing protein does help me eat in a more balanced way overall. I am FAR from perfect. My strong points: I love veggies and only eat them raw save for beets. I don't use dressing. Just plain. Raw.Weak points: pizza and wine, left over noms from meetings just sitting out. I don't seek out the bagels and cream cheese or the doughnuts but if they are just sitting there for free I grab them (and man they taste good!) , ever struggling with food, and happy to have here in this group!     The Endocrinologist I saw yesterday told me that if I really wanted to lose weight I would eat a " low carb " diet, specifically 30grams of Carbs for Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner and 15 grams for two snacks. She also implied that WW was low carb because she said that I could follow that.    And NO DEFINITELY NO I don't want to follow any " Diet " I want to change my lifestyle so that once I lose the weight I can maintain my weight loss.   I have regained some of the weight I had lost last summer over the holidays but I think I've found out why. I think that the closer I got to the 170's I got scared because I have identified myself as an overweight person for so long, I didn't know how I would feel when I finally got to my goal weight (120/125.) Does that make sense? I need to change how I feel inside about myself as much as the outside. But since I've figured it out I feel READY to commit to my new lifestyle.   I don't know why that Dr. is preaching this crap to me. She said I'm insulin resistant but I've maintained the 20 lbs weight loss so obviously I'm doing something right. She talked about spiking my glucose with eating carbs but I only eat whole grain or brown carbs (healthy carbs) and they don't cause insulin to spike. I wish I could find a decent Dr.  I may not go back to her because she was pretty rude to me and I don't believe in ANY " diet " or health plan that drastically cuts a food group.    I just think I need to make up my mind about how I want to change what I'm eating and JUST DO IT. After all, it has to be something that I can live with, I want to keep my new body once I have it!          Jen Subject: Re: OT: WW questionTo: exercisevideos Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 9:32 AM   I'm missing a lot of original posts again, I only know about this one because of Judy's reply. Grrrr.  By way of a very simple answer, no, WW's point system is definitely not the same as a low carb diet. It is intended to be a very balanced nutritional approach. As Judy says, you can spend your points however you want, however, we do give you nutritional guidelines we tell you to include every day (Good Health Guidelines, page 61 of the new Getting Started book for you WW members who are actually wondering what I'm talking about). You may have heard it is the same as a low carb diet but this is a HIGHLY simplified interpretation. Some things that are lower in points do often turn out to also be lower in carbs but this is based on a formula that takes into account several macronutrients in a serving of a food and does not directly single out carbs.  I've seen a couple of posts about people recommending only x number of carbs per day for weight loss or whatever. I have refrained from commenting but finally will. And you've heard this from me before so I try not to keep saying it but I can't help it. If you are going to go on some special DIET to lose weight... what happens after you lose the weight? How do you learn, while you're losing, how to keep it off once you're done? Anytime I've ever done anything like that I might have lost weight but it found me again as soon as I started eating " normally " again and I hear this all the time. Most people can't live long term on diets, especially ones that restrict certain food categories. Obviously, if you need to restrict certain foods for obvious health reasons (diabetes, allergies, etc.) you learn to live within the contraints of that system. They are often extremely difficult to live with though and anyone who does will tell you that yes, they got used to it but in most cases they wouldn't necessarily choose to live that way. So why would you do it short term for a short term fix and not want to make lasting, liveable changes for a long term fix? I'm not specifically doing a commercial for WW although yes, this is exactly what we teach you (whether you choose to apply it that way is up to you though). I think you have to find a way that works for you but I think whatever it is, if you ultimately want long term results, then find a long-term solution that involves changes you make slowly not only to what you eat but how much you eat and how you think about food and your relationship with it. A more wholistic approach that takes into account emotions, food choices, portion size, why you eat and making changes fit your lifestyle too will work much better short and long-term than a " diet " will. For example, if your lifestyle includes eating out a lot, unless you actually want to stop eating out then you need to find ways to make weight loss and weight management after you lose the weight work with that lifestyle. (And yes, WW does teach you how to eat out and still lose weight and maintain your weight loss.) It should, in other words, become a lifestyle for you to eat healthy in healthy portions (and exercise too!) foods from all different categories (including treats) to maintain excellent nutrition and health. Notice that " lifestyle " has the word " life " in it and " diet " has the word " die " in it... which do you choose? :-)    OT: WW question    Is Weight Watchers point system the same as a low carbohydrate diet?Curious,                      Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011  Hi Jen, WW can be adapted to anything anyone wants it to be but if you follow the actual program, it is focused on very balanced nutrition. Carbs in general do end up with a higher points values but it isn't to penalize anyone eating them, it is because of how the body processes them, especially the processed carbs (so, no value judgement intended, it is based on nutritional science). People are encouraged to eat whole grains, fruits and vegetables though. About being scared to really lose weight, it makes perfect sense to me. I find a lot of people, as they get closer to their goal or to a big marker of success to them, that they relax their efforts partly because at least subconsciously, they are afraid to be at a healthy weight. As you said, they don't know how they'll feel, they're afraid they won't be able to maintain it, they also don't know how others will treat them and being overweight, despite all its drawbacks, provides a known place of safety. It took me probably at least a year to start identifying with the person in the mirror after I got to my goal weight and I still am not always sure of who it is looking back at me. At my heaviest I was probably 50 or 60 pounds heavier than I am now and I was overweight my entire life (until 5 years ago). It sounds like you think you need a new doctor and if this one isn't listening to you or you don't feel comfortable with her then you should try to find someone else. Where you live there are tons of doctors, hopefully your insurance has options though. You might also benefit from some sort of support group (virtual, like this, or in person) that supports healthy eating, body image, etc. WW does include these things in our meetings and, especially as I was losing weight, it really helped me a lot to talk these things out with other people who knew exactly what I was dealing with, but I'm sure there are other groups if WW doesn't seem like a good fit to you (and of course, we get into these things a lot here too). OT: WW question Is Weight Watchers point system the same as a low carbohydrate diet?Curious, Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011  Hi Jen, WW can be adapted to anything anyone wants it to be but if you follow the actual program, it is focused on very balanced nutrition. Carbs in general do end up with a higher points values but it isn't to penalize anyone eating them, it is because of how the body processes them, especially the processed carbs (so, no value judgement intended, it is based on nutritional science). People are encouraged to eat whole grains, fruits and vegetables though. About being scared to really lose weight, it makes perfect sense to me. I find a lot of people, as they get closer to their goal or to a big marker of success to them, that they relax their efforts partly because at least subconsciously, they are afraid to be at a healthy weight. As you said, they don't know how they'll feel, they're afraid they won't be able to maintain it, they also don't know how others will treat them and being overweight, despite all its drawbacks, provides a known place of safety. It took me probably at least a year to start identifying with the person in the mirror after I got to my goal weight and I still am not always sure of who it is looking back at me. At my heaviest I was probably 50 or 60 pounds heavier than I am now and I was overweight my entire life (until 5 years ago). It sounds like you think you need a new doctor and if this one isn't listening to you or you don't feel comfortable with her then you should try to find someone else. Where you live there are tons of doctors, hopefully your insurance has options though. You might also benefit from some sort of support group (virtual, like this, or in person) that supports healthy eating, body image, etc. WW does include these things in our meetings and, especially as I was losing weight, it really helped me a lot to talk these things out with other people who knew exactly what I was dealing with, but I'm sure there are other groups if WW doesn't seem like a good fit to you (and of course, we get into these things a lot here too). OT: WW question Is Weight Watchers point system the same as a low carbohydrate diet?Curious, Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011  Thank you so much, ! I used to struggle with bread-type carbs too but cut most out a few years ago, at least on a daily basis because I was challenged to at work. I used to eat bread, pretzels, crackers, etc. constantly. I learned that they really don't satisfy hunger though and that I kept munching partly because they just weren't filling. Once I cut them out, I lost more weight quickly and most importantly, I found that I didn't miss them after a short while. I thought I'd never live without them but I chose vegetables, fruits and proteins instead (not cheese though, too high in sodium and fat and I won't eat fat-free plastic cheese) and found I was much more satisfied in terms of hunger. It wasn't a super easy transition but it wasn't super hard either. Since I wasn't hungry, I wasn't looking for snacks constantly. Now, if I eat any kind of bread, it is normally a high fiber flat breat (I love flatout) or the Arnold Sandwich Thins. I rarely eat pretzels and crackers but every Friday we do "Family Night" and always have some kind of dumb, carby snack food (Chex Mix is the current favorite) and small, usually chocolate candies (M & Ms and Reeses Pieces are the usual choices lately) along with board games, movies or whatever else we do. I don't stop myself from enjoying any of that but I do make sure I eat a protein and vegetable rich dinner so that I'm not hungry when we do our family night thing. I struggle most with the "gotta have something sweet after a meal" thing my dad ingrained in me and fruit doesn't cut it. We usually have fig newtons around though and they're only 1 pt so while they're essentially junk, they're not as bad as the double stuff oreos I prefer (and never buy) and at least take care of the sweet tooth thing. I limit those to 1 or at most 2. OT: WW question Is Weight Watchers point system the same as a low carbohydrate diet?Curious, Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Random cheese recommendation - Baby Bell Light - only 50 calories! And, portion control is built in. Sure you can have more than one, but you'd end up surrounded by red wax! Another random thought - darn it - jelly bean season is upon us.... And, I'm like - I don't need dips or dressing for my veggies - although a little hummus is nice (but I can easily overeat it b/c I like it so much!) Donna To: exercisevideos Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 4:40:36 PMSubject: Re: Re: OT: WW question  Thank you so much, ! I used to struggle with bread-type carbs too but cut most out a few years ago, at least on a daily basis because I was challenged to at work. I used to eat bread, pretzels, crackers, etc. constantly. I learned that they really don't satisfy hunger though and that I kept munching partly because they just weren't filling. Once I cut them out, I lost more weight quickly and most importantly, I found that I didn't miss them after a short while. I thought I'd never live without them but I chose vegetables, fruits and proteins instead (not cheese though, too high in sodium and fat and I won't eat fat-free plastic cheese) and found I was much more satisfied in terms of hunger. It wasn't a super easy transition but it wasn't super hard either. Since I wasn't hungry, I wasn't looking for snacks constantly. Now, if I eat any kind of bread, it is normally a high fiber flat breat (I love flatout) or the Arnold Sandwich Thins. I rarely eat pretzels and crackers but every Friday we do "Family Night" and always have some kind of dumb, carby snack food (Chex Mix is the current favorite) and small, usually chocolate candies (M & Ms and Reeses Pieces are the usual choices lately) along with board games, movies or whatever else we do. I don't stop myself from enjoying any of that but I do make sure I eat a protein and vegetable rich dinner so that I'm not hungry when we do our family night thing. I struggle most with the "gotta have something sweet after a meal" thing my dad ingrained in me and fruit doesn't cut it. We usually have fig newtons around though and they're only 1 pt so while they're essentially junk, they're not as bad as the double stuff oreos I prefer (and never buy) and at least take care of the sweet tooth thing. I limit those to 1 or at most 2. OT: WW question Is Weight Watchers point system the same as a low carbohydrate diet?Curious, Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011  yeah, I tried baby bell but the red wax bugged me. The current WW favorite is Laughing Cow. I think it comes in a round pack broken into wedges and each wedge is two points. I'm not sure though, I've never bought it but my members always talk about it. Ugh. Jelly bean season... I do like dip for my veggies but have a fat-free 0 point dip I use (1 1/3 cup fat free plain yogurt, 2/3 cup fat free sour cream and 1 envelope ranch mix, salad or dip mix doesn't matter -- 2 T = zero WW points plus). OT: WW question Is Weight Watchers point system the same as a low carbohydrate diet?Curious, Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Thanks , I can't afford to join a weight loss group or WW right now. I'm still paying off the two MRIs I had last summer and will be for about 3 or 4 years. It sucks but nothing I can do about it. I'm just going to do what I did last summer and fall and count calories and exercise...that's what helped me to lose over 20 lbs...I'm sure it will help me again. Jen Subject: Re: OT: WW questionTo: exercisevideos Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 9:32 AM  I'm missing a lot of original posts again, I only know about this one because of Judy's reply. Grrrr. By way of a very simple answer, no, WW's point system is definitely not the same as a low carb diet. It is intended to be a very balanced nutritional approach. As Judy says, you can spend your points however you want, however, we do give you nutritional guidelines we tell you to include every day (Good Health Guidelines, page 61 of the new Getting Started book for you WW members who are actually wondering what I'm talking about). You may have heard it is the same as a low carb diet but this is a HIGHLY simplified interpretation. Some things that are lower in points do often turn out to also be lower in carbs but this is based on a formula that takes into account several macronutrients in a serving of a food and does not directly single out carbs. I've seen a couple of posts about people recommending only x number of carbs per day for weight loss or whatever. I have refrained from commenting but finally will. And you've heard this from me before so I try not to keep saying it but I can't help it. If you are going to go on some special DIET to lose weight... what happens after you lose the weight? How do you learn, while you're losing, how to keep it off once you're done? Anytime I've ever done anything like that I might have lost weight but it found me again as soon as I started eating "normally" again and I hear this all the time. Most people can't live long term on diets, especially ones that restrict certain food categories. Obviously, if you need to restrict certain foods for obvious health reasons (diabetes, allergies, etc.) you learn to live within the contraints of that system. They are often extremely difficult to live with though and anyone who does will tell you that yes, they got used to it but in most cases they wouldn't necessarily choose to live that way. So why would you do it short term for a short term fix and not want to make lasting, liveable changes for a long term fix? I'm not specifically doing a commercial for WW although yes, this is exactly what we teach you (whether you choose to apply it that way is up to you though). I think you have to find a way that works for you but I think whatever it is, if you ultimately want long term results, then find a long-term solution that involves changes you make slowly not only to what you eat but how much you eat and how you think about food and your relationship with it. A more wholistic approach that takes into account emotions, food choices, portion size, why you eat and making changes fit your lifestyle too will work much better short and long-term than a "diet" will. For example, if your lifestyle includes eating out a lot, unless you actually want to stop eating out then you need to find ways to make weight loss and weight management after you lose the weight work with that lifestyle. (And yes, WW does teach you how to eat out and still lose weight and maintain your weight loss.) It should, in other words, become a lifestyle for you to eat healthy in healthy portions (and exercise too!) foods from all different categories (including treats) to maintain excellent nutrition and health. Notice that "lifestyle" has the word "life" in it and "diet" has the word "die" in it... which do you choose? :-) OT: WW question Is Weight Watchers point system the same as a low carbohydrate diet?Curious, Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 I found some calorie free salad dressing that's pretty good. I can eat salad without any dressing though...no problem. I don't like jelly beans but I do LOVE chocolate! My birthday is right before Easter so the Easter bunny is my best friend LOL This year I asked for a birthday cake that can be frozen after I eat a piece...Can you do that to those bump cakes? Jen Subject: Re: OT: WW questionTo: exercisevideos Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 9:32 AM  I'm missing a lot of original posts again, I only know about this one because of Judy's reply. Grrrr. By way of a very simple answer, no, WW's point system is definitely not the same as a low carb diet. It is intended to be a very balanced nutritional approach. As Judy says, you can spend your points however you want, however, we do give you nutritional guidelines we tell you to include every day (Good Health Guidelines, page 61 of the new Getting Started book for you WW members who are actually wondering what I'm talking about). You may have heard it is the same as a low carb diet but this is a HIGHLY simplified interpretation. Some things that are lower in points do often turn out to also be lower in carbs but this is based on a formula that takes into account several macronutrients in a serving of a food and does not directly single out carbs. I've seen a couple of posts about people recommending only x number of carbs per day for weight loss or whatever. I have refrained from commenting but finally will. And you've heard this from me before so I try not to keep saying it but I can't help it. If you are going to go on some special DIET to lose weight... what happens after you lose the weight? How do you learn, while you're losing, how to keep it off once you're done? Anytime I've ever done anything like that I might have lost weight but it found me again as soon as I started eating "normally" again and I hear this all the time. Most people can't live long term on diets, especially ones that restrict certain food categories. Obviously, if you need to restrict certain foods for obvious health reasons (diabetes, allergies, etc.) you learn to live within the contraints of that system. They are often extremely difficult to live with though and anyone who does will tell you that yes, they got used to it but in most cases they wouldn't necessarily choose to live that way. So why would you do it short term for a short term fix and not want to make lasting, liveable changes for a long term fix? I'm not specifically doing a commercial for WW although yes, this is exactly what we teach you (whether you choose to apply it that way is up to you though). I think you have to find a way that works for you but I think whatever it is, if you ultimately want long term results, then find a long-term solution that involves changes you make slowly not only to what you eat but how much you eat and how you think about food and your relationship with it. A more wholistic approach that takes into account emotions, food choices, portion size, why you eat and making changes fit your lifestyle too will work much better short and long-term than a "diet" will. For example, if your lifestyle includes eating out a lot, unless you actually want to stop eating out then you need to find ways to make weight loss and weight management after you lose the weight work with that lifestyle. (And yes, WW does teach you how to eat out and still lose weight and maintain your weight loss.) It should, in other words, become a lifestyle for you to eat healthy in healthy portions (and exercise too!) foods from all different categories (including treats) to maintain excellent nutrition and health. Notice that "lifestyle" has the word "life" in it and "diet" has the word "die" in it... which do you choose? :-) OT: WW question Is Weight Watchers point system the same as a low carbohydrate diet?Curious, Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011  I don't know if bump cakes can be frozen... I wonder if the cream would survive. I suppose you could ask at the bakery? We call them bumpy cakes! Yum! OT: WW question Is Weight Watchers point system the same as a low carbohydrate diet?Curious, Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 what is a bump cake? Donna To: exercisevideos Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 11:53:12 AMSubject: Re: Re: OT: WW question  I don't know if bump cakes can be frozen... I wonder if the cream would survive. I suppose you could ask at the bakery? We call them bumpy cakes! Yum! OT: WW question Is Weight Watchers point system the same as a low carbohydrate diet?Curious, Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011  mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Bumpy cake is a Detroit special, decadent treat! It is, a chocolate cake, possibly Devil's food, that has these ridges on the top, like scallops, that are filled with a buttercream. It is from the Company. I'll see if I can find a link or picture... darn. I can't find it on the website... I know you can still buy it because I had some late last year and there's a link from search engines but when you get there, it isn't there. Okay, now I found a facebook page FOR bumpy cake!! http://www.facebook.com/pages/-Original-Bumpy-Tea-Cake/45585734157?v=app_4949752878 and it has a small picture of a slice of it. There are also recipes for it on the web. Here's another picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dreaminofbeadin/2836457890/ Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! OT: WW question Is Weight Watchers point system the same as a low carbohydrate diet?Curious, Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Funny, Indy - I generally follow the same rule for mostly the same reasons - there is also a lot of "junk" in the mixes -hydrogenated oils, trans fats, etc. so I prefer ot make stuff like that homemade. It still isn't "healthy" but at least it isn't "chemically"!Donna To: exercisevideos Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 3:37:22 PMSubject: Re: OT: WW question Hmmm... We have a "rule" in the house of no store-bought cakes, cookies, etc., including box-mixes. If we want something of that nature, we have to make it from scratch. Flour, sugar, eggs, etc -- from scratch. You'd be amazed at how "artificial" the store-bought stuff starts to taste after doing it from scratch all the time. We have three reason for that "rule." First, calories have to be "earned"-- you have to REALLY want it to go through the trouble of fixing it that way. Two: it's a LOT cheaper. Three: it tastes so much better than store-bought.Just a thought on food and calories.Indyrose(Trying to figure out how to make that Bumpy cake from scratch!!)> > > > Subject: Re: OT: WW question> To: exercisevideos > Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 9:32 AM> > > >  > > I'm missing a lot of original posts again, I only know about this one because of Judy's reply. Grrrr.> > By way of a very simple answer, no, WW's point system is definitely not the same as a low carb diet. It is intended to be a very balanced nutritional approach. As Judy says, you can spend your points however you want, however, we do give you nutritional guidelines we tell you to include every day (Good Health Guidelines, page 61 of the new Getting Started book for you WW members who are actually wondering what I'm talking about). You may have heard it is the same as a low carb diet but this is a HIGHLY simplified interpretation. Some things that are lower in points do often turn out to also be lower in carbs but this is based on a formula that takes into account several macronutrients in a serving of a food and does not directly single out carbs. > > I've seen a couple of posts about people recommending only x number of carbs per day for weight loss or whatever. I have refrained from commenting but finally will. And you've heard this from me before so I try not to keep saying it but I can't help it. If you are going to go on some special DIET to lose weight... what happens after you lose the weight? How do you learn, while you're losing, how to keep it off once you're done? Anytime I've ever done anything like that I might have lost weight but it found me again as soon as I started eating "normally" again and I hear this all the time. Most people can't live long term on diets, especially ones that restrict certain food categories. Obviously, if you need to restrict certain foods for obvious health reasons (diabetes, allergies, etc.) you learn to live within the contraints of that system. They are often extremely difficult to live with though and anyone who does will tell you that yes, they got used to it but in most cases they wouldn't necessarily choose to live that way. So why would you do it short term for a short term fix and not want to make lasting, liveable changes for a long term fix? I'm not specifically doing a commercial for WW although yes, this is exactly what we teach you (whether you choose to apply it that way is up to you though). I think you have to find a way that works for you but I think whatever it is, if you ultimately want long term results, then find a long-term solution that involves changes you make slowly not only to what you eat but how much you eat and how you think about food and your relationship with it. A more wholistic approach that takes into account emotions, food choices, portion size, why you eat and making changes fit your lifestyle too will work much better short and long-term than a "diet" will. For example, if your lifestyle includes eating out a lot, unless you actually want to stop eating out then you need to find ways to make weight loss and weight management after you lose the weight work with that lifestyle. (And yes, WW does teach you how to eat out and still lose weight and maintain your weight loss.) It should, in other words, become a lifestyle for you to eat healthy in healthy portions (and exercise too!) foods from all different categories (including treats) to maintain excellent nutrition and health. Notice that "lifestyle" has the word "life" in it and "diet" has the word "die" in it... which do you choose? :-)> > > > > OT: WW question> > > > Is Weight Watchers point system the same as a low carbohydrate diet?> > Curious,> > Jen> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 I usually cook/bake everything from scratch. Bumpy Cake, however, is truly wonderful right from the source. There are a bunch of recipes online and quick glance at them the might be difficult/time-consuming. Those are such a rare, special treat for me nowadays that I'd rather get it right from . OT: WW question> > > > Is Weight Watchers point system the same as a low carbohydrate diet?> > Curious,> > Jen> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 OOh - that does look good! To: exercisevideos Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 2:19:39 PMSubject: Re: Re: OT: WW question  mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Bumpy cake is a Detroit special, decadent treat! It is, a chocolate cake, possibly Devil's food, that has these ridges on the top, like scallops, that are filled with a buttercream. It is from the Company. I'll see if I can find a link or picture... darn. I can't find it on the website... I know you can still buy it because I had some late last year and there's a link from search engines but when you get there, it isn't there. Okay, now I found a facebook page FOR bumpy cake!! http://www.facebook.com/pages/-Original-Bumpy-Tea-Cake/45585734157?v=app_4949752878 and it has a small picture of a slice of it. There are also recipes for it on the web. Here's another picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dreaminofbeadin/2836457890/ Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! OT: WW question Is Weight Watchers point system the same as a low carbohydrate diet?Curious, Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 > mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Bumpy cake is a Detroit special, > decadent treat! wow, thanks for the pics on that cake, i had never heard of that before! its a good thing we dont have those here! LOLOL :*carolyn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 > I usually cook/bake everything from scratch. Bumpy Cake, however, > is truly wonderful right from the source. hmmm, i wonder if you can mail a bumpy cake :*c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011  :-) Re: Re: OT: WW question > mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Bumpy cake is a Detroit special,> decadent treat!wow, thanks for the pics on that cake, i had never heard of that before!its a good thing we dont have those here! LOLOL:*carolyn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Well, the link I saw, that didn't work when you got to , was for mail ordering it! Maybe they only do it certain times of the year now. Re: Re: OT: WW question > I usually cook/bake everything from scratch. Bumpy Cake, however,> is truly wonderful right from the source.hmmm, i wonder if you can mail a bumpy cake :*c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 I don't have good insurance so that won't work.I have to do it on my own, Jen Subject: Re: OT: WW questionTo: exercisevideos Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 9:32 AM  I'm missing a lot of original posts again, I only know about this one because of Judy's reply. Grrrr. By way of a very simple answer, no, WW's point system is definitely not the same as a low carb diet. It is intended to be a very balanced nutritional approach. As Judy says, you can spend your points however you want, however, we do give you nutritional guidelines we tell you to include every day (Good Health Guidelines, page 61 of the new Getting Started book for you WW members who are actually wondering what I'm talking about). You may have heard it is the same as a low carb diet but this is a HIGHLY simplified interpretation. Some things that are lower in points do often turn out to also be lower in carbs but this is based on a formula that takes into account several macronutrients in a serving of a food and does not directly single out carbs. I've seen a couple of posts about people recommending only x number of carbs per day for weight loss or whatever. I have refrained from commenting but finally will. And you've heard this from me before so I try not to keep saying it but I can't help it. If you are going to go on some special DIET to lose weight... what happens after you lose the weight? How do you learn, while you're losing, how to keep it off once you're done? Anytime I've ever done anything like that I might have lost weight but it found me again as soon as I started eating "normally" again and I hear this all the time. Most people can't live long term on diets, especially ones that restrict certain food categories. Obviously, if you need to restrict certain foods for obvious health reasons (diabetes, allergies, etc.) you learn to live within the contraints of that system. They are often extremely difficult to live with though and anyone who does will tell you that yes, they got used to it but in most cases they wouldn't necessarily choose to live that way. So why would you do it short term for a short term fix and not want to make lasting, liveable changes for a long term fix? I'm not specifically doing a commercial for WW although yes, this is exactly what we teach you (whether you choose to apply it that way is up to you though). I think you have to find a way that works for you but I think whatever it is, if you ultimately want long term results, then find a long-term solution that involves changes you make slowly not only to what you eat but how much you eat and how you think about food and your relationship with it. A more wholistic approach that takes into account emotions, food choices, portion size, why you eat and making changes fit your lifestyle too will work much better short and long-term than a "diet" will. For example, if your lifestyle includes eating out a lot, unless you actually want to stop eating out then you need to find ways to make weight loss and weight management after you lose the weight work with that lifestyle. (And yes, WW does teach you how to eat out and still lose weight and maintain your weight loss.) It should, in other words, become a lifestyle for you to eat healthy in healthy portions (and exercise too!) foods from all different categories (including treats) to maintain excellent nutrition and health. Notice that "lifestyle" has the word "life" in it and "diet" has the word "die" in it... which do you choose? :-) OT: WW question Is Weight Watchers point system the same as a low carbohydrate diet?Curious, Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 I don't have good insurance so that won't work.I have to do it on my own, Jen Subject: Re: OT: WW questionTo: exercisevideos Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 9:32 AM  I'm missing a lot of original posts again, I only know about this one because of Judy's reply. Grrrr. By way of a very simple answer, no, WW's point system is definitely not the same as a low carb diet. It is intended to be a very balanced nutritional approach. As Judy says, you can spend your points however you want, however, we do give you nutritional guidelines we tell you to include every day (Good Health Guidelines, page 61 of the new Getting Started book for you WW members who are actually wondering what I'm talking about). You may have heard it is the same as a low carb diet but this is a HIGHLY simplified interpretation. Some things that are lower in points do often turn out to also be lower in carbs but this is based on a formula that takes into account several macronutrients in a serving of a food and does not directly single out carbs. I've seen a couple of posts about people recommending only x number of carbs per day for weight loss or whatever. I have refrained from commenting but finally will. And you've heard this from me before so I try not to keep saying it but I can't help it. If you are going to go on some special DIET to lose weight... what happens after you lose the weight? How do you learn, while you're losing, how to keep it off once you're done? Anytime I've ever done anything like that I might have lost weight but it found me again as soon as I started eating "normally" again and I hear this all the time. Most people can't live long term on diets, especially ones that restrict certain food categories. Obviously, if you need to restrict certain foods for obvious health reasons (diabetes, allergies, etc.) you learn to live within the contraints of that system. They are often extremely difficult to live with though and anyone who does will tell you that yes, they got used to it but in most cases they wouldn't necessarily choose to live that way. So why would you do it short term for a short term fix and not want to make lasting, liveable changes for a long term fix? I'm not specifically doing a commercial for WW although yes, this is exactly what we teach you (whether you choose to apply it that way is up to you though). I think you have to find a way that works for you but I think whatever it is, if you ultimately want long term results, then find a long-term solution that involves changes you make slowly not only to what you eat but how much you eat and how you think about food and your relationship with it. A more wholistic approach that takes into account emotions, food choices, portion size, why you eat and making changes fit your lifestyle too will work much better short and long-term than a "diet" will. For example, if your lifestyle includes eating out a lot, unless you actually want to stop eating out then you need to find ways to make weight loss and weight management after you lose the weight work with that lifestyle. (And yes, WW does teach you how to eat out and still lose weight and maintain your weight loss.) It should, in other words, become a lifestyle for you to eat healthy in healthy portions (and exercise too!) foods from all different categories (including treats) to maintain excellent nutrition and health. Notice that "lifestyle" has the word "life" in it and "diet" has the word "die" in it... which do you choose? :-) OT: WW question Is Weight Watchers point system the same as a low carbohydrate diet?Curious, Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Amen, when it comes to !I'm not starting a new bad habit, it's just once a year treat for my birthday. JenSubject: Re: Re: OT: WW questionTo: exercisevideos Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 3:52 PM I usually cook/bake everything from scratch. Bumpy Cake, however, is truly wonderful right from the source. There are a bunch of recipes online and quick glance at them the might be difficult/time-consuming. Those are such a rare, special treat for me nowadays that I'd rather get it right from . OT: WW question> > > > Is Weight Watchers point system the same as a low carbohydrate diet?> > Curious,> > Jen> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Amen, when it comes to !I'm not starting a new bad habit, it's just once a year treat for my birthday. JenSubject: Re: Re: OT: WW questionTo: exercisevideos Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 3:52 PM I usually cook/bake everything from scratch. Bumpy Cake, however, is truly wonderful right from the source. There are a bunch of recipes online and quick glance at them the might be difficult/time-consuming. Those are such a rare, special treat for me nowadays that I'd rather get it right from . OT: WW question> > > > Is Weight Watchers point system the same as a low carbohydrate diet?> > Curious,> > Jen> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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