Re: Need pain meds and doc won't listen!

[Guest guest]

Amen!

I know the " making something else hurt " thing. I

ended up slamming by back against a wall because the

pain from the myofacial spasm was soooooooo bad. I

felt like a trapped animal ready to chew my foot off

to get away from it.

My current doc does treat me and it gives you a reason

to live again.

We have a right to pain treatment and say so. Next

time you see her ask her if she's worried about DEA

audit. Should take her back a step. Insist on

workable treatment or ask for reference of a pain

doc/family doc who will help you and make it clear you

refuse to live like this.

Sometimes it helps to have a family memeber talk to

these guys....like grown type kids or hubby or someone

who really knows what is happening.

Make sure nothing goes on your chart that goes against

you like " drug seeking behavior " or anything like

that. That can screw you up with any other doctor.

That is used way too much without it being true.

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--- MEENUMOM@... wrote:

>

> I do, GET ANOTHER DOCTOR! this person is a sadist.

> if they are unwilling to

> change treatment that is NOT working, find someone

> who will. This is your

> life not theirs so ultimately you are the master of

> your ship. Go as soon as

> possible before you get to the point where you need

> to be hospitalized for

> depression.In the meantime, does heat or cold

> compresses help, even if it is

> only while they are on. Do whatever you can to get

> any moticum of relief. I

> used to punch my arm b/c the change in sensation

> felt better than the pain.

> (not suggesting you do that at all but I know how

> it feels to be in agony and

> there is no help). If you are not sleeping at all,

> you are bound to get

> severely depresses etc. That doctor is NOT for

> you, they are only looking out for

> themselves and obviously either afraid to prescribe

> pain meds or they are not

> too empathetic. I know the law in NJ is that if

> you are in a hospital they

> have to treat you according to your pain feelings so

> you are comfortable.

> They can't just walk away anymore. Keep us posted

> but pls don't walk, RUN to

> another doctor. Good luck

> Debbie NJ

>

>

> In a message dated 9/22/2006 5:07:23 PM Eastern

> Standard Time,

> Lottie2u@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> I had been doing really well so hadn't been taking

> pain meds for a few

> months. I went from taking about 15 meds a day to

> around 5. I then went back to

> work in May and started having major problems again.

> I went to the doctor, and

> she offered me massage and muscle relaxers. I

> thought this odd, but figured I

> would give it a chance to work. Now, I'm still in

> extreme pain and she is

> unwilling to give me pain medication. I've missed so

> much work I'm now

> umemployed again. I'm sad, depressed, and on top of

> feeling like a failure I am in

> constant pain to the point of tears. I can't sleep

> and I'm really scared

> because I just don't know what to do next. Should I

> go to the emergency room?

> Anyone got any ideas?

> Charlotte in Lynnwood WA

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

Lotacats >^.^<

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[Guest guest]

>

> We have a right to pain treatment and say so. Next

> time you see her ask her if she's worried about DEA

> audit. Should take her back a step. Insist on

> workable treatment or ask for reference of a pain

> doc/family doc who will help you and make it clear

> you

> refuse to live like this.

>

> Sometimes it helps to have a family memeber talk to

> these guys....like grown type kids or hubby or

> someone

> who really knows what is happening.

>

> Make sure nothing goes on your chart that goes

> against

> you like " drug seeking behavior " or anything like

> that. That can screw you up with any other doctor.

> That is used way too much without it being true.

Hi All,

I can sure relate to all of this. I have been lerking

and reading and I sure have compassion for ya'll too.

We moved and left a doctor of 22 years that took very

good care of us.My husband and I both have bad health

and a lot of pain. We have been through three doctors

already because they say take over the counter

Tylenol. PLEASE!!!!! I am sure all reading this are

graoning right now. Finally today I take my hubby to

the doc with pain under his rib cage and he has

wrestled with it for four days now until we both have

lost so much sleep and I tell the doctor, after he

xrays and diagnoses as a muscle problem, that hubby

needs something for pain and his late doctor kept him

on pain meds for neuropothy in his legs and back

injuries and surgeries etc. He says ok, he will give

him something to relieve the pain. he writes him a

script for just 20 pills....Grrrrrrr. He doesn't like

to give pain medicine. That's a crock!!!!

It helps to read in here of other's experiences

because then we don't quite feel so all alone in this.

Another thing I am concerned about is up above you

mentioned to watch our charts so that they don't label

one as a drug seeker or put something derogatory (sp)

in the chart. How can we do this? I wish some of them

could feel the pain we all go through and come to them

for help. We all could go to wally world and pick

something that won't and will never work. They need to

get real!!!!

Thanks for listening to me vent.

Halfpint ( cause I'm short, not a drinker) hahaha

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[Guest guest]

I don't think that I would personally take up with any doctor that way. If

you put them on the defensive, they will close down. Ask them for a

reference to a Pain MGMT. specialist. They are very attuned to issues of pain

and

understand how to treat it. Most doctors have no clue and are afraid of

narcotics for addictive reasons. I think one may be labeled with " drug seeking

tendencies " If the doctor feels there is nothing wrong. That is why you have

to

forgo the asking for pain med's from regular internists, family med guys

and go straight to the professionals who get it. The internists will set

you up p[ill to pill b/c the states do look at them carefully. If it was my

medical licence, I would make darn sure you were in pain or refer you to a

specialist. Look at it from their perspective. They are afraid to make

mistakes with these meds people DO ABUSE THEM>The only other suggestion I have

is to

ask for more tests and alternative treatments. Tell them you are willing to

try it all b/c the pain is so bad, that this is no way to live. It is

impeding on your life functioning. Tell them how it affects your daily

activities.

In a message dated 9/28/2006 12:10:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

half50pint@... writes:

We have a right to pain treatment and say so. Next

> time you see her ask her if she's worried about DEA

> audit. Should take her back a step. Insist on

> workable treatment or ask for reference of a pain

> doc/family doc who will help you and make it clear

> you

> refuse to live like this.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Halfpint

I'm Diane and I also have neuropathy in both my feet and right leg.

The Specialists (neurologists) have told me that they can't do

anything for me and that I'm just going to have to live with it.

The only pain meds they told me to take is extra strength tylenol.

I don't know if it's because I'm allergic to Vicodin and Percocet or

they just don't believe me even though the tests show that I have

dead or damaged nerves. What does your hubby take for pain meds for

his neuropathy?

Diane - Minnesota

>

>

>

> >

> > We have a right to pain treatment and say so. Next

> > time you see her ask her if she's worried about DEA

> > audit. Should take her back a step. Insist on

> > workable treatment or ask for reference of a pain

> > doc/family doc who will help you and make it clear

> > you

> > refuse to live like this.

> >

> > Sometimes it helps to have a family memeber talk to

> > these guys....like grown type kids or hubby or

> > someone

> > who really knows what is happening.

> >

> > Make sure nothing goes on your chart that goes

> > against

> > you like " drug seeking behavior " or anything like

> > that. That can screw you up with any other doctor.

> > That is used way too much without it being true.

>

>

> Hi All,

> I can sure relate to all of this. I have been lerking

> and reading and I sure have compassion for ya'll too.

> We moved and left a doctor of 22 years that took very

> good care of us.My husband and I both have bad health

> and a lot of pain. We have been through three doctors

> already because they say take over the counter

> Tylenol. PLEASE!!!!! I am sure all reading this are

> graoning right now. Finally today I take my hubby to

> the doc with pain under his rib cage and he has

> wrestled with it for four days now until we both have

> lost so much sleep and I tell the doctor, after he

> xrays and diagnoses as a muscle problem, that hubby

> needs something for pain and his late doctor kept him

> on pain meds for neuropothy in his legs and back

> injuries and surgeries etc. He says ok, he will give

> him something to relieve the pain. he writes him a

> script for just 20 pills....Grrrrrrr. He doesn't like

> to give pain medicine. That's a crock!!!!

> It helps to read in here of other's experiences

> because then we don't quite feel so all alone in this.

> Another thing I am concerned about is up above you

> mentioned to watch our charts so that they don't label

> one as a drug seeker or put something derogatory (sp)

> in the chart. How can we do this? I wish some of them

> could feel the pain we all go through and come to them

> for help. We all could go to wally world and pick

> something that won't and will never work. They need to

> get real!!!!

> Thanks for listening to me vent.

> Halfpint ( cause I'm short, not a drinker) hahaha

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

You are very right about asking for pain meds.The dr will at some point

write a script but it will not be pain meds it will be sugar pills it will

be put into the files that follow a person to every dr they go to as having

drug seeking tendencies,it also is put somehow on the perscrption so the

pharmacy knows also and no pain management climic will take anyone that has

that in their file.Pain management doesnt give you medication right off the bat

either you have to have a psychological exam by pain management psychiatrist

in order to determine if your pain is true or false and then have any other

tests those drs order before you are even excepted as a pain patient.Just

because u are referred doesnt mean you will be seen by the pain clinic

MEENUMOM@... wrote:

I don't think that I would personally take up with any doctor that way. If

you put them on the defensive, they will close down. Ask them for a

reference to a Pain MGMT. specialist. They are very attuned to issues of pain

and

understand how to treat it. Most doctors have no clue and are afraid of

narcotics for addictive reasons. I think one may be labeled with " drug seeking

tendencies " If the doctor feels there is nothing wrong. That is why you have to

forgo the asking for pain med's from regular internists, family med guys

and go straight to the professionals who get it. The internists will set

you up p[ill to pill b/c the states do look at them carefully. If it was my

medical licence, I would make darn sure you were in pain or refer you to a

specialist. Look at it from their perspective. They are afraid to make

mistakes with these meds people DO ABUSE THEM>The only other suggestion I have

is to

ask for more tests and alternative treatments. Tell them you are willing to

try it all b/c the pain is so bad, that this is no way to live. It is

impeding on your life functioning. Tell them how it affects your daily

activities.

In a message dated 9/28/2006 12:10:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

half50pint@... writes:

We have a right to pain treatment and say so. Next

> time you see her ask her if she's worried about DEA

> audit. Should take her back a step. Insist on

> workable treatment or ask for reference of a pain

> doc/family doc who will help you and make it clear

> you

> refuse to live like this.

>

[Guest guest]

Not in NY. I have been in pain mgmt since 1995 solid. I had an accident at

work, had gottne pain meds for ( impingemnet symndroms, had surgeries 3, got

a frozen shoulder. I had been all the while treated by the orthopedist with

narcotics. After my third surgery the orthopedist said I should see a pain

specialist. I called a clinic, was examined and accepted as a patient with

RSD. I had 3 years of PT during my surgeries phase. The pain clinic gave

me cervical injections and narcotics. PT was aggrevating that. I prior to

Pain MGMT put mytself into chiropractic but it aggrevated it so bad. There

was never a time when I had to be evaluated by a psychiatrist for " Addictive

tendancies prior to giving narcotics " Some doctors may do that if they don't

understand pain. There are some pain clinics that obviously want to do their

own evaluation prior, but they do see you. They may chose not to treat you

if they don't see a problem. I would worry less about being labeled a

" Narcotic wanabee user " and more about getting proper care from able

physicians.

There is nothing on prescriptions that say you are a person asking for pain

meds. I don't know where that came from. Pharmacists fill whatever the

script

is that the doctor writes providing that the info is written legally and

correctly. They do not have the legal right to even ask you what you are

taking the medication for. To write something on a script like that would be

illegal and slanderous. Doctors would not unless they are complete fools

jeopardize their entire careers and practice on doing something like that.

Also, if

you show no prior records to the treating doc, the doctor sees nothing. If

this is of concern, you should get a hold of the records so you can see them

for yourselves. There is something called the Freedom of Information Act

which guarantees patients copies of their medical files from ANY doctor or

pharmacy. This is a federal law.

In a message dated 9/28/2006 2:23:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

darcyann1966@... writes:

You are very right about asking for pain meds.The dr will at some point

write a script but it will not be pain meds it will be sugar pills it will be

put

into the files that follow a person to every dr they go to as having drug

seeking tendencies,it also is put somehow on the perscrption so the pharmacy

knows also and no pain management climic will take anyone that has that in

their file.Pain management doesnt give you medication right off the bat either

you have to have a psychological exam by pain management psychiatrist in order

to determine if your pain is true or false and then have any other tests

those drs order before you are even excepted as a pain patient.Just because u

are

referred doesnt mean you will be seen by the pain clinic

[Guest guest]

not here either I never went for a psych exam I went to a pain Dr and he

started treating me that day and that was 6 years ago .. the only unusual

thing he asked me was if I don't help U today will you take your life and I

said

O hell im married to a marine no Dr could drive me to that he laughed and

wrote me a script

Rose

[Guest guest]

Sometimes they may ask and I think rightfully so, if you are suicidal b/c

those drugs can kill you asap on overdose. Also, they can ask if you ever took

illegal substances and were an alcoholic. I can understand but I highly

doubt all the other stuff. (Doc writing to pharmacies etc.) It would be

unprofessional, illegal and remiss of any doctor to give out these meds when

they

truly believe you are a malingerer and a fake. Worthy of having their medical

licence yanked. True pain doctors know pain. They know what causes what type

of symptoms. When pain is described like for example, " Burning, itching,

scraping, banging. They know exactly what could cause that and how to make you

move to mimic it to be sure. I would not bother with regular doctors. That

is why you have specialists. You would not go to a podiatrist to have your

cavity filled. I am glad we have this forum to voice our opinions and tell

our experiences. if I read that " things followed you and you may be labeled, I

would be afraid to seek treatment " That would be a pity.

In a message dated 9/28/2006 9:50:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

starlyin@... writes:

not here either I never went for a psych exam I went to a pain Dr and he

started treating me that day and that was 6 years ago .. the only unusual

thing he asked me was if I don't help U today will you take your life and I

said

O hell im married to a marine no Dr could drive me to that he laughed and

wrote me a script

Rose

[Guest guest]

My injury started back in 99. Im lucky as shortly after my diagnosis I

got a new job and started with Kaizer for my insurance. was scheduled

to have surgery on my lebo to take bone frag. out ( I fell while

taking the head gasket replacement out to my truck, tripped over a

eztention cord, mind u was more concerned about dropping the head than

me)WHen went for surgery the anestesiologist specialized in pain care

and started seeing her till they took away the kaiser as an option.

Luckly she knew of a doc that I could see and said if she or anyone in

her family was DX with the RSD, she would see him and I have been

seeing him ever sense. The only reason I had to see a psych. ws prior

to doing the trial of my spinal cord stim. Otherwise, never required.

YOu ahve the right to ask them why they want you to see this physician

first and ifyour not satisfied with the answer, find another doc.

HOpe having a pain free day

Blessed Be

Deb

>

>

>

> Not in NY. I have been in pain mgmt since 1995 solid. I had an

accident at

> work, had gottne pain meds for ( impingemnet symndroms, had

surgeries 3, got

> a frozen shoulder. I had been all the while treated by the

orthopedist with

> narcotics. After my third surgery the orthopedist said I should

see a pain

> specialist. I called a clinic, was examined and accepted as a

patient with

> RSD. I had 3 years of PT during my surgeries phase. The pain

clinic gave

> me cervical injections and narcotics. PT was aggrevating that. I

prior to

> Pain MGMT put mytself into chiropractic but it aggrevated it so

bad. There

> was never a time when I had to be evaluated by a psychiatrist for

" Addictive

> tendancies prior to giving narcotics " Some doctors may do that if

they don't

> understand pain. There are some pain clinics that obviously want

to do their

> own evaluation prior, but they do see you. They may chose not to

treat you

> if they don't see a problem. I would worry less about being labeled a

> " Narcotic wanabee user " and more about getting proper care from

able physicians.

> There is nothing on prescriptions that say you are a person asking

for pain

> meds. I don't know where that came from. Pharmacists fill

whatever the script

> is that the doctor writes providing that the info is written

legally and

> correctly. They do not have the legal right to even ask you what

you are

> taking the medication for. To write something on a script like that

would be

> illegal and slanderous. Doctors would not unless they are complete

fools

> jeopardize their entire careers and practice on doing something like

that. Also, if

> you show no prior records to the treating doc, the doctor sees

nothing. If

> this is of concern, you should get a hold of the records so you can

see them

> for yourselves. There is something called the Freedom of

Information Act

> which guarantees patients copies of their medical files from ANY

doctor or

> pharmacy. This is a federal law.

>

>

> In a message dated 9/28/2006 2:23:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> darcyann1966@... writes:

>

> You are very right about asking for pain meds.The dr will at some

point

> write a script but it will not be pain meds it will be sugar pills

it will be put

> into the files that follow a person to every dr they go to as

having drug

> seeking tendencies,it also is put somehow on the perscrption so the

pharmacy

> knows also and no pain management climic will take anyone that has

that in

> their file.Pain management doesnt give you medication right off the

bat either

> you have to have a psychological exam by pain management

psychiatrist in order

> to determine if your pain is true or false and then have any other

tests

> those drs order before you are even excepted as a pain patient.Just

because u are

> referred doesnt mean you will be seen by the pain clinic

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Deb, how did the spinal cord stimulator work for you?

[Guest guest]

Charlotte,

This is a hard situation to be in! In my mind you have every right

to be given the treatment whether that is pain meds, physical

therapy, etc, to help you deal with your pain. On the other hand I

have seen from working with a family practice doctor the people who

abuse the system and are addicted to pain meds. This is a big

problem for most doctors. The best thing I can suggest is that

maybe try going back to this doc with some kind of documentation of

your pain. Maybe keeping a pain diary to show what it is like on a

daily basis along with a pain scale (1 for least amount of pain and

10 for the worst). Try to talk to her about what your life is like

and how you need some kind of help and a pain plan. If she is still

unwilling to do much of anything it is time for a 2nd opinion. You

have the right to get help and if this doctor isn't doing it find

another! I wish you the best of luck and pray that your pain

lessens soon.

Hugs,

>

> I had been doing really well so hadn't been taking pain meds for

a few months. I went from taking about 15 meds a day to around 5. I

then went back to work in May and started having major problems

again. I went to the doctor, and she offered me massage and muscle

relaxers. I thought this odd, but figured I would give it a chance

to work. Now, I'm still in extreme pain and she is unwilling to

give me pain medication. I've missed so much work I'm now umemployed

again. I'm sad, depressed, and on top of feeling like a failure I am

in constant pain to the point of tears. I can't sleep and I'm really

scared because I just don't know what to do next. Should I go to

the emergency room? Anyone got any ideas?

> Charlotte in Lynnwood WA

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

the reason this pain clinic has to have psych exams is because a person can

say they are not suicidal and are and because as ev1 knows with chronic pain

comes depression and the doctors at pain clinic want to make sure u are treated

for everything not just the pain but everything else that u are effected by

with chronic pain. the sad thing about alot of drs the help with the pain but

to they help with what ur mind deals with while going through the pain.I have

never met any dr who will call her patients to see how they are feeling mine

does.Plus anothe rule of her clinic is she is the only dr who can give her

patients pain meds while being treated by her and u have to sign papers if u

abuse meds etc u are released from her care and if in state of indiana u are

released from a pain clinic it is put in state system and not allowed at

another pain center because u abused the system.I honestly like the way this

clinic is set because u are truely

there to get help then u wont abuse the system if ur there just to score drugs

sooner or later u get caught.Recently the only other pain dr in my area was

disbarred because he was handing out narcotics like they were candy to people

who didnt need them and he got jail time. so you see this is why doctors who

are here to help people cover themselves.People get mad at the drs but if they

are drs who love what they do they arent gonna to jepordize their work to give

drugs with out doing alot of checking into the person

starlyin@... wrote: not here either I never went for a psych exam I

went to a pain Dr and he

started treating me that day and that was 6 years ago .. the only unusual

thing he asked me was if I don't help U today will you take your life and I said

O hell im married to a marine no Dr could drive me to that he laughed and

wrote me a script

Rose

[Guest guest]

Charlotte,

Another thing you can do is ask your doctor if together you can do a

pain contract. some pain docs and other docs do those. they basicallly

state that the two of you together hace worked ot a regimin for for

medicatiosn and that you will not go to another for pain medications.

This is done by alot so I have heard. I know my doc in talking to him

has some patients that he does do that with, others , like me he does

not. When pts. start losing there meds, or spilling them down the sink

obciously this is gonna make any other facilities. You can arrainge

with him that if you get bad over a weekend and cant stand it, (this

is one thing my pain doc and I did, have one hospital that is within

your policy not vcevacvvvery where the office is (my pain docs office

is 110 miles away so obviously we did one closer to me) have an

agreement on a hospitall near you that can go and he will call in an

Im or someting for the pain.

Hope this makes sense if not let me know vision is a bit blurry

> >

> > I had been doing really well so hadn't been taking pain meds for

> a few months. I went from taking about 15 meds a day to around 5. I

> then went back to work in May and started having major problems

> again. I went to the doctor, and she offered me massage and muscle

> relaxers. I thought this odd, but figured I would give it a chance

> to work. Now, I'm still in extreme pain and she is unwilling to

> give me pain medication. I've missed so much work I'm now umemployed

> again. I'm sad, depressed, and on top of feeling like a failure I am

> in constant pain to the point of tears. I can't sleep and I'm really

> scared because I just don't know what to do next. Should I go to

> the emergency room? Anyone got any ideas?

> > Charlotte in Lynnwood WA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Check out my webpage!! http://www.myspace.com/bigmama83166

> > Add me on Yahoo messenger: Lottie2u

> > MSN messenger: daisygirlblooms

> >

> > " To worry about others approval makes you their prisoner "

> > ~Tao Te Ching

> >

> >

> >

> >

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