Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 If our numbers keep growing at an ever increasing rate, maybe someday we'll find a cure for all the " humans " out there ;o). Finally ... a cure! > Hi everybody ... have a read of this. I particularly loved the line > about 'transforming the savant brain into a human one'. And > there was me thinking all me life I was a paid up homo sapiens. > Regards > Dave > > Press Release Source: Practical Growth, Inc. > > Autism Insights and Animations Show Adult Overcome Asperger > Syndrome > Monday August 4, 7:32 am ET > > BOCA RATON, Fla., Aug. 4 /PRNewswire/ -- Practical Growth, Inc. > offers a unique media experience and a NEW PARADIGM FOR > UNDERSTANDING AUTISM. Animations document one > person's understanding and overcoming incurable and > mysterious autism, Asperger Syndrome, and the Savant Brain > via a new website: Cosmic Conniptions (www.conniptions.com) > offering CDs of autism's inner worlds. > > Results from a decade and half research project can be read > online. How I Came To Understand, then Overcome Autism > Conditions ... from the Inside Out appears in AutismToday.com > (www.AutismToday.com) an online major autism portal founded > by parents of autistic children detailing personal experiences to > overcome gruesome and mysterious autist conditions where > science has no cure. > > Autism, Asperger Syndrome, and pervasive disorders are > estimated to occur in one person out of 160 growing > exponentially for unknown reasons. That equals 2 million > Americans and 30 million worldwide. Another 8 million > Americans and 120 million others are affected comprising > families, caretakers, and researchers -- costing an estimated > $14 BILLION a year in the U.S. > > Multimedia animations depict living with, understanding (yes, a > revolutionary understanding), then completely overcoming > autism and Asperger Syndrome, transforming a savant brain into > a human one. (http://www.conniptions.com/autism-cds.html). > Multimedia animations vibrate with life, color, and sound created > by Brier, color-blind until 1994. CDs are available on his > website. > > Living with Autism, a multimedia CD, depicted in Autism > Labyrinth draws parallels between the inner autist drama as the > reliving of the ancient Greek Labyrinth myth causing difficulties > affecting communication, social relatedness, and sensory > processing. This CD is intended as both a parable and a path > and guidance out of autism and pervasive disorders. Family, > researchers, caretakers, and those afflicted with sufficient ability > to absorb can benefit as well as anyone interested in the human > condition. > > Inside My Rainman Brain CD shows how thinking and memory > replace and do the work of absent feelings and sensations. > Unique insights into savantism from a recovered savant open > the door to understanding, future research, and resolution of this > mysterious condition. > > Insights to understand autism animate Jung's Ideas Worked CD > (C.G. Jung, the Swiss psychologist). Explore practical application > of insights for understanding autism like Psychology of Types, > archetypal and shadow theories (integrating parts of ourselves > we don't know). > > Black & White Became Color: Neurogenesis CD depicts > overcoming autist conditions including seeing color for the first > time in 1994 decades after birth, then touch, taste, and feeling > taking until 2003. Animations take you inside an unusual > scientific anomaly of adult human neurogenesis or brain > regeneration. > > Autism Library of Science and Spirit is part of Conniptions > website with 2,000 annotated links referencing many diverse > areas of learning and knowledge down many roads less > traveled over a decade and a half of 24/7 efforts. > > Press are invited to request a sample CD. > > CONTACT: > Brier > Practical Growth, Inc. > Phone: > Fax: > steve@... > www.conniptions.com > > > This release was issued through eReleases. For more > information, visit http://www.ereleases.com. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:08 PM > > I have no known savant skills (except possibly for hyperlexia; it has > been suggested that this may be a savant skill), but I can firmly say > that I do not want to have my brain transformed into a human one. > > Having spent the past several days working on resolving a property tax issue and dealing with way more humans than is good for me, I can definitely say that I have no desire to be a human. I'd rather be able to think in a straight line. I even received a very meaningful (to me) compliment from my husband. He told me that he's glad that I'm good at taking care of things like that. This morning I'm going to go stun and amaze the local tax lady ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Hi there, Its interesting that more and more people are being born autistic. Maybe like others have said this is our destiny and Autism is actually the future of mankind. Maybe as with all things in evolution NTs are finally being phased out and replaced by people who can adapt to the growing tide of technology. Its no longer a requirement to have loads of muscles to shift things, machines do that. But it appears that brain is becoming far more important than brawn these days. I refer you to the Millennium Bug. If it were not for so called Nerds or Geeks then the whole world could of come to an end, nuclear bombs would of been set off and the whole food chain would be finished. No amount of muscles or Jocks could of saved the day. No amount of Cheer Leaders would of been able to stop the clock. If it had not of been for intelligent people then it would of been goodbye NTs goodbye AS people in fact good bye world. So I think nature is making sure that the next generation of humans are actually going to have more Autistic traits. Maybe thats what is going to happen and in the next century I think you are going to see far more Autistic Children. I am watching a program on how people interact. It says that people should mirror what others do in a group. If they do not lean forward like the group or make eye contact like the group then they are excluded. Its with that note that I have to say that many AS People are excluded from what other do and thats because they are individuals. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Chemer wrote: > Hi there, > > Its interesting that more and more people are being born autistic. > Maybe like others have said this is our destiny and Autism is > actually the future of mankind. Maybe as with all things in > evolution NTs are finally being phased out and replaced by people who > can adapt to the growing tide of technology. I have said something similar, only I did not use the concept of technology. I think that body language, nonverbal communication, and unwritten rules were useful when humans lived a tribal existence, before the advent of language. Like wolves, they depended on the pack unit to survive, but without language, there was no way to define rules of conduct, purpose (like when it is time to hunt), and group cohesion. Without some way to communicate, early humans would not have survived. Nonverbal communication served its purpose then, as it does with wolves now. The natural tendency that they had to shun those that were different or that did not follow their same unwritten rules (like members of other, possibly hostile tribes) served them well. Lesser transgressions of the unwritten rules resulted in anger reactions from the other tribe members, quickly bringing the errant actor back into line. A social hierarchy based on toughness and the qualities of being fearsome and charismatic kept the group organized and ready to take on the various tasks needed by the group. The humans were very well adapted to their environment. Fast forward to post-industrial society. We have language, governments, written laws, and more well-defined standards of conduct. We have a means of communication that is more effective than rudimentary body posture or other nonverbal cues. Now we do not live in tribal groups, where all members were raised together as one family; we exist as lots of tribes of one, two, three, or a handful at most-- and those tribe members are just as likely to be from different backgrounds as not. Now when we encounter someone, we cannot assume that they were raised to use the same dialect of body language that we were. People were born, lived, and died all in a small geographical area in the preverbal days. Now we live in a very multicultural world. I don't even know where my ancestors came from. Europe, somewhere. Now, the nonverbal abilities that sustained our ancestors cause problems. People from different cultures may speak the same language, but use different nonverbal languages-- and thus end up hating one another, and not even knowing why. There is no guarantee that any person you meet on a given day will be using your same set of unwritten rules. The nonverbal stuff just gets in the way now, and is not necessary any longer, now that we have a more precise and less vague replacement. In this case, less is more-- because as long as NTs have their nonverbal abilities, they will continue to use them... they will continue with their tribal mentality that causes racism and all sorts of other nastiness... they will continue to have the anger (enforcement) response when their personal set of unwritten rules is broken... they will continue to treat anyone that is not just like them as inferior, just like their preverbal cohort did. They will continue to prize social ability above competence, and they will continue to form unofficial social hierarchies, based on how fearsome and charismatic a person is. They're not more versatile because they do both languages and we only do one... they're more limited, and more primitive. We have to jettison the vestiges of the preverbal days; that baggage is a heavy burden that causes a lot of the ills in the world. Guesses or hopes about a future of ASD-forward evolution: If our numbers are ever greater than theirs, they will lose the ability to bully us; we will not be the minority then, and given as they are to thinking that normality equals value, they will see us as the superiors, or else they will be in the position of trying to advocate for their equality as we do now. And we will not treat them as they have treated us, since we lack the " torture those that are different " motive. A minority of our kind now may be bitter and would like to torture NTs as they have tortured us, but by the time we are in the majority, or close to it, I don't think that will be the case. They may then not be suitable for many jobs in the economy of our kind, but there will be places for them, and their numbers will never decline to zero. And unlike how they treat us, the judgment as to whether they are suitable for a given job or task will be based on their actual ability (or inability) to perform, not on (often) unrelated things like charisma and social skill. And we will then value them as having an outside perspective, which can be useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Quoting Rakus : > This morning I'm going to go stun and amaze the local tax lady > ). > > Better make sure that it is not set to something stronger than " stun " ! Colin (... and I'm not afraid to use it!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Quoting Chemer : > Hi there, > > Its interesting that more and more people are being born autistic. No arguments there. > Maybe like others have said this is our destiny and Autism is > actually the future of mankind. Unless we wipe ourselves out first! We (humanity) are doing it to ourselves. > Maybe as with all things in evolution NTs are finally being phased out and > replaced by people who can adapt to the growing tide of technology. Its no > longer a requirement to have loads of muscles to shift things, machines do > that. But it appears that brain is becoming far more important than > brawn these days. What does " social intelligence " have to do with muscles? My son, and many others on the spectrum are larger and stronger than age-similar NTs. If part of the " evolutionary process " was language and " social intelligence " , why would be an improvement in the " evolutionary process " to lose the attributes? > I refer you to the Millennium Bug. If it were not for so called > Nerds or Geeks then the whole world could of come to an end, nuclear > bombs would of been set off and the whole food chain would be > finished. No amount of muscles or Jocks could of saved the day. No > amount of Cheer Leaders would of been able to stop the clock. If it > had not of been for intelligent people then it would of been goodbye > NTs goodbye AS people in fact good bye world. > My computer geek friends and I have laughed many times about the Millenium Panic Bug. That was the biggest marketing ploy in the history of mankind. Did everything necessary get fixed? No. Did the world break after 23:59:59 on 1999/12/31? No. Did every country have the resources to address the problem? No. BTW, the millenium had already passed, according to astro-historians. Did the bug sell a lot of new hardware and software, as well as create new jobs? Yes. I am not saying that there were not a few problems. There were problems before Y2K as well as afterwards, some of which were fixed, some not. This was an NT marketing opportunity second to none. But, hey - if they had aksed us geeks to analyze the problem, without panic, and prioritize the fixes, we could have done a better job. Without the hype. > So I think nature is making sure that the next generation of humans > are actually going to have more Autistic traits. > We (humanity) are doing it to ourselves. > Maybe thats what is going to happen and in the next century I think > you are going to see far more Autistic Children. > No arguments there. > I am watching a program on how people interact. It says that people > should mirror what others do in a group. If they do not lean forward > like the group or make eye contact like the group then they are > excluded. Its with that note that I have to say that many AS People > are excluded from what other do and thats because they are > individuals. Can you see/feel me leaning toward you as I write? Colin. > > Steve > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 On Thursday, August 7, 2003 15:37 -0700 Colin Wessels wrote: >> Maybe as with all things in evolution NTs are finally being phased out >> and replaced by people who can adapt to the growing tide of technology. >> Its no longer a requirement to have loads of muscles to shift things, >> machines do that. But it appears that brain is becoming far more >> important than brawn these days. > > What does " social intelligence " have to do with muscles? My son, and > many others on the spectrum are larger and stronger than age-similar NTs. AFAIK, there is no correlation one way or the other between size and being on the spectrum. If there is a correlation at all w.r.t. strength, it is probably indirect. Many on the spectrum have impaired coordination and slow reflexes, which tends to make us do very badly in sports. When most exercise for kids is offered in the form of team sports, autistic kids are likely to be excluded or consigned to the bench. We don't get much exercise sitting on the bench. In a game like baseball, if you can't hit the ball you won't be running around many bases. If you can't catch, the other fielders will run in front of you to catch the ball before you can get to it. Thus one can be effectively excluded even when " allowed " to play. We have to compete for the right to get enough exercise and many of us cannot do that. I sure couldn't when I was growing up. Being the shortest kid in the class didn't help either. It also appears that some of us have to exercise a lot longer and harder than NTs to get the same amount of muscle development. The upside is that things atrophy more slowly as well. We may even age more slowly. Hyperactivity and stimming are natural defenses against becoming too sedentary. They should not be medicated away, they are gifts and we should use them! They are nature's way of telling you it is time to MOVE YOUR BODY! I am in much better shape now that I get my exercise dancing and bicycling than I ever was when I was in my teens or twenties. Ride the Music (and the trails) AndyTiedye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 > Many on the spectrum have impaired coordination and slow reflexes, which > tends to make us do very badly in sports. When most exercise for kids is > offered in the form of team sports, autistic kids are likely to be excluded > or consigned to the bench. We don't get much exercise sitting on the bench. > In a game like baseball, if you can't hit the ball you won't be running > around many bases. If you can't catch, the other fielders will run in front of you > to catch the ball before you can get to it. Thus one can be effectively > excluded even when " allowed " to play. We have to compete for the right to get > enough exercise and many of us cannot do that. I sure couldn't when I was > growing up. > Being the shortest kid in the class didn't help either. Trying to remember team sports in school. The one I most recall clearly first happening is soccer (football). I got the " kicking the ball " part. I did not understand much more of the game. I would run for the ball and try to kick it. I was good at kicking it and good at drop-kicking it. I knew nothing of positions and barely anything of rules. Naturally, I was picked last, although I barely even noticed I was picked last and wasn't bothered by it. The thing I was most bothered by were people who got between me and the ball, and the general chaos on the field. I got a lot of exercise as a kid climbing things. I think I climbed things since I was 3 or earlier. Particularly trees. Never fell out of a tree until I was 19 years old. (My coordination was starting to get very messed up.) I really did do okay in at least some sports as a kid. Not great, but not terrible either. > It also appears that some of us have to exercise a lot longer and harder > than NTs to get the same amount of muscle development. The upside is that > things atrophy more slowly as well. We may even age more slowly. I'd be interested in this -- I'd never noticed, except that at the level of (non-) exercise I get now I would think I would be a lot physically weaker. Instead, I seem to be almost as physically strong as ever, just with terrible endurance. (Of course, the terrible endurance is a primary cause of the lack of exercise, although I've been getting more exercise now that I have services and can therefore expend the mental energy to exercise.) However, I'm not sure how reliable my estimate of my own physical strength is. I've lifted things I " shouldn't " be able to lift, and been told that this isn't a good idea. I've also shown such a resistance to common sense about where to stop in this area that police once thought I was on PCP. (It's even in my psych record somewhere that I used PCP, even though I never have.) > Hyperactivity and stimming are natural defenses against becoming too > sedentary. > They should not be medicated away, they are gifts and we should use them! > They are nature's way of telling you it is time to MOVE YOUR BODY! I'm very sedentary, but I stim a lot. In fact, I sometimes stim past my level of endurance. > I am in much better shape now that I get my exercise dancing > and bicycling than I ever was when I was in my teens or twenties. I'm trying to see if I can ride a bicycle again (balance problems were interfering with that for awhile too, but I want to see how much of that was neuroleptic withdrawal and how much of that may have stayed). If I can't, I'd like a three-wheel recumbent bike, although I can't afford one currently. I did just take a walk around the apartments (right before reading this post on exercise <grin>), which I am hoping will add some toward exercise. I have to walk a fine line between being so sedentary it leads to loss of stamina and doing so much it leads to crashing and being sedentary. When I was younger (and before stamina problems showed up), I used to be able to walk or bicycle and rarely or never stop. I got a *lot* more exercise as a kid than I do now. -- " Humans aren't logical. They just think they are. " -Chuen Chan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Hi, > > >>Many on the spectrum have impaired coordination and slow reflexes, >>which >>tends to make us do very badly in sports. When most exercise for >>kids is >>offered in the form of team sports, autistic kids are likely to be >>excluded >>or consigned to the bench. That is sadly true and it means that it makes us stand out like a saw thumb. At my School it was worse as we had Houses (that was like you see in Harry Potter) Where each group performed against each other. If you let down your House you got a severe kicking. You also had the humiliation of the House Master getting on you back and shouting at you. We don't get much exercise sitting on >>the bench. >>In a game like baseball, if you can't hit the ball you won't be >>running >>around many bases. Been there and done that and I was usually last to be picked for the Teams and if the Teacher had to chose then the kids would really take it out of me. Mainly cause they did not want me on their team full stop. That was when I learned to toughen up. It was in the Showers after School that the Bullying was worse. They used to have the wet towel game where you got a belting off the wet towels or they would hide an item of your clothing such as socks or pants, pants are undergarments here for Men. If you can't catch, the other fielders will run >>in front of you >>to catch the ball before you can get to it. Thus one can be >>effectively >>excluded even when " allowed " to play. We have to compete for the >>right to get >>enough exercise and many of us cannot do that. I sure couldn't >>when I was >>growing up. > The only time I saved the day was when I was put in goal. Because of my AS I went the wrong way to the way that was predicted and thus saved the ball. I even for the first time got everyone shouting and holding me up as I saved the day cause it was 1-1 and they needed me to save the ball. >>Being the shortest kid in the class didn't help either. > I was tall but lanky and uncoordinated. I think I was bow legged as well which stopped me stopping a ball. Also in basketball I tried my best but I just could not co-ordinate so my height was of little advantage. >Trying to remember team sports in school. > >The one I most recall clearly first happening is soccer (football). >I >got the " kicking the ball " part. I did not understand much more of >the >game. I am the same. I never did get football or rules of sport at all. The teachers used to get very annoyed with me as I just did not seem to comprehend where to stand or what to do when I was there. I would run for the ball and try to kick it. I was good at >kicking it and good at drop-kicking it. I knew nothing of positions >and >barely anything of rules. > Yes I could belt the ball out like nobodies business, but usually it ended up as an own goal LOL >Naturally, I was picked last, although I barely even noticed I was >picked last and wasn't bothered by it. In a way this is good because many NT Kids are so upset if they are picked last. The reason for this is that they see it as going down in the Social Pecking Order. The whole point of the Social Pecking Order is to establish who is cool and who is not. It is natural as to survive in this world we have leaders and we have followers. To NT Kids being picked last is the worst thing that can happen. It shows that they let down their class mates and are considered really low in the scheme of things. The thing I was most >bothered by >were people who got between me and the ball, and the general chaos on >the field. > LOL I used to hold the Rugby ball and run with it, but hardly knew where I was running too. >I got a lot of exercise as a kid climbing things. I think I climbed >things since I was 3 or earlier. Particularly trees. Never fell >out of >a tree until I was 19 years old. (My coordination was starting to >get >very messed up.) > Same here except I did find that I was good on my Bike and also as a very small child I used to peddle a car all over the place and my legs became very strong. >I really did do okay in at least some sports as a kid. Not great, >but >not terrible either. > I got an E in sports but there was an F and even a fail grade. So I did not do bad myself. Many far more able kids used to skive off or forget their kit. >>It also appears that some of us have to exercise a lot longer and >>harder >>than NTs to get the same amount of muscle development. The upside >>is that >>things atrophy more slowly as well. We may even age more slowly. > I believe that is so. Nomatter how hard I worked out and how much I ate I always have burned up a lot of energy leaving me still thin. >I'd be interested in this -- I'd never noticed, except that at the >level >of (non-) exercise I get now I would think I would be a lot >physically >weaker. Instead, I seem to be almost as physically strong as ever, >just >with terrible endurance. (Of course, the terrible endurance is a >primary cause of the lack of exercise, although I've been getting >more >exercise now that I have services and can therefore expend the mental >energy to exercise.) I have been to gyms and even tried to get into Swimming, but the will power goes. My upper body strength is crap. I find it very hard to do chin ups for example. Its like there is no strength in my upper body at all. >However, I'm not sure how reliable my estimate of my own physical >strength is. I've lifted things I " shouldn't " be able to lift, and >been >told that this isn't a good idea. I've also shown such a resistance >to >common sense about where to stop in this area that police once >thought I >was on PCP. (It's even in my psych record somewhere that I used PCP, >even though I never have.) I have gained amazing strength when threatened. I once threw a 22 stone bouncer down a flight of stairs cause he elbowed me in the face and yet I was little more than 11 stones. >>Hyperactivity and stimming are natural defenses against becoming >>too >>sedentary. >>They should not be medicated away, they are gifts and we should >>use them! >>They are nature's way of telling you it is time to MOVE YOUR BODY! > Have to agree with that as well. Although being too hyper can leave us restless later on in life. >I'm very sedentary, but I stim a lot. In fact, I sometimes stim >past my >level of endurance. > The only stimming I do now is slapping or the hand flapping and to be honest the hand flapping makes me feel content and happy. >>I am in much better shape now that I get my exercise dancing >>and bicycling than I ever was when I was in my teens or twenties. > I am buying a Play Station 2 with eyecam. Because you can interact with the games. I was round my brothers that has one and found that you can kick the characters as you appear on the screen and at the same time because you have to move you work out. >I'm trying to see if I can ride a bicycle again (balance problems >were >interfering with that for awhile too, but I want to see how much of >that >was neuroleptic withdrawal and how much of that may have stayed). >If I >can't, I'd like a three-wheel recumbent bike, although I can't afford >one currently. > I avoid this as its against the law to ride your bike on the pavement. So what is left is on the busy roads and drivers are not curt ious when it comes to each other let alone someone who is slow trying to ride a bike. >I did just take a walk around the apartments (right before reading >this >post on exercise <grin>), which I am hoping will add some toward >exercise. I have to walk a fine line between being so sedentary it >leads to loss of stamina and doing so much it leads to crashing and >being sedentary. > I try and walk too and from Town. >When I was younger (and before stamina problems showed up), I used >to be >able to walk or bicycle and rarely or never stop. I got a *lot* more >exercise as a kid than I do now. > Same here but then again we have more energy as children. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 >> wrote: >> Trying to remember team sports in school. >> >> The one I most recall clearly first happening is soccer (football). >> I got the " kicking the ball " part. I did not understand much more of >> the game. I never had any problem understanding the rules or the object of the game. I knew exactly what I was supposed to do but couldn't get my body to do it in a timely fashion. >> I got a lot of exercise as a kid climbing things. I think I climbed >> things since I was 3 or earlier. Particularly trees. Never fell >> out of a tree until I was 19 years old. >> (My coordination was starting to get very messed up.) Autism isn't usually degenerative. Do you know what was causing that? > Same here except I did find that I was good on my Bike... Bike riding was the only exercise I got regularly when I was a kid that wasn't part of some phys ed program. I particularly liked to ride down the dirt roads because they were always nice and peaceful with no traffic and no people usually. I still do (though now with some concessions to comfort like full suspension). > I got an E in sports but there was an F and even a fail grade. The notion of grades in phys ed had fortunately never made it to our school systems. They *couldn't* fail anyone. I thought that was universal, and was aghast when I read on one of these lists that in some districts kids have been held back for failing phys ed. >>> It also appears that some of us have to exercise a lot longer and >>> harder >>> than NTs to get the same amount of muscle development. The upside >>> is that >>> things atrophy more slowly as well. We may even age more slowly. >> > > I believe that is so. Nomatter how hard I worked out and how much I > ate I always have burned up a lot of energy leaving me still thin. > >> I'd be interested in this -- I'd never noticed, except that at the >> level of (non-) exercise I get now I would think I would be a lot >> physically >> weaker. Instead, I seem to be almost as physically strong as ever, >> just >> with terrible endurance. (Of course, the terrible endurance is a >> primary cause of the lack of exercise, although I've been getting >> more exercise now that I have services and can therefore expend the >> mental energy to exercise.) It helps enormously if the exercise is esthetically pleasing. There is no way I would exercise as long or as hard in the gym as I do dancing to something that's really on or riding up the trails near here with their fabulous scenery. > I have been to gyms and even tried to get into Swimming, Gyms always have the yechy disgusting indoor pools that reek of chlorine. Who'd want to swim in one of those? The sea, if it's not too rough, or a nice lake, that's so much better. If the water's cold, swim faster! > but the will > power goes. My upper body strength is crap. I find it very hard to > do chin ups for example. Its like there is no strength in my upper > body at all. I've found splitting firewood to be far more satisfying than anything the gym has to offer in the way of upper-body exercise. Another favorite of mine is the inversion bar. This is a bar and a set of boots that allow one to comfortably hang up-side-down by one's feet and swing back and forth. Aside from helping to alleviate the effects of too much sitting, this is also a great stim! It can also be used for exercise in a number of ways. >> However, I'm not sure how reliable my estimate of my own physical >> strength is. I've lifted things I " shouldn't " be able to lift, and >> been told that this isn't a good idea. I've also shown such a resistance >> to >> common sense about where to stop in this area that police once >> thought I >> was on PCP. (It's even in my psych record somewhere that I used > PCP, >> even though I never have.) > > I have gained amazing strength when threatened. I once threw a 22 > stone bouncer down a flight of stairs cause he elbowed me in the face > and yet I was little more than 11 stones. > >>> Hyperactivity and stimming are natural defenses against becoming >>> too >>> sedentary. >>> They should not be medicated away, they are gifts and we should >>> use them! >>> They are nature's way of telling you it is time to MOVE YOUR BODY! >> > > Have to agree with that as well. Although being too hyper can leave > us restless later on in life. > >> I'm very sedentary, but I stim a lot. In fact, I sometimes stim >> past my >> level of endurance. >> > > The only stimming I do now is slapping or the hand flapping and to be > honest the hand flapping makes me feel content and happy. > ...we have more energy as children. That's the oddest part. I seem to have more stamina *now* than I even recall having then. Ride the Music AndyTiedye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 In a message dated 8/8/2003 12:57:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nourse@... writes: > It also appears that some of us have to exercise a lot longer and harder > than NTs to get the same amount of muscle development. The upside is that > things atrophy more slowly as well. We may even age more slowly. > i find this interesting, as i seem to age slowly, yes. i am eldest of four children and look younger, i am told this, than all of them, yes, (i have developmental delay and uneven development written in mine charts) Nicollette is six but looks like a three year old. as those mine nephews look younger as well. but we have a genetic mutation that is seen in Rett Syndrome and many of them appear younger than their true age as was noted by researchers, yes. one Rett Syndrome girl woman i met who is 24 years of age looks like 15 years of age at most, yes. Juli ASD mother to Nicollette Rett Syndrome w/autism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 > >> The one I most recall clearly first happening is soccer (football). > >> I got the " kicking the ball " part. I did not understand much more of > >> the game. > I never had any problem understanding the rules or the object of the > game. I knew exactly what I was supposed to do but couldn't get my > body to do it in a timely fashion. The thing I mostly remember that with was swimming. I knew in theory how it was supposed to work, sometimes even thought I was doing it right, but really am and always have been a terrible swimmer. > >> I got a lot of exercise as a kid climbing things. I think I climbed > >> things since I was 3 or earlier. Particularly trees. Never fell > >> out of a tree until I was 19 years old. > >> (My coordination was starting to get very messed up.) > Autism isn't usually degenerative. Do you know what was causing that? A combination of things. I do seem to be one of the (smallish?) subgroup of autistic people who lose some motor skills over time (there's a mailing list on Topica about that and similar things), and after that started happening (along with sensory haywireness) I also got hit with four years worth of neuroleptics, often at overdose levels. Either one of those alone could do it, so I'm guessing both would be sufficient. A few other things could also be affecting that. One reason I'm curious about testing myself again with that and the bike is that I've now been *off* of neuroleptics for four years and have regained some cognitive skills, so possibly might regain some motor skills as well. > > Same here except I did find that I was good on my Bike... > Bike riding was the only exercise I got regularly when I was a kid > that wasn't part of some phys ed program. I particularly liked to > ride down the dirt roads because they were always nice and peaceful > with no traffic and no people usually. I still do (though now with > some concessions to comfort like full suspension). I liked bike riding as well. And skiing, roller skating, and skateboarding as well. (Skateboarding, however, I never got up the courage to go off jumps.) Very active kid I was even though I was a bookworm; very blobular adult now. > > I have been to gyms and even tried to get into Swimming, > Gyms always have the yechy disgusting indoor pools that reek of chlorine. > Who'd want to swim in one of those? The sea, if it's not too rough, > or a nice lake, that's so much better. If the water's cold, swim faster! To each their own, I guess. Last time I swam in the ocean it was downright frightening because I could barely walk afterwards. (After trying to get back to the car up a bunch of stairs, change " barely " to " not " .) I do hate chlorine and like the ocean, but I like to stay alive, too. And I'm an awful swimmer. > > but the will > > power goes. My upper body strength is crap. I find it very hard to > > do chin ups for example. Its like there is no strength in my upper > > body at all. > I've found splitting firewood to be far more satisfying than anything > the gym has to offer in the way of upper-body exercise. Splitting firewood is great. Chinups are impossible. > Another favorite of mine is the inversion bar. This is a bar and a > set of boots that allow one to comfortably hang up-side-down by one's > feet and swing back and forth. Aside from helping to alleviate the > effects of too much sitting, this is also a great stim! It can also > be used for exercise in a number of ways. Where do they have these? They sound interesting. > > ...we have more energy as children. > That's the oddest part. I seem to have more stamina *now* than I > even recall having then. I have way less than I should, even taking into account the ordinary decrease in stamina since childhood. I have a diagnosis of chronic fatigue syndrome, but I still wonder if it's just the strain of having to process so many things consciously in order to function that there's not much energy left. I was just rereading Gunilla Gerland's _A Real Person_ (currently a contender for favorite autistic autobiography), and while her difficulties with stamina are slightly different from mine, they do possibly contain a lot of common elements. She talks about how she has to consciously tell her body to stand, for instance, and therefore she can't stand for extended periods. I do find at times that when the necessity of processing as many things consciously is reduced, I gain stamina. -- " Saying someone has the mind of a child based on their IQ score is like calling them a cat because they can't fly. " -A M Baggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 I always got picked first, probably only because I was bigger than everyone else, but I couldn’t play worth a damn. I played basketball in high school PE and was always getting busted for being “in the key”. I didn’t even know what “the key” was! I got an “F” in wrestling because I wanted to wrestle, and they wanted me to keep score because I was a “girl”, so I didn’t do anything! I played football (American, not Soccer or Rugby), again because I was bigger and people got the hell out of my way. Up until I was fifteen I ran everywhere I went, until someone told me that I was drawing attention to myself, and I quit. Now I never run, not even when chased (I have a fight response, no flight). I used to climb trees too, until I decided one day that I would fall and kill myself if I kept it up. I am very strong, and have always been. People used to tell me that I would get a hernia whenever I lifted something heavy, so I would tell them that women don’t get hernias, and they shut up. I do stim a lot; but I never notice until my husband tells me to quit. I am constantly moving my legs, quickly tightening the muscles and then releasing them over and over, which rocks the bed/couch and annoys hubby. I like to use my muscles, which is probably why I am constantly taking my minivan apart and putting it back together. Right now I am changing the power steering unit (it howls; that’s my story anyway). Hubby wants a recumbent bike, too. He thinks it would be easier on his back. I just hate riding bicycles, period. My oldest son and I have mapped out a 2-mile walking pattern and we walk it three times a week, since we are both getting seriously overweight (he should weigh about 130, and weighs 168. I should weigh about 155, and weigh 186. Louis From: Trying to remember team sports in school. The one I most recall clearly first happening is soccer (football). I got the " kicking the ball " part. I did not understand much more of the game. I would run for the ball and try to kick it. I was good at kicking it and good at drop-kicking it. I knew nothing of positions and barely anything of rules. Naturally, I was picked last, although I barely even noticed I was picked last and wasn't bothered by it. The thing I was most bothered by were people who got between me and the ball, and the general chaos on the field. I got a lot of exercise as a kid climbing things. I think I climbed things since I was 3 or earlier. Particularly trees. Never fell out of a tree until I was 19 years old. (My coordination was starting to get very messed up.) > It also appears that some of us have to exercise a lot longer and harder > than NTs to get the same amount of muscle development. The upside is that > things atrophy more slowly as well. We may even age more slowly. I'd be interested in this -- I'd never noticed, except that at the level of (non-) exercise I get now I would think I would be a lot physically weaker. Instead, I seem to be almost as physically strong as ever, just with terrible endurance. (Of course, the terrible endurance is a primary cause of the lack of exercise, although I've been getting more exercise now that I have services and can therefore expend the mental energy to exercise.) However, I'm not sure how reliable my estimate of my own physical strength is. I've lifted things I " shouldn't " be able to lift, and been told that this isn't a good idea. I've also shown such a resistance to common sense about where to stop in this area that police once thought I was on PCP. (It's even in my psych record somewhere that I used PCP, even though I never have.) > Hyperactivity and stimming are natural defenses against becoming too > sedentary. > They should not be medicated away, they are gifts and we should use them! > They are nature's way of telling you it is time to MOVE YOUR BODY! I'm very sedentary, but I stim a lot. In fact, I sometimes stim past my level of endurance. > I am in much better shape now that I get my exercise dancing > and bicycling than I ever was when I was in my teens or twenties. I'm trying to see if I can ride a bicycle again (balance problems were interfering with that for awhile too, but I want to see how much of that was neuroleptic withdrawal and how much of that may have stayed). If I can't, I'd like a three-wheel recumbent bike, although I can't afford one currently. I did just take a walk around the apartments (right before reading this post on exercise <grin>), which I am hoping will add some toward exercise. I have to walk a fine line between being so sedentary it leads to loss of stamina and doing so much it leads to crashing and being sedentary. When I was younger (and before stamina problems showed up), I used to be able to walk or bicycle and rarely or never stop. I got a *lot* more exercise as a kid than I do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 wrote: >The one I most recall clearly first happening is soccer (football). I >got the " kicking the ball " part. I did not understand much more of the >game. I would run for the ball and try to kick it. I was good at >kicking it and good at drop-kicking it. I knew nothing of positions and >barely anything of rules. I spent some seasons of high school in the gym hitting a tennis ball against a wall. That was because the outside courts were required for those with coordination. :-/ I did like field hockey in the fall, because I got to be outside then. The only way to do it was to be in a team, so I was on the " color squad, " the lowest of the low. I didn't know the rules (I remember there was something called " being offsides " that would bring the game to a halt; never figured out what it was), but I enjoyed being fullback because mostly I stood around on my own, looking at the way the leaves were changing on the trees around the field. The one time the " color squad " played an actual game against a team from another school (or maybe it was just the only time I was involved in such a game), the coach put me in -- with no notice at all -- as halfback, a position with which I was totally unfamiliar. It required that I run madly up and down the field, back and forth, as fast as possible, without rest, usually in a crowd of other people all of whom wielded wooden sticks. Needless to say, I contributed nothing at all to the game! >I really did do okay in at least some sports as a kid. Not great, but >not terrible either. The only " sport " I ever did well at was archery. Again, I enjoyed being outside. And it was something one did on one's own, although other people would be doing it nearby. The first year I did it, I wasn't much good. But I thought about it over the summer, and the next year I was able to do it much better. I had " practiced " in my mind all that I had learned the first year. Unfortunately, I then was assigned to the top team (there was a name for it....can't remember) and we went on to win the division championship. It was the only time that school had ever won any championship in anything. As soon as the competitive pressure started, I lost interest in archery and refused to do it any more. Drove the archery instructor into alternating rage and despair that he couldn't get me back to help " us " " defend our title. " >However, I'm not sure how reliable my estimate of my own physical >strength is. I've lifted things I " shouldn't " be able to lift, and been >told that this isn't a good idea. I've also shown such a resistance to >common sense about where to stop in this area that police once thought I >was on PCP. (It's even in my psych record somewhere that I used PCP, >even though I never have.) My upper-body strength is lousy. If I try to lift as much as 40 pounds, I'm liable to do in my lower back. But even very light loads I can't carry for more than a block without bringing on muscle spasms and (therefore) a headache. It's tiresome, but I've adapted by using a waist pack instead of a backpack (and by using the car for my major grocery run every week). I do " weight-trainng " type exercises for my upper body, using such light weights that any " trainer " type person would be contemptuous, I'm sure. My goal is to keep from detriorating, not to build up muscle mass. Other than that, I walk. I've heard that swimming is the perfect exercise, but I'm not a good swimmer and I have sensory issues with it, so I walk. Walking is what works for me. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 AndyTiedye wrote: >Another favorite of mine is the inversion bar. This is a bar and a >set of boots that allow one to comfortably hang up-side-down by one's >feet and swing back and forth. Aside from helping to alleviate the >effects of too much sitting, this is also a great stim! It can also >be used for exercise in a number of ways. I have an inversion swing where I hang from the hips. Very comfortable. And like , I loved roller skating as a child. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Oh, yes! Love that! Louis From: AndyTiedye I've found splitting firewood to be far more satisfying than anything the gym has to offer in the way of upper-body exercise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 In school I was almost always last picked (talking jr high right now) because I was short skinny and not very coordinated. Sometime between the middle of 8th grade or so and my freshman year of high school, though, I developed something that almost resembled coordination, and became a very aggressive player, so in high school I was in the middle for when I was picked. Now if we play a team sport among my friends, and we pick teams (rare, usually we just kind of divide it up) I'm among the first picked...I'm still not great at basketball, for example, which is our usual sport, but I tend to make up for what I lack in size and ability with speed and aggression. Almost all my friends who do this are male, and while I am a girl, apparently I " play like a guy " -so whoever has me on their team essentially has one extra player who's VERY good at defense, but who no one will guard because they're being male chauvenists or chivalrous or whatever term they choose to use for it. THe only sport I am actually GOOD at is tumbling/trampoline. ITs a great vestibular stim, good proprioceptive, and an individual thing. I'm not the least bit talented (unless not getting dizzy is a talent...), but I am stubborn enough that I got to quite a high level. Kassiane the rambler < RE: Finally ... a cure! I always got picked first, probably only because I was bigger than everyone else, but I couldn't play worth a damn. I played basketball in high school PE and was always getting busted for being " in the key " . I didn't even know what " the key " was! I got an " F " in wrestling because I wanted to wrestle, and they wanted me to keep score because I was a " girl " , so I didn't do anything! I played football (American, not Soccer or Rugby), again because I was bigger and people got the hell out of my way. Up until I was fifteen I ran everywhere I went, until someone told me that I was drawing attention to myself, and I quit. Now I never run, not even when chased (I have a fight response, no flight). I used to climb trees too, until I decided one day that I would fall and kill myself if I kept it up. I am very strong, and have always been. People used to tell me that I would get a hernia whenever I lifted something heavy, so I would tell them that women don't get hernias, and they shut up. I do stim a lot; but I never notice until my husband tells me to quit. I am constantly moving my legs, quickly tightening the muscles and then releasing them over and over, which rocks the bed/couch and annoys hubby. I like to use my muscles, which is probably why I am constantly taking my minivan apart and putting it back together. Right now I am changing the power steering unit (it howls; that's my story anyway). Hubby wants a recumbent bike, too. He thinks it would be easier on his back. I just hate riding bicycles, period. My oldest son and I have mapped out a 2-mile walking pattern and we walk it three times a week, since we are both getting seriously overweight (he should weigh about 130, and weighs 168. I should weigh about 155, and weigh 186. Louis From: Trying to remember team sports in school. The one I most recall clearly first happening is soccer (football). I got the " kicking the ball " part. I did not understand much more of the game. I would run for the ball and try to kick it. I was good at kicking it and good at drop-kicking it. I knew nothing of positions and barely anything of rules. Naturally, I was picked last, although I barely even noticed I was picked last and wasn't bothered by it. The thing I was most bothered by were people who got between me and the ball, and the general chaos on the field. I got a lot of exercise as a kid climbing things. I think I climbed things since I was 3 or earlier. Particularly trees. Never fell out of a tree until I was 19 years old. (My coordination was starting to get very messed up.) > It also appears that some of us have to exercise a lot longer and harder > than NTs to get the same amount of muscle development. The upside is that > things atrophy more slowly as well. We may even age more slowly. I'd be interested in this -- I'd never noticed, except that at the level of (non-) exercise I get now I would think I would be a lot physically weaker. Instead, I seem to be almost as physically strong as ever, just with terrible endurance. (Of course, the terrible endurance is a primary cause of the lack of exercise, although I've been getting more exercise now that I have services and can therefore expend the mental energy to exercise.) However, I'm not sure how reliable my estimate of my own physical strength is. I've lifted things I " shouldn't " be able to lift, and been told that this isn't a good idea. I've also shown such a resistance to common sense about where to stop in this area that police once thought I was on PCP. (It's even in my psych record somewhere that I used PCP, even though I never have.) > Hyperactivity and stimming are natural defenses against becoming too > sedentary. > They should not be medicated away, they are gifts and we should use them! > They are nature's way of telling you it is time to MOVE YOUR BODY! I'm very sedentary, but I stim a lot. In fact, I sometimes stim past my level of endurance. > I am in much better shape now that I get my exercise dancing > and bicycling than I ever was when I was in my teens or twenties. I'm trying to see if I can ride a bicycle again (balance problems were interfering with that for awhile too, but I want to see how much of that was neuroleptic withdrawal and how much of that may have stayed). If I can't, I'd like a three-wheel recumbent bike, although I can't afford one currently. I did just take a walk around the apartments (right before reading this post on exercise <grin>), which I am hoping will add some toward exercise. I have to walk a fine line between being so sedentary it leads to loss of stamina and doing so much it leads to crashing and being sedentary. When I was younger (and before stamina problems showed up), I used to be able to walk or bicycle and rarely or never stop. I got a *lot* more exercise as a kid than I do now. 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Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Miko715@... danced around singing: >i find this interesting, as i seem to age slowly, yes. I've always looked substantially younger than my age, according to what other people say and how they treat me. I'm often asked questions that suggest the person thinks I'm about 15 - 16 years old (like " have you started driver's education yet? " or " so, this is your first or second year in high school? " ) but I am now 26! DeGraf ~*~ http://www.sonic.net/mustang/moggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 < Re: Finally ... a cure! Miko715@... danced around singing: >i find this interesting, as i seem to age slowly, yes. I've always looked substantially younger than my age, according to what other people say and how they treat me. I'm often asked questions that suggest the person thinks I'm about 15 - 16 years old (like " have you started driver's education yet? " or " so, this is your first or second year in high school? " ) but I am now 26! I get asked these kinds of questions too. SOmeone at the airport asked me what grade I was in, someone else asked me if I was an unaccompanied minor. And at a tumbling meet, someone asked me if I was going to try out for the freshman or JV cheerleading squad, meaning they thought I was in 8th grade. I'm going to be 21 in November, and yet I get asked about FRESHMAN CHEERLEADING! (and the answer, btw, is not no but hell no-I like to flip, but I am NO cheerleader. Not at all). Kassiane _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Hi, If there is one thing I do have, it's good upper-body strength. Being in a wheelchair will do that to a person. RE: Finally ... a cure! Oh, yes! Love that! Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 My brother’s (CP) arms used to almost as big as my thighs from walking on his crutches. He doesn’t use his crutches anymore, just his wheelchair. His arm sized decreased rapidly. Now he can’ t even move his wheelchair. I used to try to wheel myself around in his chair; that is some really hard work! Louis From: Newstead Hi, If there is one thing I do have, it's good upper-body strength. Being in a wheelchair will do that to a person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Hi, I'm in a motorized wheelchair myself, but my arms still get a great deal of use, since I do a lot of pushing, pulling and what have you to transfer from the chair to bed, or from the chair to the toilet. I also have to frequently pull myself to a standing position to reach things in the cabinets in my apartment. I've noticed, though, that when I have to rely on a regular, non-motorized chair, I have far more trouble pushing it than I once did. Of course, those E & J hospital chairs were never easy to begin with, especially outdoors. RE: Finally ... a cure! My brother's (CP) arms used to almost as big as my thighs from walking on his crutches. He doesn't use his crutches anymore, just his wheelchair. His arm sized decreased rapidly. Now he can' t even move his wheelchair. I used to try to wheel myself around in his chair; that is some really hard work! Louis From: Newstead Hi, If there is one thing I do have, it's good upper-body strength. Being in a wheelchair will do that to a person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 i like splitting logs. you hit a satisfying rhythm, and i love the cra cking sound and the feel of the axe sliding through as you hit the sweet spot. i like the crisp air and the feeling of my body getting warm. i like the smell the timber releases in contrast to the sweat of manual labour. the whole thing is a pleasure to me. Subject: RE: Finally ... a cure! Oh, yes! Love that! Louis From: AndyTiedye I've found splitting firewood to be far more satisfying than anything the gym has to offer in the way of upper-body exercise. __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 > The thing I mostly remember that with was swimming. I knew in theory > how it was supposed to work, sometimes even thought I was doing it > right, but really am and always have been a terrible swimmer. I picked up the easiest strokes quickly enough, but never could get the " crawl " . That simply exceeded my coordination ability and I always ended up sucking water after a few strokes. I took swimming lessons for years to try to get it, but it never happened. I can do the sidestroke or backstroke just fine and can go on for a couple of miles. >> >> I got a lot of exercise as a kid climbing things. I think I climbed >> >> things since I was 3 or earlier. Particularly trees. Never fell >> >> out of a tree until I was 19 years old. > >> >> (My coordination was starting to get very messed up.) > >> Autism isn't usually degenerative. Do you know what was causing that? > > A combination of things. I do seem to be one of the (smallish?) > subgroup of autistic people who lose some motor skills over time > (there's a mailing list on Topica about that and similar things), and > after that started happening (along with sensory haywireness) I also got > hit with four years worth of neuroleptics, often at overdose levels. Are those places immune from malpractice suits or something? > Either one of those alone could do it, so I'm guessing both would be > sufficient. A few other things could also be affecting that. > One reason I'm curious about testing myself again with that and the bike > is that I've now been *off* of neuroleptics for four years and have > regained some cognitive skills, so possibly might regain some motor > skills as well. Dancing seems to have done good things for my coordination. >> > Same here except I did find that I was good on my Bike... > >> Bike riding was the only exercise I got regularly when I was a kid >> that wasn't part of some phys ed program. I particularly liked to >> ride down the dirt roads because they were always nice and peaceful >> with no traffic and no people usually. I still do (though now with >> some concessions to comfort like full suspension). > > I liked bike riding as well. And skiing, roller skating, and > skateboarding as well. (Skateboarding, however, I never got up the > courage to go off jumps.) Very active kid I was even though I was a > bookworm; very blobular adult now. I am coming to realize that we have even more reasons to need to be physically active than NTs do. >> > I have been to gyms and even tried to get into Swimming, > >> Gyms always have the yechy disgusting indoor pools that reek of chlorine. >> Who'd want to swim in one of those? The sea, if it's not too rough, >> or a nice lake, that's so much better. If the water's cold, swim >> faster! > > To each their own, I guess. Last time I swam in the ocean it was > downright frightening because I could barely walk afterwards. (After > trying to get back to the car up a bunch of stairs, change " barely " to > " not " .) I do hate chlorine and like the ocean, but I like to stay > alive, too. And I'm an awful swimmer. > >> > but the will >> > power goes. My upper body strength is crap. I find it very hard to >> > do chin ups for example. Its like there is no strength in my upper >> > body at all. > >> I've found splitting firewood to be far more satisfying than anything >> the gym has to offer in the way of upper-body exercise. > > Splitting firewood is great. Chinups are impossible. > >> Another favorite of mine is the inversion bar. This is a bar and a >> set of boots that allow one to comfortably hang up-side-down by one's >> feet and swing back and forth. Aside from helping to alleviate the >> effects of too much sitting, this is also a great stim! It can also >> be used for exercise in a number of ways. > > Where do they have these? They sound interesting. Places like " Relax the Back " sell them. They install in a doorway. There is also a table version which is bulkier but easier to use. >> > ...we have more energy as children. >> That's the oddest part. I seem to have more stamina *now* than I >> even recall having then. > > I have way less than I should, even taking into account the ordinary > decrease in stamina since childhood. I have a diagnosis of chronic > fatigue syndrome, but I still wonder if it's just the strain of having > to process so many things consciously in order to function that there's > not much energy left. Was that diagnosis before or after they stuffed you with neuroleptics? > I was just rereading Gunilla Gerland's _A Real Person_ (currently a > contender for favorite autistic autobiography), and while her > difficulties with stamina are slightly different from mine, they do > possibly contain a lot of common elements. She talks about how she has > to consciously tell her body to stand, for instance, and therefore she > can't stand for extended periods. I do find at times that when the > necessity of processing as many things consciously is reduced, I gain > stamina. That makes perfect sense to me. Ride the Music AndyTiedye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 AndyTiedye wrote: >I picked up the easiest strokes quickly enough, but never could get the > " crawl " . That simply exceeded my coordination ability and I always >ended up sucking water after a few strokes. I took swimming lessons >for years to try to get it, but it never happened. I can do the sidestroke >or backstroke just fine and can go on for a couple of miles. Same for me. Never could do the crawl without getting discombobulated and inhaling water. My " best " stroke is the sidestroke, but I do a personal variant that would not be accepted by any purist. It's the way my body parts are willing to move so as to keep me afloat and moving through the water, and that's enough for me. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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