Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Mcs is not anywhere near as big as the dairy industry. Why did you say " nuff said " at the end? I think this message has to get out in order for raw milk to be un-villified. -sal > Sally, in response to this statement you had: > > > st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } > I doubt anyone will fund a study or film documentary on this because > there is NO CORPORATE MONEY TO BE MADE and the risk to a HUGE (mega > Huge) elite controlled industry. > > > > > > The director of the absorbing documentary film " Supersize Me " took on the HUGE Mc's industry all by himself! Corporations kvetched against the movie, naturally, including Mc's. After the movie premiered though, McD quietly pulled it's " Will you want to Supersize that? " and rolled out " premium " salads though they're chockful of sugar yet. There was no corporate $$ involved in the making of the movie (at least I don't think so) and it got the representative of a huge powerful food-related lobby fired after he was interviewed in the movie. 'Nuff said! ;-) > > > > Sara > > > > > Sara Rheault > Owner > Remembering Our Angels > www.rememberingourangels.com > sara@r... > " Come check it out! " > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 I would like to see the hard data supporting this. I am not pro or con, just not a reg user, but have over many years seen scare hollers about things that are actually ill researched. If I am asked I like to give good data. ww.MajestyFarm.com It must be obvious that liberty necessarily means freedom to choose foolishly as well as wisely; freedom to choose evil as well as good; freedom to enjoy the rewards of good judgment, and freedom to suffer the penalties of bad judgment. If this is not true, the word " freedom " has no meaning. – Ben Moreell From: Dady Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:29 PM To: RawDairy Subject: Re: Microwave & Politics Sally, Microwaves are bad bad bad. Using microwaves on plastic will release dioxins from the plastic into whatever it is touching. I wouldn;t be surprised if it is weaking the plastic of your baby bottles and causing the plastic to leach dioxins into the milk once you put the milk in. I would be really cautious. Anything baby should not touch anything microwaved. Here is a little excerpt from a great article on microwaves. It's about baby formulas and microwaves. And then following is " Ten Reasons to Throw Out Your Microwave. " Sorry for the length, but I get motivated to action when I hear anyone defending the use of this toxic machine... D. Microwaves unsafe for baby's milk A number of warnings have been made public, but have been barely noticed. For example, Young Families, the Minnesota Extension Service of the University of Minnesota, published the following in 1989: " Although microwaves heat food quickly, they are not recommended for heating a baby's bottle. The bottle may seem cool to the touch, but the liquid inside may become extremely hot and could burn the baby's mouth and throat. Also, the buildup of steam in a closed container, such as a baby bottle, could cause it to explode. Heating the bottle in a microwave can cause slight changes in the milk. In infant formulas, there may be a loss of some vitamins. In expressed breast milk, some protective properties may be destroyed. Warming a bottle by holding it under tap water, or by setting it in a bowl of warm water, then testing it on your wrist before feeding may take a few minutes longer, but it is much safer. " Dr. Lee of Hawaii reported in the December 9, 1989 Lancet: " Microwaving baby formulas converted certain trans-amino acids into their synthetic cis-isomers. Synthetic isomers, whether cis-amino acids or trans-fatty acids, are not biologically active. Further, one of the amino acids, L-proline, was converted to its d-isomer, which is known to be neurotoxic (poisonous to the nervous system) and nephrotoxic (poisonous to the kidneys). It's bad enough that many babies are not nursed, but now they are given fake milk (baby formula) made even more toxic via microwaving. " Ten Reasons to Throw out your Microwave Oven From the conclusions of the Swiss, Russian and German scientific clinical studies, we can no longer ignore the microwave oven sitting in our kitchens. Based on this research, we will conclude this article with the following: 1). Continually eating food processed from a microwave oven causes long term - permanent - brain damage by " shorting out " electrical impulses in the brain [de-polarizing or de-magnetizing the brain tissue]. 2). The human body cannot metabolize [break down] the unknown by-products created in microwaved food. 3). Male and female hormone production is shut down and/or altered by continually eating microwaved foods. 4). The effects of microwaved food by-products are residual [long term, permanent] within the human body. 5). Minerals, vitamins, and nutrients of all microwaved food is reduced or altered so that the human body gets little or no benefit, or the human body absorbs altered compounds that cannot be broken down. 6). The minerals in vegetables are altered into cancerous free radicals when cooked in microwave ovens. 7). Microwaved foods cause stomach and intestinal cancerous growths [tumors]. This may explain the rapidly increased rate of colon cancer in America. 8). The prolonged eating of microwaved foods causes cancerous cells to increase in human blood. 9). Continual ingestion of microwaved food causes immune system deficiencies through lymph gland and blood serum alterations. 10). Eating microwaved food causes loss of memory, concentration, emotional instability, and a decrease of intelligence. Have you tossed out your microwave oven yet? On Oct 12, 2004, at 6:48 PM, RawDairy wrote: Message: 1 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:52:39 -0000 Subject: Re: Microwave & Politics HUH? After the water is boiled in the milk jug, pour it out and dry. If the container is 100% clean there will be nothing in it. Microwaves rotate water molecules, since H2O is H2O before & after, and there is no change there is no change. This microwave effect is different than the microwave effects on carbon:carbon & other carbon bonds. (Most living matter is made of C H N O P S and there are all kinds of bonding & tetrahedarally shaped bonding orbitals that bring chirality into play. Something else is going on with funny taste but it sure can't have anything to do with a clean boiled water rinse. -sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 I know that the molecules are extremely excited after microwaving. I have read to wait several minutes before ingesting, as this activity can mess with your own molecular structure. I would *assume* what is happening, is that the water is reacting to the tea being added due to increased molecular activity...resulting in a *fizz* effect. Sorry I don't have better scientific terms to describe what I am trying to say, I think you'll get the gist though! Blessings, -AngelKirkland Washington I wonder if anyone else can duplicate or has noticed something I find very interesting but no one can explain to me. And, yes, I can repeat it every time I do it.What I have noticed is this: When I make a cup of tea at home, since I do not have a microwave (actually I do, but we have no electric, so it amounts to the same thing), I boil the water on the stove in a glass teapot. I then pour the hot water over the tea bag and brew it for a while to make tea (I know, I am stating the obvious here, but I want to make the point clear.). Now, when I go to the office, I take some tea bags, from the very same box of bags that I use at home, so that I can have my tea-fix there, as well. But, at the office, there is only a microwave to use to get hot water. So, I fill my mug (which I have used at home for this, too) with water and heat it in the microwave to boiling. I remove the mug with the hot water and insert the tea bag and -- the water fizzes! This does not happen with the stove-boiled water, but does happen every time I use the microwave.I had wondered about the chlorine difference, but the water at the office is run through a Brita-filtered pitcher, which is supposed to remove that. But, maybe it doesn't. Has anyone else ever noticed anything like this? Is there something obvious I am overlooking? Have I nothing better to do with my time than to think about this sort of thing?I asked a friend of mine who is a professor of geophysics and he has no answer -- other than that I am imagining it. (Of course, after he said that I repeated it at his house, with his microwave, and it fizzed there, too. He then said, and I quote, "Hmm.")It's not important to life, the universe or anything, but just thought I'd bring it up, since this thread was wandering through the list.CliffWycliffe Community Farm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 In response to So, I fill my mug (which I have used at home for this, too) with water and heat it in the microwave to boiling. I remove the mug with the hot water and insert the tea bag and -- the water fizzes! This does not happen with the stove-boiled water, but does happen every time I use the microwave. While I cant help you solve the problem, I can tell you that I too have had that happen with microwaved water. I stopped using the microwave for tea over a year ago and forgot that actually happenedbut it does. And I never have that problem now with my stove boiled water. HMMMMM? ~Candace My Inbox is protected by SPAMfighter298 spam mails have been blocked so far.Download free SPAMfighter today! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 10/8/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.776 / Virus Database: 523 - Release Date: 10/12/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Sara, It's known as " Superheating " . . . heating liquids above their boiling points. As I recall in chemistry class that was why we used boiling chips in the smooth glass beakers when seperating compounds and identifying chemicals. We still wore goggles. Microwaves should come with safety goggles http://educate- yourself.org/cn/2001/cnmicrowaveovensuperheating21mar01.shtml http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/superheating.html Tony From Minnesota where RAW dairy is sold legally at the farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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