Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Just as some further pespective, the Red RIver flooring of 1992 was also over a month long. With homes under water this long just as in NOLA Mold and muck certainly was just as much of a problem in homes back then as it is now in NOLA. But mold was not a "hot issue" like it is today. I am not aware of any published public health studies that claiming health problems in people returning to their home back then. There is at least one published mold (settled plate) study that was done.over a 3 month period showing decreasing levels in a test home.It wlll be intertesting to see if someone performs a prospective epi study on returning people to find out if there is any long term health implications.BOB Hi Bob, That is the million dollar question: Why are people becoming ill with respiratory illnesses after an excessive exposure to mold today and they weren't in the early 90's. Is it just that people are more aware? I don't think so. If you had massive "Red River Cough", whether they made the connection to mold or not, it seems to me, there would have been documentation of increased respiratory illness after the flood. I don't believe there was, that I am aware. Look at this article regarding Valley Fever. In Arizona, it has a 330% increase in incidence since 1990. This one cannot be explained by current construction standards/materials that have gotten wet. Something is out of kelter between what happened in Red River in 1992, and what is happening in New Orleans today. What is it? Sharon Valley fever continues to rise in Arizonahttp://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=4135904 & nav=HMO6PHOENIX Valley fever infections continue to climb in Arizona.Health officials say half of all cases in the country are now being contracted in Maricopa County.Researchers are still trying to figure out why the number of cases keeps growing.This year, 33-hundred cases of the airborne fungal disease are expected to be reported, compared to less than one-thousand annually during the 1990s.An epidemiologist with Arizona Department of Health Services says next to the flu and sexually transmitted diseases, Valley fever is the most commonly reported infectious disease in Arizona.Valley fever is caused by a fungus in desert soil.When dirt is kicked up by digging or from wind, construction or dust storms _ the fungus releases spores that, when inhaled, can lead to infection.___On the Net:Valley Fever Center for Excellence: http://www.vfce.arizona.edu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Bob, I worked for USDA and another agency involving the Red River Floods. The biological test information (over 3,000 samples) was given to the agency I was hired by. Unique to the Grand Forks community are many farms, with considerable amount of them cattle and pig farms. The results of my study of 3-4 months directly after flooding reported very high levels of mold in buildings and gram negative bacteria. I was fortunate to return to the area six months later and repeat parts of the study which found outdoor control levels to be higher than expected. As a disclaimer, I wanted to check the community seasonally over two years to determine statistically valid baseline values and I was not funded to complete that study. -----Original Message-----From: iequality [mailto:iequality ] On Behalf Of snk1955@...Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 8:26 AMTo: iequality Subject: Re: New Orleans Area Environmental Quality Test Results-New Orlea... Just as some further pespective, the Red RIver flooring of 1992 was also over a month long. With homes under water this long just as in NOLA Mold and muck certainly was just as much of a problem in homes back then as it is now in NOLA. But mold was not a "hot issue" like it is today. I am not aware of any published public health studies that claiming health problems in people returning to their home back then. There is at least one published mold (settled plate) study that was done.over a 3 month period showing decreasing levels in a test home.It wlll be intertesting to see if someone performs a prospective epi study on returning people to find out if there is any long term health implications.BOB Hi Bob, That is the million dollar question: Why are people becoming ill with respiratory illnesses after an excessive exposure to mold today and they weren't in the early 90's. Is it just that people are more aware? I don't think so. If you had massive "Red River Cough", whether they made the connection to mold or not, it seems to me, there would have been documentation of increased respiratory illness after the flood. I don't believe there was, that I am aware. Look at this article regarding Valley Fever. In Arizona, it has a 330% increase in incidence since 1990. This one cannot be explained by current construction standards/materials that have gotten wet. Something is out of kelter between what happened in Red River in 1992, and what is happening in New Orleans today. What is it? Sharon Valley fever continues to rise in Arizonahttp://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=4135904 & nav=HMO6PHOENIX Valley fever infections continue to climb in Arizona.Health officials say half of all cases in the country are now being contracted in Maricopa County.Researchers are still trying to figure out why the number of cases keeps growing.This year, 33-hundred cases of the airborne fungal disease are expected to be reported, compared to less than one-thousand annually during the 1990s.An epidemiologist with Arizona Department of Health Services says next to the flu and sexually transmitted diseases, Valley fever is the most commonly reported infectious disease in Arizona.Valley fever is caused by a fungus in desert soil.When dirt is kicked up by digging or from wind, construction or dust storms _ the fungus releases spores that, when inhaled, can lead to infection.___On the Net:Valley Fever Center for Excellence: http://www.vfce.arizona.edu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Question – since when did “increased inhaled molds = increased infectious illness� HI, As I understand it and according to your collegues in Arizona and the CDC, forever. CDC Mold | 2005 Mold Report - Chapter 5 - Potential Effects of Fungal Contamination on Health "Fungal Infections Infection with fungal species that contaminated buildings, building constituents, and the environment after Hurricanes Katrina and Rita is an important concern. In general, individuals with impaired host defenses (especially if impaired because of cell-mediated immunity or neutropenia) suffer the most severe types of fungal infections (Table 3). However, invasive fungal infections can also occur in individuals with normal host defenses and, in certain situations, can even be life threatening (Table 4)." Valley fever continues to rise in Arizonahttp://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=4135904 & nav=HMO6PHOENIX Valley fever infections continue to climb in Arizona. "An epidemiologist with Arizona Department of Health Services says next to the flu and sexually transmitted diseases, Valley fever is the most commonly reported infectious disease in Arizona.Valley fever is caused by a fungus in desert soil.When dirt is kicked up by digging or from wind, construction or dust storms _ the fungus releases spores that, when inhaled, can lead to infection." I get confused though. What is the difference between say, Valley Fever that they call an infection and Farmer's lung, that they call a hypersensitivity reaction? Wouldn't Farmer's lung simply be an infection of fungi in the lung? And Farmer's lung, if left untreated can become systemic with symptons indicative of serum sickness. So wouldn't that systemic manifestation of Farmer's lung be considered and systemic infection of fungi? Sharon Kramer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Sharon – Being in Northern AZ, we don’t see much Valley Fever up here, as it tends to be found at elevations below 3000 ft. There is a major building boom in this state. It would seem to make sense for an increase in the amount of Valley fever cases, as more developments = more dust = more release of spores, etc. as this fungus thrives in desert soils with low rainfall. See: http://www.vfce.arizona.edu/ for more info on Valley Fever. Stacey Champion Owner/Consultant Champion Indoor Environmental Services PO Box 3332 Cottonwood, AZ 86326 Tel. Fax sc@... From: iequality [mailto:iequality ] On Behalf Of snk1955@... Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:26 AM To: iequality Subject: Re: New Orleans Area Environmental Quality Test Results-New Orlea... In a message dated 11/18/2005 7:35:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, BobB@... writes: Just as some further pespective, the Red RIver flooring of 1992 was also over a month long. With homes under water this long just as in NOLA Mold and muck certainly was just as much of a problem in homes back then as it is now in NOLA. But mold was not a " hot issue " like it is today. I am not aware of any published public health studies that claiming health problems in people returning to their home back then. There is at least one published mold (settled plate) study that was done.over a 3 month period showing decreasing levels in a test home. It wlll be intertesting to see if someone performs a prospective epi study on returning people to find out if there is any long term health implications. BOB Hi Bob, That is the million dollar question: Why are people becoming ill with respiratory illnesses after an excessive exposure to mold today and they weren't in the early 90's. Is it just that people are more aware? I don't think so. If you had massive " Red River Cough " , whether they made the connection to mold or not, it seems to me, there would have been documentation of increased respiratory illness after the flood. I don't believe there was, that I am aware. Look at this article regarding Valley Fever. In Arizona, it has a 330% increase in incidence since 1990. This one cannot be explained by current construction standards/materials that have gotten wet. Something is out of kelter between what happened in Red River in 1992, and what is happening in New Orleans today. What is it? Sharon Valley fever continues to rise in Arizona http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=4135904 & nav=HMO6 PHOENIX Valley fever infections continue to climb in Arizona. Health officials say half of all cases in the country are now being contracted in Maricopa County. Researchers are still trying to figure out why the number of cases keeps growing. This year, 33-hundred cases of the airborne fungal disease are expected to be reported, compared to less than one-thousand annually during the 1990s. An epidemiologist with Arizona Department of Health Services says next to the flu and sexually transmitted diseases, Valley fever is the most commonly reported infectious disease in Arizona. Valley fever is caused by a fungus in desert soil. When dirt is kicked up by digging or from wind, construction or dust storms _ the fungus releases spores that, when inhaled, can lead to infection. ___ On the Net: Valley Fever Center for Excellence: http://www.vfce.arizona.edu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Question – since when did “increased inhaled molds = increased infectious illness”? N. Walsh Louisiana State University Health & Safety Officer twalsh@... From: iequality [mailto:iequality ] On Behalf Of snk1955@... Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:21 PM To: iequality Subject: Re: New Orleans Area Environmental Quality Test Results-New Orlea... In a message dated 11/18/2005 9:58:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, pmoffett@... writes: Bob, I worked for USDA and another agency involving the Red River Floods. The biological test information (over 3,000 samples) was given to the agency I was hired by. Unique to the Grand Forks community are many farms, with considerable amount of them cattle and pig farms. The results of my study of 3-4 months directly after flooding reported very high levels of mold in buildings and gram negative bacteria. I was fortunate to return to the area six months later and repeat parts of the study which found outdoor control levels to be higher than expected. As a disclaimer, I wanted to check the community seasonally over two years to determine statistically valid baseline values and I was not funded to complete that study. and , that makes sense. So, with New Orleans currently experiencing a situation where airborne molds are currently prevelant, why are they not making a correlation to increased inhaled molds = increased infectious illness? Mysterious Katrian Cough? Give me a break! , if what you noted is true, then why was there not a noted increase in respiratory illness at Red River, when there is now in construction areas of Arizona and the city of New Orleans? What was different at Red River? Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 Dr. Walsh, So glad to see somebody besides me, rants over the medical implications of this issue. Okay, now my turn: I need to clarify my previous post. I should have said – since when did “increased inhaled molds (necessarily) = increased infectious illnessâ€? Key word being “necessarilyâ€. So are you saying "Yes, it does cause infectios disease, but not always"? So does that mean that those who are experiencing the severe illnesses indicative of mycoses or mycotoxicoses after excessive mold and or mold toxin exposure should not be able to find viable medical treatment, because not everyone is as sick as they are? Can you determine which will necessarily and which will not necessarily experience these illnesses? What protocol would you use to either diagnose and treat or rule out, someone who is exhibiting symptoms indicative of mycoses or mycotoxicoses? Of course people are having allergic reactions, and yes data will eventually show that some infections (fungal, viral and bacterial) resulted from the clean-up, but do you suggest we halt or impede the clean-up. Not in the least. Right now the environment in New Orleans has to be cleaned up by someone. And, it's a given some will become sicker than others. All I am saying is it is not ethically correct, in my opinion, to pretend like these people are not legitimately ill with serious mold induced illness, simply because it is not financially feasible to acknowledge these illnesses... because of the increased financial liability the recognition of the cause of these illnesses creates in the courtrooms of America. (Don't mean to be harsh...just blunt, direct and truthful) If we are not or cannot protect these people from becoming ill, then for Godsakes, we ought to at least properly treat them when they become ill. What's happening instead is that when people experience mold and mycotoxin illness in the form of cognitive and neurological dysfunctions, it is being chalked up to stress and mistreated with antidepressants. When the illnesses progress into more severe physical manifestations, it is then being chalked up to stress on the immune system causing physical illness. The University of Mississippi, (my alma mater!) has grant money where ALLERGISTS from the ACAAI, are studying how the stress of Katrina is causing serious physical illness. And gee, do you think these symptoms of serious physical illness might be eerily similar to mycoses and mycotoxices? Give me a break! Some of you seem focused on some kind of conspiracy theory that the government is out to kill us all … maybe they are, but it isn’t going to be by mold in the air of New Orleans while a city and a state attempts to right itself after being knocked on it’s butt. Yes, New Orleans makes for quite a quandry in what is being denied as legitimate mold induced illnesses in an effort to limit liability in the courtrooms. Would not call it a conspiracy theory. Would call it a well strategized marketing campaign orchestrated by a couple of damn good political think tanks out of New York and DC. Could provide names, dates, supeoned emails, under oath testimonies, etc. But Jim would probably censor me if I did! It is a pretty easy trail to follow. In about Sept of 2001, an orchestrated effort was initiated by stakeholder industries to stifle medical understanding of mold induced illnesses in order to limit financial liability in the courtroom. It does not take a brain surgeon to follow the trail or understand the reason for the trail. Here is just one lovely little document indicative of the situation. It's from the National School Board Association. Addresses how when teachers and children complain of environmental illness brought on by negligent maintenance how to shut 'em down in court. NICE!!!!! http://www.nsba.org/site/docs/11400/11340.pdf Do you really believe everyone down here is so ignorant as to not take precautions to protect themselves? No, not everyone. Just those who are reading WebMD, listening to the braodcast CDC warning of "little evidence of illness from mold and mycotoxins." and those who speak English as second language and do whatever they are told so they can send money back to their families. You are not seriously trying to say that all residents who are in the process of cleaning up massive amounts of mold within their homes are aware of the need for N95 respirators, are you? Are you saying all the illegal aliens who have been brought in to do the grunt work are being provided with these as is recommended by OSHA, EPA, etc? Reasonable people, both returning residents and reputable contractors, are protecting themselves during the clean-up process from exposure to the many airborne contaminants in N.O. as well as other areas of the state impacted by the second hurricane (Rita). Of course there are people who choose to ignore the precautions and contractors who don’t protect their workers … what else is new. What else is new? How about the extreme illness some of these priorly healthy yet, uninformed workers and residents will soon have in their lives because there are "people who choose to ignore the precautions and contractors who don’t protect their workers". How about the increase in medical costs we will all bear because of the unnecessarily misdiagnosed and untreated illness brought on by those who choose to look the other way? As far as infections, keep in mind that hundreds of thousands of people who lost their homes have been crammed into shelters, homes and trailer parks for over 10 weeks under less than sanitary conditions in many cases. You can only imagine the stress they have been under that leaves, even the healthy immune system, compromised to some degree. Bingo! There's the mantra! That’s not even mentioning the people with existing illness. Then gradually they begin to clean-up which so far amounts to clearing a path/street to the destruction they once called home. Yesterday it was announced that banks would be foreclosing on over 100,000 home mortgages, most of which can’t be cleaned because they are uninhabitable or demolished. Respiratory distress? Ya Think?!!! Heck, I’d need to keep a paper bag nearby for when I hyperventilated every few minutes. So are you saying that inhaling, touching or digesting molds and mycotoxins should NOT be investigated and either treated or ruled out as a possibility of causation for these illnesses? What would be the medical professional's logic behind one chalking cognitive and neurological symptoms up to stress without investigating molds and mycotoxins as potential root of illness, when it has long been understood that these antigens can and do produce these symptoms? So yes, there are absolutely a large number of people with varying degrees of respiratory distress that cover the gamut. You can call it the media driven catch phrase “Katrina Cough†if you want, or you can call it what it is - a logical health symptom in the aftermath of a massive disaster during the restoration process. I prefer to call it "a logical health symptom in the aftermath of a massive disaster during the restoration process". So what are you all doing to address "these logical health symptoms in the aftermath of a massive disater during the restoration process"...besides handing out handfuls of Prozac and useless allergy medicine? I’m done ranting now. Thank you … Thank you very much … and goodnight. J Sigh of relief. N. Walsh Louisiana State University It's a huge problem in New Orleans. It is a given people will become ill while doing what is necessary to clean up this mess. But don't compound the devastation of Katrina by trying to sweep these legitimate and in many cases unaviodable illnesses under the rug of stress induced psychological problems. Teach the physicians how to recognize, diagnose and treat mycotic diseases. Now I am done ranting! Sharon Kramer Health & Safety Officer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 Sharon – Let’s please not forget about bacteria, dust, VOC’s, etc.; which is a point I’ve made several times. Tom made some very good points that were very realistic. I would be just as concerned about Hepatitis, as I would be about mold in that situation… S.C. Hey , Yes, I totally agree. Just because someone in New Orleans is sick, does not mean that it is mold or mycotoxin induced. At the same time, one cannot rule out this as the causation of illness without investigating it as the cause. Currently, it is not being investigated and the physicians are not being trained to investigate this - primarily, I am not talking of classic allergic reactions - I am talking of the cognitive and neurological that can be early signs indicative of serious mold/toxin induced illnesses, that if left untreated cause a vast aray of serious and sometimes permanently dilbilitating illness. It is ludicrous NOT to investigate this as a possible cause in light of the well documented poor air quality, excessive mold growth, from both within and without structures in New Orleans. There is a stigma for those who experience these illnesses, as they have been wrongly portrayed as simply feining illness in an attempt to gain money through litigation. There is a strong resistance and peer pressure within the medical community to look the other way regarding these illnesses. Please do not misunderstand. I am of the opinion the vast majority of physicians are honorable men doing what they think is right. But I also KNOW they are being barraged with much intentional mixed and misinformation of the matter. I am not really interested in paying for the increase in medical costs from all the unnecessary, MRI's, CT's, Bloodwork, AIDS tests, steriod - antidepressant prescriptions, etc that this situation is causing. Not to mention those who were priorly contributing members of society that are now a burden because their illnesses were allowed to progress. Are you? Here is a real simple question indicative of the situation: Why is the CDC NOT promoting the UConn Clinician's Guidance on Moisture & Mold in the Indoor Environment ? Teach the physicians how to recognize, diagnose and treat mycotic disease...or investigated it and rule it out. Sharon. PS. What are you doing responding to this? I thought you hated this line of posts! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 If the ambient or external levels of mould are so high, how can any building restored from flood damage be cleared by IAQ certification? Will this mean that nobody will or could provide clearance or will certification purely be based on comparisons which may not mean anything regarding a healthy environment? Could restoration be said to be a waste of time at the moment? Jeff Charlton London Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 Sharon – Let’s please not forget about bacteria, dust, VOC’s, etc.; which is a point I’ve made several times. Tom made some very good points that were very realistic. I would be just as concerned about Hepatitis, as I would be about mold in that situation… S.C. From: iequality [mailto:iequality ] On Behalf Of snk1955@... Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 11:52 AM To: iequality Subject: Re: New Orleans Area Environmental Quality Test Results-New Orlea... Dr. Walsh, So glad to see somebody besides me, rants over the medical implications of this issue. Okay, now my turn: In a message dated 11/19/2005 8:02:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, twalsh@... writes: I need to clarify my previous post. I should have said – since when did “increased inhaled molds (necessarily) = increased infectious illness”? Key word being “necessarily”. So are you saying " Yes, it does cause infectios disease, but not always " ? So does that mean that those who are experiencing the severe illnesses indicative of mycoses or mycotoxicoses after excessive mold and or mold toxin exposure should not be able to find viable medical treatment, because not everyone is as sick as they are? Can you determine which will necessarily and which will not necessarily experience these illnesses? What protocol would you use to either diagnose and treat or rule out, someone who is exhibiting symptoms indicative of mycoses or mycotoxicoses? Of course people are having allergic reactions, and yes data will eventually show that some infections (fungal, viral and bacterial) resulted from the clean-up, but do you suggest we halt or impede the clean-up. Not in the least. Right now the environment in New Orleans has to be cleaned up by someone. And, it's a given some will become sicker than others. All I am saying is it is not ethically correct, in my opinion, to pretend like these people are not legitimately ill with serious mold induced illness, simply because it is not financially feasible to acknowledge these illnesses... because of the increased financial liability the recognition of the cause of these illnesses creates in the courtrooms of America. (Don't mean to be harsh...just blunt, direct and truthful) If we are not or cannot protect these people from becoming ill, then for Godsakes, we ought to at least properly treat them when they become ill. What's happening instead is that when people experience mold and mycotoxin illness in the form of cognitive and neurological dysfunctions, it is being chalked up to stress and mistreated with antidepressants. When the illnesses progress into more severe physical manifestations, it is then being chalked up to stress on the immune system causing physical illness. The University of Mississippi, (my alma mater!) has grant money where ALLERGISTS from the ACAAI, are studying how the stress of Katrina is causing serious physical illness. And gee, do you think these symptoms of serious physical illness might be eerily similar to mycoses and mycotoxices? Give me a break! Some of you seem focused on some kind of conspiracy theory that the government is out to kill us all … maybe they are, but it isn’t going to be by mold in the air of New Orleans while a city and a state attempts to right itself after being knocked on it’s butt. Yes, New Orleans makes for quite a quandry in what is being denied as legitimate mold induced illnesses in an effort to limit liability in the courtrooms. Would not call it a conspiracy theory. Would call it a well strategized marketing campaign orchestrated by a couple of damn good political think tanks out of New York and DC. Could provide names, dates, supeoned emails, under oath testimonies, etc. But Jim would probably censor me if I did! It is a pretty easy trail to follow. In about Sept of 2001, an orchestrated effort was initiated by stakeholder industries to stifle medical understanding of mold induced illnesses in order to limit financial liability in the courtroom. It does not take a brain surgeon to follow the trail or understand the reason for the trail. Here is just one lovely little document indicative of the situation. It's from the National School Board Association. Addresses how when teachers and children complain of environmental illness brought on by negligent maintenance how to shut 'em down in court. NICE!!!!! http://www.nsba.org/site/docs/11400/11340.pdf Do you really believe everyone down here is so ignorant as to not take precautions to protect themselves? No, not everyone. Just those who are reading WebMD, listening to the braodcast CDC warning of " little evidence of illness from mold and mycotoxins. " and those who speak English as second language and do whatever they are told so they can send money back to their families. You are not seriously trying to say that all residents who are in the process of cleaning up massive amounts of mold within their homes are aware of the need for N95 respirators, are you? Are you saying all the illegal aliens who have been brought in to do the grunt work are being provided with these as is recommended by OSHA, EPA, etc? Reasonable people, both returning residents and reputable contractors, are protecting themselves during the clean-up process from exposure to the many airborne contaminants in N.O. as well as other areas of the state impacted by the second hurricane (Rita). Of course there are people who choose to ignore the precautions and contractors who don’t protect their workers … what else is new. What else is new? How about the extreme illness some of these priorly healthy yet, uninformed workers and residents will soon have in their lives because there are " people who choose to ignore the precautions and contractors who don’t protect their workers " . How about the increase in medical costs we will all bear because of the unnecessarily misdiagnosed and untreated illness brought on by those who choose to look the other way? As far as infections, keep in mind that hundreds of thousands of people who lost their homes have been crammed into shelters, homes and trailer parks for over 10 weeks under less than sanitary conditions in many cases. You can only imagine the stress they have been under that leaves, even the healthy immune system, compromised to some degree. Bingo! There's the mantra! That’s not even mentioning the people with existing illness. Then gradually they begin to clean-up which so far amounts to clearing a path/street to the destruction they once called home. Yesterday it was announced that banks would be foreclosing on over 100,000 home mortgages, most of which can’t be cleaned because they are uninhabitable or demolished. Respiratory distress? Ya Think?!!! Heck, I’d need to keep a paper bag nearby for when I hyperventilated every few minutes. So are you saying that inhaling, touching or digesting molds and mycotoxins should NOT be investigated and either treated or ruled out as a possibility of causation for these illnesses? What would be the medical professional's logic behind one chalking cognitive and neurological symptoms up to stress without investigating molds and mycotoxins as potential root of illness, when it has long been understood that these antigens can and do produce these symptoms? So yes, there are absolutely a large number of people with varying degrees of respiratory distress that cover the gamut. You can call it the media driven catch phrase “Katrina Cough” if you want, or you can call it what it is - a logical health symptom in the aftermath of a massive disaster during the restoration process. I prefer to call it " a logical health symptom in the aftermath of a massive disaster during the restoration process " . So what are you all doing to address " these logical health symptoms in the aftermath of a massive disater during the restoration process " ...besides handing out handfuls of Prozac and useless allergy medicine? I’m done ranting now. Thank you … Thank you very much … and goodnight. J Sigh of relief. N. Walsh Louisiana State University It's a huge problem in New Orleans. It is a given people will become ill while doing what is necessary to clean up this mess. But don't compound the devastation of Katrina by trying to sweep these legitimate and in many cases unaviodable illnesses under the rug of stress induced psychological problems. Teach the physicians how to recognize, diagnose and treat mycotic diseases. Now I am done ranting! Sharon Kramer Health & Safety Officer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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