RE: a question

[Guest guest]

Hi Rita,

1. Consult your physician to be approved for a light exercise regimen and

the latest copy of an 1800 calorie diabetic diet.

2. Eat three meals per day and one snack. Divide your callories in to

thirds and leave a little bit for a snack.

3. Do not do not do not do not do not do not skip meals.

4. Exercise regularly. Pace yourself. Don't try to conquer the world in a

day.

5. Remind me of this when I get weak.

*smile*

April

[Guest guest]

Rita, I lost about 70 pounds using a generalized low carbohydrate diet

before I became diabetic, and have just continued the diet. It is not

really a diet any longer, it is a way of life.

Low fat diets are quite in vogue, but the reality of them is that they

generally cause more problems than they fix and if you use a low fat diet

to lose weight, the weight will most often return.

If you modify your carbohydrates and add some exercise, you can easily lose

three to five pounds a week and not miss food because most low carb diets

do not limit your quantity or calories, just the kinds of food you eat.

Also, there are some factors that keep certain people from losing. Some

people cannot use caffeine and lose weight, their bodies simply will not

drop weight if they use any coffee or sodas with caffeine.

Other people find their weight loss stalled by using diet sodas that

contain aspartame, or Nutrisweet, because many have an allergy to aspartame

they do not know about.

Others find the phosphoric acid in other sodas to inhibit their weight

loss. Some others cannot drink tea, but this is covered in the caffeine

issue.

A good book for those wanting to lose weight and not worrying about

diabetes is the New Diet Revolution, by Atkins. After the induction period

of two weeks, the way of eating is actually pretty simple so long as you

stay away from the high carb foods like bread, rice, potatoes and pasta. I

know, everything you love, me too.

Exercise is a critical part of losing weight. This does not mean you must

run five miles a day nor work out on the Bowflex for three hours a day, but

you must get some, walking, stationary bicycle, weights, something for a

few minutes a day. The metabolism needs to be sped up and only exercise

can do this. I ride a recumbant bike while watching Star Trek reruns,

works really well. [smile]

Good luck,

Dan

[Guest guest]

Hi Rita,

April suggested getting a copy of an 1800 calorie diabetic diet plan.

Below is a copy of a plan given me just this past Monday written up by a

registered dietitian. I don't know if an 1800 calorie a day diet plan is

different for a woman but here's mine. An 1800 calorie plan presumes your

target weight is 180 pounds. Now, we need to find a food exchange list. I

got one several years ago, in braille, from the Materials Center, National

Federation of the Blind, but it got lost during a recent move. I have to get

another one. I think it costs about $10.

You are allowed 1800 calories/day

Breakfast : 4 carbohydrate choices (60 grams of carbohydrates) & 1 fat

Morning Snack Time : 1 carbohydrate (15 grams of carbohydrates)

Lunch Time : 3 carbohydrate choices (45 grams of carbohydrates), 2

vegetables, 2 oz of meat & 1 fat

Afternoon Snack : 2 carbohydrate choices (30 grams of carbohydrates) & 1 fat

Dinner Time : 3 carbohydrate choices (45 grams of carbohydrates), 2

vegetables, 3 oz of meat & 1 fat

Evening Snack Time : 2 carbohydrate choices (30 grams of carbohydrates) & 1

fat

[Guest guest]

Thank you April. Golly 1800 sounds like an awful lot of calories per

day. I lost 31lbs years ago on 900 calories.

Those were the days.

My Dr. has cleared me for any exercise program available.

Rita

[Guest guest]

Hi Rita,

According to the handbook handed out during my diabetes safe care class,

the number of calories allowed on a diet is ten times your target weight. As

I mentioned in another note, my target weight is 180 pounds and so I was

given an 1800 calorie diet plan. My wife, whose weight goal is 130 pounds,

was given a 1300 calorie diet plan. Now that I know this, I'll have to ask

the dietitian in my next class how many calories can I have once I reach my

goal.

[Guest guest]

Truth is, counting calories is completely irrelevant. The kinds of foods

eaten are far more important than paying any attention to the kinds of

calories.

Let's take a croissant with blackberry jam in it and a steak. No, not at

the same time, hang on there, be patient.

If we choose the right kind of steak, is there a wrong kind? Anyway, if we

size it right, they will have about the same number of calories.

However, there is a stark difference between them in how the body processes

the different foods.

The carbs in the croissant and jam will cause a sudden release of insulin,

even if you are a type two diabetic. This will drive the fat from hte

pastry into your body cells, causing you to gain weight and to get more fat

and cholesterol in the body.

On the other hand, the steak, having virtually no carbohydrates, will

trigger little or no release of insulin at all, and the fat will be

eliminated, while the protein will be absorbed if needed by the body.

The amount of metabolic energy needed to absorb protein is greater than

that needed to absorb the fats and carbs, so you end up gaining more weight

from the pastry in several different ways, even if it and the steak had the

same calorie count.

This is just an example, the body handles different food types so

differently that calorie counts are practically meaningless.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Dan this is really interesting. So it is more a question of types of

food rather than calories. hmmmm

Rita

[Guest guest]

I agree with you, Dan. Your position seems clear, factual, and logical to

me.

I am totally uninformed about nutrition and am trying to learn more. I

supplied the diet plan because it seemed wanted.

Personally, I view this diet plan I'm on as an opportunity to learn about

nutrition.

First, I don't know how much volume of food to eat and, so, following

this plan will teach me that. I generally eat healthily; however, I eat too

much and while I don't gain weight, I don't loose either.

Secondly, a diet plan forces me to learn how to judge foods by content.

Thirdly, I can begin tinkering with the diet, replacing carb exchanges

with protein, etc.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that this diet plan, whatever it's

title, is a start.

Now, let me ask you this: someone on the blind Atkins list, several

months ago, said that diabetics should not go on the Atkins diet if that

person has either liver or kidney problems because high protein diets could

damage these organs even more. What's your view on that, please?

Thanks,

Walt

RE: a question

Truth is, counting calories is completely irrelevant. The kinds of foods

eaten are far more important than paying any attention to the kinds of

calories.

Let's take a croissant with blackberry jam in it and a steak. No, not at

the same time, hang on there, be patient.

If we choose the right kind of steak, is there a wrong kind? Anyway, if we

size it right, they will have about the same number of calories.

However, there is a stark difference between them in how the body processes

the different foods.

The carbs in the croissant and jam will cause a sudden release of insulin,

even if you are a type two diabetic. This will drive the fat from hte

pastry into your body cells, causing you to gain weight and to get more fat

and cholesterol in the body.

On the other hand, the steak, having virtually no carbohydrates, will

trigger little or no release of insulin at all, and the fat will be

eliminated, while the protein will be absorbed if needed by the body.

The amount of metabolic energy needed to absorb protein is greater than

that needed to absorb the fats and carbs, so you end up gaining more weight

from the pastry in several different ways, even if it and the steak had the

same calorie count.

This is just an example, the body handles different food types so

differently that calorie counts are practically meaningless.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Walter, a low carb diet is definitely not recommended for people with liver

or kidney damage, no question. These people are in a delicate situation,

carbs are their enemy if they are diabetic, but so is protein as it could

further damage compromised liver or kidneys.

This is where even a type two may need small doses of insulin to counteract

the carbs they must eat. I do not envy them, but such situations can be

managed with care.

All diabetics must become the experts on their disease and their personal

response to all kinds of foods. No doctor will ever know as much about

your body and your particular diabetes as you do.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Thank you Walt. This will be helpful just to know the content of foods.

Rita

[Guest guest]

April, do you have a regular walking program? Do you or any of the folks

on this list ever walk with neighbors in a neighborhood walk support

group, say of seniors?

Rita

[Guest guest]

Hi, I too take Glucophage and insulin and seem to have good results with the

two together.I have lost about 55 lbs since the change in medicine. I love

to eat , however I seem to have better control now. I am 55 years old and

have had diabetes for 28 years and blind since 1990, my blindness is not

from diabetes. do not skip meals and snacks, that is dangerous. Regards,

Alice Gipson in Missouri

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> Hi everyone, I am a new member of this list. I am congenitally blind, not

> blind from diabetes, my diabetes is type two and I was diagnosed with it

> when I was 35. I am now 52 years old and have been insulin dependent

since

> '95. Recently my doctor told me that my body had become insulin resistant

> and I was put on Glucophage but continued on insulin. My question is how

> do I get myself motivated to diet? I love to eat and have always been

> overweight. I know that eating in the way that I do will kill me

> eventually, but that knowledge doesn't even seem to help appreciably. Any

> thoughts would be appreciated. Sincerely, LaWanda At 12:35 PM 11/5/01

> -0600, you wrote:

> >Hi April and Everyone,

> >April, you told me not to skip meals and how wise this advice is. I did

> >skip dinner last night and oh my goodness I sure made up for it and then

> >some this morning. Never a good idea. Even a small snack would have

> >been better.

> >

> >Also someone had suggested that many times one is thirst and not hungry.

> >That too was so true. I'm drinking lots more water and do feel better.

> >Dropping weight is a steady paced thing not an over nighter.

> >Rita

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for telling me about Weightwatchers, I didn't know it was available

on line now! I always hated going to meetings and didn't find that I

needed group support so much. You are right about the diet, I was on it in

'98, I think I will try it again. LaWandaAt 11:36 PM 11/5/01 +0000, you wrote:

>Hi Lawanda

>I am in a similar situation to you, having recently started using the

>internet I toook a look at Weight Watchers web site it is fairly easy to use

>with a screen reader I am now do ing well with weight watchers at home its

>available on audipo cassette and you can email them from the site and you

>dont have to go to classes its all done by post and phone thers even a cd

>rom available .

>The diet is very generous as its done on points and the more you weigh the

>more points you have.

>And a big bonus is diabetics can use it.

>The web site either

>www.weightwatchers.co.uk

>www.weightwatchers.com

>

>give a try

>Regards

>Margarita

>

> > Re: a question

> >

> >

> > Hi everyone, I am a new member of this list. I am congenitally

> > blind, not

> > blind from diabetes, my diabetes is type two and I was diagnosed with it

> > when I was 35. I am now 52 years old and have been insulin

> > dependent since

> > '95. Recently my doctor told me that my body had become insulin

> > resistant

> > and I was put on Glucophage but continued on insulin. My question is how

> > do I get myself motivated to diet? I love to eat and have always been

> > overweight. I know that eating in the way that I do will kill me

> > eventually, but that knowledge doesn't even seem to help

> > appreciably. Any

> > thoughts would be appreciated. Sincerely, LaWanda At 12:35 PM 11/5/01

> > -0600, you wrote:

> > >Hi April and Everyone,

> > >April, you told me not to skip meals and how wise this advice is. I did

> > >skip dinner last night and oh my goodness I sure made up for it and then

> > >some this morning. Never a good idea. Even a small snack would have

> > >been better.

> > >

> > >Also someone had suggested that many times one is thirst and not hungry.

> > >That too was so true. I'm drinking lots more water and do feel better.

> > >Dropping weight is a steady paced thing not an over nighter.

> > >Rita

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Glad to hear from you and to know that I am not the only one who loves to

eat. I have noticed that my appetite is a little less since starting to

take Glucophage. LaWandaAt 07:05 PM 11/5/01 -0600, you wrote:

>Hi, I too take Glucophage and insulin and seem to have good results with the

>two together.I have lost about 55 lbs since the change in medicine. I love

>to eat , however I seem to have better control now. I am 55 years old and

>have had diabetes for 28 years and blind since 1990, my blindness is not

>from diabetes. do not skip meals and snacks, that is dangerous. Regards,

>Alice Gipson in Missouri

> Re: a question

>

>

> > Hi everyone, I am a new member of this list. I am congenitally blind, not

> > blind from diabetes, my diabetes is type two and I was diagnosed with it

> > when I was 35. I am now 52 years old and have been insulin dependent

>since

> > '95. Recently my doctor told me that my body had become insulin resistant

> > and I was put on Glucophage but continued on insulin. My question is how

> > do I get myself motivated to diet? I love to eat and have always been

> > overweight. I know that eating in the way that I do will kill me

> > eventually, but that knowledge doesn't even seem to help appreciably. Any

> > thoughts would be appreciated. Sincerely, LaWanda At 12:35 PM 11/5/01

> > -0600, you wrote:

> > >Hi April and Everyone,

> > >April, you told me not to skip meals and how wise this advice is. I did

> > >skip dinner last night and oh my goodness I sure made up for it and then

> > >some this morning. Never a good idea. Even a small snack would have

> > >been better.

> > >

> > >Also someone had suggested that many times one is thirst and not hungry.

> > >That too was so true. I'm drinking lots more water and do feel better.

> > >Dropping weight is a steady paced thing not an over nighter.

> > >Rita

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Well, cut back on callories, sure, but get plenty of exercise, walk, run,

get a treadmill, stationary bike or something and exercise, it will help at

least that is what I am finding and that is what the literature says.

I was diagnosed with type II diabetes at the end of September, had a fasting

glucose of 242. I am now averaging a glucose of about 110 over the past

weeks, I have changed some eating habits, no sweets, no coke, less bread,

but for the most part that is about it, so far, but I have started using the

treadmill at least 20 minutes every day, some days only 10 minutes, but I

have been fairly regular, and my glucose has come down and down, and I am

certain that it is the exercise that is the most beneficial.

Since you use insulin take precautions, make sure you are not hypoglycemic

before exercise, you may be able to adjust your dose downward after you have

been getting the exercise for a while, but that is between you and your

doctor.

Your milage may vary.

Be active.

Rose Combs

rosecombs@...

Re: a question

Hi everyone, I am a new member of this list. I am congenitally blind, not

blind from diabetes, my diabetes is type two and I was diagnosed with it

when I was 35. I am now 52 years old and have been insulin dependent since

'95. Recently my doctor told me that my body had become insulin resistant

and I was put on Glucophage but continued on insulin. My question is how

do I get myself motivated to diet? I love to eat and have always been

overweight. I know that eating in the way that I do will kill me

eventually, but that knowledge doesn't even seem to help appreciably. Any

thoughts would be appreciated. Sincerely, LaWanda At 12:35 PM 11/5/01

-0600, you wrote:

>Hi April and Everyone,

>April, you told me not to skip meals and how wise this advice is. I did

>skip dinner last night and oh my goodness I sure made up for it and then

>some this morning. Never a good idea. Even a small snack would have

>been better.

>

>Also someone had suggested that many times one is thirst and not hungry.

>That too was so true. I'm drinking lots more water and do feel better.

>Dropping weight is a steady paced thing not an over nighter.

>Rita

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is strange, because when I saw my doctor on Friday he suggested I check

into Weight Watchers instead of going through the diabetic teaching program

at the hospital--it is based on insulin-dependent diabetes, and at this

point I am no where near being insulin-dependent. I have checked out the

WeightWatcher's site some, but am undecided about whether to do it online or

go to the meetings. My social life could use a boost, however, I like the

idea of doing it at home too.

My doctor says many of his type II diabetics have had good success on the

program and lose weight and keep their sugar under good control. Is any of

the literature accessible?

Rose Combs

rosecombs@...

Re: a question

>

>

> Hi everyone, I am a new member of this list. I am congenitally

> blind, not

> blind from diabetes, my diabetes is type two and I was diagnosed with it

> when I was 35. I am now 52 years old and have been insulin

> dependent since

> '95. Recently my doctor told me that my body had become insulin

> resistant

> and I was put on Glucophage but continued on insulin. My question is how

> do I get myself motivated to diet? I love to eat and have always been

> overweight. I know that eating in the way that I do will kill me

> eventually, but that knowledge doesn't even seem to help

> appreciably. Any

> thoughts would be appreciated. Sincerely, LaWanda At 12:35 PM 11/5/01

> -0600, you wrote:

> >Hi April and Everyone,

> >April, you told me not to skip meals and how wise this advice is. I did

> >skip dinner last night and oh my goodness I sure made up for it and then

> >some this morning. Never a good idea. Even a small snack would have

> >been better.

> >

> >Also someone had suggested that many times one is thirst and not hungry.

> >That too was so true. I'm drinking lots more water and do feel better.

> >Dropping weight is a steady paced thing not an over nighter.

> >Rita

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Folks,

I am still searching for good ideas for a low calorie breakfast, my most

difficult meal of the day. I'm not diabetic. I used to use Carnation

Slender. Now I can only find Carnation instant breakfast. I did lose 33

lbs with this product. Also I used to use an egg beater and beat in a

raw egg. Today, I'd be concerned about this. In those days I had two

meals a day and felt great and kept very busy. sigh.

Rita

[Guest guest]

Hi Folks,

Could anyone tell me some of the soups which are at least low to

medium in calories? I know of course about broths and such. But are

there some which are medium?

Rita who does not always want to cook and loves quick easy prepared

foods.

[Guest guest]

I don't know for sure but my best guess would be things like chicken

noodle, chicken rice and etc. I don't know how these stack as far as

calories are concerned, but there are also the s 97 percent fat

free soups like cream of mushroom and cream of chicken and broccoli

cheese. If you make these with nonfat milk, I think those might be okay as

well. Another thing to do is contact s directly at

www.campbellskitchen.com, go to their contact link and tell them what you

want to know. Good luck. LaWanda At 05:31 PM 11/6/01 -0600, you wrote:

>Hi Folks,

>Could anyone tell me some of the soups which are at least low to

>medium in calories? I know of course about broths and such. But are

>there some which are medium?

>

>Rita who does not always want to cook and loves quick easy prepared

>foods.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I tried WW for a while and it didn't work for me either, or I should say,

I didn't work for it. I wasn't motivated at the time to take the program

seriously. They were quite conscientious in providing Braille materials;

I still have them. I didn't get much from the group support component: it

was a lunch meeting downtown, and people just came in and left quickly. I

don't think I learned the names of any fellow members; it just wasn't

about that. My best weight-loss success, about ten years ago, was Take

Off Pounds Sensibly (TOPS). I wish it was still around. They provided

lots of support and encouraged you to do your own research about ways to

lose weight; they had no definite program and we took turns running the

meeting. They also had lots of goofy little contests which some might

find condescending, but I found motivating, and people were available to

call each other between meetings. I wish it was still around.

Masha Sten-Clanton

[Guest guest]

Dear Rita,

If you look for them, you can find condensed cream soups in a light version; I

think they are something like 98 percent fat free. Anyway, they're much lower

in fat than the regular ones anyway. You can get just about of the cream soups:

mushroom, broccoli, chicken, celery. 's has some, and so does Healthy

Choice. In addition to the cream soups, I'm sure there are others.

Regards,

Mindy

[Guest guest]

Any high fiber cereal--shredded wheat, Quaker Life, Special K are some--and

amazingly enough you can have an English muffin with a couple of pieces of

bacon, especially if cooked on a Foreman grill, or even in the oven

isn't too bad. My sister, who has lost 45 pounds on WW eats oatmeal and

uses egg substitutes. LaWanda09:17 PM 11/6/01 -0800, you wrote:

>I eat fruit yogart which is verry good and deffinetly helps females with

>certain infections. Also I drink milk every day. I myself could use other

>good breakfast ideas.

>At 02:22 PM 11/6/01 -0600, you wrote:

> >Hi Folks,

> >I am still searching for good ideas for a low calorie breakfast, my most

> >difficult meal of the day. I'm not diabetic. I used to use Carnation

> >Slender. Now I can only find Carnation instant breakfast. I did lose 33

> >lbs with this product. Also I used to use an egg beater and beat in a

> >raw egg. Today, I'd be concerned about this. In those days I had two

> >meals a day and felt great and kept very busy. sigh.

> >

> >Rita

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Rita,

You do know there is a sugar free Carnation Instant Breakfast.

And it's very good.

I just wish I could find it where I live.

The breakfast I eat no one would agree with here so I'll keep it too myself!

but it works for me.

it does include yoplait Light yogurt.

It contains fructose.

and it doesn't bother my blod sugar at all.

Another part of my breakfast is a breakfast burrito.

But I don't follow the low carb diet so maybe I'm talking out of turn here.

billie

RE: a question

> Hi Folks,

> I am still searching for good ideas for a low calorie breakfast, my most

> difficult meal of the day. I'm not diabetic. I used to use Carnation

> Slender. Now I can only find Carnation instant breakfast. I did lose 33

> lbs with this product. Also I used to use an egg beater and beat in a

> raw egg. Today, I'd be concerned about this. In those days I had two

> meals a day and felt great and kept very busy. sigh.

>

> Rita

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Margarita, how much is the ww at home cost? Is the cd rom accessible with

speech? I tried the ww by going to meetings for a while, and it didn't

seem to work out for me. Just curious. At 11:36 PM 11/5/01 +0000,

you wrote:

>Hi Lawanda

>I am in a similar situation to you, having recently started using the

>internet I toook a look at Weight Watchers web site it is fairly easy to use

>with a screen reader I am now do ing well with weight watchers at home its

>available on audipo cassette and you can email them from the site and you

>dont have to go to classes its all done by post and phone thers even a cd

>rom available .

>The diet is very generous as its done on points and the more you weigh the

>more points you have.

>And a big bonus is diabetics can use it.

>The web site either

>www.weightwatchers.co.uk

>www.weightwatchers.com

>

>give a try

>Regards

>Margarita

>

> > Re: a question

> >

> >

> > Hi everyone, I am a new member of this list. I am congenitally

> > blind, not

> > blind from diabetes, my diabetes is type two and I was diagnosed with it

> > when I was 35. I am now 52 years old and have been insulin

> > dependent since

> > '95. Recently my doctor told me that my body had become insulin

> > resistant

> > and I was put on Glucophage but continued on insulin. My question is how

> > do I get myself motivated to diet? I love to eat and have always been

> > overweight. I know that eating in the way that I do will kill me

> > eventually, but that knowledge doesn't even seem to help

> > appreciably. Any

> > thoughts would be appreciated. Sincerely, LaWanda At 12:35 PM 11/5/01

> > -0600, you wrote:

> > >Hi April and Everyone,

> > >April, you told me not to skip meals and how wise this advice is. I did

> > >skip dinner last night and oh my goodness I sure made up for it and then

> > >some this morning. Never a good idea. Even a small snack would have

> > >been better.

> > >

> > >Also someone had suggested that many times one is thirst and not hungry.

> > >That too was so true. I'm drinking lots more water and do feel better.

> > >Dropping weight is a steady paced thing not an over nighter.

> > >Rita

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I eat fruit yogart which is verry good and deffinetly helps females with

certain infections. Also I drink milk every day. I myself could use other

good breakfast ideas.

At 02:22 PM 11/6/01 -0600, you wrote:

>Hi Folks,

>I am still searching for good ideas for a low calorie breakfast, my most

>difficult meal of the day. I'm not diabetic. I used to use Carnation

>Slender. Now I can only find Carnation instant breakfast. I did lose 33

>lbs with this product. Also I used to use an egg beater and beat in a

>raw egg. Today, I'd be concerned about this. In those days I had two

>meals a day and felt great and kept very busy. sigh.

>

>Rita

>

>

>