Re: OT: TCM helps mental emotional issues/prices

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Hi , My own experience was that Bu Xin was the most dramatic improvement. I tried that first, and when I added F & E, I didn't notice much, frankly, which is why I'm only doing 5,3x a day of that. I get the impression that it might be more dramatic for pre-menopausal women.I didn't have any negative issues come up with Bu Xin, except when I started rationing it when my supply was down and I was waiting for my next order. (I'm not doing KPU yet, so I don't know how that factors in. With Lyme, every individual's response to toxins and their effect on the mental/emotional area is unique (both maddening and wonderful, I guess).We sure do get to face the high voltage live wires of our past issues with very little insulation, don't we? It's like a crash course to enlightenment, if we can survive it.Be well,Léna Lena, Cheryl and Thane, I have been taking Free and Easy Wanderer along with the KPU and I am finding a lot of negative emotions and depression surfacing. I think a lot of what I am feeling is stuff that I buried. Anyway, I read that the KPU is supposed to help depression etc. I don't know where all this stuff is coming from. I am wondering if it is the Free and Easy Wanderer. Did you find that you had these symptoms for awhile after starting it? I am about ready to give it up and go back to just the KPU. Do I need to add in the Bu Xin? Please help. > > > > So I started with a new doctor 4 weeks ago. He gave me UVBI, and > > supplements, and diet. I am doing it all faithfully and twice I > > have noticed marked improvements. It is enough improvement where I > > don't feel terrified of starting my part time tutoring job anymore. > > > > Before that, I had pretty much plateaued with no change for 2 or 3 > > months with rife, CS and supplements. I am not sure what exactly > > has been making me feel better, but diet (pureed fruits and veggies > > galore) and venus fly trap is what my gut feeling is telling me are > > really helping. > > > > I am also going to try the 9 weeks protocol of teasel, as well as > > very carefully try MMS2. MMS2 just makes so much sense to me that I > > am excited to try it. Both very cheap protocols. > > > > On a side note, anyone got any tips for dealing with anger/hatred? > > I got a lot of that going towards my family right now. I come home > > from elsewhere and I immediately get affected by the negative vibe > > in my house... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Lena, Cheryl and Thane, I have been taking Free and Easy Wanderer along with the KPU and I am finding a lot of negative emotions and depression surfacing. I think a lot of what I am feeling is stuff that I buried. Anyway, I read that the KPU is supposed to help depression etc. I don't know where all this stuff is coming from. I am wondering if it is the Free and Easy Wanderer. Did you find that you had these symptoms for awhile after starting it? I am about ready to give it up and go back to just the KPU. Do I need to add in the Bu Xin? Please help. > > > > So I started with a new doctor 4 weeks ago. He gave me UVBI, and > > supplements, and diet. I am doing it all faithfully and twice I > > have noticed marked improvements. It is enough improvement where I > > don't feel terrified of starting my part time tutoring job anymore. > > > > Before that, I had pretty much plateaued with no change for 2 or 3 > > months with rife, CS and supplements. I am not sure what exactly > > has been making me feel better, but diet (pureed fruits and veggies > > galore) and venus fly trap is what my gut feeling is telling me are > > really helping. > > > > I am also going to try the 9 weeks protocol of teasel, as well as > > very carefully try MMS2. MMS2 just makes so much sense to me that I > > am excited to try it. Both very cheap protocols. > > > > On a side note, anyone got any tips for dealing with anger/hatred? > > I got a lot of that going towards my family right now. I come home > > from elsewhere and I immediately get affected by the negative vibe > > in my house... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Hi Sue and Lena. I took Free and Easy and I had the same experience as Sue. I am still on Kpu Pyrroluria and just found out I have high levels of Homocysteine, which can cause heart attacks,strokes and methalation problems just like KPU. I just saw my doc last night and already feel better after new supps he gave me. CardioB,He also put me on Detoxamin and ACZ nano which will help with the heavy metals I am dumping and other toxins. Hugs Joyce Lena, Cheryl and Thane, I have been taking Free and Easy Wanderer along with the KPU and I am finding a lot of negative emotions and depression surfacing. I think a lot of what I am feeling is stuff that I buried. Anyway, I

read that the KPU is supposed to help depression etc. I don't know where all this stuff is coming from. I am wondering if it is the Free and Easy Wanderer. Did you find that you had these symptoms for awhile after starting it? I am about ready to give it up and go back to just the KPU. Do I need to add in the Bu Xin? Please help. > > > > So I started with a new doctor 4 weeks ago. He gave me UVBI, and > > supplements, and diet. I am doing it all faithfully and twice I > > have noticed marked improvements. It is enough improvement where I > > don't feel terrified of starting my part time tutoring job anymore. > > > > Before that, I had pretty much plateaued with no change for 2 or 3 > > months with rife, CS and supplements. I am not sure what exactly > > has been making me feel better, but diet (pureed fruits and veggies

> > galore) and venus fly trap is what my gut feeling is telling me are > > really helping. > > > > I am also going to try the 9 weeks protocol of teasel, as well as > > very carefully try MMS2. MMS2 just makes so much sense to me that I > > am excited to try it. Both very cheap protocols. > > > > On a side note, anyone got any tips for dealing with anger/hatred? > > I got a lot of that going towards my family right now. I come home > > from elsewhere and I immediately get affected by the negative vibe > > in my house... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Hi ,I've been thinking a lot about mental pain, as I've had a few bouts of it and I find that even experience hasn't made subsequent bouts any easier.The last darkness felt like pure chemistry. I mean, I know I have issues, many of which I've worked on extensively over the years, but this darkness felt like my brain was being hijacked, sometimes before I was even fully awake in the morning. It just wasn't old issues, but a negative matrix which could divert almost any thought into a downward direction.I've developed several strategies for dealing with this. When I can't stop the negativity, I can at least struggle to remember that it really isn't ME but a physical aspect of me. I can detox, expose myself to the mood-altering aromatherapies, like bergamot and lavender, (which cross the blood-brain barrier and even help calm alzheimer's agitation), and find full-chakra music like orchestral, piano, harp music that can move my mood upward somewhat. When my mind is most easily hijacked, when the outer daytime world isn't able to distract me,(after I've sincerely tried to confront what ails me directly first) I keep a small prayer-bead bracelet handy, even in bed. I have many affirmations, phrases, mantras, etc. which i repeat while passing the beads through my fingers. It seems to redirect the brain away from the negative slide and the kinesthetics of the fingers touching the beads reinforces the whole exercise. I can feel a steadying energy beneath it when I'm in waking state, and when I'm merely wakeful, trying to sleep, its monotony seems to pull me into sleep and past the mental pain. Doing this often seems to strengthen its power to get me past the goblins sooner. I don't think there's any one thing that can fix this. It may require introspection, facing old unresolved issues, talk therapy, emotional discharge, detoxing, and remedies like Bu Xin, basket-weaving, fingering 'prayer' beads, or knitting; whatever. A combination of a few of these, though can shift the mind, and contradicting the feeling of isolation these periods impose, by sharing with others who know how this goes, is really important. keep in touch, my friend. You're definitely not alone in this.Be well,Léna Lena, Cheryl and Thane, I have been taking Free and Easy Wanderer along with the KPU and I am finding a lot of negative emotions and depression surfacing. I think a lot of what I am feeling is stuff that I buried. Anyway, I read that the KPU is supposed to help depression etc. I don't know where all this stuff is coming from. I am wondering if it is the Free and Easy Wanderer. Did you find that you had these symptoms for awhile after starting it? I am about ready to give it up and go back to just the KPU. Do I need to add in the Bu Xin? Please help. > > > > So I started with a new doctor 4 weeks ago. He gave me UVBI, and > > supplements, and diet. I am doing it all faithfully and twice I > > have noticed marked improvements. It is enough improvement where I > > don't feel terrified of starting my part time tutoring job anymore. > > > > Before that, I had pretty much plateaued with no change for 2 or 3 > > months with rife, CS and supplements. I am not sure what exactly > > has been making me feel better, but diet (pureed fruits and veggies > > galore) and venus fly trap is what my gut feeling is telling me are > > really helping. > > > > I am also going to try the 9 weeks protocol of teasel, as well as > > very carefully try MMS2. MMS2 just makes so much sense to me that I > > am excited to try it. Both very cheap protocols. > > > > On a side note, anyone got any tips for dealing with anger/hatred? > > I got a lot of that going towards my family right now. I come home > > from elsewhere and I immediately get affected by the negative vibe > > in my house... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Hi , I see lots of people have already responded to you on this and I haven't read them yet but i'm going to reply now anyway. I'm really herxing from babesia right now so i'll keep it short. Your suspicion that its the Free n Easy freeing up old emotions is probably spot on. Its the expected result from free n easy. I'm not sure how much you're taking but it would probably be a good idea to reduce your dose. The liver can hold a lifetime's worth of negative/painful emotions and there's no need to flush them all out right now. I would suggest taking just one little tea pill a day (if you can tolerate that without too much negative experience), and stay at that dose until you are in a stronger place, then increase it slowly. Your experience is what makes Free n Easy so great. It clears everything that is

inhibiting the proper function of the liver whether it is emotional or toxic debris. But it can be painful as well. I think the important thing is to stay on the Free n Easy, but keep a low dose to where you are making progress on that front, but not so quickly that it adds stress to your body while you are working with other protocols such as KPU. Hope you're feeling better soon.

Thane

Subject: Re: OT: TCM helps mental emotional issues/pricesTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 9:24 PM

Lena, Cheryl and Thane,I have been taking Free and Easy Wanderer along with the KPU and I am finding a lot of negative emotions and depression surfacing. I think a lot of what I am feeling is stuff that I buried. Anyway, I read that the KPU is supposed to help depression etc. I don't know where all this stuff is coming from. I am wondering if it is the Free and Easy Wanderer. Did you find that you had these symptoms for awhile after starting it? I am about ready to give it up and go back to just the KPU. Do I need to add in the Bu Xin? Please help.> >> > So I started with a new doctor 4 weeks ago. He gave me UVBI, and > > supplements, and diet. I am doing it all faithfully and twice I > > have noticed marked improvements. It is enough improvement where I > > don't feel terrified of starting my part time tutoring job anymore.> >> > Before that, I had pretty much plateaued with no change for 2 or 3 > > months with rife, CS and supplements. I am not sure what exactly > > has been making me feel better, but diet (pureed fruits and veggies > > galore) and venus fly trap is what my gut feeling is telling me are > >

really helping.> >> > I am also going to try the 9 weeks protocol of teasel, as well as > > very carefully try MMS2. MMS2 just makes so much sense to me that I > > am excited to try it. Both very cheap protocols.> >> > On a side note, anyone got any tips for dealing with anger/hatred? > > I got a lot of that going towards my family right now. I come home > > from elsewhere and I immediately get affected by the negative vibe > > in my house...> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

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whoaaaaa, i'm glad to see these posts about free and easy.

yesterday, after a coil of about 10 secs, and on my fourth day of

free and easy (maybe i should call it enchained and onerous) i had

the most crushing experience of shame about everything in my life,

mortifying worthlessness, revulsion. like lena mentioned, i and

probably all of us have worked on our issues and inner growth for

many years. this was so beyond the existential emptiness or despair

and emotional exhaustion from years of being sick and isolated.

i had coiled for just a second on my right throat (perpetual ear

ache, swollen glands) but it is hard to believe that would have

triggered such horrifying emotions.

i realize i'd been really enjoying the taste of the f and e's, had

inched up in how many i was taking. thane thank you for the warning

about going slowly.

if i'm not too exhausted i use eft for a lot of stuff that comes up,

but i was so paralyzed i couldn't do it. i woke in the night with

dread. but this morning i am emotionally stable.

i'm so grateful you guys are here!

xoxoxo

susan in vt

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Hey ,It stands to reason that if a chemical like Ecstasy can arbitrarily make everything blissful and rosy (so I've been told) there are other chemicals that could take you in the opposite direction. Lyme is a weird Alice-in-wonderland place where we have to continually remind ourselves that what we're feeling in its thrall is simply not real.The Buddhists often speak of coming to grips with illusion, recognizing attachment for the trap that it is, and understanding the ephemeral nature of the world. Lyme is just Buddhist boot-camp, as far as I'm experiencing it. If it doesn't kill me, it should bring me to enlightenment eventually. :)Think of all the heros in all the fables who were faced with their own brand of shame, madness, and doubt. Be one of them. Don't let this Lymeshow get you down. Remember who you are, even when you can't remember. And remember, we're here for each other, to remind each other!Be well,Léna whoaaaaa, i'm glad to see these posts about free and easy. yesterday, after a coil of about 10 secs, and on my fourth day of free and easy (maybe i should call it enchained and onerous) i had the most crushing experience of shame about everything in my life, mortifying worthlessness, revulsion. like lena mentioned, i and probably all of us have worked on our issues and inner growth for many years. this was so beyond the existential emptiness or despair and emotional exhaustion from years of being sick and isolated. i had coiled for just a second on my right throat (perpetual ear ache, swollen glands) but it is hard to believe that would have triggered such horrifying emotions. i realize i'd been really enjoying the taste of the f and e's, had inched up in how many i was taking. thane thank you for the warning about going slowly. if i'm not too exhausted i use eft for a lot of stuff that comes up, but i was so paralyzed i couldn't do it. i woke in the night with dread. but this morning i am emotionally stable. i'm so grateful you guys are here! xoxoxo susan in vt

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Please explain free aned easy to me--I see it here often and wonder what type of substance could conjure such feelings.

Dea

To: Lyme_and_Rife From: darrahs@...Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:17:15 -0400Subject: Re: Re: OT: TCM helps mental emotional issues/prices

whoaaaaa, i'm glad to see these posts about free and easy.yesterday, after a coil of about 10 secs, and on my fourth day of free and easy (maybe i should call it enchained and onerous) i had the most crushing experience of shame about everything in my life, mortifying worthlessness, revulsion. like lena mentioned, i and probably all of us have worked on our issues and inner growth for many years. this was so beyond the existential emptiness or despair and emotional exhaustion from years of being sick and isolated.i had coiled for just a second on my right throat (perpetual ear ache, swollen glands) but it is hard to believe that would have triggered such horrifying emotions.i realize i'd been really enjoying the taste of the f and e's, had inched up in how many i was taking. thane thank you for the warning about going slowly.if i'm not too exhausted i use eft for a lot of stuff that comes up, but i was so paralyzed i couldn't do it. i woke in the night with dread. but this morning i am emotionally stable.i'm so grateful you guys are here!xoxoxosusan in vt

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Hi, in VT:

 

I am sure I shared this experience some time ago before  you were part of our forum family, but bears repeating right here.

 

One time I went to my chiropractor and he was trying a new technique/adjustment on my neck.  Immediately after the " crunch " I burst into tears.  Huge gulping sobs.  The funny things was it didn't hurt at all.  He explained that we store pain at certain points in our bodies.  I had been in a bad sledding accident in which my neck had been severly damaged.  The memory of that pain and trauma was stored....you guessed it....in my neck at the point of the damage from the accident.  When the chiropractor adjusted that particular spot in such a way to " get at it " out came the residual tears and fears.

 

This could explain why coiling your ear would bring about some emotional situation....who knows why, but your body may have stored some residual pain/fear/emotional stress right there.  I look at Free and Easy as the wandering EFT midget in our bodies.  Finding these little pockets of emotions and cracking them open.

 

Hang tough and keep chatting....there probably isn't anything you are experiencing that someone on here hasn't had to deal with.

 

Take care,

Cheryl

 

 

 

whoaaaaa, i'm glad to see these posts about free and easy.yesterday, after a coil of about 10 secs, and on my fourth day of free and easy (maybe i should call it enchained and onerous) i had the most crushing experience of shame about everything in my life,

mortifying worthlessness, revulsion. like lena mentioned, i and probably all of us have worked on our issues and inner growth for many years. this was so beyond the existential emptiness or despair and emotional exhaustion from years of being sick and isolated.

i had coiled for just a second on my right throat (perpetual ear ache, swollen glands) but it is hard to believe that would have triggered such horrifying emotions.i realize i'd been really enjoying the taste of the f and e's, had

inched up in how many i was taking. thane thank you for the warning about going slowly.if i'm not too exhausted i use eft for a lot of stuff that comes up, but i was so paralyzed i couldn't do it. i woke in the night with

dread. but this morning i am emotionally stable.i'm so grateful you guys are here!xoxoxosusan in vt

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Well, as we have a parasitic type disease (I consider thse parasites more than I

do an infection), and we are immune-compromised and subject to various parasites

(I consider some we know and most we don't) parasites can produce proteins that

mimic our own neurotransmitters and effectively manipulate behavior. This is

true of all parasites, because they're " parasites. " Toxiplasmosis in mice causes

them to not fear cats. They'll walk right up to it (which allows the rat to get

eaten and the parasite passed along. But in humans, which most of us probably

carry if we've had cats, it has also been studied in men and women--and it

causes different behavior.

A good example of manipulation of behavior is in the grasshopper carrying

nematomorph hairworm. If it carries this parasite, the parasite produces some

protein which makes the grasshopper hop in the water (and thus commit suicide)

at the exact moment the thing has matured and is ready to mate with other worms

in the water.

Now, you have to wonder: What is that grasshopper THINKING? Is it suicidal,

depressed, thinking there is no point to going on, or does the water look

inviting, like the gateway to eternal heaven? Or it just lost its footing there?

We don't think about how animals and insects think, we can only study behavior.

So, the essence of this, is that a few years ago when I learned all this, I

began to wonder if the emotions I thought were my own at all. I think on good

days when we feel " normal " we don't dwell, aren't depressed, aren't feeling

shame, etc. I now think of mental and emotional illness the same way I do

physical illnesss--that it's all pathogen induced. I decided to stop working

through issues and decided psychologists and anything along that line were a

waste for that reason. Basically I just got over them all. I gave less

importance to working through anything, and just suffered through them when they

came up, but really didn't " own " it as important or my own.

See http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7927

An interesting discussion on parasites:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=102.0

And tons more out there!

>

> > whoaaaaa, i'm glad to see these posts about free and easy.

> >

> > yesterday, after a coil of about 10 secs, and on my fourth day of

> > free and easy (maybe i should call it enchained and onerous) i had

> > the most crushing experience of shame about everything in my life,

> > mortifying worthlessness, revulsion. like lena mentioned, i and

> > probably all of us have worked on our issues and inner growth for

> > many years. this was so beyond the existential emptiness or despair

> > and emotional exhaustion from years of being sick and isolated.

> >

> > i had coiled for just a second on my right throat (perpetual ear

> > ache, swollen glands) but it is hard to believe that would have

> > triggered such horrifying emotions.

> >

> > i realize i'd been really enjoying the taste of the f and e's, had

> > inched up in how many i was taking. thane thank you for the warning

> > about going slowly.

> >

> > if i'm not too exhausted i use eft for a lot of stuff that comes up,

> > but i was so paralyzed i couldn't do it. i woke in the night with

> > dread. but this morning i am emotionally stable.

> >

> > i'm so grateful you guys are here!

> >

> > xoxoxo

> > susan in vt

> >

> >

>

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Have you heard of Dr Hamer in Germany? I think you would find his thoughts

interesting. Now he has a very good success rate and I truely do not like to

argue with results...... but .......

" Dr Hamer had an exceptionally high success rate with his cancer therapy, by

far the highest I have seen of any therapy. During one of several trials of the

persecuted Dr Hamer the public prosecutor (Wiener-Neustadt in Austria) had to

admit that after 4 to 5 years 6,000 out of 6,500 patients with mostly advanced

cancer were still alive. That is over 90%, almost a reversal of the results to

be expected after conventional treatment of advanced conditions. "

These theories apply to all illnesses, not just cancer.....and evidently work

on all serious illnesses........

Here is what he thinks of parasites and why we need them in our bodies and what

for........

http://www.newmedicine.ca/overview.php

The Ontogenetic System of Microbes

Dr. Hamer states that the biology of humans or animals is neither senseless nor

without a system; there are no meaningless or random cancerous growths and no

senseless or randomly occurring microbes. His research uncovered the following

natural laws:

1. The division of microbes: fungi - bacteria - viruses - correspond to their

phylogenetic age: the oldest are the fungi, then the bacteria and the

phylogenetically youngest are the viruses.

2. The division of microbes conforms to the germ-layer-correspondence of the

organs in which they function:

*

a) fungi and myco-bacteria work in the brain stem directed endodermal organs

*

the myco-bacteria and bacteria work in the mesodermal, cerebellar directed

organs, and the bacteria work in the cerebral medullar directed mesodermal

organs

* c) viruses work exclusively in the ectodermal organs directed by the cerebral

cortex.

3. All microbes without exception become active exclusively in the second phase,

the healing phase, starting with the conflicto-lysis (conflict resolution) and

ending with the completion of the healing phase; they work neither before nor

after. Before, they existed as a-pathogenic germs. During the healing phase,

they can be considered virulent, and after the healing phase, as a-pathogenic

germs again.

4. All microbes are more or less specialized, not only in view of the organs

they work on, but also in the way and style in which they work.

*

a) Fungi and myco-bacteria are a destruction crew, i.e. they destroy brain stem

directed tumours (adeno-carcinomas) and mesodermal, cerebellar directed tumours

(adenoid-carcinomas); more precisely: they caseate tumours controlled by the

old-brain starting at the moment of the conflicto-lysis (conflict resolution),

if it happens.

During the normotonia, the conflict-active sympathicotonic phase and in the

renewed normotonia (at the end of the healing phase), they are apathogenic,

therefore harmless. In the same way, they are harmless for all other organs!

*

Bacteria function as clean-up workers for organs directed by the

cerebellar-mesoderm and for mesodermal organs directed by the cerebral-medulla,

i.e. they work on the entire mesodermal organ domain, but with differentiable

function. They destroy the adenoidal tumours of the cerebellar mesoderm but they

rebuild the cerebral-mesoderm (medulla) directed cellular melt down of organs

such as necroses (osteolyses, etc. - suppurating-granulating-scarring). Their

work also begins with conflicto-lysis (conflict resolution) and ends at the end

of the healing phase, specifically with the beginning of the renewed normotonia.

*

c) Viruses are simply construction or reconstruction workers. They bring about

significant swelling and re-fill the ulcers and cellular substance losses of

organs directed by the cerebral cortex. Like the other microbes, they are only

active during the healing phase. In the case of squamous epithelium ulcers,

cures are brought about by viruses, as in tubular organs (i.e., bronchia,

coronary arteries or coronary veins, branchial arch ducts of the neck, the milk

ducts or intra-hepatic bile-ducts) and they become temporarily blocked by

swelling. In principle, the same occurs, but less drastically without virus such

as non-viral hepatitis.

5. Microbes, our helpers and companions, are directed by the brain. Microbes

have worked for us, not against us, as faithful servants over umpteen billions

of years of evolution.

Therapy:

As stated above, the system Dr. Hamer has pieced together has extraordinary

diagnostic and therapeutic success. Although the system stands traditional

medicine on its head, it does not invalidate many of its practices or most of

the knowledge that has been accumulated. We now have a good understanding of the

interconnections of all the knowledge and have reached sound and supportive

conclusions for patients.

The CT of a patient's brain in standard layers is currently one of the powerful

methods of diagnosis. Equipped with that, the few doctors who practise or are

allowed to practise German New Medicine can interpret a person's current state

of events. Further dialogue between the person and the physician or attending

practitioner can lead to working on the resolution of whatever conflicts may

still be in development.

For a situation arising with the conflict resolution or the healing phase, the

physician will be able to determine the seriousness of the potential healing

crisis and will assist with therapy during the recovery phase that may pose

dangers in many cases. Both medicine and alternative therapies are very well

equipped to help in these stages, aiming to restore the body to health with only

the absolutely necessary intervention required to prevent life threatening

situations.

It is fundamentally important that patients understand the way the body really

works, and how they can work with their practitioner-friend to restore health.

Here is more information about Dr Hamer and his protocol

The New Medicine of Dr Hamer

by Walter Last.

Dr Hamer had an exceptionally high success rate with his cancer therapy, by far

the highest I have seen of any therapy. During one of several trials of the

persecuted Dr Hamer the public prosecutor (Wiener-Neustadt in Austria) had to

admit that after 4 to 5 years 6,000 out of 6,500 patients with mostly advanced

cancer were still alive. That is over 90%, almost a reversal of the results to

be expected after conventional treatment of advanced conditions.

http://www.health-science-spirit.com/hamer.html

GERMAN NEW MEDICINE® (GNM)

Dr. Hamer's Medical Paradigm at a glance.

Numerous studies had already shown that cancer and other diseases are often

preceded by a traumatic event. But Dr.

Hamer took his research a momentous step further. Pursuing the hypothesis that

all bodily events are controlled from the brain, he analyzed his patients' brain

scans and compared them with their medical records. Dr. Hamer discovered that

every disease—not only cancer!—is controlled from its own specific area in the

brain and linked to a very particular, identifiable, " conflict shock " . The

result of his research is a scientific chart that illustrates the biological

relationship between the psyche and the brain in correlation with the organs and

tissues of the entire human body (the English " Scientific Chart of GNM " is in

the works).

http://www.learninggnm.com/documents/Explore%20GNM%20Website%20Update.pdf

INTRODUCTION TO GERMAN NEW MEDICINE

THE FIVE BIOLOGICAL LAWS.

GERMAN NEW MEDICINE is based on the medical findings of Dr. med. Ryke Geerd

Hamer. Dr. Hamer discovered FIVE BIOLOGICAL LAWS that explain the cause, the

development, and the natural healing of " diseases " based on universal biological

principles. According to these biological laws, so-called " diseases " are not, as

assumed, the result of malfunctions or malignancies of the organism but rather

" SIGNIFICANT BIOLOGICAL SPECIAL PROGRAMS OF NATURE " (SBS), created to assist an

individual during a period of emotional and psychological distress. Modern

Medicine views the human organism as a battle-ground with " killer cells " that

destroy " invading " microbes, and chemical or radioactive weapons aimed at

" malignant " cancer cells. It is a concept that is rooted in the tradition of

Christian- Judaic absolutes of " good and evil " as well as in a materialistic

world view that separates humans from Nature. Medical science is negating the

fact that we humans are one with nature and one with all creation. This belief

in a human superiority over Nature, including animals, serves, to this day, as a

justification for the cruelest kind of animal experimentations in laboratories

and medical research centers around the world. Dr. Hamer's discoveries provide

the ultimate evidence that the doctrines of modern medicine are built on false

premises and are on the whole wrong. The Five Biological Laws reveal that

everything in Nature is biologically meaningful and that nothing is " diseased "

or " malignant " . The biological laws that constitute this truly " New Medicine "

are firmly anchored in the natural sciences, and are, at the same time, in

perfect harmony with other natural laws, including spiritual laws. The Spanish

call GNM " La Medicina Sagrada " , the Sacred Medicine, because of this truth.

http://www.learninggnm.com/documents/FIVE%20LAWS%20Edit.pdf

GERMAN NEW MEDICINE THERAPY

German New Medicine® is neither an " alternative medicine " , nor an " integrative

medicine " , nor a " complementary medicine " . German New Medicine offers a complete

scientific system based on Five Biological Laws that explain the cause, the

development, and, above all, the natural healing of so-called diseases.

The Therapy CONTENTS: DURING THE CONFLICT-ACTIVE PHASE; DURING THE HEALING

PHASE; " THE DANCE AROUND THE PATIENT " The spirit of GNM Therapy could not be

described any better; ABOUT COMPLICATIONS; ABOUT SURGERY; ABOUT MEDICATION; THE

IMPORTANCE OF A HEALTHY DIET; WHY IS GERMAN NEW MEDICINE NOT TAUGHT IN MEDICAL

SCHOOL?

As a result of the ongoing concerted effort to suppress Dr. Hamer's medical

discoveries, doctors as well as the populace at large have not been given a

chance to benefit from the knowledge of GNM, and, millions of patients have been

denied

to be treated according to German New Medicine with its humane, non-invasive

approach - for almost 30 years!

http://www.learninggnm.com/documents/THERAPY%20NEW%20Edit.pdf

http://www.learninggnm.com/gnm_therapy/gnm_therapy.html

Excerpts from Summary Of The New Medicine

By Dr. R. G. Hamer

http://www.newmedicine.ca/excerpt.php

Review of The Germanic/German New Medicine of the Discoveries of Dr. Ryke Geerd

Hamer

http://www.newmedicine.ca/overview.php

Metastasis Theory

QUESTIONING THE " METASTASIS " THEORY The metastasis theory proposes that cancer

cells break off

of a primary tumor, travel through the bloodstream and lymph system, and

randomly attach to other organs, where they cause a second cancerous growth. The

process is believed to be uncontrolled, with mutated, " malignant " ,and rogue

cells acting on their own, against the normal order and intelligence of the

body. THE METASTASIS THEORY IN LIGHT OF DR. HAMER'S DISCOVERIES

http://www.learninggnm.com/gnm_therapy/Metastasis.pdf

CHEMO TREATMENT

Dr. Hamer: " To sell chemotherapy as a " therapy " is most likely the biggest

deceit in the history of medicine. Whoever masterminded this chemo-torture

deserves a monument in hell. "

Study Reveals Chemotherapy Hastened or Caused Deaths of Many;

Chemotherapy contributes to a quarter of cancer deaths;

The Contribution of Cytotoxic Chemotherapy to 5-Year Survival in Adult

Malignancies;

How scientific are orthodox cancer treatments? ;

Researchers Detail Chemotherapy's Damage to the Brain;

Chemotherapy - Treatment without Effect; MORE .....

75% of Americans diagnosed with cancer are said to receive chemotherapy

treatment, prescribed by their oncologists.

75% of oncologists also said that if they had cancer, they themselves would NOT

use chemotherapy treatment.

(obtained from McGill Cancer Center survey (1986), in: Robbins, " Reclaiming

Our Health " , 1998)

The majority of cancer patients in this country die because of chemotherapy,

which does not cure breast, colon or lung cancer. This has been documented for

over a decade and nevertheless doctors still utilize chemotherapy to fight these

tumors. " ( Levin, MD, UCSF, " The Healing of Cancer " , Marcus Books, 1990).

MORE

http://www.learninggnm.com/documents/chemotherapy.html

blessings

Shan

> >

> > > whoaaaaa, i'm glad to see these posts about free and easy.

> > >

> > > yesterday, after a coil of about 10 secs, and on my fourth day of

> > > free and easy (maybe i should call it enchained and onerous) i had

> > > the most crushing experience of shame about everything in my life,

> > > mortifying worthlessness, revulsion. like lena mentioned, i and

> > > probably all of us have worked on our issues and inner growth for

> > > many years. this was so beyond the existential emptiness or despair

> > > and emotional exhaustion from years of being sick and isolated.

> > >

> > > i had coiled for just a second on my right throat (perpetual ear

> > > ache, swollen glands) but it is hard to believe that would have

> > > triggered such horrifying emotions.

> > >

> > > i realize i'd been really enjoying the taste of the f and e's, had

> > > inched up in how many i was taking. thane thank you for the warning

> > > about going slowly.

> > >

> > > if i'm not too exhausted i use eft for a lot of stuff that comes up,

> > > but i was so paralyzed i couldn't do it. i woke in the night with

> > > dread. but this morning i am emotionally stable.

> > >

> > > i'm so grateful you guys are here!

> > >

> > > xoxoxo

> > > susan in vt

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, my aching brain ;-)

This stuff looks really fascinating, though.

I really like this mode of treatment. Combines the scientific/physical with

acknowledgement for the other aspects. I can see why this is more successful in

treatment. And it sheds a different light on what healing might feel or look

like. I really need to take a bit of time to go over this stuff ...

Thanks for sharing!

> > >

> > > > whoaaaaa, i'm glad to see these posts about free and easy.

> > > >

> > > > yesterday, after a coil of about 10 secs, and on my fourth day of

> > > > free and easy (maybe i should call it enchained and onerous) i had

> > > > the most crushing experience of shame about everything in my life,

> > > > mortifying worthlessness, revulsion. like lena mentioned, i and

> > > > probably all of us have worked on our issues and inner growth for

> > > > many years. this was so beyond the existential emptiness or despair

> > > > and emotional exhaustion from years of being sick and isolated.

> > > >

> > > > i had coiled for just a second on my right throat (perpetual ear

> > > > ache, swollen glands) but it is hard to believe that would have

> > > > triggered such horrifying emotions.

> > > >

> > > > i realize i'd been really enjoying the taste of the f and e's, had

> > > > inched up in how many i was taking. thane thank you for the warning

> > > > about going slowly.

> > > >

> > > > if i'm not too exhausted i use eft for a lot of stuff that comes up,

> > > > but i was so paralyzed i couldn't do it. i woke in the night with

> > > > dread. but this morning i am emotionally stable.

> > > >

> > > > i'm so grateful you guys are here!

> > > >

> > > > xoxoxo

> > > > susan in vt

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

oh dea, so sorry! we are talking about a traditional chinese

medicine called free and easy wanderer. it is very good for the

liver, and i'm certain someone who can expalin it better will hop in

here,

s in vt

> Please explain free aned easy to me--I see it here often and wonder

> what type of substance could conjure such feelings.

> Dea

>

[Guest guest]

hiya lena,no doubt this is a get-naked kind of disease. when all gets stripped away, even for just a moment, i laugh and cry at the sweetness, the little tender light that remains. i like what you said: Remember who you are, even when you can't remember. And remember, we're here for each other, to remind each other!Be well,Léna whoaaaaa, i'm glad to see these posts about free and easy..

[Guest guest]

hiya cheryl,wonderful story. great release!Hi, in VT: I am sure I shared this experience some time ago before you were part of our forum family, but bears repeating right here. One time I went to my chiropractor and he was trying a new technique/adjustment on my neck. Immediately after the "crunch" I burst into tears. Huge gulping sobs. The funny things was it didn't hurt at all. He explained that we store pain at certain points in our bodies. I had been in a bad sledding accident in which my neck had been severly damaged. The memory of that pain and trauma was stored....you guessed it....in my neck at the point of the damage from the accident. When the chiropractor adjusted that particular spot in such a way to "get at it" out came the residual tears and fears. This could explain why coiling your ear would bring about some emotional situation....who knows why, but your body may have stored some residual pain/fear/emotional stress right there. I look at Free and Easy as the wandering EFT midget in our bodies. Finding these little pockets of emotions and cracking them open. Hang tough and keep chatting....there probably isn't anything you are experiencing that someone on here hasn't had to deal with. Take care,.

[Guest guest]

In some ways I would be inclined to completely discount it - but I keep

coming up against the record of results. I find some of it a bit 'over the top'

except I don't believe for a moment that we understand all there is to know

about how the body works and realize that even most of what we think we know

about the body could be wrong. After all, at one time everyone was completey

positive that the earth was flat - at least all the 'official' info said that.

So the very few people that thought to chance that this was not so must have

seemed 'over the top' too......... But it is almost as if Dr Hamer says that

parasities are our friends..... Where would this leave us with Lyme etc

'critters'? Though have to admit , it would be less scary/stressful not having

to 'fight' my body or organisms in my body. I am not trying to get off of the

hook here - we would still need to support out bodies and buiid up the immune

system as much as possible. It would just feel 'friendlier' I guess - we would

all be on the same page ......Dr Hamer's protocol seems like a more 'positive'

way of helping the body to cure itself ......... sometimes I wonder how much all

the negativism and destruction involved with all this 'killing' contributes to

the depressions, anxiety etc...........

One of the articles I listed is written by Walter Last - and he is a retired

trained toxicoligist, research chemist and also biochemist, nutritionist and

natural therapist. As well as his experiance for many years treating patients .

And he recommends Dr Hamer which makes me pause and think........ Walter Last

does not go around recommending just anyone.......

I would appreciate your thoughts on this ..........

blessings

Shan

> > > >

> > > > > whoaaaaa, i'm glad to see these posts about free and easy.

> > > > >

> > > > > yesterday, after a coil of about 10 secs, and on my fourth day of

> > > > > free and easy (maybe i should call it enchained and onerous) i had

> > > > > the most crushing experience of shame about everything in my life,

> > > > > mortifying worthlessness, revulsion. like lena mentioned, i and

> > > > > probably all of us have worked on our issues and inner growth for

> > > > > many years. this was so beyond the existential emptiness or despair

> > > > > and emotional exhaustion from years of being sick and isolated.

> > > > >

> > > > > i had coiled for just a second on my right throat (perpetual ear

> > > > > ache, swollen glands) but it is hard to believe that would have

> > > > > triggered such horrifying emotions.

> > > > >

> > > > > i realize i'd been really enjoying the taste of the f and e's, had

> > > > > inched up in how many i was taking. thane thank you for the warning

> > > > > about going slowly.

> > > > >

> > > > > if i'm not too exhausted i use eft for a lot of stuff that comes up,

> > > > > but i was so paralyzed i couldn't do it. i woke in the night with

> > > > > dread. but this morning i am emotionally stable.

> > > > >

> > > > > i'm so grateful you guys are here!

> > > > >

> > > > > xoxoxo

> > > > > susan in vt

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

And I like what you say of the tender little light that remains: therein we find the blessing. With all this shit, there's got to be a pony somewhere!Be well,Léna hiya lena,no doubt this is a get-naked kind of disease. when all gets stripped away, even for just a moment, i laugh and cry at the sweetness, the little tender light that remains. i like what you said: Remember who you are, even when you can't remember. And remember, we're here for each other, to remind each other!Be well,Léna whoaaaaa, i'm glad to see these posts about free and easy..

[Guest guest]

Thanks Vermont! I think I'll look it up in the web--my liver can use all the help it can get. Not only do I have Lyme--I battle chronic mono. Maybe this will help.

Thanks

Dea

To: Lyme_and_Rife From: darrahs@...Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:18:27 -0400Subject: Re: Re: OT: TCM helps mental emotional issues/prices

oh dea, so sorry! we are talking about a traditional chinese medicine called free and easy wanderer. it is very good for the liver, and i'm certain someone who can expalin it better will hop in here,s in vt> Please explain free aned easy to me--I see it here often and wonder > what type of substance could conjure such feelings.> Dea>

found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

[Guest guest]

i really enjoyed reading this. when i first got sick so many practitioners told me i must have issues keeping me from getting well! i didn't believe it could be the only truth, and was unhappy that in fragility i was being 'blamed' for my illness. it took me some time to not be reactive to this kind of thinking. at the same time it is my 'work' to continuously explore myself and grow, so i am open to both aspects. susan in vt Well, as we have a parasitic type disease (I consider thse parasites more than I do an infection), and we are immune-compromised and subject to various parasites (I consider some we know and most we don't) parasites can produce proteins that mimic our own neurotransmitters and effectively manipulate behavior. This is true of all parasites, because they're "parasites." Toxiplasmosis in mice causes them to not fear cats. They'll walk right up to it (which allows the rat to get eaten and the parasite passed along. But in humans, which most of us probably carry if we've had cats, it has also been studied in men and women--and it causes different behavior. A good example of manipulation of behavior is in the grasshopper carrying nematomorph hairworm. If it carries this parasite, the parasite produces some protein which makes the grasshopper hop in the water (and thus commit suicide) at the exact moment the thing has matured and is ready to mate with other worms in the water. Now, you have to wonder: What is that grasshopper THINKING? Is it suicidal, depressed, thinking there is no point to going on, or does the water look inviting, like the gateway to eternal heaven? Or it just lost its footing there? We don't think about how animals and insects think, we can only study behavior. So, the essence of this, is that a few years ago when I learned all this, I began to wonder if the emotions I thought were my own at all. I think on good days when we feel "normal" we don't dwell, aren't depressed, aren't feeling shame, etc. I now think of mental and emotional illness the same way I do physical illnesss--that it's all pathogen induced. I decided to stop working through issues and decided psychologists and anything along that line were a waste for that reason. Basically I just got over them all. I gave less importance to working through anything, and just suffered through them when they came up, but really didn't "own" it as important or my own. See http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7927 An interesting discussion on parasites: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=102.0 And tons more out there! -

[Guest guest]

Dea,

 

Just a thought, but my experience has been that mono IS Lyme!  I was diagnosed with Mono when I was 41....my leg muscles and fatigue issues have never been the same since.  I went back to my doctor about 4 times saying my legs still hurt and I was exhausted.  She told me I was over mono and ignored everything else I said.  I now think they are one and the same.

 

What do you think?

 

Take care,

Cheryl

 

 

 

Thanks Vermont!  I think I'll look it up in the web--my liver can use all the help it can get.  Not only do I have Lyme--I battle chronic mono.  Maybe this will help.Thanks Dea 

To: Lyme_and_Rife From: darrahs@...Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:18:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Re: OT: TCM helps mental emotional issues/prices 

oh dea, so sorry! we are talking about a traditional chinese medicine called free and easy wanderer. it is very good for the liver, and i'm certain someone who can expalin it better will hop in here,

s in vt> Please explain free aned easy to me--I see it here often and wonder > what type of substance could conjure such feelings.> Dea>

found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

[Guest guest]

Well, I have a similar dilemma in thinking.

My daughter went into remission. She seems to go in and out of remission. I've

been close to remission, or had them (one summer it felt like I was " cured " ).

And when I had them it wasn't because I was doing any killing at all, but doing

very supportive things for the body. Acupuncture, homeopathy, massage therapy,

cranio-sacral, good diet (of course!) vitamins, exercise, sun etc. Since I

learned I had lyme and I've been doing killing, I haven't felt as good as I used

to when I didn't know I had lyme, and simply supported my body, believing I had

" CFS " .

So, I took this past summer to strengthen my body and prepare it for a round of

poison (antibiotics). And it really worked, as I can tolerate the antibiotics

now, and couldn't, at the beginning of summer, very well. My hormones are more

normal, my metabolism is better, I'm stronger in a lot of ways, my body is

visibly healing (scars, etc.). I'm not sure why I'm doing the antibiotics,

though, and I need to make a decision within the next week or two how I'll

progress. I felt like it would be a last leg after coiling for a year, in my

treatment. I hoped so, anyway. (I'm trying to shorten the treatment, obviously!)

I find that suppressing bacteria is causing growth of other things, though. So I

have to figure out how to kill those things. Hmmm.

I think sometimes when we feel we are herxing, we may be having a bloom of other

microscopic things that are not being killed, and are making us feel bad. This

happened with minocycline and my sinsues, so I know it's the case, in part. And

if they are growing in my sinuses, they are growing elsewhere. If they can make

you feel as bad as I felt the other day, well, those symptoms are quite a lot

like lyme! I couldn't tell the difference.

I still coil, but can't find a frequency that I herx at, anymore. I don't

believe you need to herx to get better, though. I had plenty of herxing in the

first year of that! So, why am I going after a herx .... ???? I guess I just

want to be sure I don't relapse again.

I am just not sure how I feel about this. When I saw the homeopath on a regular

basis, I get closer to health than I was at other times. I know that supporting

my body in that way is good for me. If I'm feeling good, can I still be that

sick? It only takes one day to relapse, I seem to remember (those horrible fall

days) ... but it's not as it seems. We can only see the big picture, not what is

going on in our bodies.

I'm not sure where all this fits, but I've begun to realize we have so much more

going on in our bodies than doctors realize, than we realize. So many organisms,

and they are all there doing something, feeding off something else, and they are

there for a reason.

I once saw a doc that used to say people have candida because they had parasites

(he essentially thinks parasites are pretty much worms and that's it, and he

used to blame everything on parasites), and the worms poop. And so the the

candida has food. So kill the parasites, and the candida will run out of food.

It's way beyond that!

This is a journey, for sure.

> > > > >

> > > > > > whoaaaaa, i'm glad to see these posts about free and easy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > yesterday, after a coil of about 10 secs, and on my fourth day of

> > > > > > free and easy (maybe i should call it enchained and onerous) i had

> > > > > > the most crushing experience of shame about everything in my life,

> > > > > > mortifying worthlessness, revulsion. like lena mentioned, i and

> > > > > > probably all of us have worked on our issues and inner growth for

> > > > > > many years. this was so beyond the existential emptiness or despair

> > > > > > and emotional exhaustion from years of being sick and isolated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i had coiled for just a second on my right throat (perpetual ear

> > > > > > ache, swollen glands) but it is hard to believe that would have

> > > > > > triggered such horrifying emotions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i realize i'd been really enjoying the taste of the f and e's, had

> > > > > > inched up in how many i was taking. thane thank you for the warning

> > > > > > about going slowly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if i'm not too exhausted i use eft for a lot of stuff that comes up,

> > > > > > but i was so paralyzed i couldn't do it. i woke in the night with

> > > > > > dread. but this morning i am emotionally stable.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i'm so grateful you guys are here!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > xoxoxo

> > > > > > susan in vt

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am not thinking that rifing/frequency machines are not needed exactly.

They obviously are as reducing the amount of 'critters' seems to make a big

difference. And so I started wondering if maybe it is not the 'critters' per say

that are the problem - but maybe the amount of critters........... Mayber as Dr

Hamer says we need the parasites, etc for various things................well

just as various parts of our body can become out of balance, maybe these

parasites too are 'out of balance' sort of like candida and 'good bacteria'. So

we have to get the parasites in balance again and zapping and killing many of

them is one way to do that. Somebody in one of the groups I belong to told a

story about somebody putting the bugs to sleep......... Maybe this is what we

all need to do? It occured to me while listening to what people were saying in

the Lyme groups that killing the 'critters' makes them more active - or maybe I

just got the wrong impression? Maybe things like music and meditating etc and

trying to communicate with the bugs and make them feel safer would slow them

down, make them quieter? I am not sure where I am going with this but something

in me says I should pursue it............ and your experiance makes

sense............ I did something like that with ME too - I started learning

about nutrition etc and began to eat that way etc, and got the ME to go into

remission and I had testbook symptoms - Dr Byron Hyde was my doctor for ME.

All those supportive things you were doing helped your body - and you weren't

actively going after the critters and maybe they realized that so weren't madly

reproducing etc. as they did not feel threatened...........

There are some truely fantastic minds on these Lyme groups - I would

really like to hear all the perceptions and opinions that people have about

this...............

blessings

Shan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > whoaaaaa, i'm glad to see these posts about free and easy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > yesterday, after a coil of about 10 secs, and on my fourth day of

> > > > > > > free and easy (maybe i should call it enchained and onerous) i had

> > > > > > > the most crushing experience of shame about everything in my life,

> > > > > > > mortifying worthlessness, revulsion. like lena mentioned, i and

> > > > > > > probably all of us have worked on our issues and inner growth for

> > > > > > > many years. this was so beyond the existential emptiness or

despair

> > > > > > > and emotional exhaustion from years of being sick and isolated.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i had coiled for just a second on my right throat (perpetual ear

> > > > > > > ache, swollen glands) but it is hard to believe that would have

> > > > > > > triggered such horrifying emotions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i realize i'd been really enjoying the taste of the f and e's, had

> > > > > > > inched up in how many i was taking. thane thank you for the

warning

> > > > > > > about going slowly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if i'm not too exhausted i use eft for a lot of stuff that comes

up,

> > > > > > > but i was so paralyzed i couldn't do it. i woke in the night with

> > > > > > > dread. but this morning i am emotionally stable.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i'm so grateful you guys are here!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > xoxoxo

> > > > > > > susan in vt

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You hit the nail on the head!

On the last visit to the llmd, when I met with the doc for the first time, he

told me he thought Bartonella was more of an issue than lyme, for me and many

others. He feels like current thinking is upside down, and it's not the cysts

that are problematic, and hiding, and biofilms, but rather than Bartonella is

the problem, and so Bartonella needs to be killed. He told me he is considered

the foremost expert on Bartonella in the country (I thought Schaller was) as he

has been working with a top (I think veterinary) researcher for some time, and

has much information/research under his belt. In any case, his statement tells

me that they really don't know about lyme, and those cysts and biofilms. They're

just guessing that's what happens when people don't get better from antibiotics.

Maybe antibiotics aren't even the cure, for some reason.

Well, in answer to more questions, he told me they were doing live blood

analysis on one of his patients who had begun IV therapy. He told me the

bacteria were " swarming. " They weren't dying, they were swarming. So I said

" when do they stop swarming and start dying. " He didn't know. He just figured

treatment should be 6 months with the correct antibiotic protocol for

bartonella. They believe 6 months because animals take 6 months (for some reason

I'm thinking the Bartonella researcher he is working with does veterinary

stuff).

The point is, his comment of swarming is still bothering me. We could have told

him that we felt them swarming, during an (antibiotic) herx, couldn't we?

I don't think the coil causes swarming to occur. Actually there would be no

reason for it.

So you're right. They don't seem to like antibiotics, under normal conditions (a

debilitated lymie). The stronger/healthier the body, the more tolerable it is.

Whether it eradicates the bacteria, I don't even know.

I think if I was coiling as frequently as would be required for Bart, I'd be

better off. My blood was looking real good around January, and that was after

about 6 months of very heavy coiling. (Under darkfield, and it was my 3rd or 4th

view).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > whoaaaaa, i'm glad to see these posts about free and easy.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > yesterday, after a coil of about 10 secs, and on my fourth day

of

> > > > > > > > free and easy (maybe i should call it enchained and onerous) i

had

> > > > > > > > the most crushing experience of shame about everything in my

life,

> > > > > > > > mortifying worthlessness, revulsion. like lena mentioned, i and

> > > > > > > > probably all of us have worked on our issues and inner growth

for

> > > > > > > > many years. this was so beyond the existential emptiness or

despair

> > > > > > > > and emotional exhaustion from years of being sick and isolated.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i had coiled for just a second on my right throat (perpetual ear

> > > > > > > > ache, swollen glands) but it is hard to believe that would have

> > > > > > > > triggered such horrifying emotions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i realize i'd been really enjoying the taste of the f and e's,

had

> > > > > > > > inched up in how many i was taking. thane thank you for the

warning

> > > > > > > > about going slowly.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if i'm not too exhausted i use eft for a lot of stuff that comes

up,

> > > > > > > > but i was so paralyzed i couldn't do it. i woke in the night

with

> > > > > > > > dread. but this morning i am emotionally stable.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i'm so grateful you guys are here!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > xoxoxo

> > > > > > > > susan in vt

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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A read on one of those sites (one link there didn't work), and one thing comes

to mind relative to our condition. If this model is correct, it is the natural

order of things. " Natural " being the key word here. MMakes sense, as I believe

the body is always trying to heal/survive, to the extent it is able to do so.

Cheney speculated once the body's attempt to survive while in heart failure, was

CFS. (more complicated than that)

But you take manufactured organisms (maybe) in a toxically challenged,

persistently traumatized body, and now the rules change. Infection is not

healing, it becomes itself the disease. So, I think it's useful to take some of

what he has to say, but I don't think we're dealing with natural organisms.

Nature's bugs don't act like these things do .... unless, according to his

model, we're in a constant state of attempting to heal.

But, actually, we (some of us) stop getting acute infections, where you get

fevers, drainage, etc. So we really never " heal, " not while these things are

present, whatever these are. I know I did. When I got lyme, lots of regular

stuff stopped for me. The sinus infections I used to get stopped. Flus and

regular colds for the most part, stopped. Like something else took over that

prevented regular bacteria/viruses making me sick in the normal way. That's what

kinda happened to me. While immune suppressed, we don't really get sick in the

normal ways. I've heard lots of people say this ...

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> > > > > > > > whoaaaaa, i'm glad to see these posts about free and easy.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > yesterday, after a coil of about 10 secs, and on my fourth day

of

> > > > > > > > free and easy (maybe i should call it enchained and onerous) i

had

> > > > > > > > the most crushing experience of shame about everything in my

life,

> > > > > > > > mortifying worthlessness, revulsion. like lena mentioned, i and

> > > > > > > > probably all of us have worked on our issues and inner growth

for

> > > > > > > > many years. this was so beyond the existential emptiness or

despair

> > > > > > > > and emotional exhaustion from years of being sick and isolated.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i had coiled for just a second on my right throat (perpetual ear

> > > > > > > > ache, swollen glands) but it is hard to believe that would have

> > > > > > > > triggered such horrifying emotions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i realize i'd been really enjoying the taste of the f and e's,

had

> > > > > > > > inched up in how many i was taking. thane thank you for the

warning

> > > > > > > > about going slowly.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if i'm not too exhausted i use eft for a lot of stuff that comes

up,

> > > > > > > > but i was so paralyzed i couldn't do it. i woke in the night

with

> > > > > > > > dread. but this morning i am emotionally stable.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i'm so grateful you guys are here!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > xoxoxo

> > > > > > > > susan in vt

> > > > > > > >

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I can't say no, but I know when I was diagnosed with active Lyme and active mono at the same time with blood tests--it was the worst time in my life. EBV was positive, liver enzymes up, swollen spleen, migranes, fever you name it--I could not get out of bed. Years went by with me on the couch. Now mono is negative, and last time Lyme was too (I think it was just ELISA so you can never tell) and I am still pretty tired--but not decked.

They could, I think, cause the other to flare. Ugh--I just hope it never happens again.

You know--now that I think of it--I have never been the same either. Maybe you are on to something.

Dea

To: Lyme_and_Rife From: qcyoung@...Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:47:36 -0700Subject: Re: Re: OT: TCM helps mental emotional issues/prices

Dea,

Just a thought, but my experience has been that mono IS Lyme! I was diagnosed with Mono when I was 41....my leg muscles and fatigue issues have never been the same since. I went back to my doctor about 4 times saying my legs still hurt and I was exhausted. She told me I was over mono and ignored everything else I said. I now think they are one and the same.

What do you think?

Take care,

Cheryl

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Dea Lenihan <dealenihanhotmail> wrote:

Thanks Vermont! I think I'll look it up in the web--my liver can use all the help it can get. Not only do I have Lyme--I battle chronic mono. Maybe this will help.Thanks Dea

To: Lyme_and_Rife From: darrahssover (DOT) netDate: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:18:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Re: OT: TCM helps mental emotional issues/prices

oh dea, so sorry! we are talking about a traditional chinese medicine called free and easy wanderer. it is very good for the liver, and i'm certain someone who can expalin it better will hop in here,s in vt> Please explain free aned easy to me--I see it here often and wonder > what type of substance could conjure such feelings.> Dea>

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