Guest guest Posted February 18, 2003 Report Share Posted February 18, 2003 In a message dated 2/18/2003 11:00:18 AM Central Standard Time, aliciatops@... writes: > Hi , > If you are talking about wlssuccess.com she is in my back yard. I don't > have any information " yet " but I plan to visit one of her protein tastings > to > check things out. I have heard her shipping costs are a bit high. I know > that > she is affiliated with Dr. Oh who does not do DS surgeries. That's the one..I saw Dr. Oh's name and knew i didn't recognize him from the DS docs list. Let me know when you try them. in Bama http://hometown.aol.com/mdl1031/myhomepage/profile.html Surgery-12/6 -377.5 2/17 - 346.5 ( minus 31lbs) 01/15- 338.1 (minus 39.1lbs) 02/12-330.0 (minus 47.5 lbs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 > > > > To change the subject back to body building, does anyone use Protein > > Supplements, and in particular Whey Protein, or have any views on the > > matter? > > > > Regards > > > > Marshall > > > Jon,amino acids are the basic building blocks from which proteins are constructed.Unless you have a truly awful diet or live in a third world country with restricted food intake, I doubt whether you are deficit in protein and hence amino acids.I also doubt whether anyone breaks down sufficient muscular tissue to warrant any supplementation when using a Bullworker.I think that one should separate oneself from the distorting effects of commercial media and consider the issue from a rational and scientific viewpoint. > > I don't say that in order to dismiss either you or your question but to encourage you to do do three things. 1] Not sideline yourself with worries about supplements when the real issue is getting down to training.2]Do some research that does not depend on the often spurious research provided by supplement companies or endorsements from drug using professional body-builders{worthless in the extreme}3} think the thing through using your reason. > > I don't take supplements and have not for years with no detriment as far as I can see either to my body or my performance.I can say that apart from being made queasy by some supplements and having the runs with others I have never ever noticed any effects that could be tied with any conviction to whatever I was experimenting with at the time.I now cannot be bothered to waste my money and eat instead.Its amazing what a few extra glasses of milk can do. > Hi, I truly have an awful diet and live in a third world country. Healthy foods are not easy to get here like steamed fish or something.. The easiest foods i can get is bananas and milk.. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 > > > > > > To change the subject back to body building, does anyone use Protein > > > Supplements, and in particular Whey Protein, or have any views on the > > > matter? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Marshall > > > > > Jon,amino acids are the basic building blocks from which proteins are constructed.Unless you have a truly awful diet or live in a third world country with restricted food intake, I doubt whether you are deficit in protein and hence amino acids.I also doubt whether anyone breaks down sufficient muscular tissue to warrant any supplementation when using a Bullworker.I think that one should separate oneself from the distorting effects of commercial media and consider the issue from a rational and scientific viewpoint. > > > > I don't say that in order to dismiss either you or your question but to encourage you to do do three things. 1] Not sideline yourself with worries about supplements when the real issue is getting down to training.2]Do some research that does not depend on the often spurious research provided by supplement companies or endorsements from drug using professional body-builders{worthless in the extreme}3} think the thing through using your reason. > > > > I don't take supplements and have not for years with no detriment as far as I can see either to my body or my performance.I can say that apart from being made queasy by some supplements and having the runs with others I have never ever noticed any effects that could be tied with any conviction to whatever I was experimenting with at the time.I now cannot be bothered to waste my money and eat instead.Its amazing what a few extra glasses of milk can do. > > > > > Hi, > > I truly have an awful diet and live in a third world country. Healthy foods are not easy to get here like steamed fish or something.. The easiest foods i can get is bananas and milk.. :-) > I think then that bananas and milk can go a long way,provided you can get enough and are not lactose{the suger fraction of the milk} intolerant which would put milk out of the picture.Milk however is an excellent source of protein and other valuable nutrients in its whole form such as vitamin D.Skimmed milk is available fortified with vit D in many countries as the process of skimming removes the vitamin D as its a fat bound vitamin. If you can add in any local fruits etc and you may not be too bad.Provided you can get some of these things the issue may be quantity and cost rather than anything else. On the subject of milk yet again you will find many old time strong men featured it highly in their diets for good reason.Eggs also if available are very nutrient dense and at one time were the index against which all other foodstuffs were weighed in terms of having the perfect balance of amino acids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 > > > > To change the subject back to body building, does anyone use Protein > > Supplements, and in particular Whey Protein, or have any views on the > > matter? > > > > Regards As far as I am concerned controversy is not the issue.It is good to be exposed to other opinions as long as there is no name calling etc.After all a frank and democratic sharing of opinions never hurt anyone whilst name calling and the putting of others down does.There has never been a hint of that from any direction and I doubt whether it would be tolerated either.Readers/contributors will no doubt either form their own opinions,reform their opinions or suspend judgement-this is after all quite natural. > > > > Marshall > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 whey protein is the best thing going, brands dont matter, timing of intake is the key. 20-40 grams upon getting up in the morning, 20 grams before workout and 20-40 grams within 30 minutes after work out,,,,,,a mixture of whey and casein at bedtime of 20-40 grams is a great way to rebuild while at rest.no one has the best amount for intake. this is mine, have been doing it for years. i am 58 years old and even when off training i do the same schedule and maintain a 30 year old atletes body with more power than most my age, same for my sons who follow the routine , MY DAUGHTER is following suit and is said to have the greatest potential of any girl ever at her school in power lifting, never having trained before but following what i have descibed she had, within 3 months training a 325 deadlift, 135 bench and 325 squat..not bad and clearly the protein supplementation has worked.i have had 9 shoulder surgeries and recovered very quickly, limited to dumbbells and isometrics i am as strong as anyone,try it as suggested, it will workSubject: Re: Protein SupplementsTo: bullworkerclub Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 9:14 PM > > > > To change the subject back to body building, does anyone use Protein > > Supplements, and in particular Whey Protein, or have any views on the > > matter? > > > > Regards > > > > Marshall > > > Jon,amino acids are the basic building blocks from which proteins are constructed. Unless you have a truly awful diet or live in a third world country with restricted food intake, I doubt whether you are deficit in protein and hence amino acids.I also doubt whether anyone breaks down sufficient muscular tissue to warrant any supplementation when using a Bullworker.I think that one should separate oneself from the distorting effects of commercial media and consider the issue from a rational and scientific viewpoint. > > I don't say that in order to dismiss either you or your question but to encourage you to do do three things. 1] Not sideline yourself with worries about supplements when the real issue is getting down to training.2]Do some research that does not depend on the often spurious research provided by supplement companies or endorsements from drug using professional body-builders{ worthless in the extreme}3} think the thing through using your reason. > > I don't take supplements and have not for years with no detriment as far as I can see either to my body or my performance. I can say that apart from being made queasy by some supplements and having the runs with others I have never ever noticed any effects that could be tied with any conviction to whatever I was experimenting with at the time.I now cannot be bothered to waste my money and eat instead.Its amazing what a few extra glasses of milk can do. > Hi, I truly have an awful diet and live in a third world country. Healthy foods are not easy to get here like steamed fish or something.. The easiest foods i can get is bananas and milk.. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Hi matt, Thanks for that one. Those whey protein and casein that you saying, can that be bought in a powder supplements? or what form is that?liquid like milk? > > > > > > > > To change the subject back to body building, does anyone use Protein > > > > Supplements, and in particular Whey Protein, or have any views on the > > > > matter? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Marshall > > > > > > > Jon,amino acids are the basic building blocks from which proteins are constructed. Unless you have a truly awful diet or live in a third world country with restricted food intake, I doubt whether you are deficit in protein and hence amino acids.I also doubt whether anyone breaks down sufficient muscular tissue to warrant any supplementation when using a Bullworker.I think that one should separate oneself from the distorting effects of commercial media and consider the issue from a rational and scientific viewpoint. > > > > > > I don't say that in order to dismiss either you or your question but to encourage you to do do three things. 1] Not sideline yourself with worries about supplements when the real issue is getting down to training.2]Do some research that does not depend on the often spurious research provided by supplement companies or endorsements from drug using professional body-builders{ worthless in the extreme}3} think the thing through using your reason. > > > > > > I don't take supplements and have not for years with no detriment as far as I can see either to my body or my performance. I can say that apart from being made queasy by some supplements and having the runs with others I have never ever noticed any effects that could be tied with any conviction to whatever I was experimenting with at the time.I now cannot be bothered to waste my money and eat instead.Its amazing what a few extra glasses of milk can do. > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I truly have an awful diet and live in a third world country. Healthy foods are not easy to get here like steamed fish or something.. The easiest foods i can get is bananas and milk.. :-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Sorry but that wasn't whammer that was me hand11 .. I apologize and was trying to make a joke not upset you .. I certainly didn't expect you to post pics of your daughter to the group . sorry about the misunderstanding Matt .. I wont go there again .. matt wingo wrote: > > > Whammer, you can go to hell. Words are cheap so dont be offended, but > words about my daughter are not no matter. Do what I said and go to > hell sicko. > > > > > > > > Matt, > > > > Please post some pictures so we can see if you look like you're 28. > > Talk is cheap. > > > > > > > > * Re: Protein Supplements > > > > Superb Matt, anyone who can take 28yrs off their body is > > definately doing something right... > > Was your training schedule the same pre-whey, and how long before > > you noticed a difference post-whey? > > I would also be interested to know what your longest 'off > > training' period has been. > > It may be that much of your fitness is down to P.M.A. and the fact > > that you totally BELIEVE in these products, so a placebo-effect > > type test would be fascinating (although difficult to administer!) . > > Also, your genes could be having a large contribution towards the > > fitness of your children, although your answers to my above > > questions may change my mind. > > Regards, > > Fult. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To change the subject back to body building, does anyone use > > Protein > > > > > > > > Supplements, and in particular Whey Protein, or have any > > views on the > > > > > > > > matter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marshall > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon,amino acids are the basic building blocks from which > > proteins are constructed. Unless you have a truly awful diet or > > live in a third world country with restricted food intake, I doubt > > whether you are deficit in protein and hence amino acids.I also > > doubt whether anyone breaks down sufficient muscular tissue to > > warrant any supplementation when using a Bullworker.I think that > > one should separate oneself from the distorting effects of > > commercial media and consider the issue from a rational and > > scientific viewpoint. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't say that in order to dismiss either you or your > > question but to encourage you to do do three things. 1] Not > > sideline yourself with worries about supplements when the real > > issue is getting down to training.2]Do some research that does not > > depend on the often spurious research provided by supplement > > companies or endorsements from drug using professional > > body-builders{ worthless in the extreme}3} think the thing through > > using your reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't take supplements and have not for years with no > > detriment as far as I can see either to my body or my performance. > > I can say that apart from being made queasy by some supplements > > and having the runs with others I have never ever noticed any > > effects that could be tied with any conviction to whatever I was > > experimenting with at the time.I now cannot be bothered to waste > > my money and eat instead.Its amazing what a few extra glasses of > > milk can do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > I truly have an awful diet and live in a third world country. > > Healthy foods are not easy to get here like steamed fish or > > something.. The easiest foods i can get is bananas and milk.. :-) > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 I didn't say to post pictures of your daughter!!!! That was someone else. Learn to read!! I asked for pictures of you. I don't think it's too much to ask given the claims you have made. * Re: Protein Supplements>> Superb Matt, anyone who can take 28yrs off their body is> definately doing something right...> Was your training schedule the same pre-whey, and how long before> you noticed a difference post-whey?> I would also be interested to know what your longest 'off> training' period has been.> It may be that much of your fitness is down to P.M.A. and the fact> that you totally BELIEVE in these products, so a placebo-effect> type test would be fascinating (although difficult to administer!) .> Also, your genes could be having a large contribution towards the> fitness of your children, although your answers to my above> questions may change my mind.> Regards,> Fult.>> > >> > > >> >> > > > To change the subject back to body building, does anyone use> Protein> >> > > > Supplements, and in particular Whey Protein, or have any> views on the> >> > > > matter?> >> > > >> >> > > > Regards> >> > > >> >> > > > Marshall> >> > > >> >> > > Jon,amino acids are the basic building blocks from which> proteins are constructed. Unless you have a truly awful diet or> live in a third world country with restricted food intake, I doubt> whether you are deficit in protein and hence amino acids.I also> doubt whether anyone breaks down sufficient muscular tissue to> warrant any supplementation when using a Bullworker.I think that> one should separate oneself from the distorting effects of> commercial media and consider the issue from a rational and> scientific viewpoint.> >> > >> >> > > I don't say that in order to dismiss either you or your> question but to encourage you to do do three things. 1] Not> sideline yourself with worries about supplements when the real> issue is getting down to training.2]Do some research that does not> depend on the often spurious research provided by supplement> companies or endorsements from drug using professional> body-builders{ worthless in the extreme}3} think the thing through> using your reason.> >> > >> >> > > I don't take supplements and have not for years with no> detriment as far as I can see either to my body or my performance.> I can say that apart from being made queasy by some supplements> and having the runs with others I have never ever noticed any> effects that could be tied with any conviction to whatever I was> experimenting with at the time.I now cannot be bothered to waste> my money and eat instead.Its amazing what a few extra glasses of> milk can do.> >> > >> >> >> >> > Hi,> >> >> >> > I truly have an awful diet and live in a third world country.> Healthy foods are not easy to get here like steamed fish or> something.. The easiest foods i can get is bananas and milk.. :-)> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 > > To change the subject back to body building, does anyone use Protein > Supplements, and in particular Whey Protein, or have any views on the > matter? > > Regards > > Marshall > Thanks Tim for your information re IGF.1 and the contrary direction taken by Life Extension Research re rapidly absorbed proteins. One of the problems I really have with the discussion is do people using a Bullworker actually break down suffient muscular structure to warrant additional supplemental proteins. Is it possible to compare a twenty minute Bullworker workout to a free weight/machine workout in which a strong natural body-builder may lift literally tons of weight during a hypothetical 45 to 60 minute workout. The question is not about superiority or peoples free choice of exercise and goals but reality. I know that a 20 minute Bullworker workout certainly does not seem to make anything like the same demands on me both whilst training ,nor in the recovery phase. Need Bullworker users really be keyed into a mindset that resembles that of natural body-builders. As far as I am concerned if people want to take additional protein, let them do it.It is after all a free world.The question however still remains. And yes Tim brewers yeast is pretty disgusting to take.The powder is vile and inclined to come up again for many people when mixed into, for example orange juice.The tablets are easier or so I have found in the past when I experimented with them, but still its a good idea to get them down fast with some liquid or you can gag at the taste.I recall gas can be an issue also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 > > To change the subject back to body building, does anyone use Protein > Supplements, and in particular Whey Protein, or have any views on the > matter? > > Regards > > Marshall > Thank you Graham,yes I remember Adelle well.I believe i have a book og hers in my library-Lets Get Well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 I used protenin supplements for a few years, including whey powder, Weider pills etc. After more reading and experience, it became clear to me that they are not needed if you have a balanced diet. That is also the view of the medical community as far as I can see. I got to 205 lbs (at 5' 9") with a 310 lb bench press just eating well. To: bullworkerclub Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 5:13:18 PMSubject: Re: Protein Supplements >> To change the subject back to body building, does anyone use Protein > Supplements, and in particular Whey Protein, or have any views on the > matter?> > Regards> > Marshall>Thank you Graham,yes I remember Adelle well.I believe i have a book og hers in my library-Lets Get Well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 > I used protenin supplements for a few years, including whey powder, > Weider pills etc. > After more reading and experience, it became clear to me that they are > not needed if you have a balanced diet. That is also the view of the > medical community as far as I can see. > I got to 205 lbs (at 5' 9 " ) with a 310 lb bench press just eating well. As total calories go up, protein needs go down. If you were on a fairly rigid cutting diet, you might want to consume a higher amount of protein (by %.) -- Thanks, Lurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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