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Yep, I was vaccinated as a kid. Hep

B about 14 years ago too.

Grew up on a ‘farm’ and

remember lots of fertilizers.

Took out dental fillings about 10 years

ago. No root canals or other things like that.

When you say scar tissue, what do you mean

exactly? Yes I have scars – one big one on my leg.

Only rx meds are hormones and metformin.

I do take Zomig for migraines if I have to. Have taken a ton of other

stuff over the years – just not in the last few years. Cipro about

11 years ago. Tons of antidepressants, antianxiety, pain meds, etc..

2 births, gestational diabetes with both. 8lbs

8oz and 9lbs 3oz. 2nd one was tough pregnancy and birth.

Any help? Need to know what’s

going on!

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of RRM

Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009

7:46 AM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: gina- OT:

doc follow up

find a good SCIO practioner the machine can

scan the body for 30,000 different things.

were you vaccinated?

ever work around chemicals-farm-lawn-industrial?

heavy metals,dental,rootcanals,cavations,

scar tissue?

rx medications? child birth on & on.

roger

From: <vegasmomof3>

Subject: OT: doc follow up

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 9:24 AM

So, I had

my follow up with my ‘LLMD’ doc yesterday. I’m still

very frustrated. The first appt went pretty well and I was

encouraged. Not that I’m completely discouraged now, but

definitely not as hopeful this time.

Not all of

my labs were back, but there wasn’t much to say about what was.

My thyroid levels are quite odd – all very low, despite the fact

that I take thyroid meds! They didn’t do the right tests, so

it’s hard to say what my Reverse T3 ratio is. But just using what

they do have, it’s still too high or at least borderline. She

wants me to lower my dose of T3, which I’m just not sure I want to do.

I’ll be asking on my thyroid board what to do about all of that!

The only

other thing with my labs was my Vit D levels were very low – low enough

that she was concerned about it and told me to supplement. Of course,

we had the whole discussion about how much to take and they thought me taking

5000 IU was too much. I haven’t taken any Vit D in about a month

because of that diet I was on – no oils and the Vit D I take is in oil.

My brain

MRI with and without contrast was clear – so no MS. Glad to have

that ruled out!

The

thyroid ultrasound showed a tiny (6mm x 4mm x 3mm) nodule and a borderline

enlarged thyroid. She was not even remotely concerned about it and

thought it was nothing to be worried about. But based on my family

history (mom had goiter, both aunts and mom had low thyroid, one of those

aunts died of thyroid cancer) she wants to do a scan just to see how my

thyroid is functioning and such. We’ll see how that goes.

She is at least doing some research on the Reverse T3 issue I have, so

that’s good.

The Igenex

Western Blot was not back, but the Quest one was and of course it was all

negative. Before sh figured out it was the Quest one and had

‘ruled out’ Lyme, I mentioned STARI to her. She had never

heard of it. Shouldn’t a LLMD at least have heard of STARI?

Maybe not, but it concerned me that she hadn’t. But, not

sure about Lyme yet…

All in all

I got some good info, but am still frustrated at some of the things she said.

I didn’t have the energy to dispute her, so I just listened to

her spill and went about my business. Ugh. The main thing that

bothered me was she said that diseases/health problems can be idiopathic

(have no known cause). I completely disagree with that. There is

a reason my thyroid doesn’t work right – maybe it’s the

nodule, maybe it’s an underlying infection, maybe Lyme, maybe

it’s bad genes… But there IS a reason. An

‘idiopathic’ disease is nonsense to me.

I’m

just about in tears because I want to know what is causing all of this.

How can it NOT be Lyme? I have so many Lyme symptoms! Oh,

she does want me to get tested for Parvo. Yep, Parvo. She says my

symptoms sound like that to her. Just something else to rule in/out,

which is fine. I want to get to the bottom of this.

Don’t

get me wrong here… I know that finding the true cause may be futile.

Even if I found the true cause, my treatment won’t be much

different than what I’m doing now. I do salt/C, CS, some MMS

sometimes, and a whole host of supplements. So, I’m fixing

whatever is wrong regardless by giving my body what it needs. If I knew

I had some other specific issue, I’d just add what I needed to my

regimen.

Anyway,

just wanted to vent a bit. If anyone has some thoughts, I’d love

to hear them.

Thanks for

listening,

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is there a website like

find scio practitioner in your area?

i tried to google it and no luck

i'm in a well known area you'd think

there would be one.

any websites to find?

carol

>

>

>

> Subject: OT: doc follow up

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 9:24 AM

>

>

>

>

>

> So, I had my follow up with my ‘LLMD’ doc yesterday. I’m

still very frustrated. The first appt went pretty well and I was encouraged.

Not that I’m completely discouraged now, but definitely not as hopeful this

time.

>

>

>

> Not all of my labs were back, but there wasn’t much to say about

what was. My thyroid levels are quite odd †" all very low, despite the fact

that I take thyroid meds! They didn’t do the right tests, so it’s hard to

say what my Reverse T3 ratio is. But just using what they do have, it’s still

too high or at least borderline. She wants me to lower my dose of T3, which

I’m just not sure I want to do. I’ll be asking on my thyroid board what to

do about all of that!

>

>

>

> The only other thing with my labs was my Vit D levels were very low

†" low enough that she was concerned about it and told me to supplement. Of

course, we had the whole discussion about how much to take and they thought me

taking 5000 IU was too much. I haven’t taken any Vit D in about a month

because of that diet I was on †" no oils and the Vit D I take is in oil.

>

>

>

> My brain MRI with and without contrast was clear †" so no MS. Glad

to have that ruled out!

>

>

>

> The thyroid ultrasound showed a tiny (6mm x 4mm x 3mm) nodule and a

borderline enlarged thyroid. She was not even remotely concerned about it and

thought it was nothing to be worried about. But based on my family history (mom

had goiter, both aunts and mom had low thyroid, one of those aunts died of

thyroid cancer) she wants to do a scan just to see how my thyroid is functioning

and such. We’ll see how that goes. She is at least doing some research on

the Reverse T3 issue I have, so that’s good.

>

>

>

> The Igenex Western Blot was not back, but the Quest one was and of

course it was all negative. Before sh figured out it was the Quest one and had

‘ruled out’ Lyme, I mentioned STARI to her. She had never heard of it.

Shouldn’t a LLMD at least have heard of STARI? Maybe not, but it concerned me

that she hadn’t. But, not sure about Lyme yet…

>

>

>

> All in all I got some good info, but am still frustrated at some of

the things she said. I didn’t have the energy to dispute her, so I just

listened to her spill and went about my business. Ugh. The main thing that

bothered me was she said that diseases/health problems can be idiopathic (have

no known cause). I completely disagree with that. There is a reason my thyroid

doesn’t work right †" maybe it’s the nodule, maybe it’s an underlying

infection, maybe Lyme, maybe it’s bad genes… But there IS a reason. An

‘idiopathic’ disease is nonsense to me.

>

>

>

> I’m just about in tears because I want to know what is causing all

of this. How can it NOT be Lyme? I have so many Lyme symptoms! Oh, she does

want me to get tested for Parvo. Yep, Parvo. She says my symptoms sound like

that to her. Just something else to rule in/out, which is fine. I want to get

to the bottom of this.

>

>

>

> Don’t get me wrong here… I know that finding the true cause may

be futile. Even if I found the true cause, my treatment won’t be much

different than what I’m doing now. I do salt/C, CS, some MMS sometimes, and a

whole host of supplements. So, I’m fixing whatever is wrong regardless by

giving my body what it needs. If I knew I had some other specific issue, I’d

just add what I needed to my regimen.

>

>

>

> Anyway, just wanted to vent a bit. If anyone has some thoughts,

I’d love to hear them.

>

>

>

> Thanks for listening,

>

>

>

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find someone with a SCIO.

look into the hep b shot toxins !!

scar tissue can hold/block in toxins & bugs.

cipro can cause nerve problems.

a lot or rx meds used with/in birth problems can be very toxic.

abx can cause a lot of damage to the gut & brain as do vaccines.

most of this the dr. miss !! too

http://iansvoice.org/ianslife.aspx

http://vactruth.com/2009/08/03/vaccinations-are-causing-impaired-blood-flow-ischemia-chronic-illness-disease-and-death-for-us-all-hp/

http://vactruth.com/2009/06/26/dr-andrew-moulden-answers-to-autism-and-vaccine-damage/

http://vactruth.com/2009/07/21/dr-andrew-moulden-interview-what-you-were-never-told-about-vaccines/

roger

From: < vegasmomof3@ cox.net >Subject: OT: doc follow upTo: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comDate: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 9:24 AM

So, I had my follow up with my ‘LLMD’ doc yesterday. I’m still very frustrated. The first appt went pretty well and I was encouraged. Not that I’m completely discouraged now, but definitely not as hopeful this time.

Not all of my labs were back, but there wasn’t much to say about what was. My thyroid levels are quite odd – all very low, despite the fact that I take thyroid meds! They didn’t do the right tests, so it’s hard to say what my Reverse T3 ratio is. But just using what they do have, it’s still too high or at least borderline. She wants me to lower my dose of T3, which I’m just not sure I want to do. I’ll be asking on my thyroid board what to do about all of that! The only other thing with my labs was my Vit D levels were very low – low enough that she was concerned about it and told me to supplement. Of course, we had the whole discussion about how much to take and they thought me taking 5000 IU was too much. I haven’t taken any Vit D in about a month because of that diet I was on – no oils and the Vit D I take is in oil. My brain MRI with and without contrast was clear – so no MS. Glad to have that ruled out! The thyroid ultrasound showed a tiny (6mm x 4mm x 3mm) nodule and a borderline enlarged thyroid. She was not even remotely concerned about it and thought it was nothing to be worried about. But based on my family history (mom had goiter, both aunts and mom had low thyroid, one of those aunts died of thyroid cancer) she wants to do a scan just to see how my thyroid is functioning and such. We’ll see how that goes. She is at least doing some research on the Reverse T3 issue I have, so that’s good. The Igenex Western Blot was not back, but the Quest one was and of course it was all negative. Before sh figured out it was the Quest one and had ‘ruled out’ Lyme, I mentioned STARI to her. She had never heard of it. Shouldn’t a LLMD at least have heard of STARI? Maybe not, but it concerned me that she hadn’t. But, not sure about Lyme yet… All in all I got some good info, but am still frustrated at some of the things she said. I didn’t have the energy to dispute her, so I just listened to her spill and went about my business. Ugh. The main thing that bothered me was she said that diseases/health problems can be idiopathic (have no known cause). I completely disagree with that. There is a reason my thyroid doesn’t work right – maybe it’s the nodule, maybe it’s an underlying infection, maybe Lyme, maybe it’s bad genes… But there IS a reason. An ‘idiopathic’ disease is nonsense to me. I’m just about in tears because I want to know what is causing all of this. How can it NOT be Lyme? I have so many Lyme symptoms! Oh, she does want me to get tested for Parvo. Yep, Parvo. She says my symptoms sound like that to her. Just something else to rule in/out, which is fine. I want to get to the bottom of this. Don’t get me wrong here… I know that finding the true cause may be futile. Even if I found the true cause, my treatment won’t be much different than what I’m doing now. I do salt/C, CS, some MMS sometimes, and a whole host of supplements. So, I’m fixing whatever is wrong regardless by giving my body what it needs. If I knew I had some other specific issue, I’d just add what I needed to my regimen. Anyway, just wanted to vent a bit. If anyone has some thoughts, I’d love to hear them. Thanks for listening,

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Where do you live? I have a friend that is a SCIO practitioner in Minnesota and

she does do distanct work.

> >

> >

> > From: <vegasmomof3@>

> > Subject: OT: doc follow up

> > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 9:24 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > So, I had my follow up with my ‘LLMD’ doc yesterday. I’m

still very frustrated. The first appt went pretty well and I was encouraged.

Not that I’m completely discouraged now, but definitely not as hopeful this

time.

> >

> >

> >

> > Not all of my labs were back, but there wasn’t much to say about

what was. My thyroid levels are quite odd †" all very low, despite the fact

that I take thyroid meds! They didn’t do the right tests, so it’s hard to

say what my Reverse T3 ratio is. But just using what they do have, it’s still

too high or at least borderline. She wants me to lower my dose of T3, which

I’m just not sure I want to do. I’ll be asking on my thyroid board what to

do about all of that!

> >

> >

> >

> > The only other thing with my labs was my Vit D levels were very

low †" low enough that she was concerned about it and told me to supplement.

Of course, we had the whole discussion about how much to take and they thought

me taking 5000 IU was too much. I haven’t taken any Vit D in about a month

because of that diet I was on †" no oils and the Vit D I take is in oil.

> >

> >

> >

> > My brain MRI with and without contrast was clear †" so no MS.

Glad to have that ruled out!

> >

> >

> >

> > The thyroid ultrasound showed a tiny (6mm x 4mm x 3mm) nodule and

a borderline enlarged thyroid. She was not even remotely concerned about it and

thought it was nothing to be worried about. But based on my family history (mom

had goiter, both aunts and mom had low thyroid, one of those aunts died of

thyroid cancer) she wants to do a scan just to see how my thyroid is functioning

and such. We’ll see how that goes. She is at least doing some research on

the Reverse T3 issue I have, so that’s good.

> >

> >

> >

> > The Igenex Western Blot was not back, but the Quest one was and of

course it was all negative. Before sh figured out it was the Quest one and had

‘ruled out’ Lyme, I mentioned STARI to her. She had never heard of it.

Shouldn’t a LLMD at least have heard of STARI? Maybe not, but it concerned me

that she hadn’t. But, not sure about Lyme yet…

> >

> >

> >

> > All in all I got some good info, but am still frustrated at some

of the things she said. I didn’t have the energy to dispute her, so I just

listened to her spill and went about my business. Ugh. The main thing that

bothered me was she said that diseases/health problems can be idiopathic (have

no known cause). I completely disagree with that. There is a reason my thyroid

doesn’t work right †" maybe it’s the nodule, maybe it’s an underlying

infection, maybe Lyme, maybe it’s bad genes… But there IS a reason. An

‘idiopathic’ disease is nonsense to me.

> >

> >

> >

> > I’m just about in tears because I want to know what is causing

all of this. How can it NOT be Lyme? I have so many Lyme symptoms! Oh, she

does want me to get tested for Parvo. Yep, Parvo. She says my symptoms sound

like that to her. Just something else to rule in/out, which is fine. I want to

get to the bottom of this.

> >

> >

> >

> > Don’t get me wrong here… I know that finding the true cause

may be futile. Even if I found the true cause, my treatment won’t be much

different than what I’m doing now. I do salt/C, CS, some MMS sometimes, and a

whole host of supplements. So, I’m fixing whatever is wrong regardless by

giving my body what it needs. If I knew I had some other specific issue, I’d

just add what I needed to my regimen.

> >

> >

> >

> > Anyway, just wanted to vent a bit. If anyone has some thoughts,

I’d love to hear them.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks for listening,

> >

> >

> >

>

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, What city does your friend work in?

Thane

Subject: Re: gina- OT: doc follow upTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 8:14 PM

Where do you live? I have a friend that is a SCIO practitioner in Minnesota and she does do distanct work.> > > > > > From: <vegasmomof3@ >> > Subject: OT: doc follow up> > To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. com> > Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 9:24 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > So, I had my follow up with my ‘LLMD’ doc yesterday. I’m still very frustrated. The first appt went pretty well and I was encouraged. Not that I’m completely discouraged now, but definitely not as hopeful this time.> > > > > > > > Not all of my labs were back, but there wasn’t much to say about what was. My thyroid levels are quite odd â€" all very

low, despite the fact that I take thyroid meds! They didn’t do the right tests, so it’s hard to say what my Reverse T3 ratio is. But just using what they do have, it’s still too high or at least borderline. She wants me to lower my dose of T3, which I’m just not sure I want to do. I’ll be asking on my thyroid board what to do about all of that! > > > > > > > > The only other thing with my labs was my Vit D levels were very low â€" low enough that she was concerned about it and told me to supplement. Of course, we had the whole discussion about how much to take and they thought me taking 5000 IU was too much. I haven’t taken any Vit D in about a month because of that diet I was on â€" no oils and the Vit D I take is in oil. > > > > > > > > My brain MRI with and without contrast was clear â€" so no MS. Glad to have that ruled

out! > > > > > > > > The thyroid ultrasound showed a tiny (6mm x 4mm x 3mm) nodule and a borderline enlarged thyroid. She was not even remotely concerned about it and thought it was nothing to be worried about. But based on my family history (mom had goiter, both aunts and mom had low thyroid, one of those aunts died of thyroid cancer) she wants to do a scan just to see how my thyroid is functioning and such. We’ll see how that goes. She is at least doing some research on the Reverse T3 issue I have, so that’s good. > > > > > > > > The Igenex Western Blot was not back, but the Quest one was and of course it was all negative. Before sh figured out it was the Quest one and had ‘ruled out’ Lyme, I mentioned STARI to her. She had never heard of it. Shouldn’t a LLMD at least have heard of STARI? Maybe not, but it concerned me that she

hadn’t. But, not sure about Lyme yet… > > > > > > > > All in all I got some good info, but am still frustrated at some of the things she said. I didn’t have the energy to dispute her, so I just listened to her spill and went about my business. Ugh. The main thing that bothered me was she said that diseases/health problems can be idiopathic (have no known cause). I completely disagree with that. There is a reason my thyroid doesn’t work right â€" maybe it’s the nodule, maybe it’s an underlying infection, maybe Lyme, maybe it’s bad genes… But there IS a reason. An ‘idiopathic’ disease is nonsense to me. > > > > > > > > I’m just about in tears because I want to know what is causing all of this. How can it NOT be Lyme? I have so many Lyme symptoms! Oh, she does want me to get tested for Parvo. Yep,

Parvo. She says my symptoms sound like that to her. Just something else to rule in/out, which is fine. I want to get to the bottom of this. > > > > > > > > Don’t get me wrong here… I know that finding the true cause may be futile. Even if I found the true cause, my treatment won’t be much different than what I’m doing now. I do salt/C, CS, some MMS sometimes, and a whole host of supplements. So, I’m fixing whatever is wrong regardless by giving my body what it needs. If I knew I had some other specific issue, I’d just add what I needed to my regimen. > > > > > > > > Anyway, just wanted to vent a bit. If anyone has some thoughts, I’d love to hear them. > > > > > > > > Thanks for listening, > > > > >

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I’m in Las Vegas, NV.

 A bit of a drive to Minnesota!

 My understanding is I need to be ‘hooked up’ for at least a couple

of sessions to start, right?

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of sueblanton

Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009

6:14 PM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: Re: gina-

OT: doc follow up

Where do you live? I have a friend that is a SCIO

practitioner in Minnesota

and she does do distanct work.

> >

> >

> > From: <vegasmomof3@>

> > Subject: OT: doc follow up

> > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 9:24 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > So, I had my follow up with my ‘LLMD’ doc

yesterday. I’m still very frustrated. The first appt went pretty

well and I was encouraged. Not that I’m completely discouraged

now, but definitely not as hopeful this time.

> >

> >

> >

> > Not all of my labs were back, but there wasn’t much to

say about what was. My thyroid levels are quite odd †" all very

low, despite the fact that I take thyroid meds! They didn’t do

the right tests, so it’s hard to say what my Reverse T3 ratio is.

But just using what they do have, it’s still too high or at least

borderline. She wants me to lower my dose of T3, which I’m just

not sure I want to do. I’ll be asking on my thyroid board what to

do about all of that!

> >

> >

> >

> > The only other thing with my labs was my Vit D levels were very low

†" low enough that she was concerned about it and told me to

supplement. Of course, we had the whole discussion about how much to take and

they thought me taking 5000 IU was too much. I haven’t taken any

Vit D in about a month because of that diet I was on †" no oils and

the Vit D I take is in oil.

> >

> >

> >

> > My brain MRI with and without contrast was clear †" so no

MS. Glad to have that ruled out!

> >

> >

> >

> > The thyroid ultrasound showed a tiny (6mm x 4mm x 3mm) nodule and a

borderline enlarged thyroid. She was not even remotely concerned about it and

thought it was nothing to be worried about. But based on my family history (mom

had goiter, both aunts and mom had low thyroid, one of those aunts died of

thyroid cancer) she wants to do a scan just to see how my thyroid is

functioning and such. We’ll see how that goes. She is at least

doing some research on the Reverse T3 issue I have, so that’s

good.

> >

> >

> >

> > The Igenex Western Blot was not back, but the Quest one was and of

course it was all negative. Before sh figured out it was the Quest one and had

‘ruled out’ Lyme, I mentioned STARI to her. She had

never heard of it. Shouldn’t a LLMD at least have heard of STARI?

Maybe not, but it concerned me that she hadn’t. But, not sure

about Lyme yet…

> >

> >

> >

> > All in all I got some good info, but am still frustrated at some of

the things she said. I didn’t have the energy to dispute her, so

I just listened to her spill and went about my business. Ugh. The main thing

that bothered me was she said that diseases/health problems can be idiopathic

(have no known cause). I completely disagree with that. There is a reason my

thyroid doesn’t work right †" maybe

it’s the nodule, maybe it’s an underlying

infection, maybe Lyme, maybe it’s bad genes… But there IS

a reason. An ‘idiopathic’ disease is nonsense to me.

> >

> >

> >

> > I’m just about in tears because I want to know what is

causing all of this. How can it NOT be Lyme? I have so many Lyme symptoms! Oh,

she does want me to get tested for Parvo. Yep, Parvo. She says my symptoms

sound like that to her. Just something else to rule in/out, which is fine. I

want to get to the bottom of this.

> >

> >

> >

> > Don’t get me wrong here… I know that finding

the true cause may be futile. Even if I found the true cause, my treatment

won’t be much different than what I’m doing now. I

do salt/C, CS, some MMS sometimes, and a whole host of supplements. So,

I’m fixing whatever is wrong regardless by giving my body what it

needs. If I knew I had some other specific issue, I’d just add

what I needed to my regimen.

> >

> >

> >

> > Anyway, just wanted to vent a bit. If anyone has some thoughts,

I’d love to hear them.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks for listening,

> >

> >

> >

>

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A few questions…

I got the Heb B shot when I was 24. My

major symptoms started when I was 18 – actually when I was under 10 when

the symptoms started, but pain and ‘arthralgias’ by the time I was

18.

Got the scar when I was 29 – don’t

have other significant scars.

Didn’t have kids until I was 33 and

36. All this started WAY before them.

I did take lots of abx and psych meds, but

it was after all the symptoms started. I don’t remember taking a

bunch of stuff like that as a teenager. Well, I did take birth control

pills starting at 17 years old because of my horrible TOM’s – prior

to that I took Naproxen Sodium starting at 15 (when it was rx - which is what

Aleve is) for my horrible TOM cramps (I’d miss 1-2 days of school because

of it). But even before then, I had lots of symptoms – lack of

stamina (even at 13 years old), stiff muscles/not flexible even though I was an

‘athlete’ of sorts, some issues dealing with people/psych issues

(depression/anxiety).

Gonna look at the sites you sent and find

a SCIO pract in my area…

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of RRM

Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009

2:21 PM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: gina- OT:

doc follow up

find someone with a SCIO.

look into the hep b shot toxins !!

scar tissue can hold/block in toxins & bugs.

cipro can cause nerve problems.

a lot or rx meds used with/in birth problems can be

very toxic.

abx can cause a lot of damage to the gut & brain

as do vaccines.

most of this the dr. miss !! too

http://iansvoice.org/ianslife.aspx

http://vactruth.com/2009/08/03/vaccinations-are-causing-impaired-blood-flow-ischemia-chronic-illness-disease-and-death-for-us-all-hp/

http://vactruth.com/2009/06/26/dr-andrew-moulden-answers-to-autism-and-vaccine-damage/

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From: < vegasmomof3@ cox.net >

Subject: OT: doc follow up

To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 9:24 AM

So, I had my follow up with my ‘LLMD’ doc yesterday.

I’m still very frustrated. The first appt went pretty

well and I was encouraged. Not that I’m completely discouraged

now, but definitely not as hopeful this time.

Not all of my labs were back, but there wasn’t much to say

about what was. My thyroid levels are quite odd – all very low,

despite the fact that I take thyroid meds! They didn’t do the

right tests, so it’s hard to say what my Reverse T3 ratio is.

But just using what they do have, it’s still too high or at least

borderline. She wants me to lower my dose of T3, which I’m just

not sure I want to do. I’ll be asking on my thyroid board what

to do about all of that!

The only other thing with my labs was my Vit D levels were very low

– low enough that she was concerned about it and told me to

supplement. Of course, we had the whole discussion about how much to

take and they thought me taking 5000 IU was too much. I haven’t

taken any Vit D in about a month because of that diet I was on – no

oils and the Vit D I take is in oil.

My brain MRI with and without contrast was clear – so no MS.

Glad to have that ruled out!

The thyroid ultrasound showed a tiny (6mm x 4mm x 3mm) nodule and a

borderline enlarged thyroid. She was not even remotely concerned

about it and thought it was nothing to be worried about. But based on

my family history (mom had goiter, both aunts and mom had low thyroid, one

of those aunts died of thyroid cancer) she wants to do a scan just to see

how my thyroid is functioning and such. We’ll see how that

goes. She is at least doing some research on the Reverse T3 issue I

have, so that’s good.

The Igenex Western Blot was not back, but the Quest one was and of

course it was all negative. Before sh figured out it was the Quest

one and had ‘ruled out’ Lyme, I mentioned STARI to her.

She had never heard of it. Shouldn’t a LLMD at least have

heard of STARI? Maybe not, but it concerned me that she

hadn’t. But, not sure about Lyme yet…

All in all I got some good info, but am still frustrated at some of

the things she said. I didn’t have the energy to dispute her,

so I just listened to her spill and went about my business.

Ugh. The main thing that bothered me was she said that

diseases/health problems can be idiopathic (have no known cause). I

completely disagree with that. There is a reason my thyroid

doesn’t work right – maybe it’s the nodule, maybe

it’s an underlying infection, maybe Lyme, maybe it’s bad

genes… But there IS a reason. An ‘idiopathic’

disease is nonsense to me.

I’m just about in tears because I want to know what is causing

all of this. How can it NOT be Lyme? I have so many Lyme

symptoms! Oh, she does want me to get tested for Parvo. Yep,

Parvo. She says my symptoms sound like that to her. Just

something else to rule in/out, which is fine. I want to get to the

bottom of this.

Don’t get me wrong here… I know that finding the true

cause may be futile. Even if I found the true cause, my treatment

won’t be much different than what I’m doing now. I do

salt/C, CS, some MMS sometimes, and a whole host of supplements. So,

I’m fixing whatever is wrong regardless by giving my body what it

needs. If I knew I had some other specific issue, I’d just add

what I needed to my regimen.

Anyway, just wanted to vent a bit. If anyone has some

thoughts, I’d love to hear them.

Thanks for listening,

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Thanks for the info . I hadn't realized that scar tissue could

'hold/block in toxins & bugs'. This is good to know. I have a few large scars -

well they were very large but I have been taking Systemic Enzymes now for about

1 & 1/2 years and the scars are less then a third the size they were...but most

of them are still there so it is good to know that they 'help' the bugs to hide.

It sounds as if it is a good thing health wise to get rid of scars, and here I

thought it was only a 'vanity' thing wanting to get rid of scars.

blessings

Shan

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>

> From: < vegasmomof3@ cox.net >

> Subject: OT: doc follow up

> To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. com

> Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 9:24 AM

>

>  

>

> So, I had my follow up with my ‘LLMD’ doc yesterday.  I’m still very

frustrated.  The first appt went pretty well and I was encouraged.  Not that

I’m completely discouraged now, but definitely not as hopeful this time.

>  

> Not all of my labs were back, but there wasn’t much to say about what was.

 My thyroid levels are quite odd †" all very low, despite the fact that I take

thyroid meds!  They didn’t do the right tests, so it’s hard to say what my

Reverse T3 ratio is.  But just using what they do have, it’s still too high

or at least borderline.  She wants me to lower my dose of T3, which I’m just

not sure I want to do.  I’ll be asking on my thyroid board what to do about

all of that!

>  

> The only other thing with my labs was my Vit D levels were very low †" low

enough that she was concerned about it and told me to supplement.  Of course,

we had the whole discussion about how much to take and they thought me taking

5000 IU was too much.  I haven’t taken any Vit D in about a month because of

that diet I was on †" no oils and the Vit D I take is in oil.

>  

> My brain MRI with and without contrast was clear †" so no MS.  Glad to have

that ruled out!

>  

> The thyroid ultrasound showed a tiny (6mm x 4mm x 3mm) nodule and a borderline

enlarged thyroid.  She was not even remotely concerned about it and thought it

was nothing to be worried about.  But based on my family history (mom had

goiter, both aunts and mom had low thyroid, one of those aunts died of thyroid

cancer) she wants to do a scan just to see how my thyroid is functioning and

such.  We’ll see how that goes.  She is at least doing some research on the

Reverse T3 issue I have, so that’s good.

>  

> The Igenex Western Blot was not back, but the Quest one was and of course it

was all negative.  Before sh figured out it was the Quest one and had ‘ruled

out’ Lyme, I mentioned STARI to her.  She had never heard of it. 

Shouldn’t a LLMD at least have heard of STARI?  Maybe not, but it concerned

me that she hadn’t.  But, not sure about Lyme yet…

>  

> All in all I got some good info, but am still frustrated at some of the things

she said.  I didn’t have the energy to dispute her, so I just listened to her

spill and went about my business.  Ugh.  The main thing that bothered me was

she said that diseases/health problems can be idiopathic (have no known

cause).  I completely disagree with that.  There is a reason my thyroid

doesn’t work right †" maybe it’s the nodule, maybe it’s an underlying

infection, maybe Lyme, maybe it’s bad genes… But there IS a reason.  An

‘idiopathic’ disease is nonsense to me.

>  

> I’m just about in tears because I want to know what is causing all of this.

 How can it NOT be Lyme?  I have so many Lyme symptoms!  Oh, she does want me

to get tested for Parvo.  Yep, Parvo.  She says my symptoms sound like that to

her.  Just something else to rule in/out, which is fine.  I want to get to the

bottom of this.

>  

> Don’t get me wrong here… I know that finding the true cause may be futile.

 Even if I found the true cause, my treatment won’t be much different than

what I’m doing now.  I do salt/C, CS, some MMS sometimes, and a whole host of

supplements.  So, I’m fixing whatever is wrong regardless by giving my body

what it needs.  If I knew I had some other specific issue, I’d just add what

I needed to my regimen.

>  

> Anyway, just wanted to vent a bit.  If anyone has some thoughts, I’d love

to hear them.

>  

> Thanks for listening,

>

>  

>

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She is in International Falls Minnesota.

> > >

> > >

> > > From: <vegasmomof3@ >

> > > Subject: OT: doc follow up

> > > To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. com

> > > Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 9:24 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So, I had my follow up with my ‘LLMD’ doc yesterday.

I’m still very frustrated. The first appt went pretty well and I was

encouraged. Not that I’m completely discouraged now, but definitely not

as hopeful this time.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Not all of my labs were back, but there wasn’t much to say about

what was. My thyroid levels are quite odd †" all very low, despite the fact

that I take thyroid meds! They didn’t do the right tests, so it’s

hard to say what my Reverse T3 ratio is. But just using what they do have,

it’s still too high or at least borderline. She wants me to lower my dose

of T3, which I’m just not sure I want to do. I’ll be asking on my

thyroid board what to do about all of that!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The only other thing with my labs was my Vit D levels were very low †"

low enough that she was concerned about it and told me to supplement. Of course,

we had the whole discussion about how much to take and they thought me taking

5000 IU was too much. I haven’t taken any Vit D in about a month because

of that diet I was on †" no oils and the Vit D I take is in oil.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > My brain MRI with and without contrast was clear †" so no MS. Glad to

have that ruled out!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The thyroid ultrasound showed a tiny (6mm x 4mm x 3mm) nodule and a

borderline enlarged thyroid. She was not even remotely concerned about it and

thought it was nothing to be worried about. But based on my family history (mom

had goiter, both aunts and mom had low thyroid, one of those aunts died of

thyroid cancer) she wants to do a scan just to see how my thyroid is functioning

and such. We’ll see how that goes. She is at least doing some research on

the Reverse T3 issue I have, so that’s good.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The Igenex Western Blot was not back, but the Quest one was and of course

it was all negative. Before sh figured out it was the Quest one and had

‘ruled out’ Lyme, I mentioned STARI to her. She had never heard of

it. Shouldn’t a LLMD at least have heard of STARI? Maybe not, but it

concerned me that she hadn’t. But, not sure about Lyme yet…

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > All in all I got some good info, but am still frustrated at some of the

things she said. I didn’t have the energy to dispute her, so I just

listened to her spill and went about my business. Ugh. The main thing that

bothered me was she said that diseases/health problems can be idiopathic (have

no known cause). I completely disagree with that. There is a reason my thyroid

doesn’t work right †" maybe it’s the nodule, maybe it’s

an underlying infection, maybe Lyme, maybe it’s bad genes… But

there IS a reason. An ‘idiopathic’ disease is nonsense to me.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I’m just about in tears because I want to know what is causing all

of this. How can it NOT be Lyme? I have so many Lyme symptoms! Oh, she does want

me to get tested for Parvo. Yep, Parvo. She says my symptoms sound like that to

her. Just something else to rule in/out, which is fine. I want to get to the

bottom of this.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Don’t get me wrong here… I know that finding the true cause

may be futile. Even if I found the true cause, my treatment won’t be much

different than what I’m doing now. I do salt/C, CS, some MMS sometimes,

and a whole host of supplements. So, I’m fixing whatever is wrong

regardless by giving my body what it needs. If I knew I had some other specific

issue, I’d just add what I needed to my regimen.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Anyway, just wanted to vent a bit. If anyone has some thoughts, I’d

love to hear them.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks for listening,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Thanks ! Dont' think i'll get that far right now but if I get a chance later i'll try get some details from you.

Thane

Subject: Re: gina- OT: doc follow upTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 3:41 PM

She is in International Falls Minnesota.> > > > > > > > > From: <vegasmomof3@ >> > > Subject: OT: doc follow up> > > To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. com> > > Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 9:24 AM> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I had my follow up with my ‘LLMD’ doc yesterday. I’m still very frustrated. The first appt went pretty well and I was encouraged. Not that I’m completely discouraged now, but definitely not as hopeful this time.> > > > > > > > > > > > Not all of my labs were back, but there wasn’t much to say about what was. My thyroid levels are quite odd â€" all very low, despite the fact that I take thyroid meds! They didn’t do the right tests, so it’s hard to say what my Reverse T3 ratio is. But just using what they do have, it’s still too high or at least borderline. She wants me to lower my dose of T3, which I’m just not sure I want to do. I’ll be

asking on my thyroid board what to do about all of that! > > > > > > > > > > > > The only other thing with my labs was my Vit D levels were very low â€" low enough that she was concerned about it and told me to supplement. Of course, we had the whole discussion about how much to take and they thought me taking 5000 IU was too much. I haven’t taken any Vit D in about a month because of that diet I was on â€" no oils and the Vit D I take is in oil. > > > > > > > > > > > > My brain MRI with and without contrast was clear â€" so no MS. Glad to have that ruled out! > > > > > > > > > > > > The thyroid ultrasound showed a tiny (6mm x 4mm x 3mm) nodule and a borderline enlarged thyroid. She was not even remotely concerned about it and thought it was nothing to be

worried about. But based on my family history (mom had goiter, both aunts and mom had low thyroid, one of those aunts died of thyroid cancer) she wants to do a scan just to see how my thyroid is functioning and such. We’ll see how that goes. She is at least doing some research on the Reverse T3 issue I have, so that’s good. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Igenex Western Blot was not back, but the Quest one was and of course it was all negative. Before sh figured out it was the Quest one and had ‘ruled out’ Lyme, I mentioned STARI to her. She had never heard of it. Shouldn’t a LLMD at least have heard of STARI? Maybe not, but it concerned me that she hadn’t. But, not sure about Lyme yet… > > > > > > > > > > > > All in all I got some good info,

but am still frustrated at some of the things she said. I didn’t have the energy to dispute her, so I just listened to her spill and went about my business. Ugh. The main thing that bothered me was she said that diseases/health problems can be idiopathic (have no known cause). I completely disagree with that. There is a reason my thyroid doesn’t work right â€" maybe it’s the nodule, maybe it’s an underlying infection, maybe Lyme, maybe it’s bad genes… But there IS a reason. An ‘idiopathic’ disease is nonsense to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > I’m just about in tears because I want to know what is causing all of this. How can it NOT be Lyme? I have so many Lyme symptoms! Oh, she does want me to get tested for Parvo. Yep, Parvo. She says my symptoms

sound like that to her. Just something else to rule in/out, which is fine. I want to get to the bottom of this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Don’t get me wrong here… I know that finding the true cause may be futile. Even if I found the true cause, my treatment won’t be much different than what I’m doing now. I do salt/C, CS, some MMS sometimes, and a whole host of supplements. So, I’m fixing whatever is wrong regardless by giving my body what it needs. If I knew I had some other specific issue, I’d just add what I needed to my regimen. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, just wanted to vent a bit. If anyone has some thoughts, I’d love to hear them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for listening,

> > > > > > > > >> >>

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