Re: Knowlege

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Carol wrote:

" One more question, what is the reasoning behind the hemp oil? I looked

into it a little and found it was high in omega 6, so discarded the idea of

using it. "

Sorry it took me so long to respond, Carol. A friend & neighbour died on

Thursday, after a nine-month battle against cancer. I can't help but be

glad that she passed - it's impossible to hope that anyone will continue to

live with the level of pain she was experiencing.

So it's been interesting for me to read the posts re. the Gerson Inst. My

friemd was dx'ed with colon (primary site) cancer last August. The cancer

had spread to her lungs. At that time, she was experisencing only minimual

discomfort and shortness of breath following heavy exercise. Docs gave her

six months without treatment, up to a year with surgery + chemo.

They operated on her lungs, supposedly to ease her breathing - but that

operation left her dependent on supplemental oxygen 24/7 for the remainder

of her life and so short of breath that she gasped for air while simply

walking to the bathroom. Docs then operated to remove the primary cancer in

her colon - that surgery left her with a colostomy and the cancer rapidly

spread to her lymph nodes and brain. The steroids prescribed to shut down

her immune system (apparently to make chemotherapy more effective) made it

impossible for her to ever again visit her animals in the barn, as the risk

of infection was too great. Her first course of chemotherapy damaged her

heart and left her in congestive heart failure. By the time she died, the

only food she could keep down was Jello and even continuous intravenous

morphine could not fully control her pain.

In conrast, my aunt was dx'ed with the same lung & lymph system cancer and

given a similar prognosis. She refused allopathic treatment. She lived for

three more years and never took more than Tylenol 2 for pain. Another

friend dx'ed with bone cancer was given 6 months without allopathic

treatment, one year with radical surgery + chemo. He also refused and is

still alive today - six years post-diagnosis - using a regimen of healthy

food and lots of exercise.

Even my old dog was dx'ed with cancer and given the same prediction of six

months with radical surgery + chemo, one year without aggressive allopathic

treatment. I opted to simply bring him home and put him on a diet of raw

organic meat + antioxidants - and this spring marks the beginning of his

fifth year living with cancer...and he's still wagging & eating well &

insisting on doing nightly patrols with the young dogs...and the only pain

meds I give him are for his arthritis. imo old age (he's a thirteen-year

old German Shepherd mix) will take him before the cancer does.

I don't believe that cancer is an automatic death sentence. I think that

with the support of good nutrition and a positive attitude, our immune

systems possess the ability to deal with cancer. I am not against the

Gerson treatment, tho' I tend to somewhat agree with Jock, in that I think

it is often possible to implement such treatment on your own, at much less

expense.

Re hemp oil, Udo Erasmus ( " Fats That Heal, Fats that Kill " ) believed it to

be the best balanced of the essential fatty acids. It doesn't seem to have

any negative effect on me and I enjoy the taste (I use it mixed with plain

yoghourt, lemon juice & minced garlic, as a daily salad oil).

My bottom line. The best treatment for any disease is the treatment which

makes sense to *you*, the treatment *you* believe in and the treatment with

which *you* get positive results.

F

Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and

looks like work.

Edison

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My bottom line. The best treatment for any disease is the treatment which

makes sense to *you*, the treatment *you* believe in and the treatment with

which *you* get positive results.

F

I agree with you. My only problem with that, is that results - good or bad - sometimes take years to show, and you could be doing the wrong thing for all that time and not know it. That's the only reason I do so much research and try to put all of it together in a scientific manner. For instance, none of my food allergies produced symptoms that I could notice, and if I hadn't had an ELISA test, I would have gone on eating those foods feeling fine, but getting worse MS-wise.

Carol

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exactly right

that will work the best for each of you.

i agree.

subi

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> > My bottom line. The best treatment for any disease is the treatment

>which

> > makes sense to *you*, the treatment *you* believe in and the treatment

>with

> > which *you* get positive results.

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> > F

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>I agree with you. My only problem with that, is that results - good or bad

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>sometimes take years to show, and you could be doing the wrong thing for

>all

>that time and not know it. That's the only reason I do so much research

>and

>try to put all of it together in a scientific manner. For instance, none

>of

>my food allergies produced symptoms that I could notice, and if I hadn't

>had

>an ELISA test, I would have gone on eating those foods feeling fine, but

>getting worse MS-wise.

>Carol

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Carol wrote:

" I agree with you. My only problem with that, is that results - good or bad -

sometimes take years to show, and you could be doing the wrong thing for all

that time and not know it. That's the only reason I do so much research and

try to put all of it together in a scientific manner. For instance, none of

my food allergies produced symptoms that I could notice, and if I hadn't had

an ELISA test, I would have gone on eating those foods feeling fine, but

getting worse MS-wise. "

Carol, imo research is always an excellent idea - it's the only way to make

an informed decision. And if I hadn't read about alternatives to allopathic

drugs on discussion groups, I have to wonder whether I'd be feeling this

good now.

I started trying various supplements, then various diets in '94 - and only

found the right combination for me around late 97'/early 98'. (vbg) and

back in '94, most folks thought I'd taken complete leave of my senses in

choosing a nutritional approach to management of MS. " Placebo effect! " they

scoffed. " Your MS was benign to begin with " they opined. " You're risking

brain atrophy! " they warned.

" -) Oh, well. Life's a gamble - 'ya pays 'yer money, 'ya takes 'yer chances.

I think it was a good idea for you to use ELISA. For me, I think the

results could be misleading. Eg if I tested allergic to beef, is that

standard store-bought beef? which includes all things which go into

store-bought beef such as antibiotics, steroids,

pesticides/herbicides/fungicides in the grains fed to cattle, worming

medications and mercury/aluminum etc in the many vaccines given to cattle?

The home-raised beef I eat contains none of those things. (I wrote to an

ELISA lab years ago to ask that question, but never got a straight answer.)

F

Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and

looks like work.

Edison

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I started trying various supplements, then various diets in '94 - and only

found the right combination for me around late 97'/early 98'. (vbg) and

back in '94, most folks thought I'd taken complete leave of my senses in

choosing a nutritional approach to management of MS. "Placebo effect!" they

scoffed. "Your MS was benign to begin with" they opined. "You're risking

brain atrophy!" they warned.

"-) Oh, well. Life's a gamble - 'ya pays 'yer money, 'ya takes 'yer chances.

I think it was a good idea for you to use ELISA. For me, I think the

results could be misleading. Eg if I tested allergic to beef, is that

standard store-bought beef? which includes all things which go into

store-bought beef such as antibiotics, steroids,

pesticides/herbicides/fungicides in the grains fed to cattle, worming

medications and mercury/aluminum etc in the many vaccines given to cattle?

The home-raised beef I eat contains none of those things. (I wrote to an

ELISA lab years ago to ask that question, but never got a straight answer.)

F

I know what you mean, but I don't eat any regular store bought meat and I don't eat beef anyway, because I'm on the Best Bet Diet. It was pretty easy for me, because of what I was allergic too - all the things my diet doesn't allow anyway - dairy, eggs, honey, rye. The Best Bet Diet allows honey and mushroom, but not the candida diet, and I'm mildly allergic to the two of those. Odd, I think - makes me wonder a little.

Your story sounds so much like mine it's amazing. I started all this in '94 also! And got the same comments you did about using diet etc. Only diff. is, I was pretty set on my diet in the later part of '96.

Carol

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Can you tell me more about the paleo diet?

It's basically just veggies, fruits, nuts, meat - things that were available to paleolithic man - hunter/gatherer food. No more modern foods or grains.

Carol

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Can you tell me more about the paleo diet?

Re: Knowlege

Lifestyle and diet are exactly as Embry Ashton says. They are "the best bet" to explain MS. And they are within our ability to control. Since each of us is a wee bit different, not everything works for all. So we compare notes. Here's what works for me.

I'm primary progressive. I'm 57. Diagnosed 9 years ago. Holding at 3.0 EDSS. A fan of diet and attitude. It took me a year to get on the train and by that time I'd arrived at 2.0 EDSS.

There have been 4 large changes I have made that have noticeably helped and together have held things in check.

First was Dr. Swank and his "MS Diet Book". Principle idea is eat less than 20 grams fat/day - fat defined as what goes solid in fridge. (so olive oil is not fat, but oil). Most excellent and longstanding work. Mainline medical and amply published though ignored by his profession.

Second was Dr. Linus ing and megavitamins. And from there general vitamin, mineral and herb supplements. Most especially Vitamin C. I take 20 grams/day. When I started it was necessary to take 60 grams a day! I like what ing said - that vitamins are not medicine, they are food. It's just that modern food doesn't have them anymore. So we suceptibles suffer. (Some wags have noticed that MSers are just folks that evolution is weeding out since our systems have not evolved from ancient food and environment to modern ones!)

Third was getting rid of my teeth. I had not just 10 fillings, but half my mouth was amalgam and after 30 years, half of the mercury was no longer there! I read Dr. Hal Huggins book "It's all in your head" and was persuaded. Also some level headed research in Scandanavia. But I dallied for 2 years trying to get dentists to cooperate and getting overhaul estimates $6000 to $18000 because they all insisted I needed my own teeth - even remnants! Finally I started talking to denturists and found the dentists had a slanted view and were telling little lies about how bad it was not to have your own teeth. The persuasive argument was realizing I could not afford dentists in retirement in 10 years. So I had them out and had false teeth made. Only $2500 and insurance paid it. Wow. It made a remarkable difference to my energy. When the teeth came out a low level infection in my mouth and gums also went away. In consequence my vitamin C requirement dropped within days to 40 grams/day. Annoyed I waited so long. It was rather funny for a year getting used to them, but I can eat apples now, and still sing in the choir. Getting rid of the mercury in my teeth was a big deal for me.

Lastly, I self-catheterize. I found out I had a 50% constant bladder retention and in conseequence, a more or less constant low level bladder infection. (stats say most MS patients have bladder problems of some degree. If you have mobility issues, you likely will have bladder issues since both sets of nerves come out the spine bottom. Without that last infection, my Vit C dropped to the present 20 gr/day. And again I feel lot's better.

Next Step. So many people are getting positive results on the Paleo Diet (after a 2 year plus wait for results) that I am planning on going that last mile. McDougall was the first here. He cured himself, not content with stasis.

These things have made such a difference, and have given me such a confidence in managing my circumstances rather than becoming a medical victim, that I have little interest in drugs with their cost both in money and body assault. The best I might have hoped for with drugs wouldn't be worth the price in money and side effects. With doing what I can do, I have stalled the progress of the beast quite effectively for 8 years. 6 years ago we bought a duplex that would be wheel chair friendly, expecting that that was just ahead. Now I'm thinking I might not need a chair at all. I wonder if roller blades might ease my sore feet from walking though!

Living healthy is a very good thing anyway. Lots of benefits. Not only does health add to quality of life, but a healthy body is best able to withstand whatever disease we may have. There is no cure for this MS, but there is healing.

If any ask, I'll post links.

That's my bit.

Jock

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Can you tell me more about the paleo diet?

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Great book to read is called NEANDERTHIN. You can also go to the web site.

or if you type in paleo nutrition on a google search there is lots of stuff about it.

i don't eat the meat on the diet but i think he has some good points, although i just seen on TV were they have discovered that the Neanderthals donot have the same DNA as we do.

gwen

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It's basically just veggies, fruits, nuts, meat - things that were available

And lean meats, preferably wild.

Gwen