RE: When indoor workers feel helpless:

[Guest guest]

Surgical masks are meant to Protect the Patient From the Doctor in the form of

large aerosols.

They are horrible for smaller particles, incuding bacteria.

See 1 source of data attached*

*[Havics, A: September 22 & 29, 2003; “Annual Eight-Hour HAZWOPER Refresher

Training for Centers for Disease Control (CDC) National Center for Infectious

Diseases (NCID) Bioterrorism Preparedness & Response Programâ€, September 22 &

29, 2003, Atlanta, GA. (This is a secondary source (me), Primary source

withheld)]

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RE: Re: When indoor workers feel helpless:

A surgical masks does not filter out odour or dusts. It seems more likely that

you are reacting to the smell rather than the actual substance since the

essentials oils are only masking the odour and are doing nothing to absorb the

chemicals. You are surely being exposed whether or not you are wearing the

mask.

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They are designed to protect the patient from the member of staff. Most surgical masks (in the UK and probably in other countries) do not fit tightly around the face, the incoming air will find the path of least resistance and enter through the gaps round the face. In exhalation the breath is directed through the paper of the mask.

Ian M Dale

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Glasgow Occupational Health

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RE: Re: When indoor workers feel helpless:

A surgical masks does not filter out odour or dusts. It seems more likely

that you are reacting to the smell rather than the actual substance since

the essentials oils are only masking the odour and are doing nothing to

absorb the chemicals. You are surely being exposed whether or not you are

wearing the mask.

[Guest guest]

Ian

As an aerodynamicist by training let me quibble: 'most' of the exhalation of breath is ....

If you watch the mask on a doctor or nurse you will notice that it inflates slightly (OK) but also moves slightly away from their face in spots (guess who has been in hospital way too much recently?).

Jim H. White SSAL

RE: Re: When indoor workers feel helpless:

A surgical masks does not filter out odour or dusts. It seems more likely that you are reacting to the smell rather than the actual substance since the essentials oils are only masking the odour and are doing nothing to absorb the chemicals. You are surely being exposed whether or not you are wearing the mask.

[Guest guest]

Jim,

I said that most surgical masks do not fit tightly around the face. During exhalation it is likely that the force of the breath will move the mask away from the face - I suppose it is assumed that the aerosol particles and micro-organisms are trapped by the mask. In the UK most surgical masks are flat paper with ties and not like respirator masks. Even moulded respirators can move away from the face under exhalation since they are designed to be pulled against the skin during inhalation; some masks have an exhalation valve to help to reduce this effect and also to make it more comfortable in use.

Ian M Dale Occupational hygienist Glasgow Occupational Health Tel: 0 Fax: 0 e-mail: ian.dale@...

-----Original Message-----From: Jim H. White Sent: 11 August 2005 16:17To: iequality Subject: Re: When indoor workers feel helpless:

Ian

As an aerodynamicist by training let me quibble: 'most' of the exhalation of breath is ....

If you watch the mask on a doctor or nurse you will notice that it inflates slightly (OK) but also moves slightly away from their face in spots (guess who has been in hospital way too much recently?).

Jim H. White SSAL

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Shell:

Thank you so much for being so open and interested in our combined work and

potential work together. I look forward to finding opportunities to do just

that! Thank you for the generous lunch - for me it is always a treat and I

learned a lot also. If you come across case law or decisions you think I

ought to read in the environmental law area, please forward them on to me

so I can continue to learn and grow in this field.

PS: Is the quote obnoxious?

Respectfully,

Makris

Makris, DC, MSEL

Chiropractic Physician

Environmental Health and Law Consultations

Sustainable Indoor Environments and Indoor Air Quality Consultations

Supreme Court Justice Scalia:

This case, involving legal requirements for the content and labeling

of meat products such as frankfurters, affords a rare opportunity to

explore simultaneously both parts of Bismark's aphorism that

" No man should see how laws or sausages are made. "

> [Original Message]

>

> To: <iequality >

> Date: 8/7/2005 11:39:19 AM

> Subject: Re: Re: When indoor workers feel helpless:

>

> Many disciplines can be Daubert approved. MD certainly helps if on medical

> issues. An expert can be just a consulting expert, but I would be hesitant

> in most cases to start with an expert who couldn't testify because of

> inefficiencies involved if as the case progresses I find I need the expert

> to testify. Anyway, I'll look at your CV and keep you in mind. Why don't

we

> have lunch some time and get to know what each other does better? Either

> Chicago or Barrington areas would be fine.

>

> Shell J. Bleiweiss

> Environmental and OSHA Law

> Chicago and Barrington Illinois Offices

>

> www.shell-bleiweiss.com

> Re: When indoor workers feel helpless:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tom,

> > > > > > > So glad you asked about the x-ray room: it does not vent to

the

> > out

> > > > > > > of doors. It goes directly into the entire building's duct

> > system.

> > > > > > > The building manager will not answer our questions about how

> > > directly

> > > > > > > our ducts are connected to theirs and if the rebalancing in

> March

> > > > > > > made that connection MUCH closer, causing the sudden upsurge

in

> > the

> > > > > > > acrid solvent chemical odor. Neither will the powers that be

> > > > > > > investigate exactly what developer or fixative they use. I

> > suspect

> > > > > > > glutaraldehyde. Sulfur dioxide? Well, they have done

something

> > to

> > > > > > > decrease the odor.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I filed a Dept of Labor and Industries Claim for frequent

> migraine

> > > > > > > headaches occurring 5-7 days out of 7. I never took a

migraine

> > > > > > > medication prior to working in this office. Presently I take

3

> > > > > > > routine meds and have 3 emergency meds for migraines. The

> nausea

> > is

> > > > > > > a problem as well. And of course I had a recent bout of

> > pneumonia -

> > > > > > > and I'm a very healthy woman. (Where would the pneumonia come

> > > > > > > from?) The doctor recommended to L & I that they investigate

> the

> > x-

> > > > > > > ray room chemicals - which they didn't do. I wonder if either

> of

> > > > > > > these chemicals would account for some of us having severely

> > > > > > > decreased ability to sense odor.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any suggestions on how to get someone to properly vent an

x-ray

> > > > > > > room?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Blessings,

> > > > > > > Starr Connelly

> > > > > > > Social Worker 3

> > > > > > > Home and Community Services, DSHS

> > > > > > > Lynnwood, Washington

> > > > > > > Starr.connelly@...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Starr (and list mates):

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One thing in your posting especially caught my attention.

You

> > > said

> > > > > > > > there was a X-ray room beneath you in your building. I

worked

> > as

> > > > > > > an expert witness on a case in which the X-ray developing

> machine

> > > was

> > > > > > > > improperly vented

> > > > > > > > Dr. M. Dydek, Ph.D., D.A.B.T., P.E.

> > > > > > > > Chemical Toxicologist and Engineer

> > > > > > > > Dydek Toxicology Consulting

> > > > > > > > 6013 Cervinus Run

> > > > > > > > Austin, Texas 78735

> > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

I enjoyed meeting you too. I can't believe you still want to work in City

Hall given everything that is happening there. I like the quote!

Shell J. Bleiweiss

Environmental and OSHA Law

Chicago and Barrington Illinois Offices

www.shell-bleiweiss.com

Re: When indoor workers feel helpless:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tom,

> > > > > > > > So glad you asked about the x-ray room: it does not vent to

> the

> > > out

> > > > > > > > of doors. It goes directly into the entire building's duct

> > > system.

> > > > > > > > The building manager will not answer our questions about how

> > > > directly

> > > > > > > > our ducts are connected to theirs and if the rebalancing in

> > March

> > > > > > > > made that connection MUCH closer, causing the sudden upsurge

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > acrid solvent chemical odor. Neither will the powers that

be

> > > > > > > > investigate exactly what developer or fixative they use. I

> > > suspect

> > > > > > > > glutaraldehyde. Sulfur dioxide? Well, they have done

> something

> > > to

> > > > > > > > decrease the odor.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I filed a Dept of Labor and Industries Claim for frequent

> > migraine

> > > > > > > > headaches occurring 5-7 days out of 7. I never took a

> migraine

> > > > > > > > medication prior to working in this office. Presently I

take

> 3

> > > > > > > > routine meds and have 3 emergency meds for migraines. The

> > nausea

> > > is

> > > > > > > > a problem as well. And of course I had a recent bout of

> > > pneumonia -

> > > > > > > > and I'm a very healthy woman. (Where would the pneumonia

come

> > > > > > > > from?) The doctor recommended to L & I that they

investigate

> > the

> > > x-

> > > > > > > > ray room chemicals - which they didn't do. I wonder if

either

> > of

> > > > > > > > these chemicals would account for some of us having severely

> > > > > > > > decreased ability to sense odor.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Any suggestions on how to get someone to properly vent an

> x-ray

> > > > > > > > room?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Blessings,

> > > > > > > > Starr Connelly

> > > > > > > > Social Worker 3

> > > > > > > > Home and Community Services, DSHS

> > > > > > > > Lynnwood, Washington

> > > > > > > > Starr.connelly@...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Starr (and list mates):

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > One thing in your posting especially caught my attention.

> You

> > > > said

> > > > > > > > > there was a X-ray room beneath you in your building. I

> worked

> > > as

> > > > > > > > an expert witness on a case in which the X-ray developing

> > machine

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > > improperly vented

> > > > > > > > > Dr. M. Dydek, Ph.D., D.A.B.T., P.E.

> > > > > > > > > Chemical Toxicologist and Engineer

> > > > > > > > > Dydek Toxicology Consulting

> > > > > > > > > 6013 Cervinus Run

> > > > > > > > > Austin, Texas 78735

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Web Site: www.tox-expert.com

> > > > > > > > > Office Phone:

> > > > > > > > > Office FAX:

> > > > > > > > > Mobile Phone:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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