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Marilyn

How old is now? Just a thought but maybe Bob draws attention to

things that does not want. Maybe he feels gymnastics is just for

him. It sounds kind of complicated to me so I am sure there could be many

issues. Another may be that doesn't find Bob to be as helpful as you

have and doesn't see the need to treat him as such. Have you asked your son

privately about his feelings?

Good luck

Lynne

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>Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 01:13:41 -0000

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>Hello, I hope everyone had a good New Years. My son had become very

>attached to a councelor at his day camp two summers ago. As it turns

>out this young man is in college and going to be a special ed

>teacher. He picked up on right away and went out of his way

>to learn more about OCD and help out anyway he could. Basically he

>has become like another family member. In September joined

>gymnastics. He is doing really well with it but yet it is his new

>obsession. Now he has become very agitated with Bob (the young man)

>he won't talk to him on line, if he stops by to vist just

>basically ignores him. says he is anoying him. We have always

>taught both our kids that you need to treat people with kindess. And

>that we are upset to see him behaving like this especially to

>someone who has been just such a big help to him and us all this

>time. We asked if something had happened and he says no. Bob is very

>upset about all this as well. Have any of you had your child just

>all of a sudden react this way to a friend? Can it be just a typical

>OCD thing and that gymnastics has become the only thing he can focus

>on now? We are going to FLorida in April and yes Bob is going to.We

>haven't got the tickets yet but do have the place already. We don't

>know what to do about it because as you know this could be the trip

>from you know what if continues this behavior!

>Sorry so long! Marilyn in PA

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Hi Marilyn,

As I read your post, a little alarm went off in my head. Maybe this is not

an issue but I think it's important to at least raise the question and rule

it out. Bob sounds like a nice guy but it is rather unusual that a person

his age would become so attached to a young child and his family. I'm a

clinical social worker who has worked with many sexually abused children.

The scenario that you describe with Bob becoming a member of the family,

going on family vacations, etc. is one that is, unfortunately, very

familiar to me. Some things to think about... Does Bob have meaningful

relationships with his peers? Is he dating anyone? If no, I would be

concerned about this. Has he spent time alone with in the past and

now is reluctant to be with him but won't say why? I would be

concerned about this too. I can't remember right now how old is but

this can be an issue at any age. Have you ever talked with about the

fact that it's not OK for an older person to touch him in ways that feel

uncomfortable and to tell you if this were ever to happen? I don't mean to

be alarmist and I hope that I'm wrong but I do think it's important to

consider the possibilty.

Maybe Bob is just a nice guy who has no ill intentions. Is he in college

some distance from his family and has, perhaps, simply adopted yours? All

of that said, sometimes kids with OCD get weird ideas about a particular

person being " contaminated " or some such thing so that's always a possibilty

too.

Kathy

on 1/2/04 8:13 PM, Marilyn at prschool4me@... wrote:

> Hello, I hope everyone had a good New Years. My son had become very

> attached to a councelor at his day camp two summers ago. As it turns

> out this young man is in college and going to be a special ed

> teacher. He picked up on right away and went out of his way

> to learn more about OCD and help out anyway he could. Basically he

> has become like another family member. In September joined

> gymnastics. He is doing really well with it but yet it is his new

> obsession. Now he has become very agitated with Bob (the young man)

> he won't talk to him on line, if he stops by to vist just

> basically ignores him. says he is anoying him. We have always

> taught both our kids that you need to treat people with kindess. And

> that we are upset to see him behaving like this especially to

> someone who has been just such a big help to him and us all this

> time. We asked if something had happened and he says no. Bob is very

> upset about all this as well. Have any of you had your child just

> all of a sudden react this way to a friend? Can it be just a typical

> OCD thing and that gymnastics has become the only thing he can focus

> on now? We are going to FLorida in April and yes Bob is going to.We

> haven't got the tickets yet but do have the place already. We don't

> know what to do about it because as you know this could be the trip

> from you know what if continues this behavior!

> Sorry so long! Marilyn in PA

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Alas, I have to agree that this is a possibility. When my son was about 10

y.o., a dear family friend from church, a married man about 65 y.o., invited him

to a symphony orchestra concert. The friend was always particularly fond of my

son, and my son was an excellent violinist who played in a regional youth

orchestra, so I was all in favor of it. However, as the time drew near for the

friend to pick him up, my son became increasingly agitated, then tearful, saying

he didn't want to go. He said he felt like he was going to throw up. I forced

him to go, but he behaved fearfully the entire time, according to our friend.

Later in therapy, my son revealed that he had been fondled by an elderly

pedophile at the mall, an oriental man who did amazing paper cutting art. He

showed an interest in my son while we were shopping there and offered to teach

him the paper cutting art when the store closed. He took my son into the store

but didn't want me to come in (should have sent off alarm bells), but I could

see both of their heads while he was there. Turrns out the guy was into feet,

and made my son take off his shoes and touched him inappropriately. My son

never told me that (his therapist did), but it caused a fear of elderly men.

Thank God it wasn't our family friend, but it could have been.

You never expect your male children to be vulnerable to sexual abuse, but they

certainly are. Doesn't mean Bob is not legit, but you must be vigilant.

Judy

Re: My Son

Hi Marilyn,

As I read your post, a little alarm went off in my head. Maybe this is not

an issue but I think it's important to at least raise the question and rule

it out. Bob sounds like a nice guy but it is rather unusual that a person

his age would become so attached to a young child and his family. I'm a

clinical social worker who has worked with many sexually abused children.

The scenario that you describe with Bob becoming a member of the family,

going on family vacations, etc. is one that is, unfortunately, very

familiar to me. Some things to think about... Does Bob have meaningful

relationships with his peers? Is he dating anyone? If no, I would be

concerned about this. Has he spent time alone with in the past and

now is reluctant to be with him but won't say why? I would be

concerned about this too. I can't remember right now how old is but

this can be an issue at any age. Have you ever talked with about the

fact that it's not OK for an older person to touch him in ways that feel

uncomfortable and to tell you if this were ever to happen? I don't mean to

be alarmist and I hope that I'm wrong but I do think it's important to

consider the possibilty.

Maybe Bob is just a nice guy who has no ill intentions. Is he in college

some distance from his family and has, perhaps, simply adopted yours? All

of that said, sometimes kids with OCD get weird ideas about a particular

person being " contaminated " or some such thing so that's always a possibilty

too.

Kathy

on 1/2/04 8:13 PM, Marilyn at prschool4me@... wrote:

> Hello, I hope everyone had a good New Years. My son had become very

> attached to a councelor at his day camp two summers ago. As it turns

> out this young man is in college and going to be a special ed

> teacher. He picked up on right away and went out of his way

> to learn more about OCD and help out anyway he could. Basically he

> has become like another family member. In September joined

> gymnastics. He is doing really well with it but yet it is his new

> obsession. Now he has become very agitated with Bob (the young man)

> he won't talk to him on line, if he stops by to vist just

> basically ignores him. says he is anoying him. We have always

> taught both our kids that you need to treat people with kindess. And

> that we are upset to see him behaving like this especially to

> someone who has been just such a big help to him and us all this

> time. We asked if something had happened and he says no. Bob is very

> upset about all this as well. Have any of you had your child just

> all of a sudden react this way to a friend? Can it be just a typical

> OCD thing and that gymnastics has become the only thing he can focus

> on now? We are going to FLorida in April and yes Bob is going to.We

> haven't got the tickets yet but do have the place already. We don't

> know what to do about it because as you know this could be the trip

> from you know what if continues this behavior!

> Sorry so long! Marilyn in PA

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Hi Marilyn, yes my daughter has suddenly wished to avoid certain people

(pdoc, grandparents, " bad " boys in her classroom) due to them triggering OCD

obsessions.

Unfortunately though my first thought when reading your post is that Bob has

been inappropriate in some way with your son. I am thinking possibly

sexually. It is unusual for a college-age man to insinuate himself into

your family to this degree, there are IMO red flags all over this situation.

Most people who work with children, especially those who are trained as camp

counselors and who plan careers in education, are very aware of the

importance of not crossing boundaries, and avoiding even the *appearance* of

an inappropriate situation. I think Bob is showing poor judgment, at the

least.

It is possible that OCD is behind your son's current reaction to Bob.

Depending on your son's issues, it could be that Bob is now " contaminated "

or there is something else about him that is triggering your son's OCD and

so he wants to avoid him. Even if Bob has not been inappropriate in any

way, he may be triggering homosexual obsessions in your son for example.

These types of obsessive worries are pretty common.

This situation is obviously difficult for your son to speak plainly about.

Even if " nothing's happened " and it's " only " an OCD problem, your son may be

highly embarrassed to discuss senseless feelings about a person that his

parents highly esteem. Many kids are reluctant to discuss their OCD no

matter the content.

Also, if Bob has been inappropriate with your son, your son may be feeling

guilty since he was the one who originally pursued a relationship with Bob

at camp.

You don't ask, but if this were my child, I would not be forcing a

relationship with Bob or planning on vacationing together. I think you

should take your son's sudden reluctance to interact with Bob seriously. If

Bob is as understanding of OCD as you say, he will understand the irrational

nature of the disorder and the fact that a flare can affect friendships, tra

vel plans and all aspects of life.

Take care,

Kathy R. in Indiana

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> Hello, I hope everyone had a good New Years. My son had become very

> attached to a councelor at his day camp two summers ago. As it turns

> out this young man is in college and going to be a special ed

> teacher. He picked up on right away and went out of his way

> to learn more about OCD and help out anyway he could. Basically he

> has become like another family member. In September joined

> gymnastics. He is doing really well with it but yet it is his new

> obsession. Now he has become very agitated with Bob (the young man)

> he won't talk to him on line, if he stops by to vist just

> basically ignores him. says he is anoying him. We have always

> taught both our kids that you need to treat people with kindess. And

> that we are upset to see him behaving like this especially to

> someone who has been just such a big help to him and us all this

> time. We asked if something had happened and he says no. Bob is very

> upset about all this as well. Have any of you had your child just

> all of a sudden react this way to a friend? Can it be just a typical

> OCD thing and that gymnastics has become the only thing he can focus

> on now? We are going to FLorida in April and yes Bob is going to.We

> haven't got the tickets yet but do have the place already. We don't

> know what to do about it because as you know this could be the trip

> from you know what if continues this behavior!

> Sorry so long! Marilyn in PA

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